Tough question to consider

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coca2113

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the question: Is it possible to live a fufilling christian life as a homosexual?

I know that in leviticus, it condemns it, but leviticus equally condemns eating shrimp and wearing certain clothes.
It also calls it out in romans, but...

1. It seems to me it is condemning homosexual acts committed by heterosexuals, as if they are doing it in rebellion.
2. Paul also wrote about how women dont have the right to speak in church, as if they were inferior to men.
3. Yes, i agree that it is unnatural, but so is diet coke and polyester. Are those sinful?

I am in no way being disrespectful, and I am not a homosexual, but it seems like an interesting issue to find a consensus on, seeing as how many of the anti-gay hate groups claim to be christian churches(when in fact, they are cults). I, personally, believe that it is possible, but again, as with heterosexuality, lust is completely different from love. If it's who they are, its fine. If it's not them, but who they WANT to be, then yes, i think it is sinful, because it is flat out lying haha.
 
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jackline

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i know its not possible. you are either christian or a homosexual. you cant be both, you have to choose one . consider God's reaction to sodom and Gomora.
 
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Livin4Him410

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The Bible tells us homosexuality is a sin, and people who commit homosexual acts will not inherit the Kingdom of God.

Or do you not know that wrongdoers will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor men who have sex with men, nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God. And that is what some of you were. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.

1 Corinthians 6:9

Notice I said "people who commit homosexual acts", not homosexuals. We are supposed to oppose the sin, not the sinner.

No it is not possible to be a "homosexual" and be a Christian, however what about truly repentant people who have homosexual tendencies? Tougher question yet
 
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SantoSubito

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jackline said:
i know its not possible. you are either christian or a homosexual. you cant be both, you have to choose one . consider God's reaction to sodom and Gomora.
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Thats not actually true. Homosexual refers to the sexual orientation of a person and not whether they actually participate in gay sex. A person can be a celibate homosexual and a Christian at the same time.
 
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Livin4Him410

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SantoSubito said:
Thats not actually true. Homosexual refers to the sexual orientation of a person and not whether they actually participate in gay sex. A person can be a celibate homosexual and a Christian at the same time.
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This!!!! Thank you for summing up what I was trying to say so simply..
 
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Ramon

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SantoSubito said:
Thats not actually true. Homosexual refers to the sexual orientation of a person and not whether they actually participate in gay sex. A person can be a celibate homosexual and a Christian at the same time.
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Not true at all. Jesus said that what defiles a man comes out of his heart. out of the heart comes perversion and wickedness. It does not come from God, and it is not the character of God. Certainly not the character of Jesus Christ.

To say a Christian is a christian who loves homosexuality is to speak evil of Jesus Christ himself.

Not to say that a thought can condemn. But a person who actively follows lust this way, in somehow assuming God is pleased with it is in for a way of wickedness and error.

How can you teach people this? It is wickedness my friend.
 
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coca2113

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ah Ramon, but lust is hard to define. I beleive that in order for lust to be sinful, you must intend to act upon those thoughts. Lets say your neighbor gets a new bmw. Which of these is envy: imagining yourself driving a bmw, or disliking your neighbor because of it and thinking about stealing it? It's not a sin, in my opinion at least, to simply think. The bible says he who looks on a woman lustfully has comitted adultery in his heart. Notice it says "looks", not "thinks". Simply thinking of someone is human nature, but treating them different because of those thoughts? Deliberate action, and therefore, sinful. Lets say you think of a woman, but then next time you see her, you treat her the exact same way as if you hadnt. That is thinking of someone, and some of the thoughts are lustful. Did you act on those lusts? No. Lets say you think of a woman, and then next time you see her, you grab her around the bum instead of waist and generally act more lustful around her. That is looking on her lustfully, and deliberately trying to be lustful, and is sinful. Just thinking? As long as it doesnt affect your actions, it is just that: thoughts. And to clarify, i mean being homosexual. In the genetic sense. Not neccicerily engaging in sexual acts, but simply being of that orientation.
 
