Hey guys, I'm struggling with obsessive thoughts....

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So I have posted a similar question but I still sorta struggle with this and it leaves me feeling hopeless and depressed a lot.

So I have been struggling with OCD (I think) pretty much ever since I became a Christian when I was 9 (I'm 16 now by the way). I always got obsessive thoughts to do something, or else I would think that I'm not with Christ and that I'm with the enemy.

I also got thoughts that I might have sold my soul to the devil. I would cry so much with these obsessive thoughts. I kept getting the thought about selling my soul to the point were I had this feeling that I had to say, 'I sell my soul.' I don't know why I had the feeling when I was so afraid of it in the first place. I think the thought came from the devil himself. So even though I didn't want to say it, I actually said it. This always makes me think, what if I did sell my soul to satan and what if I meant it. I still struggle with it and I always say, 'I am not with satan, I am with Jesus Christ.' And 'My soul is not with satan, my soul is with Jesus Christ.' until I'm relieved. but the thought keeps entering my mind and I sometimes feel that I'm believing it. This makes my relationship with God not feel much like a relationship a lot. it almost feels like some sort of ritual sometimes because I keep repeating these things to neglect the obsessive thoughts.

this makes me feel disconnected a lot with God. and the doubts that make me think that my soul may not be with God but with satan leaves me hopeless a lot. I keep struggling with this and I hate it so much. It honestly is the worst feeling because sometimes I feel doomed to hell. Thanks for helping if you can. God Bless.
 
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Hey Ges
Sadly there is not a lot that can be done about it. You can look into medications.
My best friend has very similar issues. She has OCD and it causes her to question her salvation when it kicks in. After a year of trying to help her i have learned that i Can't help her when she starts those thoughts. There is no reasoning, no logic, no truth that can change her thinking. I can only wait until the 'attack' (as i call it) wears off. The most i can do for her is help to minimize the effects of the thoughts. Try to keep her from spiraling down too much, as she is also prone to anxiety attacks. Sometimes she'll get the thought and 10 minutes later it's past and won't happen again for days or weeks. Other times the thoughts/fears on this last for hours. Or they keep popping up over and over for days. It's really hard on her and i feel so bad and wish i could do more.
My best suggestion is look into some counseling and possible medication to minimize the problem.
Don't know if it helps any to know you aren't the only one that deals with it. Especially during an attack. Just keep in mind that God knows your heart. Your heart is more vital than your thoughts. I wouldn't say that to everyone, but due to your circumstances i think it is a good thing for you to know. So no matter how hard you are struggling with your thoughts on this subject, God recognizes it's a mind condition and not a heart condition and He would not abandon you or give up on you because of it.
 
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JustWhoIAm

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So I have posted a similar question but I still sorta struggle with this and it leaves me feeling hopeless and depressed a lot.

So I have been struggling with OCD (I think) pretty much ever since I became a Christian when I was 9 (I'm 16 now by the way). I always got obsessive thoughts to do something, or else I would think that I'm not with Christ and that I'm with the enemy.

I also got thoughts that I might have sold my soul to the devil. I would cry so much with these obsessive thoughts. I kept getting the thought about selling my soul to the point were I had this feeling that I had to say, 'I sell my soul.' I don't know why I had the feeling when I was so afraid of it in the first place. I think the thought came from the devil himself. So even though I didn't want to say it, I actually said it. This always makes me think, what if I did sell my soul to satan and what if I meant it. I still struggle with it and I always say, 'I am not with satan, I am with Jesus Christ.' And 'My soul is not with satan, my soul is with Jesus Christ.' until I'm relieved. but the thought keeps entering my mind and I sometimes feel that I'm believing it. This makes my relationship with God not feel much like a relationship a lot. it almost feels like some sort of ritual sometimes because I keep repeating these things to neglect the obsessive thoughts.

this makes me feel disconnected a lot with God. and the doubts that make me think that my soul may not be with God but with satan leaves me hopeless a lot. I keep struggling with this and I hate it so much. It honestly is the worst feeling because sometimes I feel doomed to hell. Thanks for helping if you can. God Bless.
May the Lord lead you to security and recovery. May he mend your spirit and put a well of living water and blessed assurance where that void is. Amen.
 

blue_ladybug

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It is absolutely impossible to sell your soul to satan. God owns our souls, and He's not in the business of buying and selling them, trading them or loaning them out to the enemy. :) Never fear, your soul is GOD'S and God's ONLY. :)
 

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I have enough trouble always believing in God without having to deal with Satan and soul-selling. Just pray or talk to your Pastor.
 
