On the subject of homosexuality... (again)

[laoshanlung]

Sorry, guys, but I'm really drawn to this subject for some reason. Anyways, I was pondering the famous question of, "Is being gay a choice?" this evening, and I came to a conclusion: Unless you have strong faith in God, then NO, it is not a choice.

Woah, now; put those stones away for now, here's my reason: In a one-on-one battle between you and Satan (a.k.a. that thing that happens to every non-believer EVER at one point or another), Satan will ALWAYS get his way because he's a lot more influential than you are resistant. So even if you don't want to be gay, Satan will force the issue simply because God isn't there to intervene, and you will become gay in turn.

I have an example of this concept at work. When I was around 11 years old, I got into porn. I didn't even know why I got on the computer that afternoon and looked up something I NEVER should have, but I did. And then I was addicted for the next 5 years.

But I never actively made the decision to watch it. I cried myself to sleep that night because I knew I'd messed up. I never WANTED to watch those things. I felt so terrible about myself, how I'd become so covetous of women, but I kept watching anyways, even as awful as I felt about it. If my choice in the matter had ever amounted to anything, I would've stopped watching by the third day, but it didn't.

Back then, I was just figuring out the whole "trusting in God" thing, so I didn't even really turn to him. So, Satan had me under complete control for the next 5 years, until I finally fessed up in Church (best thing I ever did).

But what I'm trying to say is, sometimes the devil will force us to do things against our will, and if we don't have God to help us out (lookin' at you, non-believers), then we're basically screwed. So in that respect, being gay, a sin that Satan would absolutely LOVE for us to commit, is NO CHOICE AT ALL.

Anyone agree?

 

[Blain]

I agree that being sexually attracted to the same sex is not a choice but it is a choice of what to do about it. if being gay is a choice then I can suddenly choose to be sexually attracted to my chair but no matter how hard I try I cannot make myself be attracted to it

 

[kaylagrl]

Sorry, guys, but I'm really drawn to this subject for some reason. Anyways, I was pondering the famous question of, "Is being gay a choice?" this evening, and I came to a conclusion: Unless you have strong faith in God, then NO, it is not a choice.

Woah, now; put those stones away for now, here's my reason: In a one-on-one battle between you and Satan (a.k.a. that thing that happens to every non-believer EVER at one point or another), Satan will ALWAYS get his way because he's a lot more influential than you are resistant. So even if you don't want to be gay, Satan will force the issue simply because God isn't there to intervene, and you will become gay in turn.

I have an example of this concept at work. When I was around 11 years old, I got into porn. I didn't even know why I got on the computer that afternoon and looked up something I NEVER should have, but I did. And then I was addicted for the next 5 years.

But I never actively made the decision to watch it. I cried myself to sleep that night because I knew I'd messed up. I never WANTED to watch those things. I felt so terrible about myself, how I'd become so covetous of women, but I kept watching anyways, even as awful as I felt about it. If my choice in the matter had ever amounted to anything, I would've stopped watching by the third day, but it didn't.

Back then, I was just figuring out the whole "trusting in God" thing, so I didn't even really turn to him. So, Satan had me under complete control for the next 5 years, until I finally fessed up in Church (best thing I ever did).

But what I'm trying to say is, sometimes the devil will force us to do things against our will, and if we don't have God to help us out (lookin' at you, non-believers), then we're basically screwed. So in that respect, being gay, a sin that Satan would absolutely LOVE for us to commit, is NO CHOICE AT ALL.

Anyone agree?

While I see what you are trying to say its against what the Bible says.Satan cant make us do anything against our will.We can be severely tempted and give in. Our flesh gives in,our spirit doesnt want to. But no, the devil cant force us to sin. Homosexuality is a choice.

 

[Ugly]

Sounds as if the OP has the mentality of trying to justify sin by saying its out of our control. Then by saying such a thing a person is no longer held accountable. But this is not what the bible teaches. Sin is a choice, period.
As a heterosexual male it's no ones fault but mine if i give in to having sex with a woman. I can't say 'I was born this way' and have my sin excused. We're all born with a desire to sin. Whether it's drugs, drinking, homosexuality or whatever. Just because we're born with a leaning toward that sin doesn't justify it.
So even if a person feels unable to control their homosexual interests, they still have the responsibility to not act on them. Not feed them and give into them. Just like heterosexuals.

 

[aforgivensonofGod]

Sorry, guys, but I'm really drawn to this subject for some reason. Anyways, I was pondering the famous question of, "Is being gay a choice?" this evening, and I came to a conclusion: Unless you have strong faith in God, then NO, it is not a choice.

Woah, now; put those stones away for now, here's my reason: In a one-on-one battle between you and Satan (a.k.a. that thing that happens to every non-believer EVER at one point or another), Satan will ALWAYS get his way because he's a lot more influential than you are resistant. So even if you don't want to be gay, Satan will force the issue simply because God isn't there to intervene, and you will become gay in turn.

I have an example of this concept at work. When I was around 11 years old, I got into porn. I didn't even know why I got on the computer that afternoon and looked up something I NEVER should have, but I did. And then I was addicted for the next 5 years.

But I never actively made the decision to watch it. I cried myself to sleep that night because I knew I'd messed up. I never WANTED to watch those things. I felt so terrible about myself, how I'd become so covetous of women, but I kept watching anyways, even as awful as I felt about it. If my choice in the matter had ever amounted to anything, I would've stopped watching by the third day, but it didn't.

