Premarital sex question- what is marriage?

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Okay, so I always hear the "wait till you're married" position on sex, abstinence, etc. etc. And that's all fine and good, it is indeed in the Bible. But what is God's definition of marriage in the first place?

You have to consider that the Bible was written several years ago, and that what's "married" for those in the bible times, may have been vastly different than what it is today, and what it is today might be vastly different than what it is 500 years from now.

For example, maybe in the year 2500 marriage means you cut off your arm with a knife. And I don't know about you, but at that point I'd opt out of marriage.

So what you have to do is look at the true meaning of the law, what's the point of it? Like "don't eat pigs", really translates to "don't eat things that will give you diseases". It's a practical sort of law. So why not have sex until marriage?

Well most obviously it has to do with parenting, if you had sex back then, there was a pretty good chance of a baby coming out of it. Moses' contraception methods were pretty much limited to timing. So to avoid having a bunch of stray kids with unknown parents running around, marriage is created. 2 people are committed to the human being that they brought into the world, until the day they die.

So it's a commitment thing. So if someone plans to stay with another person for the rest of their lives, then wouldn't sex be okay? It's the same principle, and it's the same concept. The only difference in "marriage" is that the government has to sign a paper, and if you ever want out you're going to have to go through about a year of legal battles.

Does God care if the government knows about your relationship? Probably not.

And honestly if you get divorced, it's pretty much exactly the same as having premarital sex. Marriage is important because there's a permanence to it, and if that permanence is lost then you might as well have never been married.

What are your thoughts on the matter?
 
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And no, this isn't a ploy to convince my girlfriend that sex is totally rad because "I'll never leave ya baby".
 
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SpaceCowboy

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And no, this isn't a ploy to convince my girlfriend that sex is totally rad because "I'll never leave ya baby".
Sold yourself out man lol. Check it out. Look at your motives. Put the intellectualization and the 'this and that' aside for a min. and really, really look at the motives behind the asking and inquiry of such a topic. Are you really concerned with the true meaning of marriage under God? Or do you just want to fornicate with your girl??..Chances are the latter. Your trying to twist and be crafty to gratify your flesh. Plain and simple.

Marriage is a commitment you make before God with your spouse. Government papers don't make marriage to God. It's the commitment you make before him. It's a vow before God to your spouse.
 
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jimmydiggs

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You answered your own question.

>>>>>But what is God's definition of marriage in the first place?

>>>>>And that's all fine and good, it is indeed in the Bible.

Malachi 2:14(ESV) said:
14 But you say, “Why does he not?” Because the Lord was witness between you and the wife of your youth, to whom you have been faithless, though she is your companion and your wife by covenant.
Marriage is a Covenant.

Genesis 2:24ESV) said:
24 Therefore a man shall leave his father and his mother and hold fast to his wife, and they shall become one flesh.
Matthew 19:4-6 said:
4 He answered, "Have you not read that he who created them from the beginning made them male and female, 5 and said, Therefore a man shall leave his father and his mother and hold fast to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh?
Between one man and one woman.

John 4:17-18 said:
John 4:17-18
English Standard Version (ESV)
17 The woman answered him, “I have no husband.” Jesus said to her, “You are right in saying, ‘I have no husband’; 18 for you have had five husbands, and the one you now have is not your husband. What you have said is true.”
What we in the west would call Common-Law Marriage, doesn't have scriptural support according to the above.

Luke 16:18 said:
18 “Anyone who divorces his wife and marries another woman commits adultery, and the man who marries a divorced woman commits adultery.
The above is a verse most churches like to ignore.

Matthew 5:32 said:
32 But I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife, except for sexual immorality, makes her the victim of adultery, and anyone who marries a divorced woman commits adultery.
Matthew 19:9 said:
9 I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife, except for sexual immorality, and marries another woman commits adultery.”
1 Corinthians 7 said:
10 To the married I give this command (not I, but the Lord): A wife must not separate from her husband. 11 But if she does, she must remain unmarried or else be reconciled to her husband. And a husband must not divorce his wife.

12 To the rest I say this (I, not the Lord): If any brother has a wife who is not a believer and she is willing to live with him, he must not divorce her. 13 And if a woman has a husband who is not a believer and he is willing to live with her, she must not divorce him. 14 For the unbelieving husband has been sanctified through his wife, and the unbelieving wife has been sanctified through her believing husband. Otherwise your children would be unclean, but as it is, they are holy.

15 But if the unbeliever leaves, let it be so. The brother or the sister is not bound in such circumstances; God has called us to live in peace. 16 How do you know, wife, whether you will save your husband? Or, how do you know, husband, whether you will save your wife?
Divorce and remarriage = big no no with only a couple possible exceptions.

1 Corinthians 7:2 said:
2 But because of the temptation to sexual immorality, each man should have his own wife and each woman her own husband.
Pre-marital sexual relations = sexual immorality.

Romans 7 said:
1 Do you not know, brothers and sisters—for I am speaking to those who know the law—that the law has authority over someone only as long as that person lives? 2 For example, by law a married woman is bound to her husband as long as he is alive, but if her husband dies, she is released from the law that binds her to him. 3 So then, if she has sexual relations with another man while her husband is still alive, she is called an adulteress. But if her husband dies, she is released from that law and is not an adulteress if she marries another man.
Paul uses the marriage covenant to give a comparison to the Law.

