Beating children

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WBerry

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I was skimming through the bible and stumble across this:

"Withhold not correction from the child: for if thou beatest him with the rod, he shall not die. Thou shalt beat him with the rod, and shalt deliver his soul from hell." Proverbs 23: 13-14

What exactly is it saying here, because i certainly do not want to be beaten with a rod as a way of delivering me from hell. Please, share your thoughts.
 
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it says discipline your kids...nothing is wrong with spanking. you know, spare the rod, spoil the child?
 
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rainacorn

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BEATING (as you seem to mean it) lacks self-control. DISCIPLINE is controlled.

That verse is not about beating a child uncontrollably in anger, it's about discipline and course correction. Children that are not disciplined bring shame to their families.

The Bible has a lot to say about disciplining children (because we need to be good adults).

Proverbs 12:1
Whoever loves discipline loves knowledge,
but one who hates reproof is stupid.
 
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WBerry

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Oh ok, using the word DISCIPLINE is much better than BEATING. Seems too harsh. But at the same time there would be no need for discipline if parents raised their kids better.
 
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jimmydiggs

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WBerry said:
Oh ok, using the word DISCIPLINE is much better than BEATING. Seems too harsh. But at the same time there would be no need for discipline if parents raised their kids better.
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If only children were not totally depraved as well as the parent.
 
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syborg

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WBerry said:
I was skimming through the bible and stumble across this:

"Withhold not correction from the child: for if thou beatest him with the rod, he shall not die. Thou shalt beat him with the rod, and shalt deliver his soul from hell." Proverbs 23: 13-14

What exactly is it saying here, because i certainly do not want to be beaten with a rod as a way of delivering me from hell. Please, share your thoughts.
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skimming the bible is as dangerous as skimming Barak Obamas manifesto and thinking he is a good dude for the white house. . stoopid. .
 
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Aqua_Girl09

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WBerry said:
Oh ok, using the word DISCIPLINE is much better than BEATING. Seems too harsh. But at the same time there would be no need for discipline if parents raised their kids better.
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thats crap. children aren't just "GOOD" there are kids that need to be taught HOW to be good (i've been working in a daycare for over 2 years now) i've seen all kinds of kids. some don't need spanking. just telling them you're disappointed is enough. others need to be beat till they can't sit. ( totally got cursed out by a six year old. he won't hit me but he hits his parents)

so yeah. but you'll see once you get to take care of a child ^_^ its a BALL of fun. >_^
 
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Ramon

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Aqua_Girl09 said:
thats crap. children aren't just "GOOD" there are kids that need to be taught HOW to be good (i've been working in a daycare for over 2 years now) i've seen all kinds of kids. some don't need spanking. just telling them you're disappointed is enough. others need to be beat till they can't sit. ( totally got cursed out by a six year old. he won't hit me but he hits his parents)

so yeah. but you'll see once you get to take care of a child ^_^ its a BALL of fun. >_^
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I like how you say that they are not just good, and that they need to be TAUGHT how to be good. Very important thing here.

In the same way, I was the same before Jesus got a hold on me. I was certainly not good. But I had, and have to be, TAUGHT to be good. I think you can learn a lot about yourself from these children, if you consider how a relationship with God is much the same case. As a matter of fact, I am going to contact a friend of mine now who works at a daycare.

Thank you!

May Jesus bless you.
 
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Fathers, do not make your children resentful. Otherwise, they'll become discouraged. - Collosians 3:21 ISV

Fathers, do not provoke your children to anger by the way you treat them. Rather, bring them up with the discipline and instruction that comes from the Lord. - Ephesians 6:4NLT
 
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WBerry

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Aqua_Girl09 said:
thats crap. children aren't just "GOOD" there are kids that need to be taught HOW to be good (i've been working in a daycare for over 2 years now) i've seen all kinds of kids. some don't need spanking. just telling them you're disappointed is enough. others need to be beat till they can't sit. ( totally got cursed out by a six year old. he won't hit me but he hits his parents)

so yeah. but you'll see once you get to take care of a child ^_^ its a BALL of fun. >_^
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I sort of agree with you, some children are good by nature, where as others need to be taught, and hitting some kids would teach them, but that isn't always effective. Hitting a child does not teach them that the action causing the punishment was bad only that if they persist they will continue to get hit only enabling their continued intrest in said action sometimes leading to sneakier ways of doing them.Its the same for adults, which may be why convicted crimilas, when let out, are soon sent back in for doing the same thing if not a related crime.
 
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Dude653

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I cant stand to see kids showin out in public. How people raise their kids is none of my business, bit sometimes I think..''Man these kids need a whoopin!''
 
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Brandon777

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WBerry said:
Oh ok, using the word DISCIPLINE is much better than BEATING. Seems too harsh. But at the same time there would be no need for discipline if parents raised their kids better.
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The need for discipline is there as it is said in the Bible because children are naturally going to test how far they can go with evil. And they need to recognize how evil what they are doing is. Parents raising their kids good INCLUDES discipline. Like that's a vital part of how a parent raises their children. Without discipline you can't raise children well period because children are naturally going to do evil. They're born into it (Pslam 51:5).

