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    It's already been established that God inspired men to write His words down. So yes, using MEN, God DID "write the bible with His own hands".

    Just like YOU would write a book about yourself, even if you used a ghost writer to pen it for you. It would still be YOUR WORDS, not the words of the one who actually wrote or typed it.


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    Have you read Numbers and Deuteronomy?
    Do you think God wrote those books with His own hands?
    Do you think He's personally responsible for everything written there?
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    Quote Originally Posted by blue_ladybug View Post
    Soap operas are stupid. Besides, I don't even have tv.. God inspired the bible to be written. That is a FACT. And it's stupid to say "do you think He came down and wrote it". Of course He didn't. He inspired MEN to write it for Him.

    I'm not picking on you at all. I think it's YOU who knows NOTHING about Christianity. I believe every word God says. By your own admission, you do not.

    I'm not trying to come out ahead. And you sound prideful for saying so. For someone who claims to know the bible very well, you sure don't act like it. Especially when you post verses that PROVE a point that you don't believe in.. LOL..
    You should get a TV and watch EWTN.
    It would do you good.
    You'd actually learn some real theology, not this nonsense you spew out.

    And you should get off this forum. It's a bad influence on you and you're not mature or smart enough to know how to handle persons that have a detrimental effect on you.

    Shut the computer off. Read the bible all by yourself.
    Pray.
    Read daily devotionals.
    Dedicate your life to God, instead of to persons her that you think are your friends.
    It would do you good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by blue_ladybug View Post
    It's already been established that God inspired men to write His words down. So yes, using MEN, God DID "write the bible with His own hands".

    Just like YOU would write a book about yourself, even if you used a ghost writer to pen it for you. It would still be YOUR WORDS, not the words of the one who actually wrote or typed it.
    Yes.
    This is one of the most intelligent posts I've ever read.
    Why don't you just give up?

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    I tend to disagree with you based on this post right here.
    I don't understand how you can pick any denomination and say they are all going to hell because they believe something that others don't believe.
    Some churches believe they need to worship God on Saturday, the Sabbath.
    Do some churches condemn them, even calling them heretics and pagans?
    Some churches speak in tongues while other churches say they are not our brothers but are speaking the words of the devil
    Then there is the case of tithes and offerings.
    It is not taught in the New Testament and Protestants need to go into Levitical Law to even find it mentioned.
    How did biblical tithing and offerings turn into giving the Local church 10% of your income every week?
    And how does not doing it make us out to be cheap, cursed, and not being able to receive all o God's blessings?

    And you want to complain about Mary.
    Is worshiping Mary a greater sin then denying aid to church people because we decided paying the church mortgage to be more important.
    "Sorry Sis, I gave all my money to the church and don't give any of it back. Maybe the catholics have the answer, try praying to Mary for some money".

    It sounds to me like everyone is messed up and Jesus is our only hope for anything in life.
    In the meantime, I believe nothing could please him more then to see us all reach out to each other and support one another, because we love Jesus that much.
    Quote Originally Posted by Ahwatukee View Post
    Once again, your error is not discerning between a denomination and a false teaching. Also, it is not animosity, for I pray for them that every day that God would allow them to hear His call to come out of that idolatrous institution. As Paul said, " if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let them be under God's curse!"
    And how does not doing it make us out to be cheap, cursed, and not being able to receive all o God's blessings?

    And you want to complain about Mary.
    Is worshiping Mary a greater sin then denying aid to church people because we decided paying the church mortgage to be more important.
    "Sorry Sis, I gave all my money to the church and don't give any of it back. Maybe the catholics have the answer, try praying to Mary for some money".

    It sounds to me like everyone is messed up and Jesus is our only hope for anything in life.
    In the meantime, I believe nothing could please him more then to see us all reach out to each other and support one another, because we love Jesus that much.

