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    [QUOTE=Adstar;2977370]Sonia i need the strengh and peace of God most when i am going through the hardest times in my life.. The more i compare myself to others the more i start to get depressed.. So i don't spend my time comparing myself to others who seem to be in a better life situations then me..

    Abandoning God will not suddenly make your life better.. You will still be you.. The only difference is that you will be suffering alone rather then having God with you.. God can and does give people who are suffering from things like depression and low self esteem Someone to relate to, Someone to talk to at any moment of the day... This world is unbearable when we feel we are all alone.. So don't let go of a true Friend...[/QUOTE

    Well I abandond God 4 month ago. I see that there much freedom for me to do what ever I want in my life. I dont have to worry about living in sin or going to hell. I feel alot more better myself. Im also starting to consider to support LGBT.

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    Sonia i need the strengh and peace of God most when i am going through the hardest times in my life.. The more i compare myself to others the more i start to get depressed.. So i don't spend my time comparing myself to others who seem to be in a better life situations then me..

    Abandoning God will not suddenly make your life better.. You will still be you.. The only difference is that you will be suffering alone rather then having God with you.. God can and does give people who are suffering from things like depression and low self esteem Someone to relate to, Someone to talk to at any moment of the day... This world is unbearable when we feel we are all alone.. So don't let go of a true Friend...[/QUOTE

    Well I abandond God 4 month ago. I see that there much freedom for me to do what ever I want in my life. I dont have to worry about living in sin or going to hell. I feel alot more better myself. Im also starting to consider to support LGBT.
    Well since i believe Jesus and trust in the atonement He secured for the forgivness of all my sins i do not fear going to hell and i am happy in the knowedge that any sin that is sin is already forgiven..

    Maybe you never really knew the real Jesus? Maybe the truth of Jesus was never clearly revealed to you..

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    Sonia i need the strengh and peace of God most when i am going through the hardest times in my life.. The more i compare myself to others the more i start to get depressed.. So i don't spend my time comparing myself to others who seem to be in a better life situations then me..

    Abandoning God will not suddenly make your life better.. You will still be you.. The only difference is that you will be suffering alone rather then having God with you.. God can and does give people who are suffering from things like depression and low self esteem Someone to relate to, Someone to talk to at any moment of the day... This world is unbearable when we feel we are all alone.. So don't let go of a true Friend...[/QUOTE

    Well I abandond God 4 month ago. I see that there much freedom for me to do what ever I want in my life. I dont have to worry about living in sin or going to hell. I feel alot more better myself. Im also starting to consider to support LGBT.
    If you had fear of living in sin and going to hell to hell then you were taught wrong. that isn't how grace works
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    Well since i believe Jesus and trust in the atonement He secured for the forgivness of all my sins i do not fear going to hell and i am happy in the knowedge that any sin that is sin is already forgiven..

    Maybe you never really knew the real Jesus? Maybe the truth of Jesus was never clearly revealed to you..
    I wont denied or lied I already know the truth Jesus..... Plus God had already reveal to me years ago in a dream....... While having prophet saying stuff to me.

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    If you had fear of living in sin and going to hell to hell then you were taught wrong. that isn't how grace works
    I know what grace..... I living in free will.

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    Quote Originally Posted by soniablue View Post
    Ya exactly Im not satfised with my life. My mom doesnt have a job and hasnt still finish unversity. My dad drop out middle school and doesnt make alot of money at work. My parent are divorce. My family absoulety dont care about me. I dont really get along with my parent since Im not that close with them.
    It sounds like your parents have a lot of problems and not much time to devote to your care. It also sounds like you think God, Who is the creator of the universe and all there is, and the author and giver of life, should not be jealous for a people who promised their loyalty to Him... while you are jealous of people you hardly even know, but allow to negatively affect you so much you want to end your life.

    Do you know that the root of the word jealous, is zealous? Do you know what that word means? You are jealous because you are envious of people who have things you do not, and you covet those things. God is zealous and wants to give you more than you can possibly comprehend. Rebelling against God won't get you what you really want. You have walked away or given up on faith, so what you have now is the freedom to sin as much as you like, while not even realizing that your sin is what is causing you pain right now. Where is sinning even more going to get you? If you think you feel bad now, sinning a whole lot more is not going to make it better, but worse.


