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I believe that God, allah, and every other monotheistic religion's god are one and the same. given, for example, how similar the koran and the bible are in terms of message: be kind to your fellow man, live a life of good and generosity. Is there anyone that agrees? or disagrees? and why. bear in mind, that if you disagree, please be pleasant about it. there is no need for hating on people because of their different beliefs. that's what got the twin towers bombed, the crusades started, and countless other dead.
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Oh man, are you gonna catch flak for this. I tend to agree. I think God has inspired many people through the ages, and those inspirations are all presented differently.

But man, you might get flamed for this, I sure do when I post stuff that questions the traditional beliefs.
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I don't agree. I do believe there ate a lot of similarities, but the cores of each religion are very different. Christianity is about kiing under the grace bought through Jesus. If Jesus is the way the truth and the life, while doing goods things are commendable, they have limited benefit and they don't get you anywhere. I wont hate on you, but if you want to know some more of the differences pm me and we can talk. I've had lots of experience in other religions and belief systems.
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speaking as a revert, i found that islam was not so much of a true religion (it has tidbits that do not line up at all with the bible) and that by naming Jesus as simply a prophet who DID not die and was not resurrected, yeah clearly that has some issues.
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I believe that God, allah, and every other monotheistic religion's god are one and the same. given, for example, how similar the koran and the bible are in terms of message: be kind to your fellow man, live a life of good and generosity. Is there anyone that agrees? or disagrees? and why. bear in mind, that if you disagree, please be pleasant about it. there is no need for hating on people because of their different beliefs. that's what got the twin towers bombed, the crusades started, and countless other dead.
Jesus Christ is Lord and Savior, that's the difference.

By Faith... not by works.

That's really all you need to know how massive the difference is... definitely not the same.
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Jesus Christ is Lord and Savior, that's the difference.

By Faith... not by works.

That's really all you need to know how massive the difference is... definitely not the same.
Well... Islam is the same. It's just less confusing and without contradiction. See The Bible says through faith, by grace you are saved, not by works. But then it also says a faith without works is dead. "I'll show you my faith by my works" James 2:18. So it is by works as well as faith, same as with Islam.
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Doesn't Islam teach that you can decieve others to turn others to your religion? as far as I know the bible does not teach that?
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Read the Old testament, to understand where these false religions come from.....

They are similar because men copied the bits that they liked and decided they would re write the bits that they did not like etc....

Why do you think we are so corrupted and deceived?

Because "man" thought they knew/know better than Our Almighty Yahweh.


Arrogance, greed, pride, ignorance.......... when you tap into that corrupted seed, you will be in a state of delusion, those evil spirits will enhance that corrupt seed. Until you are convincing forcing others to accept mans idea.....

What happens when men start to play with fire? They get burnt.


Once you receive the Holy spirit it will overpower the corrupt seed, and guide you to the truth.

Just because people promote peace and love, it does not mean they are to be listened to.

Anyone who denies Yahweh and his son Yeshua is wrong.

, "Beware of the false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly are ravenous wolves (Matt. 7:15). The warning was important because Jesus later said to them: "Behold, I send you out as sheep in the midst of wolves; therefore be shrewd as serpents, and innocent as doves" (Matt. 10:16)

Nowhere does Yahweh or Yeshua bring the message of accepting these religions and living happily ever after........... it is mans idea of peace not our Heavenly Father Yahweh's.

Yeshua is the way we can be saved from this world, not the way we all live happily ever after among the wolves!

Read the Old testament and you will see why your idea's is not acceptable in any circumstance.

We are not to hate and attack, we are to love and pray, not accept, there is a big difference.

We do not participate with these religions, the deception is at it's peak and we need to repent.

Because there is only so much our loving Almighty Yahweh can take of this, his suffering is too great, why should he tolerate this any longer, only his grace gives us Salvation through his son Yeshua our Saviour.

We all deserve to persih for our wickedness, it is only his never ending love for us that we can have eternal life with him.
How merciful he is, how wicked we have become.

