Not more christian , now a Truth seeker.

[kaylagrl]

Well according to him there are 4 tests a religion must pass, so we can know it is the true one, and only christianity passes those 4 tests.

The test being
Origin
Meaning
Morality
and Destiny

He automatically excludes Islam from being a considerable religion due to the apperance that it has a historical error (regarding the death of Jesus) . Well let's take a look at the historical errors in the bible Historical Errors in the Gospels..


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historicity_of_the_Bible

So that really isn't a good argument because both religions are filled with historical innacuracies

So when I am reading an article I want to know who the author is. Before I began to read your link on historical errors I hit the top of the page to find the author. It led me to this...

Islam the True Religion of god almighty.

Hardly unbiased now is it? And next you post a Wiki link. While I can see using Wiki on certain subjects I would hardly consider it an authority on the historicity of the Bible. I highly doubt any scholar work their salt would either.

For an honest answer read "Evidence that Demands a Verdict." You will find it very challenging.

 

[Tintin]

And I repeat: You don't have a foundation for reasoning anything unless the one true God of the Bible is true.

 

[Bassey]

You don't have a foundation for reasoning anything unless the one true God of the Bible is true.

Why do you say so? Why not the diety of any other religion ?

 

[popeye]

After questioning faith and beliefs , it all dawned to me that I didn't choose to believe what I believed because it is true, I chose to believe it, because of family and societal factors I was raised in made me to accept it as the one true way.

I'm now taking a scientific approach towards the truth, I didn't depart from Christianity, Christianity departed from me as I searched more and more.

I didn't immediately drop my faith, It just started out by with me having existential questions and thoughts and later at some point on the way I decided to drop it and take a neutral stance. That's when I left religion, the reasoning behind that was if I still kept my beliefs and searched for the truth then I'll have a bias and mental barricades set.


So I had to 'de-program' myself, (essentially I withdrew myself from all christian doctrines, beliefs and biblical worldview) it was a hard thing to do, but it occured in stages, I didn't associate with any religion what so ever, it did feel liberating and I saw the world in a whole new way, and then I decided to take a scientific based approach and head wherever the evidence leads me to. If it leads me back to my faith then so be it, if it leads me to somewhere else then so be it.

Just to clarify ,I didn't search to disprove or prove the bible. I wasn't mad at God or 'deceived by evil doctrines' or left the religion so I could sin or what not. It was just an innocent search for the truth , about life, existential questions, spirituality, is there a God or gods etc.

I saw lots of things that didn't fit what I used to believe in, I saw the errors in the bible, I saw what things I never knew about (Just to name a few) things like Extra Terrestrials, Reincarnation, Real age of the Universe. That which you can't criticize controls you. Now that I look at Now that I'm a freethinker, and true to myself. I was able to truly see and admit to all the attrocities and evil by Yahweh in the old testament, the logical issue with the problem of evil, and his mode of punishment.

I've also decided that if infact the 'God' of the universe turns out to be the Hebrew deity Yahweh, I wouldn't give him that admiration, because I don't root tyrannical, cruel and narcissistic figures of authority. In the same way I wouldn't stand for Hitler simply because he was a figure of authority.

IN SUMMARY: Questioning my faith has lead me to a whole new perspective, the bible isn't innerant , there is more to life and the universe that you are unaware about, Truth is out there, and I encourage everyone to actually do their research.

I'm now taking a scientific approach towards the truth, I didn't depart from Christianity, Christianity departed from me as I searched more and more.

Nope. Jesus is still where he was when you were born.

I saw lots of things that didn't fit what I used to believe in, I saw the errors in the bible, I saw what things I never knew about (Just to name a few) things like Extra Terrestrials, Reincarnation, Real age of the Universe. That which you can't criticize controls you. Now that I look at Now that I'm a freethinker, and true to myself. I was able to truly see and admit to all the attrocities and evil by Yahweh in the old testament, the logical issue with the problem of evil, and his mode of punishment.