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    I agree this life sucks. Who cares about pretty or not pretty, everybody gets ugly eventually. If rich people have it so good why is there so much drug and alcohol abuse and sex addiction among the rich and famous. This whole world is going down the toilette, that's why it's so important to be a Christian. What's the point of suffering in this life and eternity? Submit to Christ and one day we will have life to the full.

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    Quote Originally Posted by soniablue View Post
    Well I abandond God 4 month ago. I see that there much freedom for me to do what ever I want in my life. I dont have to worry about living in sin or going to hell. I feel alot more better myself. Im also starting to consider to support LGBT.
    When people take God out of their lives en masse, and become selfish, what sorts of things do we see?
    Casual sex leading to STDs
    Unwanted pregnancy, and possibly abortion, which often leads to depresssion
    Alcoholism
    Drug addiction
    Being an angry and bitter person, which only causes you to mistreat others and generate more hate in the world
    Prostitution, almost always tied to addiction
    Sex trafficking
    Domestic abuse
    Terrorism
    Violence
    Crack babies
    Murder
    Child molestation

    This is a small view of selfish living. If this is your idea of freedom, then go for it. But the more people that serve themselves the more of this kind, and more, behaviors we will see.
    I remember 20+ years ago Christmas was a happy time. I have seen the level of selfishness and pride rise in people. I have also seen a rise in anger and violence. Now Christmas is a time for trampling people and getting into fights in stores over cheap priced, low quality crap.

    If you think being a Christian means God makes everything how you want it, then you clearly have no Real understanding of God or the bible. And if you think non-Christians should always be suffering and struggling, then i repeat my previous line.
    There are a Lot of people on this site who have gone through as much, and in some cases, worse than you have. They difference between them and you? They don't look at others and feel that they are entitled to the same things others have. They focus more on maturity and personal growth and learning to improve their situation, not getting mad and throwing tantrums because things aren't going their way. I've had a lot of bad things happen in my life. Yet i know it's not God's responsibility to fix it all. He Never promised that.
    Really if you aren't happy with your life, it's up to You to start working at changing it. And God can, and will, help you. But He isn't going to do it for you.

    And i've been down that 'suicide' road before. And i've known others who have as well. Not one of them regrets still being alive, and are All thankful they didn't kill themselves.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ugly View Post
    When people take God out of their lives en masse, and become selfish, what sorts of things do we see?
    Casual sex leading to STDs
    Unwanted pregnancy, and possibly abortion, which often leads to depresssion
    Alcoholism
    Drug addiction
    Being an angry and bitter person, which only causes you to mistreat others and generate more hate in the world
    Prostitution, almost always tied to addiction
    Sex trafficking
    Domestic abuse
    Terrorism
    Violence
    Crack babies
    Murder
    Child molestation

    This is a small view of selfish living. If this is your idea of freedom, then go for it. But the more people that serve themselves the more of this kind, and more, behaviors we will see.
    I remember 20+ years ago Christmas was a happy time. I have seen the level of selfishness and pride rise in people. I have also seen a rise in anger and violence. Now Christmas is a time for trampling people and getting into fights in stores over cheap priced, low quality crap.

    If you think being a Christian means God makes everything how you want it, then you clearly have no Real understanding of God or the bible. And if you think non-Christians should always be suffering and struggling, then i repeat my previous line.
    There are a Lot of people on this site who have gone through as much, and in some cases, worse than you have. They difference between them and you? They don't look at others and feel that they are entitled to the same things others have. They focus more on maturity and personal growth and learning to improve their situation, not getting mad and throwing tantrums because things aren't going their way. I've had a lot of bad things happen in my life. Yet i know it's not God's responsibility to fix it all. He Never promised that.
    Really if you aren't happy with your life, it's up to You to start working at changing it. And God can, and will, help you. But He isn't going to do it for you.

    And i've been down that 'suicide' road before. And i've known others who have as well. Not one of them regrets still being alive, and are All thankful they didn't kill themselves.
    This isn't Christmas it called Black Friday. I'm also not even giving a tantrum. I'm only simply stating my personal opinion or feelings in my personal life. I never even imply how non-christian should suffer???