We asked for it by not listening and obeying, a lesson learnt for us all.
Repent and accept Salvation, because there is only one way to be forgiven and that is through Yahweh's son Yeshua our Saviour.
Please pick up a Bible and read, hear the suffering, the anger of our Creator Yahweh.
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If all known religions are the same, that means there is no lie, there is no devil, that means we are all going to incarnate, go to heaven, and disappear forever? Now let me show you why our God is great and different from others. First, He does not demand any sacrifices from us but asks that we give our own, Which God or king ever gave up all authority and glory just for humans? He saves us not by works, but by grace. He says do not murder and treat good those who treat you in evil ways. He speaks to His children daily, and they listen and speak to Him. Jesus never lies and He says no one comes to the father except through me. Only by accepting Jesus can one have access to God. It is not by ceremonies or vain works, but by grace. God bless
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Well... Islam is the same. It's just less confusing and without contradiction. See The Bible says through faith, by grace you are saved, not by works. But then it also says a faith without works is dead. "I'll show you my faith by my works" James 2:18. So it is by works as well as faith, same as with Islam.
That's a misunderstood Book actually. It's by Faith, it begins by Faith and the expression of Faith will be good fruit, works... as James 2:18 says "I'll show you my faith by my works"

But it starts with Faith, proceeds with Faith, ends with Faith in God and there's the expression of it which is good works.

Check this verse out please...
John 15:5

5 I am the vine, you are the branches; he who abides in Me and I in him, he bears much fruit, for apart from Me you can do nothing.

Note, that you are completely dependent on God, you can do nothing without him. Another thing is that it's clear that there's works involved... aka fruit. So you see works is a big deal, but without Faith, works are nothing because we need God to do anything... and if you notice someone proclaiming to have Faith, yet have no works... then that Faith is false. They go hand and hand... Faith and Works, but clearly the dominant one if Faith because of complete dependence on God and God works through Faith.
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I think there are a lot of similarities in different religions because truth is truth and humans and humans. They all seek to bring peace and the methods for doing so are naturally similar.

However, I don't think that means they are all completely true. They cannot possibly be since Jesus makes claims that must be either true or false.

From a purely philosophical standpoint, though, I agree. There is a lot of overlap.

I will say, as a sidenote, that you shouldn't be surprised that the Qur'an is similar to the Bible. It is basically a copy of the Bible with a few changes that downplay the role of Jesus and play up the role of Muhammad. It copies the stories without getting the point.
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There is only one way to heaven. That's through Jesus Christ.

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John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
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Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat: Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it. Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.
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What makes other religions different?

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Amazon.com: Spirit of Truth and the Spirit of Error: World Religions -in packages of 10 pamphlets (9780802482402): Steven Cory: Books

Islam:
Islam
Answering Islam, A Christian-Muslim Dialog and Apologetic

Overall game-plan for inter-faith end-game is in fact Ecumenicism:
Ecumenism
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If you are a Christian you simply CAN'T accept other religions as true....you would be denying Jesus' sacrifice as necessary for salvation and you would be proclaiming your own faith to be false.This is a big offense to God because you would be saying that sending his only Son to die for us was unnecessary, you would be saying that false religions are the work of God since they bring salvation too...How wrong is that ? God being the author of the lies of the world? The Holy Spirit inspiring all the religions? Can a christian support that idea?

Anyone who runs ahead and does not continue in the teaching of Christ does not have God; whoever continues in the teaching has both the Father and the Son. If anyone comes to you and does not bring this teaching, do not take them into your house or welcome them.Anyone who welcomes them shares in their wicked work.
1 John 1:9-11

Why are the churches sending missionaries to proclaim the gospel if people can find the truth by themselves? If christianity is just like any other religion...I wouldn't be christian, heck I would be an atheist with good values, that's it. But no...there is a truth, and the truth is Christ. Jesus is the Way, the Truth, and the Life, he is not just one of the ways, he is The Way and there is no other. Satan has always been trying to imitate God's work, and no surprise...he is the father of all lies and there is no truth in him (John 8:44).

