Is crossdressing a sin?

blue_ladybug · May 31, 2017

You assume alot, don't you? I don't think everyone who disagrees with me is malicious.. But you wrote something that he posted, and twisted it entirely..

This right here in red, is what you said that he said:

Originally Posted by Clementine13

What you quoted, That is gross what was just typed. "I refuse to help a young person understand God unless they find Him themselves. Goodbye"
That is just straight up sick..

When what he ACTUALLY SAID is right here:

Quote by NNM: "lol

when you accept Gods word as Gods word ill speak to you

but for now

im not going to have a silly discussion about learning from a sinful world instead of Gods word"

Clementine13 said:

Nowhere at all, did he say that he would refuse to help you unless you found God yourself..

Demi777 · May 31, 2017

I cant believe this topic still goes on and on like a tapeworm. How hard is it to just understand ''Yes, its a sin"
whats next? people questioning not being allowed to cheat?
God says no jeeez

kaylagrl · May 31, 2017

Clementine13 said:

Yes,we do know Gods word through Him,but that doesn't mean we cant trust pastors or Sunday school teachers,saints older in the faith than we are to expound on Gods Word. I dont think you'd disagree with that.

slave · May 31, 2017

NoNameMcgee said:

We are not better but we are different. We are dead to the world, and alive unto Christ. This person started this thread years ago (2014), but the battle for the mind rages on doesn't it?

After all the changes that took place during the 1970s, a large group was left without a word to describe themselves: heterosexual males who wear traditionally feminine clothing. This group was not particularly happy with the term "transvestism", and therefore took on the term "cross-dresser". Cross-dressers are men who wear female clothing and often both admire and imitate women, but self-identify as different from both gay men and transsexuals, and generally deny having fetishistic intentions.

In some cultures, "transvestism" is practiced for religious, traditional or ceremonial reasons. For example, in India some male devotees of the Hindu god Krishna, especially in Mathura and Vrindavan, dress in female attire to pose as his consort, the goddess Radha, as an act of devotion. In Italy, the Neapolitan femminielli (feminine males) wear wedding dresses, called the matrimonio dei femminielli (marriage of the femminielli), a procession takes place through the streets, a tradition that has pagan origins. Are those that are placing their minds in Christ, moved yet by their spiritual emotions, as to the problems being red-flagged here? This is the world, by definition.

So, as we talk about this it must be established if they are even a follower of Christ or not. And then I would ask if they say they are a follower of Christ, "How does the emotions of your spirit react to the facts here?" Like any idolatry it is fashioned to not please God, but rather, please self. God shows us freedom not disingenuous to obligation, but is free from the world's take on thinking and is freedom from its control and influence over our acts of obedience to that obligation which frees us. (Proverbs 1:7) says, "The fear of the Lord is the beginning of knowledge."

I would have asked this person: "Are you seeking Jesus, as a verb in loving Him, asking Him to open up your understanding of what is best for you?" It starts in our hearts being set in Christ relationally, but it also means we must place our minds in Christ as well; based on that love relationship. Again, I would have asked,"Do you practice placing your mind in His Word, and memorizations; hiding His Word in your heart so that you may not sin against Thee?"

We need to "everyday" submit our minds to God and allow Him to shape us; which becomes also a verb as we live. (versus us, by way of Him, shaping ourselves; becoming a noun in our walk with Him). David describes the Word as a "Lamp," bringing light to dark paths (Psalm 119:105). I would ask, "Do you value the Word this way, as in conjunction with where you are looking to head?"..."What do you want? Who do you say Jesus is to you?"

If one is really asking the question here about this subject, and not simply using it as a platform to ease their anxious mind apart from Christ, ending up attacking those who are pliable to His Word, We see a pattern of living here in Scripture that would help us all. We need to (re)order our minds upon things of God. (Colossians 3:21); calls us to "Set your minds on things that are above, not on things that are on earth."

Historically we see trouble brewing don't we in what things are being practiced in view off this subject that go contrary to the things of worshipping God. I would ask, "How are you applying (Colossians 3:21) to your life?"

