Mormon's shut down.

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Cako53

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Although this guy might not have handled this the greatest, he deffinatly got his point across.

[video]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=onlo8bLSTVE&feature=related[/video]​
 
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Maddog

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Ahh, that was excellent.

I've had two sets of Mormons talk to me (the bloody yanks have let them loose on the rest of the world, it seems). They were really very lovely people, so much that I let them have my 'phone number. They never got in touch though.
 
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Cako53

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Ahh, that was excellent.

I've had two sets of Mormons talk to me (the bloody yanks have let them loose on the rest of the world, it seems). They were really very lovely people, so much that I let them have my 'phone number. They never got in touch though.
The best part I must say is when he tells him "No, you've been shut down." lol.
 
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jesusfreak0016

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nice!!!!!!
 
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living4Him93

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that totally just made my morning haha. the Mormons don't come to our door anymore, or they haven't been going around lately.
 
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Cako53

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YEAH! It was awesome! Going to go ahead and claim that :)
 
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Presley250

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haha that was...AMAZING...i loved it
 
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Although this guy might not have handled this the greatest, he deffinatly got his point across.

[video]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=onlo8bLSTVE&feature=related[/video]​


The manner in which that person spoke to the missionaries would be reason for anyone to get upset. The people rejected Christ. Even his own apostles didn't stay with him.

ST MATTHEW
CHAPTER 26
56 But all this was done, that the scriptures of the prophets might be fulfilled. Then all the disciples forsook him, and fled.

ST JOHN
CHAPTER 1
10 He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not.
11 He came unto his own, and his own received him not.

ST JOHN
CHAPTER 15
25 But this cometh to pass, that the word might be fulfilled that is written in their law, They hated me without a cause.





The scriptures never say anything about not having a correct book. The only thing he could be referring to are several verses through the Bible.

Deuteronomy 4:2
2 Ye shall not add unto the word which I command you, neither shall ye diminish ought from it, that ye may keep the commandments of the Lord your God which I command you.

Deuteronomy 12:32
32 What thing soever I command you, observe to do it: thou shalt not add thereto, nor diminish from it.

Proverbs 30:5-6
5 Every word of God is pure: he is a shield unto them that put their trust in him.
6 Add thou not unto his words, lest he reprove thee, and thou be found a liar.

Galatians 1:6-12
6 I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel:
7 Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ.
8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.
9 As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.
10 For do I now persuade men, or God? or do I seek to please men? for if I yet pleased men, I should not be the servant of Christ.
11 But I certify you, brethren, that the gospel which was preached of me is not after man.
12 For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught it, but by the revelation of Jesus Christ.

Revelation 22:18-19
18 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:
19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.


Few people understand how the Bible came to be. The Bible is a collection of books and letters. The word bible literally means books. It wasn't until many years later after these individual books and letters were written that some of them were collected into "The Books" or "The Bible". There are many other writings which are spoken of through out the different books but are not in the collection of the Bible. Not all of these books were written at once. They were written over a large period of time. Yet the Bible contains writings after Deuteronomy. Why is this? It clearly states do not add or take away from what the Lord has said in Deuteronomy. The Lord gives other scriptures to later prophets and says the same of do not add or take away. Would this mean the Lord could never speak again or there can be no future writings? Obviously it would not mean this or no one would use anything past Deuteronomy.

The LDS believe the Book of Mormon to be other scriptures from prophets which were obviously not included into the collection of the Bible.

There are a lot of religious books that they didn't include in the Bible because they weren't certain how accurate they were. The Apocrypha, which the Catholics use, are books which were written by prophets and there are a lot of books that are even mentioned of in the Bible but no one knows where they are. We have a collection of some books but we don't have all of them and when they were written they weren't in any official collection.

Here is an example. Lets take Toyota the car company. There is a president of Toyota (God). He speaks to his representatives (prophets) that speak to the public about the company (company being the gospel). I'm a representative for Toyota and I write four books or letters. A year later another representative writes two books and in it it talks about other books another representative wrote (books not included into the collection of the Bible). Six months later another representative writes some books and says do not add or take away from this writing. Four months later another Representative writes some books and letters. This goes on and on till you eventually have 75+ representatives who wrote 300+ (uncertain on the total number) total books and letters. Now 20 years after the last known book was written, a group of people gather together 25 books from 10 representatives and they put it into a collection (The Bible). Then 50 years later someone else (Joseph Smith) says they found some other books and old letters written by representatives that weren't included into the that collection which other people wrote. So you go to one of the books in the Bible that says do not add or take away from this book and say "well it says right here don't add or take away so that obviously discredits what you say".

The books through out the "The Bible" were written many years apart. The fact that there are books and letters after Deuteronomy in the the Bible shows that there can be other writing besides that of Deuteronomy. The fact that there are other books and letters mentioned of in the Bible but not included in it show that we do not have them all. Recently there were the other writings discovered which are known as the Dead Sea Scrolls.

So to say Deuteronomy is referring to all of the books of the Bible or all books ever written, when many were not even written till hundreds of years later does not make sense. There was no Bible then. God still spoke to prophets after Deuteronomy.