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DoubtingSam

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So I have posted a similar question but I still sorta struggle with this and it leaves me feeling hopeless and depressed a lot.

So I have been struggling with OCD (I think) pretty much ever since I became a Christian when I was 9 (I'm 16 now by the way). I always got obsessive thoughts to do something, or else I would think that I'm not with Christ and that I'm with the enemy.

I also got thoughts that I might have sold my soul to the devil. I would cry so much with these obsessive thoughts. I kept getting the thought about selling my soul to the point were I had this feeling that I had to say, 'I sell my soul.' I don't know why I had the feeling when I was so afraid of it in the first place. I think the thought came from the devil himself. So even though I didn't want to say it, I actually said it. This always makes me think, what if I did sell my soul to satan and what if I meant it. I still struggle with it and I always say, 'I am not with satan, I am with Jesus Christ.' And 'My soul is not with satan, my soul is with Jesus Christ.' until I'm relieved. but the thought keeps entering my mind and I sometimes feel that I'm believing it. This makes my relationship with God not feel much like a relationship a lot. it almost feels like some sort of ritual sometimes because I keep repeating these things to neglect the obsessive thoughts.

this makes me feel disconnected a lot with God. and the doubts that make me think that my soul may not be with God but with satan leaves me hopeless a lot. I keep struggling with this and I hate it so much. It honestly is the worst feeling because sometimes I feel doomed to hell. Thanks for helping if you can. God Bless.
It sounds like you may have OCD. Google scrupulosity and you can read more about it. I have OCD to the exteme and have had it since about age 16. My obsessions are more to do with hoarding and checking and cleaning, but I do have a little of the scrupulosity. To a degree, I can understand what you are feeling. The important thing is to make sure that you understand what is real, and what is your OCD. My brother doesn't struggle with the things I do, but he's always questioning his salvation, does he love God enough, did he pray the right way, etc. I think he would probably be diagnosed OCD. Sadly, the Bible does not address mental illness, so we have to navigate our way through it with uncertainty. Don't expect a lot of compassion from Christians, but don't let their views affect the way you see God. The Bible is clear that salvation is free and available to all, and that once you come to God, you are sealed and cannot lose your salvation to Satan or anything else in this world. The fact that you're so concerned about being right with God is evidence that you are his. The world is lost, and they don't think like that. They don't care. So I think it's probably just OCD, and you're going to struggle with it. But you aren't alone, other people that love God have this and many other issues that we will all have to deal with until the day Jesus wipes away every tear. But that day is coming. You have hope if you have Christ, and hope is the only thing worth living for.
 
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Leneah

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I think you should have trust is God. i know that stuff is scary and real but if you have trust in God, he is so much stronger then anything, even satan. and depression (if that's what it is) doesn't go away in a day, so if you wake up and still feel sad and you want to cry and break, don't think it's over, don't think you can't over come this; because you can, trust me. keep pushing and trying and praying and things will slowly become better mate, believe me. God is always there, leave it to him.
 
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rdbseekingafterhim

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God is the great comforter. Any time you have these thoughts crop up just lay them at the cross and ask that Jesus rrelieves you of your care and burdens. Rebuke satan and his lies in the name of Jesus. Place your full trust in God and Jesus. Satan will use any lie he can to try to break you. He'll put guilt trips on you. Any negative thoughts are of the devil know them for what they are and rebuke them in the name of Jesus and pray for your cares and stresses be taken away.
 
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CaseyH

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i also have ocd. i have been using homeopathic medicine and it helps.
 
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If this is real then you are being harassed by some spirit or group, seems like the root of it is they don't want you at peace, constantly bombarding you, wanting you to believe you sold your soul. I can attempt to give you advice.

First off, these beings do what works, if constantly bombarding you works they will keep doing it.

It stems from a fear that if safety in your religion can be attained so easily that it can also be taken away very easily. Somewhere in your thoughts you think that your salvation can be lost with even just the tiniest slip of belief, that you can be defeated by not being on guard all the time, your religion does tell you to be vigilant watching for your enemy, but that doesn't mean you are constantly at risk of losing your blessings or soul.