    Based on the above, I would say that you need to study the word of God, because what the RCC is teaching is in now way in line with scripture. Take the teaching of Purgatory for example. Their claim is that all saved Catholics must still go into Purgatory to be refined in fire for the sins that were not absolved during their life. Yet, the word of God says that "whoever has the Son has life, but whoever does not have the Son does not have life." Scripture also states that the believer has been reconciled to God and has been credited with righteousness. Yet Roman Catholicism teaches an imaginary place of refinement by fire for the Catholic. It is the shed of Christ that cleanses the one who believes in Him, not fire. Fire is a punishment, not a refiner for sin. And speaking of punishment, God's wrath, Jesus already took the punishment that we deserve upon himself.


    You think that praying to Mary and her as being a co-savior and a co-mediator is according to God's word. Scripture states that there in one mediator between God and man, Christ Jesus.



    First of all, Mary referred to Jesus as "her Lord." In addition, after Mary had given birth, she was required to go to the temple and provide two turtle doves or two young pigeons, one for a burnt offering and one for a sin offering so that atone could be made for her (see Lev.12:6-8). That Mary was in need of atonement would demonstrate that she was under sin just like everyone else who comes into this world. Regarding this scripture says:

    "There is no one righteous, not even one; there is no one who understands; there is no one who seeks God. All have turned away, they have together become worthless; there is no one who does good, not even one.” - Rom.3:10-12

    Jesus is the only one who appeared in the flesh and committed no sin and kept the law perfectly. Everyone else who comes into the world, including Mary, is guilty of sin.

    Also, in order for Mary to be without sin, then her parents would have had to have been without sin, as well as their parents and so on and on.



    All you are doing is proving my point with every issue bring up! I'll use your own word that you included above and which is also the same word used in the scripture, which is the word "Until," which means "up to that time." The meaning is that Joseph did not know Mary sexually "Until" after she had give birth to her first born, which means that after that happened then Joseph did not know his wife. And scripture is also clear in that Mary and Joseph had other children.

    "Isn't this the carpenter? Isn't this Mary's son and the brother of James, Joseph, Judas and Simon? Aren't his sisters here with us?"

    Regardless of the bogus apologetic that claims that the scripture above is referring to his cousins, that is a false. Below is another example:

    "Then after three years, I (Paul) went up to Jerusalem to get acquainted with Cephas and stayed with him fifteen days. I saw none of the other apostles—only James, the Lord’s brother."

    In the scripture above, there is a distinction made between the apostles, James being one of them and also the Lord's biological brother.



    Regarding John 20:22-23, Jesus also said the following:

    "For if you forgive other people when they sin against you, your heavenly Father will also forgive you. But if you do not forgive others their sins, your Father will not forgive your sins." - Matt.6:14-15

    Scripture states that believers are to confess our sins to each other, so they everyone will be comforted knowing that they are not the only one wrestling with sin. By knowing that everyone else is experiencing the same sin issues, everyone is lifted up knowing that they are no alone in this. All of sinned and fall short.

    As believers, Jesus tells us to go to our rooms, shut the door and pray to our heavenly Father, not to another sinful man. Again, there is only one mediator, Christ Jesus, not two or three. According to the RCC, the Catholic must confess their sins to a priest, which goes through Mary and then through Jesus and then to the Father. Scripture states the believer is to pray directly to God the Father in the name of the Lord Jesus.



    Those people were not apostles. And even during the time of the apostles God's word was being distorted. I will stick with what scripture says because everything that I need to know is contained in there and that without Ingatius, Iraneous or any of the others mentioned.



    The word of God is clear in that, once a person dies their record is sealed. If you had read and understood the event of the rich man and Lazarus, you would know that there is no second chance or no returning after death to warn anyone about that place of punishment. Sheol/Hades is filling up every day 24/7 with those who have rejected Christ, as well as those who have believed in false teachings instead of believing in the word of God.

    For those who are suffering in Hades in torment in flame, who in their right mind would not immediately accept the offer of salvation? I guarantee you, Hades would be empty immediately! The offer salvation is only during this life. After that the persons record is sealed. If they left this life without Jesus, then they have no blood covering their sins and they will be held accountable for every idle word they ever spoke at the great white throne judgment.



    What we who study the word of God are doing, is what scripture says that we ought to do and that to contend for the truth which is being distorted and diluted on every Biblical topic.