So to say because one book in a collection of books says not to add or take away from it and that it would some how mean you can never have anymore writings makes absolutely no sense or no one would use any books past Deuteronomy. Some people look at the Bible as though it is one book and it is not. This is a fact. If a person knew the origin of the Bible they would know that it is very possible that someone could find and have found additional writings.


• • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • •

Passages from the Book of Mormon.

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2nd Nephi. 29: 3-4, 6, 10
3 And because my words shall hiss forth—many of the Gentiles shall say: A Bible! A Bible! We have got a Bible, and there cannot be any more Bible.
4 But thus saith the Lord God: O fools, they shall have a Bible; and it shall proceed forth from the Jews, mine ancient covenant people. And what thank they the Jews for the Bible which they receive from them? Yea, what do the Gentiles mean? Do they remember the travails, and the labors, and the pains of the Jews, and their diligence unto me, in bringing forth salvation unto the Gentiles?
6 Thou fool, that shall say: A Bible, we have got a Bible, and we need no more Bible. Have ye obtained a Bible save it were by the Jews?
10 Wherefore, because that ye have a Bible ye need not suppose that it contains all my words; neither need ye suppose that I have not caused more to be written.



If you would like a list of all of the lost books in the Bible you may look here http://scriptures.lds.org/en/bd/l/40
 
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Cako53

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The manner in which that person spoke to the missionaries would be reason for anyone to get upset. The people rejected Christ. Even his own apostles didn't stay with him.

ST MATTHEW
CHAPTER 26
56 But all this was done, that the scriptures of the prophets might be fulfilled. Then all the disciples forsook him, and fled.

ST JOHN
CHAPTER 1
10 He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not.
11 He came unto his own, and his own received him not.

ST JOHN
CHAPTER 15
25 But this cometh to pass, that the word might be fulfilled that is written in their law, They hated me without a cause.





The scriptures never say anything about not having a correct book. The only thing he could be referring to are several verses through the Bible.

Deuteronomy 4:2
2 Ye shall not add unto the word which I command you, neither shall ye diminish ought from it, that ye may keep the commandments of the Lord your God which I command you.

Deuteronomy 12:32
32 What thing soever I command you, observe to do it: thou shalt not add thereto, nor diminish from it.

Proverbs 30:5-6
5 Every word of God is pure: he is a shield unto them that put their trust in him.
6 Add thou not unto his words, lest he reprove thee, and thou be found a liar.

Galatians 1:6-12
6 I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel:
7 Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ.
8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.
9 As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.
10 For do I now persuade men, or God? or do I seek to please men? for if I yet pleased men, I should not be the servant of Christ.
11 But I certify you, brethren, that the gospel which was preached of me is not after man.
12 For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught it, but by the revelation of Jesus Christ.

Revelation 22:18-19
18 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:
19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.


Few people understand how the Bible came to be. The Bible is a collection of books and letters. The word bible literally means books. It wasn't until many years later after these individual books and letters were written that some of them were collected into "The Books" or "The Bible". There are many other writings which are spoken of through out the different books but are not in the collection of the Bible. Not all of these books were written at once. They were written over a large period of time. Yet the Bible contains writings after Deuteronomy. Why is this? It clearly states do not add or take away from what the Lord has said in Deuteronomy. The Lord gives other scriptures to later prophets and says the same of do not add or take away. Would this mean the Lord could never speak again or there can be no future writings? Obviously it would not mean this or no one would use anything past Deuteronomy.

The LDS believe the Book of Mormon to be other scriptures from prophets which were obviously not included into the collection of the Bible.

There are a lot of religious books that they didn't include in the Bible because they weren't certain how accurate they were. The Apocrypha, which the Catholics use, are books which were written by prophets and there are a lot of books that are even mentioned of in the Bible but no one knows where they are. We have a collection of some books but we don't have all of them and when they were written they weren't in any official collection.

Here is an example. Lets take Toyota the car company. There is a president of Toyota (God). He speaks to his representatives (prophets) that speak to the public about the company (company being the gospel). I'm a representative for Toyota and I write four books or letters. A year later another representative writes two books and in it it talks about other books another representative wrote (books not included into the collection of the Bible). Six months later another representative writes some books and says do not add or take away from this writing. Four months later another Representative writes some books and letters. This goes on and on till you eventually have 75+ representatives who wrote 300+ (uncertain on the total number) total books and letters. Now 20 years after the last known book was written, a group of people gather together 25 books from 10 representatives and they put it into a collection (The Bible). Then 50 years later someone else (Joseph Smith) says they found some other books and old letters written by representatives that weren't included into the that collection which other people wrote. So you go to one of the books in the Bible that says do not add or take away from this book and say "well it says right here don't add or take away so that obviously discredits what you say".

The books through out the "The Bible" were written many years apart. The fact that there are books and letters after Deuteronomy in the the Bible shows that there can be other writing besides that of Deuteronomy. The fact that there are other books and letters mentioned of in the Bible but not included in it show that we do not have them all. Recently there were the other writings discovered which are known as the Dead Sea Scrolls.