Back then, I was just figuring out the whole "trusting in God" thing, so I didn't even really turn to him. So, Satan had me under complete control for the next 5 years, until I finally fessed up in Church (best thing I ever did).

But what I'm trying to say is, sometimes the devil will force us to do things against our will, and if we don't have God to help us out (lookin' at you, non-believers), then we're basically screwed. So in that respect, being gay, a sin that Satan would absolutely LOVE for us to commit, is NO CHOICE AT ALL.

Anyone agree?

Hm...

What happens when a boy grows up and all he was taught was the koran. If you give him a Bible, would he believe it or shun you? He will probably shun you, and hate you.

What happens if someone grew up on T.V, and all they saw was the media constantly playing movies that showed gay marriage as being okay... Would that someone start to believe that it is okay? That someone will probably believe gay marriage is okay, but it isn't.

What happens if your father taught you to rape girls as a boy, and he told you that raping girls is how life is, and that's all you know... Would that boy know any difference if he was so much deceived? He wouldn't know that raping girls is wrong, unless he break his deception.

Will a person who is deceived know that he is being deceived? The answer is no. And the only way for that to break is if the holy Spirit breaks it to him.

Attraction isn't born or giving to you to like same-sex. If your dad fed you certain foods for long enough, you'll start to grow an adaption toward this food, and eventually find it okay to eat. Keep thinking you like boys for long enough, eventually you will. It's just something you have to break, that bondage that holds you in chain. Everyone of us has have or still have certain chains and bondage on us.

At first when it wasn't as strong in life, it was only threads, you let it go on long enough, it become ropes. After ropes, those bondage become chains, and chains are a lot harder to break than ropes and threads. While you're still on the thread and rope stage, break it now before it becomes harder.

 

[SistersByHeart]

I agree and disagree with you.

First let me say that I saw this post last night and had to sit and pray about whether or not to even post, because I tend to blow up over this topic.

I myself, have struggled with homosexuality for years. Is it a choice? Yes and no. In my opinion, the attraction you have for a person of the same sex is not a choice, but they way you choose to act on it is. Being attracted to a person of the same sex is not a sin (correct me if Im wrong on that one), but the act of being with someone of the same sex is a sin. It is a choice weather or not you chose to engage in a homosexual relationship. Satan can not MAKE you go into that relationship. You CHOSE to go into it.

 

[Calmador]

I agree that being sexually attracted to the same sex is not a choice but it is a choice of what to do about it. if being gay is a choice then I can suddenly choose to be sexually attracted to my chair but no matter how hard I try I cannot make myself be attracted to it

There are people who are not only sexually attracted to objects, but have also married them. Just so you know.

 

[Calmador]

Sorry, guys, but I'm really drawn to this subject for some reason. Anyways, I was pondering the famous question of, "Is being gay a choice?" this evening, and I came to a conclusion: Unless you have strong faith in God, then NO, it is not a choice.

Woah, now; put those stones away for now, here's my reason: In a one-on-one battle between you and Satan (a.k.a. that thing that happens to every non-believer EVER at one point or another), Satan will ALWAYS get his way because he's a lot more influential than you are resistant. So even if you don't want to be gay, Satan will force the issue simply because God isn't there to intervene, and you will become gay in turn.

I have an example of this concept at work. When I was around 11 years old, I got into porn. I didn't even know why I got on the computer that afternoon and looked up something I NEVER should have, but I did. And then I was addicted for the next 5 years.

But I never actively made the decision to watch it. I cried myself to sleep that night because I knew I'd messed up. I never WANTED to watch those things. I felt so terrible about myself, how I'd become so covetous of women, but I kept watching anyways, even as awful as I felt about it. If my choice in the matter had ever amounted to anything, I would've stopped watching by the third day, but it didn't.

Back then, I was just figuring out the whole "trusting in God" thing, so I didn't even really turn to him. So, Satan had me under complete control for the next 5 years, until I finally fessed up in Church (best thing I ever did).

But what I'm trying to say is, sometimes the devil will force us to do things against our will, and if we don't have God to help us out (lookin' at you, non-believers), then we're basically screwed. So in that respect, being gay, a sin that Satan would absolutely LOVE for us to commit, is NO CHOICE AT ALL.

Anyone agree?

The problem with your entire argument is that you've taken out THE choice to resist sin out of the picture. You've taken out the choice of man to choose God. People can always choose God. So, you've sort of created an illusion of there being no choice in ignoring or setting that choice apart. It's sort of like saying this... "well people who can't choose chocolate ice cream... those people can't choose chocolate ice cream." Of course they can't choose chocolate ice cream if that choice is taken away. Hope that makes sense.

In case you or anyone is wondering... about homosexuality being genetic, I've take a class with professor Nancy Sagel who actually does a lot of twin studies. When she brought up homosexuality her results were a correlation between twins being guy... I forget the exact number. But basically when twins are born, twins who have identical genetics, one can turn out straight and the other can be gay. This either proves or shows extremely strong evidence that homosexuality is not genetic and is choice.

Also, there's been twin studies specifically about homosexuality. They took twins to study and in their studies they basically concluded that quote “No-one is born gay"

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