Animals in heaven

[lookwhatthelordhasdone]

So far all i see is 'i think' and 'i believe' but no one supporting their position with anything more than wishful thinking. cgirl is the only one to provide some kind of support for her answer. So, Godgives, because you share wishful thinking as well, you were quick to accept others answers, that agreed with what you desire, not because they have proven, or given any kind of support for what they say, but because it's what you want to be true.
'The lion shall lay down with the lamb' supports the idea of animals in heaven, but not the idea that our pets souls will be taken to heaven. As cgirl pointed out, if animals had souls, they would also require salvation.

My heart is simply breaking to think my Dr. Mombo won't go to Heaven.

Ugly, now I will have terrible nightmares after trolling the threads before bedtime. Grr.

 

[Ugly]

My heart is simply breaking to think my Dr. Mombo won't go to Heaven.

Ugly, now I will have terrible nightmares after trolling the threads before bedtime. Grr.

Aww... i give you nightmares? Or my posts do? Good to know i have such powerful effects on you, even if they are bad. But still. Good to know.

Oh, and does it make it worse i was laughing at the name 'Dr Mombo'?

 

[cgirl]

ok, reading what DancingforJesus wrote, let's rethink some things:
Humans are made of flesh (the physical part), soul (the emotional part) and spirit (the spiritual part that allow us to conect with God).
Yep, animals may have souls, since they have emotions, but I don't think they have spirits. Still, I don't have enough biblical knowlegde to know what part of us goes to Heaven (the soul, spirit, or both? this is getting confusing....)

So, I'm again in the begining of the discusion: do animals go to Heaven/ paradise (specially pets)?
Well, now I'm not sure XD , and probably I won't go deeper in the topic, since that's someting that has never worried me (maybe, because I've never had such a deep conexion with any animal).

But there's something that is begining to make me worry, and is the fact that some people care more about their pets than the people around them. I can understand than you love an animal very much, and you have doubts about the eternal destiny of your furry/ birdy/ fishy friend. But, shouldn't we be more worried about the eternal destiny of the people around us? That's something the Bible talks about very clearly.
#justsaying

 

[ELECT]

Elect, it's important to pay attention to punctuation. I went back and read the whole chapter of Ecclesiastes 3. The author, if you were to look at the punctuation and realize the sentence is a quite literal question, was asking literally "who knows if the spirit of man goes upward, or the spirit of beasts down to the earth?" This was before the time of Jesus, and His salvation which guarantees we go to heaven if we accept Him. If you read the whole passage, he equated humans to animals. While I agree that we are similar in some ways, we are very different. Humans are born into sin, because of Adam and Eve. Therefore, we require the salvation that Jesus provided to us, who took all our sins so that we could become pure in the eyes of the father through Jesus. Animals, while they kill, as in the case of carnivores, they are not impure. They did not eat the apple from the forbidden tree, so they do not require salvation. Perhaps most important to remember is that we, as humans, are made in the likeness and image of God. Animals are products of our God's incredible creativity.

Before I go off on another tangent, let me point out again that Ecclesiastes was old testament, before Jesus, His death and rise and the salvation of all humans.

So, as I was saying, animals do not require salvation because they are not born into sin as we humans are. It was said that animals have no soul. Can you truly believe that? If animals did not have a soul, they would be comparable to rocks or trees or soil. But animals, anyone who has owned or become friends with one before, can clearly see that they are thinking and feeling creatures. They feel love, anger, loyalty, pain, fear. Not all of them have long term memory, and some emotions such as hatred I'm not so sure they feel (I think hatred is related to holding grudges which requires holding a long term memory). However, I truly believe they have a soul. Can you look into the eyes of a beaten animal and truly think "they are like dust or a robot, there is no soul". Can you look at the dogs who have saved and even died for their owners, and the dogs who have taken on rattlesnakes to protect the children playing in the yard, who acted out of love and loyalty, and say they have no soul? Wouldn't you say that to hold these emotions requires a soul? Because the rocks and trees and grass and sky and clouds do not have emotions, and it is difficult to believe they would have a soul. Clearly God made animals different, as living and breathing and feeling and learning creatures, like we are.