Calm down. Your relationship with jesus is supposed to mean peace. Right now, say, I know my relationship with you is supposed to mean peace in this life, stop my enemy from robbing me of your promises where I can't, or he will cause you to have lied, and you are not a liar! and close your eyes, and let him work his will over his enemy. You cannot be destroyed by your enemy! you cannot lose your salvation over a word. You do not have to reaffirm anything that you know.

Your feelings over this life are unfounded, everytime you hear your enemy call you saying you saying "you have done" you don't have to speak, you don't have to concern, you don't have to remind, don't let your enemy have your peace, if it happens again, ignore it, if you spoke those words, say "see creator this is what I was talking about, help me with this," speak with him directly, and maintain your piece despite the content of the words.
 
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Also, and be prepared for an attack if you consider this, the level of what your going through is rare, people get a tempting thought at times, but constant warfare is not common, and especially since the what they're attacking you with amounts to immediate condemnation, constantly, suggests to me, there's something inside you they don't want to hurt, they want it dead, there's a world of possible evil to cause, they are targeting you, which means turning you away from christianity is more worth so far seven years of their time, simply by hearing how your attacked, makes me believe there's something significant in you related to religious things, this is the kind of measures these being take to stop things like prophecy, so what I gather is that, as a christian, you would do important things, for The Creator against the will of the enemy, so when you became a christian at childhood, these beings decided to always attack you, to rob your peace, to make you feel overwhelmed, to give you something to do other than focus on what you want to do, to make trying to know your God seem like something difficult, to make you fear, to make you cry, and to make the source of it look although to your credit your already not fooled by this look like it's your faith, I am almost certain you are being attacked for a reason more than the typical reason, perhaps your something better than some.

The relationship described throughout the torah for most people is not the same kind of relationship you might have with a buddy, where you call them up constantly and go do stuff. Usually, the relationship is your told what you need to know, and left to do what you do most of the time, and if you need to learn something else, he will come back and tell you, He's really not something you are in contact with all of the time, although, at any moment you can pray and contact him, your not only alone, your trusted to be alone a lot of the time. So there will be times you feel disconnected, and constantly asking and worrying about salvation, which is a solid, unchanging thing, your asking for the enemy to come mess with you, if you went a year between asking "do I have to worry about punishment?", and the entire year you were sinning, fornicating, swearing, drinking, practicing witchcraft, talking with spirits, and such, and at the end of a year of it you remembered your faith, and asked the question again, "is it that im condemned?" the answer would still be "no, fear not," no amount of input of bad thoughts by your enemy will change that, all they can do is what they can physically effect, which is to give you a headache from the constant attacks, but hold on to your faith, because no where in that text was a promise made that was dependent or influenceable by the presence of an enemy, but if you can so easily be convinced, your showing showing doubt in what your creator, and for that you can get punished or simply left to your enemy to do his will. when the enemy comes, say, just one time, that you are in your saviors care, you trust your God, and there's nothing you can say or do, to make me doubt in their power or willingness to protect me.

"He will not come"
"He honors those who stand for what he taught,"
"You're just a small boy from England."
"but believing in His promises and simply even relying on them, makes me more than," that
"Don't you see that your with the enemy (starts repeating)"
"Cease! there's nothing you can say to make yourself matter in what is between me and my Creator,"
"But I'm right here and it looks like your alone,"
"Even if I have been alone my life up til this moment, I call upon him, I stand for what he told me to, nowhere is there reason to believe I will not be honored,"
"But you can't just say you have him and have him" (clever line because it tempts you to think this is what your doing, thinking this would be doubting and the outcome might change if you get to this point and doubt)
"I will not be deceived into doubting and insulting my Creator outright, be gone from here there is nothing more to talk about,"
 
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I used to struggle with OCD as well. I completely understand the feeling of knowing that something is completely ridiculous, but you have to do it anyway. I prayed about it a lot, but what really helped was when I found a great Christian therapist and talked to her about it. It took some time (2 months?), but I was able to overcome my OCD. Don't be scared to see a therapist; seeing one doesn't mean that you are crazy or strange, it simply means that you are admitting that you need help.
 
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Noble_Wolf

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It is absolutely impossible to sell your soul to satan. God owns our souls, and He's not in the business of buying and selling them, trading them or loaning them out to the enemy. :) Never fear, your soul is GOD'S and God's ONLY. :)


Amen to that sister.
 
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peace, keep reading IF YOU feel an obsessive desire to not read this and skip over it, or obsessive movements are not allowing you to read and understand, question why something would want to keep you from this.

faith is a measure of belief, it is defined as the more confident you are about it, the more you have.