    "Dear friends, although I was very eager to write to you about the salvation we share, I felt compelled to write and urge you to contend for the faith that was once for all entrusted to God’s holy people. For certain individuals whose condemnation was written about long ago have secretly slipped in among you. They are ungodly people, who pervert the grace of our God into a license for immorality and deny Jesus Christ our only Sovereign and Lord. "

    "For the time will come when people will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear. They will turn their ears away from the truth and turn aside to myths."

    "But there were also false prophets among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you. They will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the sovereign Lord who bought them--bringing swift destruction on themselves."

    My advise to you is to get grounded in the word of God, so that you can recognize the lies from the truth. We ought to pray for those who have been deceived by the beliefs and practices of Roman Catholicism that God would open their eyes and give them strength to come out of her. For if they continue in her idolatrous practices, they too will be condemned with her.
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    Now this is funny stuff. LOL. YOU telling ME what I should do. YOU ARE NOT GOD. What you just wrote here, apply it unto yourself, please. You don't have a detrimental effect on me, however, you DO have a detrimental effect on yourself, since you doubt the Word of God, don't believe in eternal salvation, think that works keep you saved, and are asking WHO wrote the bible. A REAL Christian should and does already know these things. So your lack of Christian knowledge is glaringly obvious. Take the plank out of your eye and maybe you'll be able to see how erroneous many of your beliefs are.


    Quote Originally Posted by FranC View Post
    You should get a TV and watch EWTN.
    It would do you good.
    You'd actually learn some real theology, not this nonsense you spew out.

    And you should get off this forum. It's a bad influence on you and you're not mature or smart enough to know how to handle persons that have a detrimental effect on you.

    Shut the computer off. Read the bible all by yourself.
    Pray.
    Read daily devotionals.
    Dedicate your life to God, instead of to persons her that you think are your friends.
    It would do you good.
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    Some churches believe they need to worship God on Saturday, the Sabbath.
    Do some churches condemn them, even calling them heretics and pagans?
    What would you call a church that seeks to get to God thru someone other than Jesus???

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    You honestly can't handle the truth, can you? I wonder why. Is it too much for you to comprehend that God used men to write down His words???


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    Yes.
    This is one of the most intelligent posts I've ever read.
    Why don't you just give up?
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    Quote Originally Posted by blue_ladybug View Post
    You honestly can't handle the truth, can you? I wonder why. Is it too much for you to comprehend that God used men to write down His words???
    What I don't comprehend is how you could think you have the Holy Spirit in you and how Jesus is WORKING THROGH YOU (LOL)
    when you speak nothing but hatred. But just keep on the way you're going. Maybe someday you'll understand and repent.

    For now, this is what I have to say to you...



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    Quote Originally Posted by Rockrz View Post
    What would you call a church that seeks to get to God thru someone other than Jesus???
    If I knew of any, I'd have to go check it out.
    But I've been a Catholic and I've been to 7th Day Adventist churches and I know some of them personally, and neither church qualifies for what you are asking.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AllenW View Post
    I tend to disagree with you based on this post right here.
    I don't understand how you can pick any denomination and say they are all going to hell because they believe something that others don't believe.
    Greetings AllenW,

    As I have made known in previous posts, there seems to be a lack of understanding between the definition of what a denomination is and what a false teaching is. Also I would add that, I never posted that anyone was going to hell. I continue to quote Paul in that, "if we or an angel should preach another gospel other than the one you first received, let them be accursed."

    Some churches believe they need to worship God on Saturday, the Sabbath. Do some churches condemn them, even calling them heretics and pagans?
    Regarding this scripture says "One person considers one day more sacred than another; another considers every day alike. Each of them should be fully convinced in their own mind."

    Now, if a person believes that keeping the Sabbath on Sunday is a requirement for salvation, then they have wandered away from grace and have been alienated from Christ, because they would be trusting in their own efforts along side of the Lord's sacrifice. But for those who observe the Sabbath on one day, they do so to the Lord. Likewise, the man who considers every day holy to the Lord, he also does so to the Lord.