So to say Deuteronomy is referring to all of the books of the Bible or all books ever written, when many were not even written till hundreds of years later does not make sense. There was no Bible then. God still spoke to prophets after Deuteronomy.

So to say because one book in a collection of books says not to add or take away from it and that it would some how mean you can never have anymore writings makes absolutely no sense or no one would use any books past Deuteronomy. Some people look at the Bible as though it is one book and it is not. This is a fact. If a person knew the origin of the Bible they would know that it is very possible that someone could find and have found additional writings.


• • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • •

Passages from the Book of Mormon.

#
2nd Nephi. 29: 3-4, 6, 10
3 And because my words shall hiss forth—many of the Gentiles shall say: A Bible! A Bible! We have got a Bible, and there cannot be any more Bible.
4 But thus saith the Lord God: O fools, they shall have a Bible; and it shall proceed forth from the Jews, mine ancient covenant people. And what thank they the Jews for the Bible which they receive from them? Yea, what do the Gentiles mean? Do they remember the travails, and the labors, and the pains of the Jews, and their diligence unto me, in bringing forth salvation unto the Gentiles?
6 Thou fool, that shall say: A Bible, we have got a Bible, and we need no more Bible. Have ye obtained a Bible save it were by the Jews?
10 Wherefore, because that ye have a Bible ye need not suppose that it contains all my words; neither need ye suppose that I have not caused more to be written.



If you would like a list of all of the lost books in the Bible you may look here http://scriptures.lds.org/en/bd/l/40
WOW! Are you actually trying to validate the book of mormon? If you are, give me a break. Joesph Smith was a joke. His story changed multiple times as to how he came across the book. First he found tablets written in ancient hyroglyphics and he found glasses that translated it for him. But then when he realized that that was ridiculous because he couln't produce evidence for either he decided that his story would sound better if he said that an angel came down and translated it for him. Ohh and what about the massive mistake that was originaly found where it talks about King Benjamin, and then he realized that at that time in history King Benjamin had already been killed, so what did he do. He changed it again. No way, eh.

There is a BIG difference between a Christian and a Mormon as well. Although a lot of details are close, there are some MAJOR mistakes.
 
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WOW! Are you actually trying to validate the book of mormon? If you are, give me a break. Joesph Smith was a joke. His story changed multiple times as to how he came across the book. First he found tablets written in ancient hieroglyphics and he found glasses that translated it for him. But then when he realized that that was ridiculous because he couldn't produce evidence for either he decided that his story would sound better if he said that an angel came down and translated it for him. Ohh and what about the massive mistake that was originally found where it talks about King Benjamin, and then he realized that at that time in history King Benjamin had already been killed, so what did he do. He changed it again. No way, eh.

There is a BIG difference between a Christian and a Mormon as well. Although a lot of details are close, there are some MAJOR mistakes.

Tell me, how does a 15 year old get such strong opinions against another persons faith because you did not get it on your own.

I'm not going to go through and answer every single one or your claims or rather I should say the claims you pulled off a website. The same claims that have been used by people over and over. The claims are endless and no matter how many times they are addressed they are ignored and another one is brought up again. The fact is the LDS do not go digging through other faiths to find every single thing they possibly can about them to make them look bad. The fact that you are doing it is just wrong. The fact that you and so many other Christians are taught to go after Mormons is why I would never join another faith. I may no longer be LDS but I would not join another faith for that very reason. Please find me one video or one post made by an LDS that goes after other Christian faiths. There is no way to justify what other faiths do to them. There is video after video, post after post attacking the LDS church and calling them a cult because their views are different from your own. LDS are encouraged not to publicly criticize other churches. The LDS do not go out and attack other religions for trying to practice their faith. If you want to convince someone that they are wrong, then you should compare what you believe to what to what they believe.

If you want to sincerely learn about what the LDS church teaches go to the LDS church main site http://lds.org/ldsorg/v/index.jsp?vgnextoid=e419fb40e21cef00VgnVCM1000001f5e340aRCRD

You could also go to LDS apologetic sites. http://www.fairlds.org/ or http://en.fairmormon.org/50_Answers There are many others if you would have taken two seconds to look.

The LDS has under 14 million members and only around 5 million of those are active. Out of that 5 million, I'd guess maybe half pay tithing. The LDS church spent over a billion dollars last year on humanitarian aid alone. No one gets paid in the LDS faith for their services. It's all volunteer even the leadership. Why try to tear down another faith that professes Jesus as the savior? Why not show or make a video to learn more about your faith instead of all about why the LDS are wrong? Why don't you go learn about the LDS for yourself instead of what you've been taught to do?

LDS do not need to sit there addressing every claim you can pull out under the sun.

ST MATTHEW
CHAPTER 27
11 And Jesus stood before the governor: and the governor asked him, saying, Art thou the King of the Jews? And Jesus said unto him, Thou sayest.
12 And when he was accused of the chief priests and elders, he answered nothing.
13 Then said Pilate unto him, Hearest thou not how many things they witness against thee?
14 And he answered him to never a word; insomuch that the governor marvelled greatly.