To me, it means we study the Character of God, as first, we were placed in His Character in innocence. This is the beginning of relational theology, a right relationship with God thru Jesus on a Cross. As this relationship starts I am hit with the revelation of the fact we have been crucified with Christ, and I no longer live but only Christ lives now in me - and God starts our walk, (He doesn't end it there; He starts it).

For we, then, must also take that revelation and act it out in walking in this world. Then, we accepting with the facts of the Cross lay down our right to ourselves at the feet of Jesus on that Cross.Then, and only then, is our position in Christ, unrelated by our works, which God and Christ has freely given thru grace, can become real in our experiences as well, as a life that has been transformed..

So, I digress.... if we are now living in the spirit and not in the flesh, (volitionally by choice), the bottom line is: as we simply allow ourselves to get to know God more intimately in discovering His Character He will call us thru clear messages intuitively thru that relationship via the Holy Spirit speaking to our spirit and not our brain (first), and His Alive and Active Word will deepen our relationship with Him as He asks us to do something, and we need only do it immediately; that being His will and purposes and intentions. As we continue in this righteousness, (or proper relationship with God and Jesus relationship) we will search and seek after things He values.

So, I would have asked, "Is your mind troubled over this, chaotic, prone to constant swerving?" This is the results of a person not rightly aligned with God regardless of the answer to any question. Satan, however, delights in this and blames God for you being in this state of mind. In (Ephesians 4:14) Paul warns us against becoming, "tossed to and fro by the waves and carried about by every wind of doctrine, by human cunning, by craftiness in deceitful schemes."

Instead, we are to be "rooted and built up in Him (the Person; His Word being a reflexion of that) and established in the faith, just as you were taught, abounding in thanksgiving. (Colossians 2:7). Thus, I would ask, "Are you thankful to God over all things He is in you?"

Our culture's continual glorification of what is logical to the world but is diametrically opposed to Spiritual Truth should not discourage us from taking up the task of submitting our minds in humility to our Creator because we can be assured that He will use us for His glory in the world. As a result; His Joy becomes our strength. As we mature, even not feeling His joy will not deter us from being steadfast in Christ, not being tossed by the winds of the times, or over-run by the worlds systems and thinking. We will be able to stand in our heart, and in our mind (volitionally), and in our body as God will provide a way in His victory; making it our own (radically transformed).

This took all of God and Jesus to offer us in grace, and it takes all of us to follow Him and love Him above all else.It's not magic, but it is Supernaturally real, and shows it to be so in our lives..

.

Rockrz · May 31, 2017

Yes, it is a sin... start taking authority over those thoughts as they are not from God and are from the devil.

You didn't pop out'cho momma's belly with the desire to do this (No, God does not make people this way) so it is learned behavior that was picked up along the way which simply means an evil spirit put this thought in you as he tries to do with all of us (this is not uncommon)

Deuteronomy 22:5
The woman shall not wear that which pertaineth unto a man, neither shall a man put on a woman's garment: for all that do so are abomination unto the LORD thy God.

1 Corinthians 6:9,10
Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.

*** notice this was said under the New Covenant and NOT under the Law ***

Start treating these thoughts / feelings the same way you would treat the temptation to rob banks, or smoke crack (assuming you aren't out doing these things... in which case you have additional problems if ya are...)

Hebrews 12:8
But if ye be without correction, whereof all are partakers, then are ye bastards, and not sons.

Not receiving the Lord's correction concerning something He clearly says is sin in His Word... just means He has turned you over to your desires which is not a good thing.

The Lord gave us free will so He cannot continue trying to away us away from sin otherwise it would get to the point that He would be forcing His will upon us... so at some point He has no choice but to turn us over to a reprobate mind / understanding.

You will not want to leave this earth in that condition...

When all the false grace TV preachers got popular... many are now turning to universalism related to false grace teaching.

Mankind is without excuse before a righteous God.

Yeraza_Bats · May 31, 2017

Clementine13 said:

Keep in mind the "The Lord detests those who do" bit. If we can say "this part can be taken at face value" and "this part cannot be taken at face value", then we do not have a God, but a mere couple of moral guidelines that we can pick and choose whenever we feel the need to.

Yes there are ceremonial laws that are no longer relevant for our time. But Jesus said Himself that He had not come to change the law.