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hungry View Post
    I agree this life sucks. Who cares about pretty or not pretty, everybody gets ugly eventually. If rich people have it so good why is there so much drug and alcohol abuse and sex addiction among the rich and famous. This whole world is going down the toilette, that's why it's so important to be a Christian. What's the point of suffering in this life and eternity? Submit to Christ and one day we will have life to the full.
    The worst part that it temporarily eventually people will either die young or old. Look would faded as people get old.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Magenta View Post
    It sounds like your parents have a lot of problems and not much time to devote to your care. It also sounds like you think God, Who is the creator of the universe and all there is, and the author and giver of life, should not be jealous for a people who promised their loyalty to Him... while you are jealous of people you hardly even know, but allow to negatively affect you so much you want to end your life.

    Do you know that the root of the word jealous, is zealous? Do you know what that word means? You are jealous because you are envious of people who have things you do not, and you covet those things. God is zealous and wants to give you more than you can possibly comprehend. Rebelling against God won't get you what you really want. You have walked away or given up on faith, so what you have now is the freedom to sin as much as you like, while not even realizing that your sin is what is causing you pain right now. Where is sinning even more going to get you? If you think you feel bad now, sinning a whole lot more is not going to make it better, but worse.
    Obviously I had some prophet saying that I'm rebellious.

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    I wont denied or lied I already know the truth Jesus..... Plus God had already reveal to me years ago in a dream....... While having prophet saying stuff to me.
    You know the truth about the message of Jesus and you believe that God has sent you a dream .. Then how could you ever cease to believe in God ? I do not understand.. How could anyone who has recieved a dream from God end up not believing in God anymore..

    I believe i have recieved dreams from God also.. I cannot even imagine myself ever disbelieving in God.. No matter how hard and desperate my life becomes.. I could be homeless and starving to death but i would never cease believing God.. He is my Hope.. The light at the end of my tunnel.. Yeah we live in a dark world but i see the light.. without that Light everything is just darkness..

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    Quote Originally Posted by soniablue View Post
    The worst part that it temporarily eventually people will either die young or old. Look would faded as people get old.
    If we live in a dark tunnel isn't it a good thing that we know we will eventually come to the end of it?

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    How could God love someone if he happened to be a jealous God? He kill the people in Sodom and Gomorrah? He even kill people in Egypt? Just because of their sin even though they were human? Oh ya let not forget what God did to Saul, Ramson, and Korah? He listed the people who won't go to heaven will having them cast out the lake of fire forever.
    Those acts express His attributes of justice. He punishes sin and iniquity, and being Sovereign He determines the when and the how.

    If a human was running to become judge, it is highly doubtful anyone would vote him in because he promised to let all criminals in his court off the hook. What some think would make a wonderful god is in fact a horrible suggestion as illustrated.

    But absurdly so, people expect that with God and become up in arms when, well, He is God and acts justly. Pray that He has mercy on you and get some help for your thoughts and struggles.
    People are offended that God is God.

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    Quote Originally Posted by soniablue View Post
    Well I abandond God 4 month ago. I see that there much freedom for me to do what ever I want in my life. I dont have to worry about living in sin or going to hell. I feel alot more better myself. Im also starting to consider to support LGBT.
    So, you're living in wonderful freedom now, yet, want to be gay or support that, and want to kill yourself? Doesn't sound free, that's called bondage. You're not 'free', John 8:36.
    People are offended that God is God.

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    You know the truth about the message of Jesus and you believe that God has sent you a dream .. Then how could you ever cease to believe in God ? I do not understand.. How could anyone who has recieved a dream from God end up not believing in God anymore..

    I believe i have recieved dreams from God also.. I cannot even imagine myself ever disbelieving in God.. No matter how hard and desperate my life becomes.. I could be homeless and starving to death but i would never cease believing God.. He is my Hope.. The light at the end of my tunnel.. Yeah we live in a dark world but i see the light.. without that Light everything is just darkness..
    Ya I did receive a dream from a God I don't want to believe anymore. Maybe It wasn't God who have me this dream I have a years ago. In one dream I saw many symbol on top of a ceiling seem to written a different languages I don't understand I guess it Herbrew there were a wall that has my name on it and said something about the Lord. In the other dream I was in a room there were many shiny bright golden light and a soft voice talking, one shiny golden appear it was dragging my body.

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    I know what grace..... I living in free will.
    If you had to worry about your sins and about going to hell then no you do not understand grace at all. We all live in free will everyday we choose right or wrong but free will is only a means to an end because in the end every decision we choose has a consequence both good and bad.