Critics have to dig for obscure sentences to try and find something that contradicts and that is exactly what the pharisees did to Jesus. They always tried to trick him into saying something so they could use it against him. They ignore 99.99% of what the church has and just search for something they can use against it to make it appear that something contradicts. Some sentence or a couple words someone said to make it contradict what someone else said. They would try to get him to trip up on his words to contradict himself. And that's exactly what the pharisees did.

One of the first sources people seem to go to when wanting to know more about LDS Church are those who have left the LDS church or have never been members. If you wanted to learn more about Christianity, would you first go to former Christians, atheists or Muslims? My guess is no. Try asking Richard Dawkings or Bill Maher they're opinion of Christianity and see how that goes. For the same reasons you would not first ask Republicans or Democrats to learn about what the other believes. Nine times out of ten you're going to get a biased answer which may be exaggerated and sometimes in a mocking and rude tone mixed in with some truth. Does this mean you won't get a biased answer if you go and ask a Christian about Christianity? No, it does not but you will most likely learn more truth about what they actually believe. Go learn what the person actually believes before asking someone else to tell you what that person believes. Have you ever been in school to hear bad rumors about another student in the class only to realize they didn't seem like anything you heard when you got to know them? Don't let someone else give you a view point about someone before you have ever even met them.

Why not live and let live? I don't believe in the Jewish faith, Islam etc. I don't go after and try to tear them down. How would you like it if I followed you around and said you believed in a three in one Voltron Jesus Christ with multiple personality disorder? That prays to himself, worships himself, asks himself questions, that knows but doesn't know and wants us all to become one as him and his father are one which is one physical being. So we're all going to become one big mutant God. It wouldn't feel very good would it? Would you consider that an accurate description of what you believe? Let the LDS believe as they wish and they will do the same for you.
 
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Cako53

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Tell me, how does a 15 year old get such strong opinions against another persons faith because you did not get it on your own.

I'm not going to go through and answer every single one or your claims or rather I should say the claims you pulled off a website. The same claims that have been used by people over and over. The claims are endless and no matter how many times they are addressed they are ignored and another one is brought up again. The fact is the LDS do not go digging through other faiths to find every single thing they possibly can about them to make them look bad. The fact that you are doing it is just wrong. The fact that you and so many other Christians are taught to go after Mormons is why I would never join another faith. I may no longer be LDS but I would not join another faith for that very reason. Please find me one video or one post made by an LDS that goes after other Christian faiths. There is no way to justify what other faiths do to them. There is video after video, post after post attacking the LDS church and calling them a cult because their views are different from your own. LDS are encouraged not to publicly criticize other churches. The LDS do not go out and attack other religions for trying to practice their faith. If you want to convince someone that they are wrong, then you should compare what you believe to what to what they believe.

If you want to sincerely learn about what the LDS church teaches go to the LDS church main site http://lds.org/ldsorg/v/index.jsp?vgnextoid=e419fb40e21cef00VgnVCM1000001f5e340aRCRD

You could also go to LDS apologetic sites. http://www.fairlds.org/ or http://en.fairmormon.org/50_Answers There are many others if you would have taken two seconds to look.

The LDS has under 14 million members and only around 5 million of those are active. Out of that 5 million, I'd guess maybe half pay tithing. The LDS church spent over a billion dollars last year on humanitarian aid alone. No one gets paid in the LDS faith for their services. It's all volunteer even the leadership. Why try to tear down another faith that professes Jesus as the savior? Why not show or make a video to learn more about your faith instead of all about why the LDS are wrong? Why don't you go learn about the LDS for yourself instead of what you've been taught to do?

LDS do not need to sit there addressing every claim you can pull out under the sun.

ST MATTHEW
CHAPTER 27
11 And Jesus stood before the governor: and the governor asked him, saying, Art thou the King of the Jews? And Jesus said unto him, Thou sayest.
12 And when he was accused of the chief priests and elders, he answered nothing.
13 Then said Pilate unto him, Hearest thou not how many things they witness against thee?
14 And he answered him to never a word; insomuch that the governor marvelled greatly.

Critics have to dig for obscure sentences to try and find something that contradicts and that is exactly what the pharisees did to Jesus. They always tried to trick him into saying something so they could use it against him. They ignore 99.99% of what the church has and just search for something they can use against it to make it appear that something contradicts. Some sentence or a couple words someone said to make it contradict what someone else said. They would try to get him to trip up on his words to contradict himself. And that's exactly what the pharisees did.