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Ramon

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coca2113 said:
ah Ramon, but lust is hard to define. I beleive that in order for lust to be sinful, you must intend to act upon those thoughts. Lets say your neighbor gets a new bmw. Which of these is envy: imagining yourself driving a bmw, or disliking your neighbor because of it and thinking about stealing it? It's not a sin, in my opinion at least, to simply think. The bible says he who looks on a woman lustfully has comitted adultery in his heart. Notice it says "looks", not "thinks". Simply thinking of someone is human nature, but treating them different because of those thoughts? Deliberate action, and therefore, sinful. Lets say you think of a woman, but then next time you see her, you treat her the exact same way as if you hadnt. That is thinking of someone, and some of the thoughts are lustful. Did you act on those lusts? No. Lets say you think of a woman, and then next time you see her, you grab her around the bum instead of waist and generally act more lustful around her. That is looking on her lustfully, and deliberately trying to be lustful, and is sinful. Just thinking? As long as it doesnt affect your actions, it is just that: thoughts. And to clarify, i mean being homosexual. In the genetic sense. Not neccicerily engaging in sexual acts, but simply being of that orientation.
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Lust is simply strong desire. You can lust after good things. True enough.

Jesus is more righteous than we are, so we cannot bring him down to our own level, and even when he was here he did not sin, though tempted. So he knows a way out. God is righteous and holy.

Do you think that God would even imagine evil? Do you think that God would even think that way? We should not try to bring Jesus down from heaven.

I have thought evil, yes, but I will not say that because I thought it, it is good. It is not, and to teach anyone it is is wicked.

It is not complicated but when people try to interpret for the sake of self righteousness, to try and justify the deed. I would rather pray the Lord deliver me from it than to say it is okay and teach people it is okay and have them end up in hell.

If someone cannot contain, just let him marry. As it was written, it is better to marry than to burn.

Jesus sees past the deeds of the flesh, to the desires of the heart. I don't desire to lust, even though my flesh seeks its own. I don't desire it. But I am weak, sold under sin. I am understanding this more now. That is why I pray for help, but if I fall I RUN to the throne of grace. And I do not go back to it again.

May Jesus bless you.
 
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coca2113

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what i mean is, lust is only sinful if you act on it. just like imagining yourself driving your neighbors car isnt sinful unless you hate him for it or want to steal it or some other such thing.
 
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Ramon

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coca2113 said:
what i mean is, lust is only sinful if you act on it. just like imagining yourself driving your neighbors car isnt sinful unless you hate him for it or want to steal it or some other such thing.
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OH!!! I guess you mean coveting!!! :) Sorry. May Jesus bless you. haha.
 
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Coca... why is there the homosexual orientation in the first place... Please read what i wrote in the forum under the threat about demons... The Bible not only says that the ones who do these acts go to hell but also them that APPROVES them doing it. What would I say to the homo that molested me...REPENT FROM EVIL!!! And be BAPOTIZED by God then there is not even evil thoughts in you anymore! God not only forgive sin and bad thoughts, HE REMOVE IT... I knowrepented gays, they HATE the gay-demons! A personis only gay because of the gay demon they posess! I was part of that sex-driven demons! I KNOW what i am talking about. When God removes the sex-demons, then sex or no sex is ALL GODLY. ALL gays needs to be freed from demons! And so does a lot of other sins! If you could only see demons, you would KNOW! They are UGLY!!! Homesexuals are held by a stronghold of SATAN! Only a holy person can break it. God can if they want to be freed, God is holy, and powerful and so is HIS salvation. Read my confession about my experience, and ALL gays has to repent and either become like God intend or be lost forever, LIKE ANY OTHER SIN!!!
 