I myself have connected with animals on a deeper level. I've seen and experienced bonds between person and animal, such as my horse who will do for me what she will do for no one else, and my mother's parrot who will leave food and the company of other birds of his own volition to come across the room and cuddle with my mother (if there ever was a bird that loved a human, this is the one).

What really cleared up all confusion for me was the day I hit a wild bird. I was driving along, and there are gray morning doves that live in my area, and for some reason they will sit in the middle of the road and fly away from oncoming cars. I didn't even see this one, until it flew up at the last second and hit the truck with such a loud impact I knew it was dead. I was so upset and was even apologizing to God, though I really didn't know why as my logic side kept telling me 'its just a bird'. then I heard God say to me "its OK, I've got him" and gave me a vision of Him, with the bird sitting in His hand in heaven. This erased all doubt for me as to whether or not animals go to heaven. If the little morning dove made it, I'm sure that my beloved furred family friends will make it as well.

Logic doesn't explain everything. Logic won't tell you how God can be a trinity. It doesn't tell you how and why God does things and works in the way that He does. It can't explain the presence of the Holy Spirit or how spiritual gifts are given. It can't tell you why God loves humans the way He does, as evil and sinful we are by nature. Logic often tells me to do exactly the opposite of what God tells me to do, as in the career I will be going into.

I have found that logic is irrelevant when it comes to God. Logic is us trying to reason the universe and God out, and it doesn't work. Let's not forget: "For the wisdom of this world is foolishness to God. As the Scriptures say, "He traps the wise in the snare of their own cleverness." (1 Corinthians 3:19)

[h=1]Ecclesiastes 12:7King James Version (KJV)[/h]7 Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.

Do you think plants have a spirit ?

Animals spirit goes into the earth the writer was not asking a question that require an answer he was stating a fact in a Rhetorical question just like this example below

[h=1]Proverbs 30:4King James Version (KJV)[/h]4 Who hath ascended up into heaven, or descended? who hath gathered the wind in his fists? who hath bound the waters in a garment? who hath established all the ends of the earth? what is his name, and what is his son's name, if thou canst tell?

 

[ELECT]

ok, reading what DancingforJesus wrote, let's rethink some things:
Humans are made of flesh (the physical part), soul (the emotional part) and spirit (the spiritual part that allow us to conect with God).
Yep, animals may have souls, since they have emotions, but I don't think they have spirits. Still, I don't have enough biblical knowlegde to know what part of us goes to Heaven (the soul, spirit, or both? this is getting confusing....)

So, I'm again in the begining of the discusion: do animals go to Heaven/ paradise (specially pets)?
Well, now I'm not sure XD , and probably I won't go deeper in the topic, since that's someting that has never worried me (maybe, because I've never had such a deep conexion with any animal).

But there's something that is begining to make me worry, and is the fact that some people care more about their pets than the people around them. I can understand than you love an animal very much, and you have doubts about the eternal destiny of your furry/ birdy/ fishy friend. But, shouldn't we be more worried about the eternal destiny of the people around us? That's something the Bible talks about very clearly.
#justsaying

[h=1]Ecclesiastes 3:19-21King James Version (KJV)[/h]19 For that which befalleth the sons of men befalleth beasts; even one thing befalleth them: as the one dieth, so dieth the other; yea, they have all one breath; so that a man hath no preeminence above a beast: for all is vanity.
20 All go unto one place; all are of the dust, and all turn to dust again.
21 Who knoweth the spirit of man that goeth upward, and the spirit of the beast that goeth downward to the earth?