One of the first sources people seem to go to when wanting to know more about LDS Church are those who have left the LDS church or have never been members. If you wanted to learn more about Christianity, would you first go to former Christians, atheists or Muslims? My guess is no. Try asking Richard Dawkings or Bill Maher they're opinion of Christianity and see how that goes. For the same reasons you would not first ask Republicans or Democrats to learn about what the other believes. Nine times out of ten you're going to get a biased answer which may be exaggerated and sometimes in a mocking and rude tone mixed in with some truth. Does this mean you won't get a biased answer if you go and ask a Christian about Christianity? No, it does not but you will most likely learn more truth about what they actually believe. Go learn what the person actually believes before asking someone else to tell you what that person believes. Have you ever been in school to hear bad rumors about another student in the class only to realize they didn't seem like anything you heard when you got to know them? Don't let someone else give you a view point about someone before you have ever even met them.

Why not live and let live? I don't believe in the Jewish faith, Islam etc. I don't go after and try to tear them down. How would you like it if I followed you around and said you believed in a three in one Voltron Jesus Christ with multiple personality disorder? That prays to himself, worships himself, asks himself questions, that knows but doesn't know and wants us all to become one as him and his father are one which is one physical being. So we're all going to become one big mutant God. It wouldn't feel very good would it? Would you consider that an accurate description of what you believe? Let the LDS believe as they wish and they will do the same for you.
That's cool. I never once said that morman's don't do good things. But remember, good things don't get you into heaven. Just because they don't pick out a fault in another religion doesn't mean they are going to heaven. I was not raised to hate mormans. I was raised to love one another. it takes a heck of a lot more love to point out someones faults then it does to just act like they are doing great. I would genuinly like to know what you have to say to the following questions. Seeing as you never answered my others.

1. Can you show me in the Bible the LDS teaching that we must all stand before Joseph Smith on the Day of Judgment?

2. Since there are several different contradictory accounts of Joseph Smith’s first vision, how did the LDS Church choose the correct one?

3. Why did God encourage Abraham & Sarah to lie in Abraham 2:24? Isn’t lying a sin according to the 10 commandments? Why did God tell Abraham and Sarah to lie when 2 Nephi 9:34 condemns liars to hell?

4. Why does the Book of Mormon state that Jesus was born in Jerusalem (Alma 7:10) when history and the Bible state that he was born outside of Jerusalem, in Bethlehem?

5. If the Book of Mormon is the most correct of any book on earth, as Joseph Smith said, why does it contain over 4000 changes from the original 1830 edition?

6. Why do you baptize for the dead when both Mosiah 3:25 and the Bible state that there is no chance of salvation after death?

7. Why does the Book of Abraham, chapters 4 & 5, contradict Alma 11 in stating that there is more than one God?

8. If the Book of Mormon was engraved on gold plates thousands of years ago, why does it read in perfect 1611 King James Version English?

9. How can worthy Mormon males become Gods in the afterlife when God already said that before him no God was formed, nor will there be any Gods formed after him (Isaiah 43:10)?

10. Why does the Mormon Church teach that Elohim had sexual relations with Mary to produce Jesus when both Matthew and Luke teach she was a virgin (The Seer, January, 1853, p.158)?

11. Why does the LDS Church teach that Jesus paid for our sins in the garden of Gethsemane when 1 Peter 2:24 says it was on the cross?

Mormonism is a cult.
 
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That's cool. I never once said that morman's don't do good things. But remember, good things don't get you into heaven. Just because they don't pick out a fault in another religion doesn't mean they are going to heaven. I was not raised to hate mormans. I was raised to love one another. it takes a heck of a lot more love to point out someones faults then it does to just act like they are doing great. I would genuinly like to know what you have to say to the following questions. Seeing as you never answered my others.

1. Can you show me in the Bible the LDS teaching that we must all stand before Joseph Smith on the Day of Judgment?

2. Since there are several different contradictory accounts of Joseph Smith’s first vision, how did the LDS Church choose the correct one?

3. Why did God encourage Abraham & Sarah to lie in Abraham 2:24? Isn’t lying a sin according to the 10 commandments? Why did God tell Abraham and Sarah to lie when 2 Nephi 9:34 condemns liars to hell?

4. Why does the Book of Mormon state that Jesus was born in Jerusalem (Alma 7:10) when history and the Bible state that he was born outside of Jerusalem, in Bethlehem?

5. If the Book of Mormon is the most correct of any book on earth, as Joseph Smith said, why does it contain over 4000 changes from the original 1830 edition?

6. Why do you baptize for the dead when both Mosiah 3:25 and the Bible state that there is no chance of salvation after death?

7. Why does the Book of Abraham, chapters 4 & 5, contradict Alma 11 in stating that there is more than one God?

8. If the Book of Mormon was engraved on gold plates thousands of years ago, why does it read in perfect 1611 King James Version English?

9. How can worthy Mormon males become Gods in the afterlife when God already said that before him no God was formed, nor will there be any Gods formed after him (Isaiah 43:10)?

10. Why does the Mormon Church teach that Elohim had sexual relations with Mary to produce Jesus when both Matthew and Luke teach she was a virgin (The Seer, January, 1853, p.158)?

11. Why does the LDS Church teach that Jesus paid for our sins in the garden of Gethsemane when 1 Peter 2:24 says it was on the cross?

Mormonism is a cult.