You slam someone who suffered and died for you?
You never were a christian,because any babe in christ knows this basic truth.
You may go to a narcissists mode and say something like " i prayed that a bus would stop for me and it didn't so I got mad at God and went with the devil"
But you can not slam a God/person that gave their life for you. Jesus loves you in spite of your narcissistic rabbit trail you set out on.

Jesus requires a commitment.

That's a brand new word for young uns.

 

[Bassey]

Nope. Jesus is still where he was when you were born.


You slam someone who suffered and died for you?
You never were a christian,because any babe in christ knows this basic truth.
You may go to a narcissists mode and say something like " i prayed that a bus would stop for me and it didn't so I got mad at God and went with the devil"
But you can not slam a God/person that gave their life for you. Jesus loves you in spite of your narcissistic rabbit trail you set out on.

Jesus requires a commitment.

That's a brand new word for young uns.

So 'God' came down in flesh so he can grow up to be 33 years old, then be killed by roman soldiers, so that we people of today can escape his cruel wrath and punishment that he himself had set?

 

[integerlost]

After questioning faith and beliefs , it all dawned to me that I didn't choose to believe what I believed because it is true, I chose to believe it, because of family and societal factors I was raised in made me to accept it as the one true way.

I'm now taking a scientific approach towards the truth, I didn't depart from Christianity, Christianity departed from me as I searched more and more.

I didn't immediately drop my faith, It just started out by with me having existential questions and thoughts and later at some point on the way I decided to drop it and take a neutral stance. That's when I left religion, the reasoning behind that was if I still kept my beliefs and searched for the truth then I'll have a bias and mental barricades set.


So I had to 'de-program' myself, (essentially I withdrew myself from all christian doctrines, beliefs and biblical worldview) it was a hard thing to do, but it occured in stages, I didn't associate with any religion what so ever, it did feel liberating and I saw the world in a whole new way, and then I decided to take a scientific based approach and head wherever the evidence leads me to. If it leads me back to my faith then so be it, if it leads me to somewhere else then so be it.

Just to clarify ,I didn't search to disprove or prove the bible. I wasn't mad at God or 'deceived by evil doctrines' or left the religion so I could sin or what not. It was just an innocent search for the truth , about life, existential questions, spirituality, is there a God or gods etc.

I saw lots of things that didn't fit what I used to believe in, I saw the errors in the bible, I saw what things I never knew about (Just to name a few) things like Extra Terrestrials, Reincarnation, Real age of the Universe. That which you can't criticize controls you. Now that I look at Now that I'm a freethinker, and true to myself. I was able to truly see and admit to all the attrocities and evil by Yahweh in the old testament, the logical issue with the problem of evil, and his mode of punishment.

I've also decided that if infact the 'God' of the universe turns out to be the Hebrew deity Yahweh, I wouldn't give him that admiration, because I don't root tyrannical, cruel and narcissistic figures of authority. In the same way I wouldn't stand for Hitler simply because he was a figure of authority.

IN SUMMARY: Questioning my faith has lead me to a whole new perspective, the bible isn't innerant , there is more to life and the universe that you are unaware about, Truth is out there, and I encourage everyone to actually do their research.

God is not good or evil, he knows what good and evil is, it's his eye that remains shut until he needs to see knowledge. Understand, the character Yahweh appears to be good or evil due to the fact the human race can not perceive any communication from him greater than good or evil. He warned us from the beginning what the tree of knowledge will do if we eat from it while a snakes on there. A snake is a person who is spiritually dead and wants others to die.

 

[Bassey]

So when I am reading an article I want to know who the author is. Before I began to read your link on historical errors I hit the top of the page to find the author. It led me to this...

Islam the True Religion of god almighty.

Hardly unbiased now is it? And next you post a Wiki link. While I can see using Wiki on certain subjects I would hardly consider it an authority on the historicity of the Bible. I highly doubt any scholar work their salt would either.