 

[ELECT]

Elect, it's important to pay attention to punctuation. I went back and read the whole chapter of Ecclesiastes 3. The author, if you were to look at the punctuation and realize the sentence is a quite literal question, was asking literally "who knows if the spirit of man goes upward, or the spirit of beasts down to the earth?" This was before the time of Jesus, and His salvation which guarantees we go to heaven if we accept Him. If you read the whole passage, he equated humans to animals. While I agree that we are similar in some ways, we are very different. Humans are born into sin, because of Adam and Eve. Therefore, we require the salvation that Jesus provided to us, who took all our sins so that we could become pure in the eyes of the father through Jesus. Animals, while they kill, as in the case of carnivores, they are not impure. They did not eat the apple from the forbidden tree, so they do not require salvation. Perhaps most important to remember is that we, as humans, are made in the likeness and image of God. Animals are products of our God's incredible creativity.

Before I go off on another tangent, let me point out again that Ecclesiastes was old testament, before Jesus, His death and rise and the salvation of all humans.

So, as I was saying, animals do not require salvation because they are not born into sin as we humans are. It was said that animals have no soul. Can you truly believe that? If animals did not have a soul, they would be comparable to rocks or trees or soil. But animals, anyone who has owned or become friends with one before, can clearly see that they are thinking and feeling creatures. They feel love, anger, loyalty, pain, fear. Not all of them have long term memory, and some emotions such as hatred I'm not so sure they feel (I think hatred is related to holding grudges which requires holding a long term memory). However, I truly believe they have a soul. Can you look into the eyes of a beaten animal and truly think "they are like dust or a robot, there is no soul". Can you look at the dogs who have saved and even died for their owners, and the dogs who have taken on rattlesnakes to protect the children playing in the yard, who acted out of love and loyalty, and say they have no soul? Wouldn't you say that to hold these emotions requires a soul? Because the rocks and trees and grass and sky and clouds do not have emotions, and it is difficult to believe they would have a soul. Clearly God made animals different, as living and breathing and feeling and learning creatures, like we are.

I myself have connected with animals on a deeper level. I've seen and experienced bonds between person and animal, such as my horse who will do for me what she will do for no one else, and my mother's parrot who will leave food and the company of other birds of his own volition to come across the room and cuddle with my mother (if there ever was a bird that loved a human, this is the one).

What really cleared up all confusion for me was the day I hit a wild bird. I was driving along, and there are gray morning doves that live in my area, and for some reason they will sit in the middle of the road and fly away from oncoming cars. I didn't even see this one, until it flew up at the last second and hit the truck with such a loud impact I knew it was dead. I was so upset and was even apologizing to God, though I really didn't know why as my logic side kept telling me 'its just a bird'. then I heard God say to me "its OK, I've got him" and gave me a vision of Him, with the bird sitting in His hand in heaven. This erased all doubt for me as to whether or not animals go to heaven. If the little morning dove made it, I'm sure that my beloved furred family friends will make it as well.

Logic doesn't explain everything. Logic won't tell you how God can be a trinity. It doesn't tell you how and why God does things and works in the way that He does. It can't explain the presence of the Holy Spirit or how spiritual gifts are given. It can't tell you why God loves humans the way He does, as evil and sinful we are by nature. Logic often tells me to do exactly the opposite of what God tells me to do, as in the career I will be going into.

I have found that logic is irrelevant when it comes to God. Logic is us trying to reason the universe and God out, and it doesn't work. Let's not forget: "For the wisdom of this world is foolishness to God. As the Scriptures say, "He traps the wise in the snare of their own cleverness." (1 Corinthians 3:19)

It was not an apple

How can animals have a soul without a spirit ?

 

[Hesyasha]

Ecclesiastes 3:19-21King James Version (KJV)

19 For that which befalleth the sons of men befalleth beasts; even one thing befalleth them: as the one dieth, so dieth the other; yea, they have all one breath; so that a man hath no preeminence above a beast: for all is vanity.
20 All go unto one place; all are of the dust, and all turn to dust again.
21 Who knoweth the spirit of man that goeth upward, and the spirit of the beast that goeth downward to the earth?