    If you are wanting to give up on God so that you can live how you want and do what you want then while I greatly encourage you not to I know that in the end it's a choice that only you can make. However I will say this what your looking for in such a path you will not find because it does not exist, I have no ill feelings towards atheists or even non christians but interestingly enough every person is looking for the same thing in different things be that money friends a better life or just having purpose in being alive maybe that job promotion or maybe finding your one true love regardless of what you try to find it in everyone is
    subconsciously looking to have meaning and purpose in their lives to be accepted and cared about just for who they are to know that they matter that they are not what they see in the mirror to have hope and to have a shoulder that they can always lean on no matter what.


    It doesn't matter who they were what their religious beliefs were or what their past was like many people I have met have this subconscious desires in them because they are human it's only human to feel these kinds of things. Little did they know it was God they were looking for they just didn't know it
    My life's testimony seems to have helped many people so I am going to put it here http://christianchat.com/testimonies...-new-post.html

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    Hi, Soniablue. I'm so sorry you're are feeling so sad. Please know this one truth -- GOD LOVES YOU! Just as you are! He is your friend and He hears you. God will never give up on you and He is always there for you. Abundance is not about material things in life, it's about joy and hope in Jesus that you will one day be united with Christ face to face. Please don't hurt yourself. Please seek help. I am a survivor of suicide. My brother committed suicide about 16 months ago and the guilt and devastation is oftentimes unbearable. About a week after his death, I committed my life to Jesus and He has never failed me. When I seek him with all of my heart, He is faithful and just and I find Him. He loves you and waits with open arms for you to run to them and be protected. Trust me, it's not all peaches and cream. I too have my days of depression and doubt. But God never fails to rescue me from my suffering when I'm truly honest with Him. May I suggest a way for you to read Psalm 23. Slowly and repeatedly, read it with emphases on a different word each time. For example: THE Lord is my Shepherd, I shall not want; The LORD is my Shepherd, I shall not want; The Lord IS my Shepherd, I shall not want; The Lord is MY Shepherd, I shall not want; The Lord is my SHEPHERD, I shall not want; The Lord is my Shepherd, I shall not want; The Lord is my Shepherd, I SHALL not want; et cetera. May I also suggest that you read the book of John. No one is perfect and the Lord does not expect perfection. He is satisfied with perseverance. He wants you to believe that He loves you and it pains Him when you do not remember this. He does not want you to suffer; He truly suffers with you. He sees your pain and wants to help you through it. You have to be willing to let Him in. I will most definitely be lifting you in prayer. I'm glad you came here for support.
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    soniablue -

    You are in a lot of pain because everything is going against you and you have nowhere to turn for help and God doesn't seem to care. This is what leads to suicide. I know. Too much pain and no hope in sight. Seems like there is no way out..

    Sometimes life gets this way and I know because I told myself that I didn't care if I went to hell because there were so many people there anyway so I would at least have company. The only thing that kept me from doing it was fear. Not fear of dying but fear of the pain from killing myself. So instead I screamed at God and cried and screamed some more and cried until I couldn't anymore. Then I felt numb inside and I went on with life like a robot...

    But eventually things did change for the better, they always do. Believe me. I have wanted to die many times in life and have been at that place many times where it looks like there is no way out, but a way always comes eventually.

    What you need most right now is what the bible calls "patient endurance". It is what keeps us going through the storms, through the tough times, through a life of hell.... patient endurance... Jesus cried out on the cross, "Father, Father, why have you abandoned me!" He too, felt like he was abandoned by God in his most painful, agonizing hour.... But God was always there... even though He may be silent in your darkest days, He is there... waiting for just the right time to bring you out of your misery.. just as He did not abandon Jesus on the cross.. He will not abandon you as well.

    You can give in and take your life, only to realize that you will never ever have a chance again to feel good and to experience life.... or... you can live with patient endurance and deal with life one day at a time until things change for the better.. and they always do.

    "Patient endurance is what you need now, so that you will continue to do God’s will. Then you will receive all that he has promised." (Hebrews 10:36 NLT)

    I will pray for you, sister. God bless you.

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    Dear sis,
    In my humble opinion, the life of Job in the book of Job in the Bible would be something that could help you out of the pressure you're facing. In his défense, he was a righteous man, yet he had many misfortunes. He lost his property, children, got an untouchable disease and friends who couldn't help much.

    Dear sis, I think you're going through a hard test in life, what you need to understand that with the help of the Holy Spirit, it is possible to gain victory over the depressions of life that you're facing.

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