Romans 7 said:
4 So, my brothers and sisters, you also died to the law through the body of Christ, that you might belong to another, to him who was raised from the dead, in order that we might bear fruit for God. 5 For when we were in the realm of the flesh,[a] the sinful passions aroused by the law were at work in us, so that we bore fruit for death. 6 But now, by dying to what once bound us, we have been released from the law so that we serve in the new way of the Spirit, and not in the old way of the written code.
Paul Washer is great for information on marriage.

[video]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AP6cc2aBecE[/video]
 

GOD_IS_LOVE

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Does God care if the government knows about your relationship?
What God cares for is a public declaration of your commitment to each other, in front of your family ( "the man shall leave his father and mother and be united to his wife"), of your community and of God.
 
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Dude two words - cold showers.
 
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jimmydiggs

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Dude two words - cold showers.
So, we go from justifying one sin to the next?



Galatians 5:13(ESV)
For you were called to freedom, brothers. Only do not use your freedom as an opportunity for the flesh, but through love serve one another.

1 John 2:16(ESV)
For all that is in the world—the desires of the flesh and the desires of the eyes and pride in possessions—is not from the Father but is from the world.

Matthew 5:27-30(NIV)
27 “You have heard that it was said, ‘You shall not commit adultery.’[a] 28 But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart. 29 If your right eye causes you to stumble, gouge it out and throw it away. It is better for you to lose one part of your body than for your whole body to be thrown into hell. 30 And if your right hand causes you to stumble, cut it off and throw it away. It is better for you to lose one part of your body than for your whole body to go into hell.

1 Corinthians 6:19-20(NIV)
19 Do you not know that your bodies are temples of the Holy Spirit, who is in you, whom you have received from God? You are not your own; 20 you were bought at a price. Therefore honor God with your bodies.

CARM.org said:
  • 1 Cor. 6:18, "Flee immorality. Every other sin that a man commits is outside the body, but the immoral man sins against his own body."
The Greek word for "immorality" is porneia which means illicit sexual intercourse, i.e., fornication, homosexuality, lesbianism, bestiality, etc. The English word "pornography" is derived from this Greek word.​
  • Eph. 5:3, "But do not let immorality or any impurity or greed even be named among you, as is proper among saints."
Again, the word for "immorality" is porneia.​
  • Col. 3:5, "Therefore consider the members of your earthly body as dead to immorality, impurity, passion, evil desire, and greed, which amounts to idolatry."
Again, the word for "immorality" is porneia.​
  • 1 Thess. 4:2-5, "For you know what commandments we gave you by the authority of the Lord Jesus. 3 For this is the will of God, your sanctification; that is, that you abstain from sexual immorality; 4 that each of you know how to possess his own vessel in sanctification and honor, 5 not in lustful passion, like the Gentiles who do not know God."
Again, the word for "sexual immorality" is porneia. The reference in verse four to "own vessel" is to having a wife so that fornication would be avoided.​
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What sin I was just telling him when he feels the urges take a cold shower that's all. Is it a sin to take a cold shower now? I really don't know.
 
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Wow wow wow wow in no way was I telling this dude to masterbate. I really didn't know guys do that when they cold shower. I'm a girl all I know is cold shower and that's all I thought happens in there. Thanks for letting me know.
 
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Wow wow wow wow in no way was I telling this dude to masterbate. I really didn't know guys do that when they cold shower. I'm a girl all I know is cold shower and that's all I thought happens in there. Thanks for letting me know.
My apologies. I thought for sure you were using "cold shower" in reference to the slang term.
 
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NazariteVow

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It's ok I accept your apology.
 
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SpaceCowboy

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were all besties now!! lol
 
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My apologies. I thought for sure you were using "cold shower" in reference to the slang term.
I didn't even know that was a slang term until now. But is masturbation even a sin?
 

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See now that ^ question is a more interesting debate. Lust is a sin and since masturbation is out of lust then yes its a sin.

Matthew 5:28 &#8211; &#8220;You have heard that it was said, &#8216;Do not commit adultery.&#8217; But I tell you that anyone who has looked a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart.&#8221;

Onan is often referenced but it wasn't masturbating that he was put to death for, it was because he was supposed to "use his seed" to impregnate his brothers wife but he chose to spill it elsewhere, he actually did have sex with her he just chose not to impregnate her.

Genesis 38:8-10 &#8211; &#8220;Then Judah said to Onan, &#8216;Lie with your brother&#8217;s wife and fulfill your duty to her as a brother-in-law to produce offspring for your brother.&#8217; But Onan knew that the offspring would not be his; so whenever he lay with his brother&#8217;s wife he spilled his semen on the ground to keep from producing offspring for his brother. What he did was wicked in the Lord&#8217;s sight; so he put him to death also.&#8221;
 
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Marriage in the earthly term is the signing of the paper to make it official! Many marriages nowadays do not work out! I think God means marriage is the one that you know you never want to leave and you'd do anything for them!! not just a fling! if you think marriage wouldn't have been the same back in the old testament would they?
 
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I think God means marriage is the one that you know you never want to leave and you'd do anything for them!!
I think Marriage is for life.

Romans 6

1 Do you not know, brothers and sisters—for I am speaking to those who know the law—that the law has authority over someone only as long as that person lives? 2 For example, by law a married woman is bound to her husband as long as he is alive, but if her husband dies, she is released from the law that binds her to him. 3 So then, if she has sexual relations with another man while her husband is still alive, she is called an adulteress. But if her husband dies, she is released from that law and is not an adulteress if she marries another man.
 
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Yeah I am a very new Christian and still trying to understand many things about everything any help would be much appreciated!!!