WBerry said:
I sort of agree with you, some children are good by nature, where as others need to be taught, and hitting some kids would teach them, but that isn't always effective. Hitting a child does not teach them that the action causing the punishment was bad only that if they persist they will continue to get hit only enabling their continued intrest in said action sometimes leading to sneakier ways of doing them.Its the same for adults, which may be why convicted crimilas, when let out, are soon sent back in for doing the same thing if not a related crime.
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No kids are good by nature, that's against what the Bible teaches. Even the better kids need to be told "I'm disappointed in you." for when they do something wrong. Not IF they do something wrong WHEN. "To err is human" "All have sinned and come short of the glory of God." Romans 3:23 That's why I don't agree with people when on this site they say they were saved "since they were born" because that's impossible, we must all repent at some point.
 
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Brandon777

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WBerry said:
I was skimming through the bible and stumble across this:

"Withhold not correction from the child: for if thou beatest him with the rod, he shall not die. Thou shalt beat him with the rod, and shalt deliver his soul from hell." Proverbs 23: 13-14

What exactly is it saying here, because i certainly do not want to be beaten with a rod as a way of delivering me from hell. Please, share your thoughts.
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Without going to you're profile I give it a 95% chance your white like me. We must also consider other cultures that also live by Christian beliefs. If you observe a Christian Black family or Christian Asian, spanking would not be the extent of punishment, and there would be beatings for misbehaving in the black family and beatings for bringing dishonor to the family for the Asian home.
 
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RebornNI

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I would take that to mean general discipline rather than actual physical force. Discipline comes in all sorts of forms and most mean that no physical harm befalls the children.

Parents will never be able to raise a child which does not need discipline! You know yourself what you were like as a child and you've seen children about I'm sure. They need discipline because they aren't born with a complete sense of what's right and what's wrong.

So what I think that passage is really saying is that if you discipline your child correctly, teaching them proper manners and behaviour, he will stay out of trouble and lead a generally better life than perhaps others would (though that's not the best way to say that). It may also be saying that if the child is disciplined it is more likely to accept God? Maybe? I don't completely know, I'm just saying what I think it might mean :)
 
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WBerry said:
I was skimming through the bible and stumble across this:

"Withhold not correction from the child: for if thou beatest him with the rod, he shall not die. Thou shalt beat him with the rod, and shalt deliver his soul from hell." Proverbs 23: 13-14

What exactly is it saying here, because i certainly do not want to be beaten with a rod as a way of delivering me from hell. Please, share your thoughts.
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do you know Jesus is described as having a rod of iron in the Book of Revelations and in prophecies about His coming?

perhaps rod does not mean the same thing the world thinks it means?

just as "sword" refers to His Words, perhaps further study will reveal what "rod" means?

Psalm 2:9
You shall break them with a rod of iron;You shall dash them to pieces like a potter’s vessel.’”

Revelation 2:27
‘ He shall rule them with a rod of iron;They shall be dashed to pieces like the potter’s vessels’ — as I also have received from My Father;

Revelation 12:5
She bore a male Child who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron. And her Child was caught up to God and His throne.

Revelation 19:15
Now out of His mouth goes a sharp sword, that with it He should strike the nations. And He Himself will rule them with a rod of iron. He Himself treads the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.

of course parents should discipline their children as God discipline His children: sternly with love and patience.

Hebrews 12:5-7
New King James Version (NKJV)
5 And you have forgotten the exhortation which speaks to you as to sons:


“ My son, do not despise the chastening of the LORD,
Nor be discouraged when you are rebuked by Him;
6 For whom the LORD loves He chastens,
And scourges every son whom He receives.”[a]

7 If you endure chastening, God deals with you as with sons; for what son is there whom a father does not chasten?
 
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syborg said:
skimming the bible is as dangerous as skimming Barak Obamas manifesto and thinking he is a good dude for the white house. . stoopid. .
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Great attitude. A teenager is interested in the bible. Finds something that he feels is questionable and sparks a conversation to get answers to his question and your response? 'stoopid' (by the way, it's spelled 'stupid'). Thats a great way to encourage people. Name calling and insults.

I think skimming the bible sometimes is a good thing. In this case it caused someone to learn more about the bible, and encouraged a discussion among believers on the topic. Well, except for the one guy that had to criticize and judge...
 
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WBerry said:
I was skimming through the bible and stumble across this:

"Withhold not correction from the child: for if thou beatest him with the rod, he shall not die. Thou shalt beat him with the rod, and shalt deliver his soul from hell." Proverbs 23: 13-14

What exactly is it saying here, because i certainly do not want to be beaten with a rod as a way of delivering me from hell. Please, share your thoughts.
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try looking it up in NIV or NLT.I am not a big fan of KJV
 
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jackline

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shiner500 said:
try looking it up in NIV or NLT.I am not a big fan of KJV
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NIV. do not withhold discipline from a child; if you punish him with the rod, he will not die. punish him with the rod and save his soul from death.
 
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kenneth2816

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I think one thing to keep in mind: Discipline is what is done FOR someone, not TO someone.
 
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