    Some churches speak in tongues while other churches say they are not our brothers but are speaking the words of the devil
    Then there is the case of tithes and offerings. It is not taught in the New Testament and Protestants need to go into Levitical Law to even find it mentioned. How did biblical tithing and offerings turn into giving the Local church 10% of your income every week?
    "Nevertheless, the one who receives instruction in the word should share all good things with their instructor." - Gal.6:6

    "elders who direct the affairs of the church well are worthy of double honor, especially those whose work is preaching and teaching. For Scripture says, “Do not muzzle an ox while it is treading out the grain,” and “The worker deserves his wages.”

    "So I thought it necessary to urge the brothers to visit you in advance and finish the arrangements for the generous gift you had promised. Then it will be ready as a generous gift, not as one grudgingly given. Remember this: Whoever sows sparingly will also reap sparingly, and whoever sows generously will also reap generously. Each of you should give what you have decided in your heart to give, not reluctantly or under compulsion, for God loves a cheerful giver.

    There are variations of teachings between denominations that are not detrimental to ones salvation. However, there are teachings that are not of the truth and should be identified as such.

    We are in a battle here people! And Satan is engaged in all-out warfare. We need to be in the word of God in order to be able to identify the myriad of false teachings that are out there, because the world is being inundated with them. Specifically, teachings that appear to be in keeping with scripture, but are not.

    "And I saw a mighty angel proclaiming in a loud voice, “Who is worthy to break the seals and open the scroll?” But no one in heaven or on earth or under the earth could open the scroll or even look inside it. " (Rev.5:2-3)

    Now regarding the scripture above, did you see Mary come forward as worthy to break the seals and open the scroll? According to the status that Roman Catholicism has endowed Mary with, being without sin, full of grace, co-savior, co-mediator, etc., she should have been able to open that scroll. But as the scripture states, no one in heaven or on earth nor under the earth is worthy to open the scroll or look inside. Jesus is the only one who is worthy to open the scroll and that because of His blood that was shed:

    "You are worthy to take the scroll and to open its seals, because you were slain, and with your blood you purchased for God persons from every tribe and language and people and nation. You have made them to be a kingdom and priests to serve our God, and they will reign on the earth.”

    Believers should be contending for the truth, not compromising with false teachings.
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    You are just too much for words.. I'm not the one who is in attack mode right now. I'm speaking truth as to who wrote the bible. MEN INSPIRED BY GOD..

    YOU are the one attacking me, Magenta, Dcon, and anyone else who disagrees with you on any of what you believe.


    Quote Originally Posted by FranC View Post
    What I don't comprehend is how you could think you have the Holy Spirit in you and how Jesus is WORKING THROGH YOU (LOL)
    when you speak nothing but hatred. But just keep on the way you're going. Maybe someday you'll understand and repent.

    For now, this is what I have to say to you...


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    Quote Originally Posted by blue_ladybug View Post
    You are just too much for words.. I'm not the one who is in attack mode right now. I'm speaking truth as to who wrote the bible. MEN INSPIRED BY GOD..

    YOU are the one attacking me, Magenta, Dcon, and anyone else who disagrees with you on any of what you believe.
    Yes Blue,
    You, Magenta and Dcon made me feel soooooo welcome here.
    You're soooooo sweet.





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    Quote Originally Posted by Ahwatukee View Post
    Greetings AllenW,

    As I have made known in previous posts, there seems to be a lack of understanding between the definition of what a denomination is and what a false teaching is. Also I would add that, I never posted that anyone was going to hell. I continue to quote Paul in that, "if we or an angel should preach another gospel other than the one you first received, let them be accursed."



    Regarding this scripture says "One person considers one day more sacred than another; another considers every day alike. Each of them should be fully convinced in their own mind."

    Now, if a person believes that keeping the Sabbath on Sunday is a requirement for salvation, then they have wandered away from grace and have been alienated from Christ, because they would be trusting in their own efforts along side of the Lord's sacrifice. But for those who observe the Sabbath on one day, they do so to the Lord. Likewise, the man who considers every day holy to the Lord, he also does so to the Lord.