Nobody ever prescribed doing obsessive movements as a way to be close to God. believing you must do these things to, be so close, is actually a problem of having little faith.

some lines from the Bible which could relate are,

"no one could pluck you from the hand He holds you in"

"they asked jesus, 'why couldn't we cast out the demon... ...jesus replied, 'because of your lack of faith' then did himself"

If you believe being a Christian makes you saved, this would make it a fact in your world, not in moments. This salvation is based solely on believing and trusting. It does not change if you do things a certain way, walk through the door a certain way, or step on a specific place. With faith, you could walk through the door anyway you want. step anywhere wanted, walk down the isle without having to do anything particular, because it is not through these actions you were saved, it is through your belief in jesus you believe you are saved. Also to go even further on this, this belief in small actions getting you saved would actually be disrespectful to your faith, because it means relying on another means to access the grace He gave you than means you were given. Meaning these movements, though not inherently sin, represents a contrary belief to the belief He gave to you. The outcome of them is believing in them as a means of salvation other than God, which means you are providing beliefs other than what He says to you, trusting in yourself more than God. This does make these movements not sin, but an actual insult to the salvation He gave you, because the salvation was meant to allow you to relax and feel saved even when you made mistakes, not turn your life into a difficult thing where you have to be more on guard against mistakes, your feelings about these movements are opposing everything He did for you and wants you to be, do you really think anyone in heaven is looking down and saying, "he better walk this right or he doesn't deserve receiving salvation," when it says they are up there saying, "no man is perfect and they have to be forgiven of there wrong doings to be saved, and there's no other way salvation will work," of course not. Have more faith! the decision you made when you are nine is with you every moment since, or it was not of God. It doesn't matter if you make a certain move or not, decide to do something or not, the Bible teaches, it means trying to do what is good in the sight of God, and being forgiven for mistakes you and everybody else WILL make. Try to see maintaining faith as sillier to building a resistance to something, believe it does not matter for 15 seconds if you are currently only going 5 without doing a compulsion thinking it determines salvation. Work your way to believing you've already done all requirements for salvation, hold this belief for as long as you can every singe time.

The statutes in scripture almost always represents something, eating unfit food represent a willingness to not take your gift of body seriously enough to take care of it, not resting when prescribed represents seeing importance in things achievable through work than God. The idea of loving thy neighbor is recognition of us all being a representation of a part of our ancestors, each person not the same but a different part of who they were. Not acting in anger is like resting to, representing nothing which can make you angry is more important than violating this statute from God. Your compulsive actions, what do they represent? hearing you speak of them, they appear to represent, lack of faith in being told to trust He saves you even without your being perfect, so in the same way we could view the scripture your actions represent something like all these statues, and when viewed, it becomes visible, your compulsions are directly opposed to the general meaning behind the scriptures.

Do not worry about selling a soul. Genesis 9, says He told all mankind he would demand their blood (some versions say soul or use the two side by side suggesting interchangeability) and it also says blood is the soul of the animal. Even if you did sell your soul, this scripture suggests He would show up and demand it anyhow, from you, or anyone who has it, even the enemy.

So selling your soul does not work, if you do believe you have made such a deal, go back on it (your soul is still in you if you are alive), say on second thought, I will keep my soul for us, (God and you), accept telling a lie, and be forgiven for saying something which was not true by jesus, it is better than giving your soul. (do not bare false witness against thy neighbor, the enemy is not your neighbor, this wouldn't even violate this statute).

If you hear an input which says not to listen or believe me, remember in the exodus (or read) it was discussed between Moses and the congregation, He was with both, but what made Moses to be listened to over them was He actually spoke to moses, unlike the congregation He was simply with. So remember actually hearing the voice of God is highly reserved and rare, even if He is with many, if something comes and tells you something in the world, it is probably not him. (First time speaking to moses there was a bush on fire but not being burnt as proof, when moses returned to his brothers, be stuck in his hand in his back side to cause, then instantly cure leprosy the next time as proof to them moses was coming from the living God.) It has never been sinful to ask for proof from a being manifesting they are He and not something coming to deceive you, when in person, and it is actually preferred in scripture to do so, as it indicates you are not unreserved enough to follow anything and nothing, which leads people to idolatry which is displeasing. Usual evidence involves fire or manifesting food if your hungry. I don't know of anywhere in scripture where He provides evidence which is not enough to convince the person of his identity, He knows each person individually and what they would need to see.