For an honest answer read "Evidence that Demands a Verdict." You will find it very challenging.

You want me to read a book talking about the truth from Christain sources, I'm preety sure that would be biased.
As I said in my intro, Ill stick to being non religious, to avoid any bias, inclination or predisposition in my search for truth.

Besides Life is also better this way.

 

[Willie-T]

You want me to read a book talking about the truth from Christain sources, I'm preety sure that would be biased.
As I said in my intro, Ill stick to being non religious, to avoid any bias, inclination or predisposition in my search for truth.

Besides Life is also better this way.

Well, make it count, 'cause you've probably only got 55 or 60 years of it left. LOL

 

[Bassey]

God is not good or evil, he knows what good and evil is, it's his eye that remains shut until he needs to see knowledge. Understand, the character Yahweh appears to be good or evil due to the fact the human race can not perceive any communication from him greater than good or evil. He warned us from the beginning what the tree of knowledge will do if we eat from it while a snakes on there. A snake is a person who is spiritually dead and wants others to die.

When you say God , I wan't you to remeber there are millions of Gods out there and you don't know which one is real or supreme or how things work in the spiritual realm.

You also make an assertion about the Garden of Eden, there is no proof such a place existed, or such an event ever happened. If you want to make assertions , it must be something with scientific backing. Otherwise it's well.... a belief.

And really I'm not intrested in beliefs anymore, I just care about facts not faith .

 

[MultilingualMessenger]

IN SUMMARY: Questioning my faith has lead me to a whole new perspective, the bible isn't innerant , there is more to life and the universe that you are unaware about, Truth is out there, and I encourage everyone to actually do their research.

Truth is a person; His name is Jesus.

John 14:6 - "I am the Way, the Truth, and the Life. No one comes to the Father except through Me."

 

[Bassey]

Truth is a person; His name is Jesus.

John 14:6 - "I am the Way, the Truth, and the Life. No one comes to the Father except through Me."

All you're doing is making a claim without any evidence. It's no different from me saying a super hero chracter in a comic book is the strongest being in the universe, because the comic book says so.

Or vampires exists because the movie I watched had vampires in them. Just because you believe in the bible doesn't make it true.

 

[kaylagrl]

You want me to read a book talking about the truth from Christain sources, I'm preety sure that would be biased.
As I said in my intro, Ill stick to being non religious, to avoid any bias, inclination or predisposition in my search for truth.

Besides Life is also better this way.

But you're not unbiased or an honest seeker. You're not being non religious. You gave me a link whose "facts" came from Islams worldview. Its only fair that I give you advice about a book on apologetics. We're talking about religion,you're asking questions about religion so you can't be non religious,that doesn't even make sense.

 

[Tintin]

When you say God , I wan't you to remeber there are millions of Gods out there and you don't know which one is real or supreme or how things work in the spiritual realm.

You also make an assertion about the Garden of Eden, there is no proof such a place existed, or such an event ever happened. If you want to make assertions , it must be something with scientific backing. Otherwise it's well.... a belief.

And really I'm not intrested in beliefs anymore, I just care about facts not faith .

The scientific method involves belief in an orderly and logical universe. But the world at large believes everything is one cosmic accident of chance and that truth is relative. So they're stealing from God to try to refute Him and His existence.

 

[MultilingualMessenger]

All you're doing is making a claim without any evidence. It's no different from me saying a super hero chracter in a comic book is the strongest being in the universe, because the comic book says so.

Or vampires exists because the movie I watched had vampires in them.

That just shows me you haven't really looked for evidence. It's easy to say there's no evidence when you haven't done your fair share of research. You're not giving us any revelations in what you're saying; a lot of us read from this same script at 18 (or later, for some of us). It might make you feel smart at the time, but it doesn't make you any more enlightened; it's just a conscious choice to stay in the dark.

I'll leave you to your research.

 

[Bassey]

But you're not unbiased or an honest seeker. You're not being non religious. You gave me a link whose "facts" came from Islams worldview. Its only fair that I give you advice about a book on apologetics. We're talking about religion,you're asking questions about religion so you can't be non religious,that doesn't even make sense.