    "Nevertheless, the one who receives instruction in the word should share all good things with their instructor." - Gal.6:6

    "elders who direct the affairs of the church well are worthy of double honor, especially those whose work is preaching and teaching. For Scripture says, “Do not muzzle an ox while it is treading out the grain,” and “The worker deserves his wages.”

    "So I thought it necessary to urge the brothers to visit you in advance and finish the arrangements for the generous gift you had promised. Then it will be ready as a generous gift, not as one grudgingly given. Remember this: Whoever sows sparingly will also reap sparingly, and whoever sows generously will also reap generously. Each of you should give what you have decided in your heart to give, not reluctantly or under compulsion, for God loves a cheerful giver.

    There are variations of teachings between denominations that are not detrimental to ones salvation. However, there are teachings that are not of the truth and should be identified as such.

    We are in a battle here people! And Satan is engaged in all-out warfare. We need to be in the word of God in order to be able to identify the myriad of false teachings that are out there, because the world is being inundated with them. Specifically, teachings that appear to be in keeping with scripture, but are not.

    "And I saw a mighty angel proclaiming in a loud voice, “Who is worthy to break the seals and open the scroll?” But no one in heaven or on earth or under the earth could open the scroll or even look inside it. " (Rev.5:2-3)

    Now regarding the scripture above, did you see Mary come forward as worthy to break the seals and open the scroll? According to the status that Roman Catholicism has endowed Mary with, being without sin, full of grace, co-savior, co-mediator, etc., she should have been able to open that scroll. But as the scripture states, no one in heaven or on earth nor under the earth is worthy to open the scroll or look inside. Jesus is the only one who is worthy to open the scroll and that because of His blood that was shed:

    "You are worthy to take the scroll and to open its seals, because you were slain, and with your blood you purchased for God persons from every tribe and language and people and nation. You have made them to be a kingdom and priests to serve our God, and they will reign on the earth.”

    Believers should be contending for the truth, not compromising with false teachings.
    Who are we in a battle with?

    Satan...

    or other Christians?

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    Sarcasm helps you not one bit.. We all have tried showing you the error of your beliefs. You refuse to hear truth because you are so deeply entrenched in the RCC doctrine and heresies.. You don't even believe the words God has written in the bible. So how exactly are we supposed to help you, when you reject every truth we give you?


    Quote Originally Posted by FranC View Post
    Yes Blue,
    You, Magenta and Dcon made me feel soooooo welcome here.
    You're soooooo sweet.






    Quote Originally Posted by pottersclay View Post
    Blue_ladybug is innocent, as we know in scripture " all people who like orange tabbies are innocent."

    Quote Originally Posted by TruthTalk View Post

    I love "Orange Tabbies" , God created the world and then, "Orange Tabbies" .....

    Go to my profile Blog tab to read my testimonies.






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    Quote Originally Posted by blue_ladybug View Post
    Sarcasm helps you not one bit.. We all have tried showing you the error of your beliefs. You refuse to hear truth because you are so deeply entrenched in the RCC doctrine and heresies.. You don't even believe the words God has written in the bible. So how exactly are we supposed to help you, when you reject every truth we give you?
    I'm sooooo sorry you can't help me.
    I was so hoping that you could.





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    Open your eyes to the truth, and we could help you alot..

    OR remain blinded by satan and the RCC..


    You claim to love God, but you don't believe in His salvation, and you don't believe that He inspired men to write the bible. If you don't believe Him and what He says and what He's done, then HOW can you honestly proclaim yourself to be a knowledgeable Christian??


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    Quote Originally Posted by TruthTalk View Post

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    The Bible says no person can say Jesus is Lord,but by the Holy Ghost.

    No man comes to the Son unless the Father draws them.

    Whoever confesses Jesus is the Christ is born of God.

    Whoever believes Jesus Christ is come in flesh is of God.

    Do not the Catholics believe these things.

    But God said do not make an image of anything in heaven,including air like birds,or on earth,or in the sea,and bow down to it.