Remember your salvation does not rely on what you do "for it is not on good works alone men are saved, it is by having faith".

And as for being a "disabled" person, the disorder you claim you have causes obsession without identifiable reason, you have a reason for your movements, you are not "OCD", you are simply uneased and unsure. Acting out of fear. If you do try to stop doing this habit realizing it is not necessary for salvation, remember the actions themselves are not sinful, this would be the next thing for the enemy to make you feel worthless in my experience, without the belief and intention of depending your salvation on the motions, there's nothing sinful with doing them trying to stop but still in habit, without the belief it determines your salvation.
 
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Also, you doing this you look strange to others, You are called to be a representative for the God who saved you, to show people how having faith helps people, not make it look undesirable.  The reason the enemy wants you to keep doing this is so you make believing in God look like complete misery, so when you tell people you think being compulsive is what He wants you to do, people think there is no reason to join christianity thinking, "this religion tortures people".  How can you be convince people it is better to be with God if you also tell them it is the reason you have to do multiple rituals to move from one place to the other (what you do) or as you do with this.

He wants people to like you as well as liking you, if there's something He sees in you, others should see it too, if they are judging you because of your acting outside reason, they will judge you and look on before seeing your inherent good. This is also to convince you having faith is hinging on your actions. It is not, and only stands to make you suffer in the case of something a lie. It stands to drive you from faith too. Causing you to also view christianity as running your life.

friendinpeace
 
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Ugly

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Oh good. Another Christian say goodbye 'it's not a mental disorder, it's all your fault'. Great way to tear people down and talk about things you clearly have no experience with. I'm sure you're a great help to many.
 
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Milkshake123

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Hey you know what I am 16 and I also devoped the same kind of depression you have. reading the bible sets you free, the more you read the more you are healed. I know that the truth sets you free I know that when you fast and pray it casts out all evil that cannot be casted out through any other method. I have overcame my depression in 7 month because I was so enriched in the knowledge of god which is the bible. I have also discovered the root of the depression I once had. Everything has its root and origin. My church at that time was not a church as it seemed it was cult with another doctrine full of idol worship and it was a house of merchandise meaning that they eat and sell food in there. All of these things are sins and basically it was the ministry of condemnation and of death, basically, a synagogue of Satan, meaning the devils church. The pastors had deceived me to believe in the lie and serve the creature rather than the creator and therefore to be eternally condemned. Any false church that you attend maybe the root of your depression as it was mine, anything they give you is cursed from flyers to leathlets to clothes to anything at all that is of theirs but is in your house or possessions you must throw away now. In the old testament the children of Israel could not move forward because there was an accursed object amoung them. In the book of Matthew it is written "every plant that the heavenly Father has not planted will be uprooted." This is in relation to curses.
I hope I don't scare you with my knowledge. Lol anyway may god bless you exceedingly and abundantly in Christ Jesus and may the power of the cross of Christ to triumph in your life and prevail.
 
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Pray and ask a spiritual leader to pray with you and plead the blood of Jesus anytime you get that 'attack'. Only God can deliver you tbh, I'll pray for you.
 

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Hey we as Christians are always under attack 24/7. which is why we r supposed to keep the armour up. Most thhings we notice (like things that annoy us) are to distract us from focusing on God. Keep your eyes on him and if it gets too hard come to Jesus and the body of Christ so we can exalt and pray for you :)
 
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missy2014

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You need prayer Ges you need to see that and God can destroy this deception like a veil over your eyes being lifted ( I know youre saved) its deception the veil is prob causing to think "i cant be helped '' "this isnt deception its not the truth what the brethen are saying isnt real" thats waht a veil does and to humble myself and encourage , help you theres prob that junk in my life too like stuff im not aware of it but i feel it anyway i feel not to continue on that. I know mental health is a touchy subject ive finally accepted it is demonic Im waiting upon and leaning on the Lord to heal deliver me from a mental disorder i say that not to cause waves but so you can be free in the Lord im going to heaven and the lord is all that matter to me and I burn and will burn all junk behind me. I intend to help many so that can go to heaven God is the Savior none of us are we people yikes! were the sinners and we need to alot of help its scary how much i sin and everyone else. Once im healed from a mental ohhh i be on cloud 9, I'll be able to work again ! thats cool im also starting a small business so yeh all good and all God haha .Dont give up were helping you holding you up. Be blessed be encouraged little brother believe you can be helped God be with you.~Amen?~