If you're going to cut and paste questions from a site at least give the correct number. Don't try to hide it as your own question. Here is the site you got all of those questions from.

http://www.towertotruth.net/Mormon/witnessing/50_questions.htm

Now here is the correct number to all of those questions which you quoted word for word.

8. Can you show me in the Bible the LDS teaching that we must all stand before Joseph Smith on the Day of Judgment?

7. Since there are several different contradictory accounts of Joseph Smith’s first vision, how did the LDS Church choose the correct one?

14. Why did God encourage Abraham & Sarah to lie in Abraham 2:24? Isn’t lying a sin according to the 10 commandments? Why did God tell Abraham and Sarah to lie when 2 Nephi 9:34 condemns liars to hell?

15. Why does the Book of Mormon state that Jesus was born in Jerusalem (Alma 7:10) when history and the Bible state that he was born outside of Jerusalem, in Bethlehem?

16. If the Book of Mormon is the most correct of any book on earth, as Joseph Smith said, why does it contain over 4000 changes from the original 1830 edition?

19. Why do you baptize for the dead when both Mosiah 3:25 and the Bible state that there is no chance of salvation after death?

22. Why does the Book of Abraham, chapters 4 & 5, contradict Alma 11 in stating that there is more than one God?

27. If the Book of Mormon was engraved on gold plates thousands of years ago, why does it read in perfect 1611 King James Version English?

33. How can worthy Mormon males become Gods in the afterlife when God already said that before him no God was formed, nor will there be any Gods formed after him (Isaiah 43:10)?

37. Why does the Mormon Church teach that Elohim had sexual relations with Mary to produce Jesus when both Matthew and Luke teach she was a virgin (The Seer, January, 1853, p.158)?

38. Why does the LDS Church teach that Jesus paid for our sins in the garden of Gethsemane when 1 Peter 2:24 says it was on the cross?


You say you're not taught to hate but you can't even think of your own questions. It's not like it's hard to find the answers to these questions either. The only reason you haven't found the answers to these questions is because you haven't bothered to look at all. I don't know if you noticed but I gave a link in my post that addressed all 50 of those questions. They were actually directed at those exact 50 questions.

You were raised to love one another? You preach only love.

"Mormonism is a cult. Wake up and open your eyes."
"Mormonism is a cult."

"it takes a heck of a lot more love to point out someones faults then it does to just act like they are doing great."

ST MATTHEW
CHAPTER 7
3 And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother’s eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?
4 Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye?
5 Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother’s eye.
 
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Cako53

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If you're going to cut and paste questions from a site at least give the correct number. Don't try to hide it as your own question. Here is the site you got all of those questions from.

http://www.towertotruth.net/Mormon/witnessing/50_questions.htm

Now here is the correct number to all of those questions which you quoted word for word.

8. Can you show me in the Bible the LDS teaching that we must all stand before Joseph Smith on the Day of Judgment?

7. Since there are several different contradictory accounts of Joseph Smith’s first vision, how did the LDS Church choose the correct one?

14. Why did God encourage Abraham & Sarah to lie in Abraham 2:24? Isn’t lying a sin according to the 10 commandments? Why did God tell Abraham and Sarah to lie when 2 Nephi 9:34 condemns liars to hell?

15. Why does the Book of Mormon state that Jesus was born in Jerusalem (Alma 7:10) when history and the Bible state that he was born outside of Jerusalem, in Bethlehem?

16. If the Book of Mormon is the most correct of any book on earth, as Joseph Smith said, why does it contain over 4000 changes from the original 1830 edition?

19. Why do you baptize for the dead when both Mosiah 3:25 and the Bible state that there is no chance of salvation after death?

22. Why does the Book of Abraham, chapters 4 & 5, contradict Alma 11 in stating that there is more than one God?

27. If the Book of Mormon was engraved on gold plates thousands of years ago, why does it read in perfect 1611 King James Version English?

33. How can worthy Mormon males become Gods in the afterlife when God already said that before him no God was formed, nor will there be any Gods formed after him (Isaiah 43:10)?

37. Why does the Mormon Church teach that Elohim had sexual relations with Mary to produce Jesus when both Matthew and Luke teach she was a virgin (The Seer, January, 1853, p.158)?

38. Why does the LDS Church teach that Jesus paid for our sins in the garden of Gethsemane when 1 Peter 2:24 says it was on the cross?


You say you're not taught to hate but you can't even think of your own questions. It's not like it's hard to find the answers to these questions either. The only reason you haven't found the answers to these questions is because you haven't bothered to look at all. I don't know if you noticed but I gave a link in my post that addressed all 50 of those questions. They were actually directed at those exact 50 questions.

You were raised to love one another? You preach only love.

"Mormonism is a cult. Wake up and open your eyes."
"Mormonism is a cult."

"it takes a heck of a lot more love to point out someones faults then it does to just act like they are doing great."