    God said do not make an image of Him,and bow down,for you do not know what He looks like

    Jesus was speaking to a crowd of people,and the disciples said,Jesus your mother and brethren are outside the crowd,desiring to speak to you,and Jesus said,who is My mother,and brethren,and pointed to His disciples and said,behold My mother,and brethren,for whoever does the will of My Father the same is my mother,brethren,and sisters.

    Jesus was speaking to a crowd,and a woman spoke up and said basically,blessed is the mother who gave birth to you,and Jesus said,yea rather,blessed is he that hears the word of God and does it.

    Jesus put Mary in the same boat as all the saints,and on an equal level,for we all have our labor,and God does not favor anyone for their labor above anyone else,as long as you do the labor God gives you.

    They call Mary the Queen of heaven,and the Mother of God.

    But Mary only gave birth to the man Christ Jesus,and it was God that caused the conception,so glory to God.

    Also God is an ominpresent Spirit and cannot be born,and there is no part of God that can be born,for Jesus is God manifest in the flesh,and the Spirit in Christ is still connected to the omnipresent Spirit of God,for God cannot be separated.

    The only way Mary can be the Mother of God is if she gave birth to the omnipresent Spirit of God,who never existed before that time,which we know is absurd.

    The truth is Jesus is a visible manifestation of God,and the Spirit does not have to move.Jesus as a human does not have His own Spirit that moves along with Him,for the Spirit does not have to move,for the Spirit is already there,but the man Christ Jesus walks through the Spirit,and where ever He is the Spirit is there.Same as the saints,they do not have their own part of the Spirit that moves with them,but they walk through the Spirit,and where ever they are the Spirit is there.

    When Jesus was in the womb of Mary,He had the Spirit that occupied that space,and when He came out of the womb,He had the Spirit that occupied the space outside of the womb.The Spirit did not move out of the womb with Jesus,for the Spirit does not have to move,for the Spirit is already there.

    Now I know this is kind of a strange way to go about showing Mary is not the Mother of God,for it is truth anyway,but only the child Christ Jesus came out of the womb,the Spirit did not,for the Spirit is ominpresent and cannot be broken up to come out of the womb with the child Christ Jesus.

    Mary is only the mother of the flesh.

    They look at Mary,and reverence her,in a way that offends God,and He said,My glory I do not give to another.Jesus put her on the same level as all the saints,so why do they call her the Queen of heaven.

    This is a serious offense.

    A man called Jesus,good Master,and Jesus said,why do you call Me good,there is only one good,and that is God.

    Jesus said,call no man on earth your father,in a spiritual capacity,but only your heavenly Father.

    But they call the Pope Holy Father,a double whammy.

    Says he is the head of the Church,but Christ is the head of the Church.

    Another serious offense.

    The Bible says there is only one God,and one mediator between God and men,the man Christ Jesus.

    People should not confess their sins to a priest to take to God,for Jesus is the mediator,not a priest,and not the Pope,and if a person takes their sins to a priest to take to God,it would seem as if their sins would not be forgiven,for they did not take them to God,but to a priest.

    Jesus said all the saints are kings and priests unto God the Father,but the Catholic Church makes a priesthood that is special above the common saint.

    Another serious offense.

    And take in to consideration all the things they do in the Catholic Church that is not biblical,and serve no purpose for salvation,but a waste of time,and some serious wrong interpretations,and all the things they do that appear occultic.

    It is obvious when the Roman Empire embraced Christianity,and the Bible,that they did not get rid of their religious ways,and only go by the Bible,but they held unto their religious ways,and dragged them in to the Bible,and it became their foundation for the interpretation of scriptures.

    Joseph Smith did it too,with a belief not part of the Bible,and it became his foundation for the interpretation of scriptures.Scientology,same thing.Christain Science.Jehovah's witnesses.New age movement,and the movement that will cause the unifed religious system to come about,and many others that had a belief not part of the Bible,and it became their foundation for the interpretation of scriptures.

    But there are many Catholics that do not want anything to do with the occult,and it appears innocent to them,but they do not know what really goes on in the Vatican,like the same with inner circles of the occult,that have an outer circle.