''Salvation is found in no one else, for there is no other name given under heaven by which we must be saved.'' Acts 4:12

Btw the Koran and the Bible are completely different in essence...any writing that denies Jesus as Savior and Lord comes from Satan:

Who is the liar? It is the man who denies that Jesus is the Christ. Such a man is the antichrist--he denies the Father and the Son. A John 2:22

This is how you can recognize the Spirit of God: Every spirit that acknowledges that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God, but every spirit that does not acknowledge Jesus is not from God. This is the spirit of the antichrist, which you have heard is coming and even now is already in the world. 1 John 4: 2-3

Telling the truth is not hating on other people, but denying the truth which is Christ can have severe eternal consequences. We are called to tell the truth lovingly, and even love our enemies and pray for them there is no doubt....but we are not called to compromise the truth just to please man.
God bless you and I hope you can discern the differences between truth and lies...
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I disagree and wow I do feel like I'm going nuts. woohoo!!!
On a more serious note, anyone who thinks all religions are the same should read the Qu'ran, The teachings of Siddhartha (buddhism), and about Hinduism (there is no specific body of text taught in Hinduism). Those make up the three major world religions. You'll find that they share few similarities and are more different than they are alike.
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God, Yahweh, and Allah are ALL the same person, but wait, it's different than what you think
God is English
Yahweh is Hebrew
Allah is Arabic
You go to Iran, a Christian will say he believes in Allah, this is something all of people don't know. Did god tell muhammad all the things he put in the Koran, no he told him none of it, religious studies have claimed it was most likely a demon by the name of abbadon, who numerically corresponds with Muslim beliefs.
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Yes, technically all three Abrahamic religions worship the same God. Anyone who says otherwised is misinformed and or ignorant.
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Yes, technically all three Abrahamic religions worship the same God. Anyone who says otherwised is misinformed and or ignorant.

Have you read the Old Testament?


Then who are the other gods, mentioned in the old testament that they were worshipping?, did they suddenly accept Yahweh as the Almighty God?


There is one Yahweh and if you do not accept his son Yeshua, then you do not accept Yahweh our loving Almighty God.



You are the misinformed one, because you have accepted mans idea as true, and not checked if it matches the Bible............

Of course originally we all are related, but our ancestors went their own ways long ago....




Because that they have forsaken me, and have bowed down to Ashtoreth the Elohim of the Sidonians, to Chemosh the Elohim of the Moabites, and Milcom the Elohim of the sons of Ammon, and they have not walked in my ways, to do that which is right in my eyes, and to keep my statutes and my judgments, as did David his father. (1Ki 11:33, my translation)



Now here Yahweh warns us of these other gods.....
Yahweh is Almighty and he is the one true God, that wanted only that we love and obey him, and only him.

The corrupted seed in us left the dark spirits able to lead people away from Yahweh the Almighty GOD.

If anyone argues with you that their god is the true god, you have many examples of our Almighty GOD Yahweh putting all the others in their place time after time.

The only time the Chosen people would lose or fail is when they went off worshiping, and not following Yahweh with all their heart and soul.

Yahweh is the Most high GOD and always was, these other dark spirits are able to lead people away that do not love Yahweh with all their heart and soul.

If you love Almighty Yahweh with all your heart and soul, then none can come against you.

The same message is told throughout the Bible, yet so many go astray....


Islam is continuing in the bloody battle that once was how things were done.

We now have an example of Yeshua our Saviour to follow.. He did not come with a sword and kill the people not following Yahweh the Most loving.

No he came to give all a warning and final chance to be Saved through his death.

So the time since Yeshua our saviour coming, to the time he returns to end it all.

Is our chance to be saved from eternal hell, and have eternal life.

The people who do not accept Yahweh's son Yeshua as Saviour, are continuing the old ways, and will until the end.

The Harvest is the time when a stop to all this will come, but we have all had enough times to repent and accept Salvation.