All this means is that Man was formed out of the Earth, and his flesh will return back to the Earth (decomposing).
The same thing happens with any living thing. It wasn't talking about going to heaven.

 

[Ugly]

All this means is that Man was formed out of the Earth, and his flesh will return back to the Earth (decomposing).
The same thing happens with any living thing. It wasn't talking about going to heaven.

Replying with obscure OT scriptures, most of the time i can't even find a connection to what he's responding to, seems to be his specialty.

Notice how easily he avoids the subject of why animals don't need to be saved if they have spirits.

 

[Hesyasha]

I was correcting someone else.

 

[blue_ladybug]

Ok, so if the lion and the lamb WILL be in heaven, do they then have immortal souls? I mean, why do the lion and lamb get to go to heaven, but dogs and cats don't? ALL animals have the same soul. God created them all, therefore if a lion and lamb will be present in heaven, then it makes sense (to me anyway) that ALL of God's animal creations would be in heaven also. This however is JMO. Why would God give lions and lambs immortal souls, but not give them to dogs and cats/ pets also?

 

[secularhermit]

Ok, so if the lion and the lamb WILL be in heaven, do they then have immortal souls? I mean, why do the lion and lamb get to go to heaven, but dogs and cats don't? ALL animals have the same soul. God created them all, therefore if a lion and lamb will be present in heaven, then it makes sense (to me anyway) that ALL of God's animal creations would be in heaven also. This however is JMO. Why would God give lions and lambs immortal souls, but not give them to dogs and cats/ pets also?

Hmm! I think you are jealous not having your pets there.

heavens and earth, there will be more pets that we can imagine, flowers will talk and sing too, by the way.

 

[blue_ladybug]

Hmm! I think you are jealous not having your pets there.

heavens and earth, there will be more pets that we can imagine, flowers will talk and sing too, by the way.

​I'm not jealous of not having my pets there in heaven because I KNOW they are already there!! LOL!! But yes, I believe there will be an abundance of animals. Why would God create them to live only an earthly life with us, and not a heavenly one as well? I think the bible obviously says animals will be in heaven.

 

[Bride]

Ok, so if the lion and the lamb WILL be in heaven, do they then have immortal souls? I mean, why do the lion and lamb get to go to heaven, but dogs and cats don't? ALL animals have the same soul. God created them all, therefore if a lion and lamb will be present in heaven, then it makes sense (to me anyway) that ALL of God's animal creations would be in heaven also. This however is JMO. Why would God give lions and lambs immortal souls, but not give them to dogs and cats/ pets also?

Haha! I love your post

THIS is that Lion;

(Rev 5:5)
And one of the elders saith unto me, Weep not: behold, the Lion of the tribe of Juda, the Root of David, hath prevailed to open the book, and to loose the seven seals thereof.

And THIS is that lamb;

(Rev 5:6)
And I beheld, and, lo, in the midst of the throne and of the four beasts, and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent forth into all the earth.

Jesus, the Lion of the Tribe of Judah, geneology from Judah, son of Jacob/Israel;

(Gen 49:9)
Judah is a lion's whelp: from the prey, my son, thou art gone up: he stooped down, he couched as a lion, and as an old lion; who shall resurrect him up?

The Lion (Jesus from the flesh)

becoming One with the Lamb, (Christ from God)

(Gen 22:8)
And Abraham said, My son, God will provide himself a lamb for a burnt offering: so they went both of them together.


One new Creation!

The meaning of the Lion laying down with the Lamb! Fun huh

Here is where they first layed down together...
(Mat 3:15)
And Jesus answering said unto him, Suffer it to be so now: for thus it becometh us to fulfil all righteousness. Then he suffered him.


(Mat 3:16)
And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him:


Which is the fulfillment of this prophecy;





(Isa 11:6)
The wolf also shall dwell with the lamb, and the leopard shall lie down with the kid; and the calf and the young lion and the fatling together; and a little child shall lead them.