Those who feel the need to live or act as the other gender are living by the flesh, they either are doing it because it "feels good", or because they have allowed themselves to believe that they cannot be happy with the body they were given, and must have the body of others. But either way, it is living according to the flesh, and the Bible warns us against living by the flesh-

Romans 8:5- Those who live according to the flesh have their minds set on what the flesh desires; but those who live in accordance with the Spirit have their minds set on what the Spirit desires.

Romans 8:13- For if you live according to the flesh you will die, but if by the Spirit you put to death the deeds of the body, you will live.

We are told that "everything should be done in a fitting and orderly way" (1 Cor 14:40), Jesus said Himself, God made us man and woman. He had a purpose for creating both sides of mankind, and it seems clear that He does not want us doing what we shouldnt do.
Not hurting anyone doesnt define right and wrong. Pointing to ceremonial laws does not undo the Law. We are told how to behave in this world, we are told not to crossdress, not to have sexual relations outside of marriage, not to have sexual relations with anyone other than our spouse and not to have relations with anyone of the same gender.

God wants us to be happy, but to be happy with what He has given us. The Lord told us not to collect our treasures on earth but in Heaven. If you spend your life collecting earthly treasures in order to make you feel happy, are you doing what He has told you to do? Or having physical relations with others outside of marriage. This often makes people feel happy, but is it what God wants us to do?

God has told us not to dress as the other gender, there is no way around it other than ignoring the commandment. Anyone is free to do it, but no one who follows the Word of God will tell you anything other than God has warned us not to do it.

(Also, the Bible doesnt say that if a man rapes a woman he has to pay her father silver, here is what the Bible actually says about rape-

Deut 22:25-27
But if a man finds a betrothed young woman in the countryside, and the man forces her and lies with her , then only the man who lay with her shall die . But you shall do nothing to the young woman; there is in the young woman no sin deserving of death, for just as when a man rises against his neighbor and kills him, even so is this matter. For he found her in the countryside, and the betrothed young woman cried out, but there was no one to save her.

Plz dont believe every atheist argument you hear without looking into it yourself)

Huglife · May 31, 2017

Why is this not in the Bible Discussion Thread? Gosh its like an arena in here.... Shall we PLEASE keep the fighting out
of the Teens Forum?

This is supposed to be a happy forum

Huglife · May 31, 2017

slave said:

We are not better but we are different. We are dead to the world, and alive unto Christ. This person started this thread years ago (2014), but the battle for the mind rages on doesn't it?

After all the changes that took place during the 1970s, a large group was left without a word to describe themselves: heterosexual males who wear traditionally feminine clothing. This group was not particularly happy with the term "transvestism", and therefore took on the term "cross-dresser". Cross-dressers are men who wear female clothing and often both admire and imitate women, but self-identify as different from both gay men and transsexuals, and generally deny having fetishistic intentions.

In some cultures, "transvestism" is practiced for religious, traditional or ceremonial reasons. For example, in India some male devotees of the Hindu god Krishna, especially in Mathura and Vrindavan, dress in female attire to pose as his consort, the goddess Radha, as an act of devotion. In Italy, the Neapolitan femminielli (feminine males) wear wedding dresses, called the matrimonio dei femminielli (marriage of the femminielli), a procession takes place through the streets, a tradition that has pagan origins. Are those that are placing their minds in Christ, moved yet by their spiritual emotions, as to the problems being red-flagged here? This is the world, by definition.

So, as we talk about this it must be established if they are even a follower of Christ or not. And then I would ask if they say they are a follower of Christ, "How does the emotions of your spirit react to the facts here?" Like any idolatry it is fashioned to not please God, but rather, please self. God shows us freedom not disingenuous to obligation, but is free from the world's take on thinking and is freedom from its control and influence over our acts of obedience to that obligation which frees us. (Proverbs 1:7) says, "The fear of the Lord is the beginning of knowledge."

I would have asked this person: "Are you seeking Jesus, as a verb in loving Him, asking Him to open up your understanding of what is best for you?" It starts in our hearts being set in Christ relationally, but it also means we must place our minds in Christ as well; based on that love relationship. Again, I would have asked,"Do you practice placing your mind in His Word, and memorizations; hiding His Word in your heart so that you may not sin against Thee?"