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coca2113 said:
(i know there are alot of these)
the question: Is it possible to live a fufilling christian life as a homosexual?
I know that in leviticus, it condemns it, but leviticus equally condemns eating shrimp and wearing certain clothes.
It also calls it out in romans, but...
1. It seems to me it is condemning homosexual acts committed by heterosexuals, as if they are doing it in rebellion.
2. Paul also wrote about how women dont have the right to speak in church, as if they were inferior to men.
3. Yes, i agree that it is unnatural, but so is diet coke and polyester. Are those sinful?
I am in no way being disrespectful, and I am not a homosexual, but it seems like an interesting issue to find a consensus on, seeing as how many of the anti-gay hate groups claim to be christian churches(when in fact, they are cults). I, personally, believe that it is possible, but again, as with heterosexuality, lust is completely different from love. If it's who they are, its fine. If it's not them, but who they WANT to be, then yes, i think it is sinful, because it is flat out lying haha.
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The major thing about being homosexual. Is that its an abomination, thats why its frowned upon above all else. To answer point three, your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit, you must treated it so. Having a homosexual relationship, more so if your a man, damages your body ergo the temple.
Polyester and diet coke, is un-natural, thats correct, but polyester, is used for many things, like clothes, which even Jesus himself wore. So i think thats fine. Diet Coke in moderation is also fine, it wont damage your teeth ect if you drink it in moderation.

I dont see how point 2 refers to the question?

And point 1 i dont quite understand either...rephrase please? :)

Also, your point about leviticus. When Jesus came and fulfilled the laws, he took us out of bondage from the laws of the Old Testament, because so many failed to keep them. However, i believe that God wouldnt have left them in the bible if they werent, on some level, important.
I mean, it doesnt say in the new testement that you cant have sex with your daughter, whereas it is in leviticus, yet we still follow that law. kwam?

God Bless
 
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SantoSubito

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Not true at all. Jesus said that what defiles a man comes out of his heart. out of the heart comes perversion and wickedness. It does not come from God, and it is not the character of God. Certainly not the character of Jesus Christ.

To say a Christian is a christian who loves homosexuality is to speak evil of Jesus Christ himself.

Not to say that a thought can condemn. But a person who actively follows lust this way, in somehow assuming God is pleased with it is in for a way of wickedness and error.

How can you teach people this? It is wickedness my friend.
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I never said that a person who pursues the homosexual lifestyle can be a Christian. What I said was a person with tendencies towards same sex attraction can remain celibate and be a perfectly good Christian.
 
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Ramon

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SantoSubito said:
I never said that a person who pursues the homosexual lifestyle can be a Christian. What I said was a person with tendencies towards same sex attraction can remain celibate and be a perfectly good Christian.
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OH! Okay. You had me wondering my friend. I apologize. Yes I understand now. Sorry.

May Jesus bless you.
 
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coca2113

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yes, that is what i am saying. someone attracted to the same sex can be a christian if they do not act on those attractions. just like a person who likes making money can be a christian as long as they dont become greedy. and yes, leviticus calls homosexuality an abomination, but leviticus also says alot of things that are all but abandoned today, such as forbidding eating shrimp or washing moldy things. now, yes, paul taught that practicing homosexuality is wicked, but you can be homosexual (attracted to the same sex) and not participate in gay sex. either way, all sin is equal in the eyes of god. blurting a curse word every now and then is just as bad as living your entire life as a practicing homosexual. what we need to focus on is loving people such as those just as much, if not more than, other people and pray for them and try to lead them to christ. but when it comes down to it, being attracted to the same sex, as long as you don't act on that attraction, allows you to still have a perfectly fine relationship with christ. people with those attractions can pray to god and have faith in him, and he may relieve them of such attractions.
 
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I know God can transform someones sexuality, not from personal experience, but because it says nothing is impossible with God..............I doubt whether in every case the desires of a homosexual coming to Christ are changed. For me the desire to get drunk immediately left me, other addictions I had/have to battle with.

I don't believe if a homosexual is saved, God thinks, sorry Jesus death can't cover that sin. But as with any straight person they should avoid fornication, adultery of the heart. And for them, any kind of homosexual relationship.........
It's the same with any sin though, if once you know what your doing is wrong in Gods sight, you have no desire to repent over it, and want to carry on regardless, then you need to take check of your status before God......
 
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Peter321

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SantoSubito said:
Thats not actually true. Homosexual refers to the sexual orientation of a person and not whether they actually participate in gay sex. A person can be a celibate homosexual and a Christian at the same time.
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Don't think so really.

'But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart.'

I think this is applyable to this kinda thing, if you think homosexual thoughts, it's wrong.. you know
That's how i see it though and i'm not saying this is the truth ;)
 
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