    The Pope,and the Vatican,will become more public with the unifying of the religions,that the new age movement will be a part of that,but many Catholics will not follow their folly when it starts to happen.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MattforJesus View Post
    The Bible says no person can say Jesus is Lord,but by the Holy Ghost.

    No man comes to the Son unless the Father draws them.

    Whoever confesses Jesus is the Christ is born of God.

    Whoever believes Jesus Christ is come in flesh is of God.

    Do not the Catholics believe these things.

    But God said do not make an image of anything in heaven,including air like birds,or on earth,or in the sea,and bow down to it.

    God said do not make an image of Him,and bow down,for you do not know what He looks like

    Jesus was speaking to a crowd of people,and the disciples said,Jesus your mother and brethren are outside the crowd,desiring to speak to you,and Jesus said,who is My mother,and brethren,and pointed to His disciples and said,behold My mother,and brethren,for whoever does the will of My Father the same is my mother,brethren,and sisters.

    Jesus was speaking to a crowd,and a woman spoke up and said basically,blessed is the mother who gave birth to you,and Jesus said,yea rather,blessed is he that hears the word of God and does it.

    Jesus put Mary in the same boat as all the saints,and on an equal level,for we all have our labor,and God does not favor anyone for their labor above anyone else,as long as you do the labor God gives you.

    They call Mary the Queen of heaven,and the Mother of God.

    But Mary only gave birth to the man Christ Jesus,and it was God that caused the conception,so glory to God.

    Also God is an ominpresent Spirit and cannot be born,and there is no part of God that can be born,for Jesus is God manifest in the flesh,and the Spirit in Christ is still connected to the omnipresent Spirit of God,for God cannot be separated.

    The only way Mary can be the Mother of God is if she gave birth to the omnipresent Spirit of God,who never existed before that time,which we know is absurd.

    The truth is Jesus is a visible manifestation of God,and the Spirit does not have to move.Jesus as a human does not have His own Spirit that moves along with Him,for the Spirit does not have to move,for the Spirit is already there,but the man Christ Jesus walks through the Spirit,and where ever He is the Spirit is there.Same as the saints,they do not have their own part of the Spirit that moves with them,but they walk through the Spirit,and where ever they are the Spirit is there.

    When Jesus was in the womb of Mary,He had the Spirit that occupied that space,and when He came out of the womb,He had the Spirit that occupied the space outside of the womb.The Spirit did not move out of the womb with Jesus,for the Spirit does not have to move,for the Spirit is already there.

    Now I know this is kind of a strange way to go about showing Mary is not the Mother of God,for it is truth anyway,but only the child Christ Jesus came out of the womb,the Spirit did not,for the Spirit is ominpresent and cannot be broken up to come out of the womb with the child Christ Jesus.

    Mary is only the mother of the flesh.

    They look at Mary,and reverence her,in a way that offends God,and He said,My glory I do not give to another.Jesus put her on the same level as all the saints,so why do they call her the Queen of heaven.

    This is a serious offense.

    A man called Jesus,good Master,and Jesus said,why do you call Me good,there is only one good,and that is God.

    Jesus said,call no man on earth your father,in a spiritual capacity,but only your heavenly Father.

    But they call the Pope Holy Father,a double whammy.

    Says he is the head of the Church,but Christ is the head of the Church.

    Another serious offense.

    The Bible says there is only one God,and one mediator between God and men,the man Christ Jesus.

    People should not confess their sins to a priest to take to God,for Jesus is the mediator,not a priest,and not the Pope,and if a person takes their sins to a priest to take to God,it would seem as if their sins would not be forgiven,for they did not take them to God,but to a priest.

    Jesus said all the saints are kings and priests unto God the Father,but the Catholic Church makes a priesthood that is special above the common saint.

    Another serious offense.

    And take in to consideration all the things they do in the Catholic Church that is not biblical,and serve no purpose for salvation,but a waste of time,and some serious wrong interpretations,and all the things they do that appear occultic.