We need to "everyday" submit our minds to God and allow Him to shape us; which becomes also a verb as we live. (versus us, by way of Him, shaping ourselves; becoming a noun in our walk with Him). David describes the Word as a "Lamp," bringing light to dark paths (Psalm 119:105). I would ask, "Do you value the Word this way, as in conjunction with where you are looking to head?"..."What do you want? Who do you say Jesus is to you?"

If one is really asking the question here about this subject, and not simply using it as a platform to ease their anxious mind apart from Christ, ending up attacking those who are pliable to His Word, We see a pattern of living here in Scripture that would help us all. We need to (re)order our minds upon things of God. (Colossians 3:21); calls us to "Set your minds on things that are above, not on things that are on earth."

Historically we see trouble brewing don't we in what things are being practiced in view off this subject that go contrary to the things of worshipping God. I would ask, "How are you applying (Colossians 3:21) to your life?"

To me, it means we study the Character of God, as first, we were placed in His Character in innocence. This is the beginning of relational theology, a right relationship with God thru Jesus on a Cross. As this relationship starts I am hit with the revelation of the fact we have been crucified with Christ, and I no longer live but only Christ lives now in me - and God starts our walk, (He doesn't end it there; He starts it).

For we, then, must also take that revelation and act it out in walking in this world. Then, we accepting with the facts of the Cross lay down our right to ourselves at the feet of Jesus on that Cross.Then, and only then, is our position in Christ, unrelated by our works, which God and Christ has freely given thru grace, can become real in our experiences as well, as a life that has been transformed..

So, I digress.... if we are now living in the spirit and not in the flesh, (volitionally by choice), the bottom line is: as we simply allow ourselves to get to know God more intimately in discovering His Character He will call us thru clear messages intuitively thru that relationship via the Holy Spirit speaking to our spirit and not our brain (first), and His Alive and Active Word will deepen our relationship with Him as He asks us to do something, and we need only do it immediately; that being His will and purposes and intentions. As we continue in this righteousness, (or proper relationship with God and Jesus relationship) we will search and seek after things He values.

So, I would have asked, "Is your mind troubled over this, chaotic, prone to constant swerving?" This is the results of a person not rightly aligned with God regardless of the answer to any question. Satan, however, delights in this and blames God for you being in this state of mind. In (Ephesians 4:14) Paul warns us against becoming, "tossed to and fro by the waves and carried about by every wind of doctrine, by human cunning, by craftiness in deceitful schemes."

Instead, we are to be "rooted and built up in Him (the Person; His Word being a reflexion of that) and established in the faith, just as you were taught, abounding in thanksgiving. (Colossians 2:7). Thus, I would ask, "Are you thankful to God over all things He is in you?"

Our culture's continual glorification of what is logical to the world but is diametrically opposed to Spiritual Truth should not discourage us from taking up the task of submitting our minds in humility to our Creator because we can be assured that He will use us for His glory in the world. As a result; His Joy becomes our strength. As we mature, even not feeling His joy will not deter us from being steadfast in Christ, not being tossed by the winds of the times, or over-run by the worlds systems and thinking. We will be able to stand in our heart, and in our mind (volitionally), and in our body as God will provide a way in His victory; making it our own (radically transformed).

This took all of God and Jesus to offer us in grace, and it takes all of us to follow Him and love Him above all else.It's not magic, but it is Supernaturally real, and shows it to be so in our lives..

.

Slave.... I think it is safe to say you write the longest posts on CC. Lol great posts, just long xD

Rockrz · May 31, 2017

Sharing ideas back and forth IS happy... some are ideas that came from the Lord, and others not so much

Yeraza_Bats · May 31, 2017

Clementine13 said:

This is not a good argument. God never made mistakes, but people do. Using the argument that "God made us with the desire to sin" can be used on absolutely anyone.

Hitler just followed his heart, God never makes mistakes.

Do you see why this argument is not valid?

Wanting to wear the clothes of or be of the other gender is not of God, it is a mindset that can absolutely be changed, if one chooses to make the effort to change it. There are countless former transgender people who come to Christ, I can promise you that myself : p

People are urged to do things that they shouldnt, the fact that they are urged is in no way at all proof that they were just made with the urge to do wrong. We are told to flee from temptation, not to give into it cuz we were made that way.

