Could Someone try to convince me in God?

[lil_christian]

Originally Posted by Saul_Durian

It kind of made sense, but are you arguing against me? But I think you missed my point. From a scientific stand point, one could argue that one true God does exist. Based on the infinite laws of probability behind string theory, God must exist. That isn't random. It makes God an expected and quantifiable measure.

Nooo, I'm not arguing against you. As I said, I'm just giving you some things to think about...showing you what other religions say, and what Christianity says.

[Andymac2324]

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Christians under fire

[Andymac2324]

Christians under fire

look at this

...always under fire, rain or shine. But thats just how it will be. But the REAL question that should be asked is... why do we remain under such fire and why don't we just run away? Why not run to something that would be easier...like with the mockers?

...because it is something to hold onto, it is the thing that helps us endure through pain, through hardship, and when we are afraid our hearts do not fail because of that fear, the word remains strong
and never dies in those who believe. that is the supernatural power to it - the word that never fails.

it is a truth that can be only attained through person experience.

[lil_christian]

Originally Posted by Andymac2324

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Christians under fire

I think the word is CONVICTED....

[jimmydiggs]

The argument that God is real because the Bible says God is real...is just stupid.

Nope. I'll have to explain my thoughts on this, if you are interested.

"If all men are liars, and man wrote the bible, does that disprove religion?"

First premise doesn't support the conclusion. You would have to modify it to be, "All men are lieing all the time, man wrote the bible, therefor it's lies"

Presuppositionally, that would be correct.

If the universe is infinite, with infinite possibilities. God MUST exist as a matter of possibility.

The universe isn't infinite, sorry. You can't have a real nfinite set.

[Saul_Durian]

Originally Posted by jimmydiggs

Nope. I'll have to explain my thoughts on this, if you are interested.

I would love to hear your thoughts on this, that is why I am here.

Originally Posted by jimmydiggs

First premise doesn't support the conclusion. You would have to modify it to be, "All men are lieing all the time, man wrote the bible, therefor it's lies"

Presuppositionally, that would be correct.

Point taken

Originally Posted by jimmydiggs

The universe isn't infinite, sorry. You can't have a real nfinite set.

You would have alot of people that disagree with you that the universe in not infinite. That is why I base that conclusion on the string theory. Mathematically, and from a scientific stand point, it holds up.

[kewl42]

gotta convince yourself buddy.

[Dogma]

Belief is not a choice, nor is it willful. If you want to truly believe in something, you must first understand it. I would suggest doing research, reading the holy text pertaining to your religion of choice (assuming you are actively seeking to bind yourself to a dogma), and partake in healthy amount of rational inquiry/ self reflection.

[Saul_Durian]

Originally Posted by Dogma

Belief is not a choice, nor is it willful. If you want to truly believe in something, you must first understand it. I would suggest doing research, reading the holy text pertaining to your religion of choice (assuming you are actively seeking to bind yourself to a dogma), and partake in healthy amount of rational inquiry/ self reflection.

I don't really believe that belief isn't a choice. That would mean people don't have free will. And without free will, what is the point of God offering salvation? What is the point of religion at all?

[Dogma]

Saul, you are missing the point entirely. I cannot just choose what to believe in, as belief is multifaceted and is contingent on cultural pressures, predispositions, etc.

I can't just will myself into believing something. For example, no matter how hard I try, I simply cannot believe in the toothfairy. I could tell myself as well as others that I do in fact believe in the toothfairy, but I would be lying to myself and others.

[Saul_Durian]

Originally Posted by Dogma

Saul, you are missing the point entirely. I cannot just choose what to believe in, as belief is multifaceted and is contingent on cultural pressures, predispositions, etc.

I can't just will myself into believing something. For example, no matter how hard I try, I simply cannot believe in the toothfairy. I could tell myself as well as others that I do in fact believe in the toothfairy, but I would be lying to myself and others.

Ok, point taken