ST MATTHEW
CHAPTER 7
3 And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother’s eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?
4 Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye?
5 Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother’s eye.
I never tried to hide them as my own. I simply condensed them into a list that I personally wanted to know. If I had all the numbers randomly around people would have wondered what the heck I was doing. It sounds to me like you are very accusing. Sounds like a lot of anger is built up. Yet again you have still left my questions unanswered. I see no point in continuing this conversation until you have proven how Mormonism is not a cult. Answering these questions would be a great start.
 
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can you two please take this into a private message it kind of takes away from the spirit of the topic :)
 
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I never tried to hide them as my own. I simply condensed them into a list that I personally wanted to know. If I had all the numbers randomly around people would have wondered what the heck I was doing. It sounds to me like you are very accusing. Sounds like a lot of anger is built up. Yet again you have still left my questions unanswered. I see no point in continuing this conversation until you have proven how Mormonism is not a cult. Answering these questions would be a great start.
Do you even read my posts? I already said twice that I gave a link addressing all 50 of those questions which you cut and pasted. It would have been easy for you to clarify where those questions came from.

"You could also go to LDS apologetic sites. http://www.fairlds.org/ or http://en.fairmormon.org/50_Answers There are many others if you would have taken two seconds to look."

Am I accusing you of something? If I'm accusing you of anything, it's spreading dishonesty about another persons faith just for the amusement of it. You made this post with the soul intention of ripping on the LDS faith. Do I have anger built up? Do you see me going out of my way to tear down other faiths? You say it's love to preach against lies but the only things you've said are untruthful. Is that what your church teaches you? To hate Mormons? To go tell Mormons their whole faith is of the devil?

#
Isa. 29: 13 (Bible)
13 ¶ Wherefore the Lord said, Forasmuch as this people draw near me with their mouth, and with their lips do honour me, but have removed their heart far from me, and their fear toward me is taught by the precept of men:

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Mark 7: 6 (Bible)
6 He answered and said unto them, Well hath Esaias prophesied of you hypocrites, as it is written, This people honoureth me with their lips, but their heart is far from me.

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2 Ne. 27: 25 (Book of Mormon)
25 Forasmuch as this people draw near unto me with their mouth, and with their lips do honor me, but have removed their hearts far from me, and their fear towards me is taught by the precepts of men—

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Mosiah 5: 13 (Book of Mormon)
13 For how knoweth a man the master whom he has not served, and who is a stranger unto him, and is far from the thoughts and intents of his heart?

ALMA (Book of Mormon)
CHAPTER 31
12 Now, when they had come into the land, behold, to their astonishment they found that the Zoramites had built synagogues, and that they did gather themselves together on one day of the week, which day they did call the day of the Lord; and they did worship after a manner which Alma and his brethren had never beheld;
13 For they had a place built up in the center of their synagogue, a place for standing, which was high above the head; and the top thereof would only admit one person.
14 Therefore, whosoever desired to worship must go forth and stand upon the top thereof, and stretch forth his hands towards heaven, and cry with a loud voice, saying:
15 Holy, holy God; we believe that thou art God, and we believe that thou art holy, and that thou wast a spirit, and that thou art a spirit, and that thou wilt be a spirit forever.
16 Holy God, we believe that thou hast separated us from our brethren; and we do not believe in the tradition of our brethren, which was handed down to them by the childishness of their fathers; but we believe that thou hast elected us to be thy holy children; and also thou hast made it known unto us that there shall be no Christ.
17 But thou art the same yesterday, today, and forever; and thou hast elected us that we shall be saved, whilst all around us are elected to be cast by thy wrath down to hell; for the which holiness, O God, we thank thee; and we also thank thee that thou hast elected us, that we may not be led away after the foolish traditions of our brethren, which doth bind them down to a belief of Christ, which doth lead their hearts to wander far from thee, our God.
18 And again we thank thee, O God, that we are a chosen and a holy people. Amen.
19 Now it came to pass that after Alma and his brethren and his sons had heard these prayers, they were astonished beyond all measure.
20 For behold, every man did go forth and offer up these same prayers.
21 Now the place was called by them Rameumptom, which, being interpreted, is the holy stand.

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JS-H 1: 19 (Joseph Smith History) http://scriptures.lds.org/en/js_h/1/19#19
19 “they draw near to me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me, they teach for doctrines the commandments of men, having a form of godliness, but they deny the power thereof.”



You're not exactly proving that point wrong.



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Matt. 7: 16, 20 (Bible)
16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?
• • •
20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.

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3 Ne. 14: 16, 20 (Book of Mormon)
16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?
• • •
20 Wherefore, by their fruits ye shall know them.


If you sincerely think it is love to tell the LDS they are brainwashed cultists then I would be surprised if you didn't go tell every obese person "You're fat and you need to lose some weight tubby. God doesn't like you being fat." I would be surprised if you didn't think gang member iniations were a form of love. I would expect you to go tell everyone in the world their problems which is why I listed

ST MATTHEW
CHAPTER 7
3 And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother’s eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?
4 Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye?
5 Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother’s eye.

You should take out the beam in your own eye before you go judging others. You should lead by example. What is your obsession with the LDS? Have they done something so terrible to you that you feel the need to go out of your way to tear them down? What just cause do you have? Is it simply because they disagree with your interpretation of scripture? If so grow up. Every faith is different and has different interpretations of scriptures. 2/3 of the world isn't even Christian.
 