Isn't it awesome how the Lord using animals to describe our salvation in Christ/Jesus? Lion/Lamb

Thank you Jesus!

 

[secularhermit]

​I'm not jealous of not having my pets there in heaven because I KNOW they are already there!! LOL!! But yes, I believe there will be an abundance of animals. Why would God create them to live only an earthly life with us, and not a heavenly one as well? I think the bible obviously says animals will be in heaven.

hahah!

I see He is love and animals are (and were) better friends than US... I hope to meet in heaven or earth those friends I had and missed up here, no matter the place.

Can I google are there blue bugs on heavens? hahahahah

I love you, sister!

 

[tourist]

hahah!

I see He is love and animals are (and were) better friends than US... I hope to meet in heaven or earth those friends I had and missed up here, no matter the place.

Can I google are there blue bugs on heavens? hahahahah

I love you, sister!

I just googled about the bugs. It turns out there are indeed bugs in heaven, blue ones and red ones too.

 

[secularhermit]

What a party it would be then! Meeting loved ones and those we love here.

 

[secularhermit]

I have the hunch that those that liked cats HERE would also have liked lions, but we know the risks and limitations: No one likes to be bitten!

 

[jh611]

Many pastors teach against pets going to heaven. When I was a kid I had a dog who was like a son to me. He followed me everywhere. One day we were walking home from the store when I big chow dog got loose and tried to eat him. My little dog died in my arms. I went and got my pastor at the time and asked him to say a prayer. He told me that dogs dont have souls and do not go to heaven. this broke my heart more than seeing his little life leave this world.
I did some research afterward and here is scripture to back up my theory that pets to do to heaven:

Who knoweth not in all these that the hand of the Lord hath wrought this? In whose hand is the soul of every living thing, and the breath of all mankind
Job 12:9-10

Revelation 5:8-13
"All creatures recognize Jesus as the Savior of the world and praise God right along with redeemed men.

Psalm 145:-9-10,13,15-21 AMP
Though all creatures are subject to man's cruelty, God loves all His creation and has made plans for all His children and the lesser creatures to enjoy His eternal Kingdom

Romans 8:19 (KJV)
The lesser creatures await Christ's return to redeem the sons of God so they, too, will be released from physical death to eternal life.

 

[RussellJBenigno]

I'm sure there would be animals in paradise... the bible says so. But specifically our pets on Earth? ... mmmm...

My logic says:
1-animals don't have souls. If they had, they'd have to accept Jesus as their savior to be in heaven too.
2-if they don't have souls, they can't go to heaven/paradise when they die, since its the soul which goes there.

Hate to pop your bubble, but! The same breath of life Adam received the animals also received. Breath of life is synonyms with soul.
(Gen 6:17-19 [AKJV])
And, behold, I, even I, do bring a flood of waters on the earth, to destroy all flesh, wherein is the breath of life, from under heaven; and every thing that is in the earth shall die. .... you shall come into the ark, you, and your sons, and your wife, and your sons' wives with you. And of every living thing of all flesh, two of every sort shall you bring into the ark, to keep them alive with you; they shall be male and female.
(Gen 7:14-16 [AKJV])
They, and every beast after his kind, and all the cattle after their kind, and every creeping thing that creeps on the earth after his kind, and every fowl after his kind, every bird of every sort.
And they went in to Noah into the ark, two and two of all flesh, wherein is the breath of life. And they that went in, went in male and female of all flesh, as God had commanded him: and the LORD shut him in.
(Job 12:10 [AKJV])
In whose hand is the soul of every living thing, and the breath of all mankind.
(Rev 16:3 [AKJV])
And the second angel poured out his vial on the sea; and it became as the blood of a dead man: and every living soul[G5590 ψυχή psuche- Soul\Breath] died in the sea.
(Rev 8:9 [AKJV])
And the third part of the creatures which were in the sea, and had life [G5590 ψυχή psuche- Soul\Breath], died; .....

 

[Altair-786]

will there be dinosaurs?