I wont read a christain apologetic any more than I would read a muslim apologetic. They are fond of rationalizing their way around the 'uneven edges', I'll just follow evidence wherever it leads me, rather than being made to see things from one narrow perspective.. If I may ask were you raised in a christian household?

 

[Bassey]

I've seen that same argument, one too many times. Again I think God is a very vague term. I also dont think it's a belief, but just a conclusion based on our observation that the universe does follow laws and mathematical principles.

Again I'm not saying there is no god, I just haven't seen any objective evidence for any god or diety. Maybe there was a creator to what we see, maybe the answer is a lot more complicated, who knows?

 

[kaylagrl]

All you're doing is making a claim without any evidence. It's no different from me saying a super hero chracter in a comic book is the strongest being in the universe, because the comic book says so.

Or vampires exists because the movie I watched had vampires in them. Just because you believe in the bible doesn't make it true.

People were martyred,were thrown to the lions,crucified for their belief in Jesus. Its a little more complicated than comic book heroes.

 

[kaylagrl]

I wont read a christain apologetic any more than I would read a muslim apologetic. They are fond of rationalizing their way around the 'uneven edges', I'll just follow evidence wherever it leads me, rather than being made to see things from one narrow perspective.. If I may ask were you raised in a christian household?

So are you simply ignoring the fact I pointed out or not going to answer it? The link you gave was a website in support of the Islamic faith. You aren't following evidence,you're ignoring it. You've made up your mind,you're not being honest. You say you'll follow the evidence but if it leads to Christ the evidence has to be false. That being biased. You're not a free thinker at all,and you can't even be honest with yourself about it.

 

[Bassey]

That just shows me you haven't really looked for evidence. It's easy to say there's no evidence when you haven't done your fair share of research. You're not giving us any revelations in what you're saying; a lot of us read from this same script at 18 (or later, for some of us). It might make you feel smart at the time, but it doesn't make you any more enlightened; it's just a conscious choice to stay in the dark.

I'll leave you to your research.

What I'm saying is religion is a faith based system without real evidence to back up it's claim. From the 7 days of creation, to the garden of eden, to adam and eve,

to it's very core tenets like Yahweh being the supreme being and Jesus being his only son, heaven and hell etc.


There really is no evidence backing up this claims. You didn't discover these to be true, you simply accepted it because you happened to be brought up in a christian setting, if you were born in muslim nations , you would adopt their beliefs, if you were born in the era of the Vikings you would have been believing in Thor, If you were born in ancient greece, you would have been believing in Zues.

There is nothing special about religious beliefs, it's mostly the product of geographical location and family upbringing. None can support their claims. It's up to people to abandon childish beliefs and do the searching ourselves, investigate reality and existence yourself not what religion says but what the evidence says.

 

[Tintin]

I've seen that same argument, one too many times. Again I think God is a very vague term. I also dont think it's a belief, but just a conclusion based on our observation that the universe does follow laws and mathematical principles.

Again I'm not saying there is no god, I just haven't seen any objective evidence for any god or diety. Maybe there was a creator to what we see, maybe the answer is a lot more complicated, who knows?

You've heard that argument one too many times? Oh, really? I don't think you've heard it enough. I don't think you understand what a belief is. Also, the universe can't follow natural laws and mathematical principles if we're all one cosmic accident of chance and if truth is relative.

Let's talk morals.
How do you define good and evil? People like Hitler were considered good by some and evil by many others, but how did those people define good and evil? In a post-modern world where truth is relative, good and evil don't exist. Except they do, don't they? For example: we rage when people are harmed, especially children. Where does that come from? You can't say good and evil are defined by cultures. Cultures change. Finally, the vast majority of ancient world cultures, at some point in their history, practised cannibalism. It was good to them. Is it good to us? No? Why? You don't have a leg to stand on.