Religion is the problem, and always was.

The problem was people being tempted by the dark spirits, instead of following Yahweh the Almighty GOD.

The corrupted seed was played on by the dark spirits, greed pride etc, everything we are warned of, many do not take heed and hence where we are in time today.


The deception is at it's peak, and the dark side is posing as the Good side.

Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. (Matthew 7:15 KJV)


I urge you all to read the Bible front to back, and see how all things came to pass, and what is yet to pass...

I know the deception is hard to overcome it, but it is the only thing we were meant to do.

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Yes, technically all three Abrahamic religions worship the same God. Anyone who says otherwised is misinformed and or ignorant.

Have you read the Old Testament?


Then who are the other gods, mentioned in the old testament that they were worshipping?, did they suddenly accept Yahweh as the Almighty God?


There is one Yahweh and if you do not accept his son Yeshua, then you do not accept Yahweh our loving Almighty God.



You are the misinformed one, because you have accepted mans idea as true, and not checked if it matches the Bible............

Of course originally we all are related, but our ancestors went their own ways long ago....




Because that they have forsaken me, and have bowed down to Ashtoreth the Elohim of the Sidonians, to Chemosh the Elohim of the Moabites, and Milcom the Elohim of the sons of Ammon, and they have not walked in my ways, to do that which is right in my eyes, and to keep my statutes and my judgments, as did David his father. (1Ki 11:33, my translation)



Now here Yahweh warns us of these other gods.....
Yahweh is Almighty and he is the one true God, that wanted only that we love and obey him, and only him.

The corrupted seed in us left the dark spirits able to lead people away from Yahweh the Almighty GOD.

If anyone argues with you that their god is the true god, you have many examples of our Almighty GOD Yahweh putting all the others in their place time after time.

The only time the Chosen people would lose or fail is when they went off worshiping, and not following Yahweh with all their heart and soul.

Yahweh is the Most high GOD and always was, these other dark spirits are able to lead people away that do not love Yahweh with all their heart and soul.

If you love Almighty Yahweh with all your heart and soul, then none can come against you.

The same message is told throughout the Bible, yet so many go astray....


Islam is continuing in the bloody battle that once was how things were done.

We now have an example of Yeshua our Saviour to follow.. He did not come with a sword and kill the people not following Yahweh the Most loving.

No he came to give all a warning and final chance to be Saved through his death.

So the time since Yeshua our saviour coming, to the time he returns to end it all.

Is our chance to be saved from eternal hell, and have eternal life.

The people who do not accept Yahweh's son Yeshua as Saviour, are continuing the old ways, and will until the end.

The Harvest is the time when a stop to all this will come, but we have all had enough times to repent and accept Salvation.


Religion is the problem, and always was.

The problem was people being tempted by the dark spirits, instead of following Yahweh the Almighty GOD.

The corrupted seed was played on by the dark spirits, greed pride etc, everything we are warned of, many do not take heed and hence where we are in time today.


The deception is at it's peak, and the dark side is posing as the Good side.

Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. (Matthew 7:15 KJV)


I urge you all to read the Bible front to back, and see how all things came to pass, and what is yet to pass...

I know the deception is hard to overcome it, but it is the only thing we were meant to do.
No need to go off and post a story dude, and Im trying to be nice here.

It is true Yahweh is the one god, but in a different language you'd call him Allah, another god., the bible DOES say that god has many names., and this is the case here.

When he said technically they worship the same god, he was right, but think. Have you ever seen someone lie about someone? This is the problem with Jews and Muslims, they have. Been lied to. We're not saying that all three religions are saying the same thing, but our focus is the same god, yet those two have warped views.

The words they have that tells them what god wants is probably from demons, or a least that's it with Muslims, the Jews problem is they don't accept that Jesus was Jesus, otherwise Jews would be Christians. But again that's not the case.

Yahweh is the alpha, but if your Arabic you'd call him Allah, cause Allah is your word for Yahweh, it doesn't make him a different person, or make you be talking about a different person.
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