Yeraza_Bats · May 31, 2017

Also, we are told to love, but not to love mindsets. If someones mind is set on hurting others, we are in no way obligated to love their mindset. Wrong is wrong, we are not commanded to accept behaviors and lifestyles. To love, yes, but not to approve of wrong doing.

PrynceNY · May 31, 2017

Clementine13 said:

I know this is an unpopular opinion, but hear me out please. The Bible shouldnt be taken at face value at times. Things were written with laws and social policy written at the time. There are many rules and regulations just not feasible or that make any sense in today's world. Sure you shouldnt wear clothes of polyester back then, but that might be because the industry was bad or was poisonous or something, or you shouldnt plant two seeds of the same crop next to eachother for whatever reason they deemed important, but the industries changed and nothing is wrong with it in this day and age. The Bible defines what marriage is about 6 or 7 different ways in different times. If a man rapes a woman, does he still have to pay her father 50 shekels of silver? A lot of people like to pick and choose what they believe God wishes and still say they follow it to the T, but you just cant. God blessed the governments to make decisions, to dish punishments, and to help us grow. That's why capital punishment is allowed. Cross dressing was highly illegal back then because the government and world deemed it immoral . I believe as long as you believe you are good in the eyes of the lord he wont let you down. He will guide you and give you a clear path to what he wants us to do in life, because God doesnt lie, he wants us to be happy.

1 Corinthians 6:9 ~ Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor verbal abusers, nor swindlers, will inherit the kingdom of God

slave · May 31, 2017

Huglife said:

That's because I love our youth immensely, and although I didn't bring this issue to the table, going alongside them in Scripture can take up time and effort, even words. But God does not impose happy to me in Scripture over truthfully real and purposefully changed. Discussion is not unhappy, unless you are unhappily discussing and showing it. But where happy comes and goes, and happy changes by the outside circumstances, what I want to say is pertaining to eternal steadfast values over temporal seasonal lies. I'm sorry if my length in description disturbs your rest in Christ (?)

I know this is a heavier topic, and i understand your point, but our youth live in the same world as the adults, shouldn't it be we as adults, care enough to support, and train, and parent them in love as they must live in that mix of choices they also must face? Let's blame satan for such tyrannies of weight. Thank you for expressing your hope for God's joy, however, which will become our strength to get thru the unpleasant feelings in the cost of serving Him..

.

slave · May 31, 2017

Huglife said:

God Bless you for wanting your peace to be shed abroad to all....but not all have God's peace right? So, we need to discuss and discover it with people as God leads the way. (With respect and gentleness; which is vitally important).

If all we want is to not be disturbed; concluding all things then are categorically -considered "fighting", what will happen when a non-christian comes and hates us in person simply for loving God with all our heart and loving them with all our heart in Christ? Will we stop being loyal to His Word and crumble in our love for that person as well; running to find happiness?

This is not real life. This is hopeful thinking...but a hope that will not be set in reality on earth, for God says If the world hates and persecutes Him, surely they will hate and persecute His followers who are simply loving people spreading the good news of Christ. This is a revelation of Spiritual Truth I pray God will, in time, rest with you in your heart. May God richly Bless you.

renewed_hope · May 31, 2017

I just don't understand why men would want to dress up as women, cause it is way overrated

Now, don't get me wrong I love wearing dresses, skirts, heels, and lacey tops like I have on right now, but I like being comfy too and that requires, jeans and a sweatshirt

mailmandan · Jun 1, 2017

Demi777 said:

It's good to see you back Demi!

Demi777 · Jun 1, 2017

well as my email and facebook messages have been exploding it seemed like i should return to the battleground and start marching again

mailmandan said:

Magenta · Jun 1, 2017

Demi777 said:

Just make sure to march in lady shoes and not man boots

Demi777 · Jun 1, 2017

sorry but in this case ill go with the man battle gear..heavier, deadlier and simply more comfortable

Magenta said:

mailmandan · Jun 1, 2017

Demi777 said:

Hope you are feeling the love because you are loved Demi!

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