    It is obvious when the Roman Empire embraced Christianity,and the Bible,that they did not get rid of their religious ways,and only go by the Bible,but they held unto their religious ways,and dragged them in to the Bible,and it became their foundation for the interpretation of scriptures.

    Joseph Smith did it too,with a belief not part of the Bible,and it became his foundation for the interpretation of scriptures.Scientology,same thing.Christain Science.Jehovah's witnesses.New age movement,and the movement that will cause the unifed religious system to come about,and many others that had a belief not part of the Bible,and it became their foundation for the interpretation of scriptures.

    But there are many Catholics that do not want anything to do with the occult,and it appears innocent to them,but they do not know what really goes on in the Vatican,like the same with inner circles of the occult,that have an outer circle.

    The Pope,and the Vatican,will become more public with the unifying of the religions,that the new age movement will be a part of that,but many Catholics will not follow their folly when it starts to happen.
    Hi mfj
    The most intelligent post I've read.
    At this point I should remind you that I'm not Catholic but know their doctrine.
    You wrote a lot. Will respond tomorrow.
    But could you please expound on your last paragraph. There are many changes going on in the RCC and what I think your talking about may already be happening.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ahwatukee View Post
    Greetings AllenW,

    As I have made known in previous posts, there seems to be a lack of understanding between the definition of what a denomination is and what a false teaching is. Also I would add that, I never posted that anyone was going to hell. I continue to quote Paul in that, "if we or an angel should preach another gospel other than the one you first received, let them be accursed."



    Regarding this scripture says "One person considers one day more sacred than another; another considers every day alike. Each of them should be fully convinced in their own mind."

    Now, if a person believes that keeping the Sabbath on Sunday is a requirement for salvation, then they have wandered away from grace and have been alienated from Christ, because they would be trusting in their own efforts along side of the Lord's sacrifice. But for those who observe the Sabbath on one day, they do so to the Lord. Likewise, the man who considers every day holy to the Lord, he also does so to the Lord.



    "Nevertheless, the one who receives instruction in the word should share all good things with their instructor." - Gal.6:6

    "elders who direct the affairs of the church well are worthy of double honor, especially those whose work is preaching and teaching. For Scripture says, “Do not muzzle an ox while it is treading out the grain,” and “The worker deserves his wages.”

    "So I thought it necessary to urge the brothers to visit you in advance and finish the arrangements for the generous gift you had promised. Then it will be ready as a generous gift, not as one grudgingly given. Remember this: Whoever sows sparingly will also reap sparingly, and whoever sows generously will also reap generously. Each of you should give what you have decided in your heart to give, not reluctantly or under compulsion, for God loves a cheerful giver.

    There are variations of teachings between denominations that are not detrimental to ones salvation. However, there are teachings that are not of the truth and should be identified as such.

    We are in a battle here people! And Satan is engaged in all-out warfare. We need to be in the word of God in order to be able to identify the myriad of false teachings that are out there, because the world is being inundated with them. Specifically, teachings that appear to be in keeping with scripture, but are not.

    "And I saw a mighty angel proclaiming in a loud voice, “Who is worthy to break the seals and open the scroll?” But no one in heaven or on earth or under the earth could open the scroll or even look inside it. " (Rev.5:2-3)

    Now regarding the scripture above, did you see Mary come forward as worthy to break the seals and open the scroll? According to the status that Roman Catholicism has endowed Mary with, being without sin, full of grace, co-savior, co-mediator, etc., she should have been able to open that scroll. But as the scripture states, no one in heaven or on earth nor under the earth is worthy to open the scroll or look inside. Jesus is the only one who is worthy to open the scroll and that because of His blood that was shed:

    "You are worthy to take the scroll and to open its seals, because you were slain, and with your blood you purchased for God persons from every tribe and language and people and nation. You have made them to be a kingdom and priests to serve our God, and they will reign on the earth.”

    Believers should be contending for the truth, not compromising with false teachings.
    You use Scripture for what seems like everything.
    Let me ask you, do you believe when you die, that you will spend all eternity with Jesus. Whether yes or no, why?
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    Where are all the catholics?
    Were there ever any on here?
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