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Cako53

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Do you even read my posts? I already said twice that I gave a link addressing all 50 of those questions which you cut and pasted. It would have been easy for you to clarify where those questions came from.

"You could also go to LDS apologetic sites. http://www.fairlds.org/ or http://en.fairmormon.org/50_Answers There are many others if you would have taken two seconds to look."

Am I accusing you of something? If I'm accusing you of anything, it's spreading dishonesty about another persons faith just for the amusement of it. You made this post with the soul intention of ripping on the LDS faith. Do I have anger built up? Do you see me going out of my way to tear down other faiths? You say it's love to preach against lies but the only things you've said are untruthful. Is that what your church teaches you? To hate Mormons? To go tell Mormons their whole faith is of the devil?

#
Isa. 29: 13 (Bible)
13 ¶ Wherefore the Lord said, Forasmuch as this people draw near me with their mouth, and with their lips do honour me, but have removed their heart far from me, and their fear toward me is taught by the precept of men:

#
Mark 7: 6 (Bible)
6 He answered and said unto them, Well hath Esaias prophesied of you hypocrites, as it is written, This people honoureth me with their lips, but their heart is far from me.

#
2 Ne. 27: 25 (Book of Mormon)
25 Forasmuch as this people draw near unto me with their mouth, and with their lips do honor me, but have removed their hearts far from me, and their fear towards me is taught by the precepts of men—

#
Mosiah 5: 13 (Book of Mormon)
13 For how knoweth a man the master whom he has not served, and who is a stranger unto him, and is far from the thoughts and intents of his heart?

ALMA (Book of Mormon)
CHAPTER 31
12 Now, when they had come into the land, behold, to their astonishment they found that the Zoramites had built synagogues, and that they did gather themselves together on one day of the week, which day they did call the day of the Lord; and they did worship after a manner which Alma and his brethren had never beheld;
13 For they had a place built up in the center of their synagogue, a place for standing, which was high above the head; and the top thereof would only admit one person.
14 Therefore, whosoever desired to worship must go forth and stand upon the top thereof, and stretch forth his hands towards heaven, and cry with a loud voice, saying:
15 Holy, holy God; we believe that thou art God, and we believe that thou art holy, and that thou wast a spirit, and that thou art a spirit, and that thou wilt be a spirit forever.
16 Holy God, we believe that thou hast separated us from our brethren; and we do not believe in the tradition of our brethren, which was handed down to them by the childishness of their fathers; but we believe that thou hast elected us to be thy holy children; and also thou hast made it known unto us that there shall be no Christ.
17 But thou art the same yesterday, today, and forever; and thou hast elected us that we shall be saved, whilst all around us are elected to be cast by thy wrath down to hell; for the which holiness, O God, we thank thee; and we also thank thee that thou hast elected us, that we may not be led away after the foolish traditions of our brethren, which doth bind them down to a belief of Christ, which doth lead their hearts to wander far from thee, our God.
18 And again we thank thee, O God, that we are a chosen and a holy people. Amen.
19 Now it came to pass that after Alma and his brethren and his sons had heard these prayers, they were astonished beyond all measure.
20 For behold, every man did go forth and offer up these same prayers.
21 Now the place was called by them Rameumptom, which, being interpreted, is the holy stand.

#
JS-H 1: 19 (Joseph Smith History) http://scriptures.lds.org/en/js_h/1/19#19
19 “they draw near to me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me, they teach for doctrines the commandments of men, having a form of godliness, but they deny the power thereof.”



You're not exactly proving that point wrong.



#
Matt. 7: 16, 20 (Bible)
16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?
• • •
20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.

#
3 Ne. 14: 16, 20 (Book of Mormon)
16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?
• • •
20 Wherefore, by their fruits ye shall know them.


If you sincerely think it is love to tell the LDS they are brainwashed cultists then I would be surprised if you didn't go tell every obese person "You're fat and you need to lose some weight tubby. God doesn't like you being fat." I would be surprised if you didn't think gang member iniations were a form of love. I would expect you to go tell everyone in the world their problems which is why I listed

ST MATTHEW
CHAPTER 7
3 And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother’s eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?
4 Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye?
5 Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother’s eye.

You should take out the beam in your own eye before you go judging others. You should lead by example. What is your obsession with the LDS? Have they done something so terrible to you that you feel the need to go out of your way to tear them down? What just cause do you have? Is it simply because they disagree with your interpretation of scripture? If so grow up. Every faith is different and has different interpretations of scriptures. 2/3 of the world isn't even Christian.
Every single quote from the book of mormon I didn't even bother reading. So when you say do you even read what I post, I am reading less and less with the more garbage you post.
 
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Every single quote from the book of mormon I didn't even bother reading. So when you say do you even read what I post, I am reading less and less with the more garbage you post.
You're obviously not looking for the truth. Why do you even ask for answers if you won't even look at them?