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Well, what arguments are they using? It is important to understand your opponents position when trying to convince them that they have made an error in coming to the conclusions that they have.
What are you trying to get them to understand? Are you trying to get them to accept the bible as literal? Are you trying to get them to accept Christ?
State what your goals are in these debates to us so that we can help you.
What are you trying to get them to understand? Are you trying to get them to accept the bible as literal? Are you trying to get them to accept Christ?
State what your goals are in these debates to us so that we can help you.
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Science only presents a challenge to a literal interpretation of Genesis- an interpretation held by a small minority of Christians.
The majority of Jews and Christians read Genesis as largely allegorical. Science presents no threat or challenge to that interpretation.
It is a typical atheist attack tactic to REQUIRE literal translations. For their attacks to work, you must accept their interpretation of the Bible... but that would be a very stupid move because they have no idea what they're talking about. They have an agenda and it's NOT understanding.
If they're being honest with themselves, a better understanding of science points directly to very much of the Bible being undeniably true, specifically the realities of human nature and what is required to overcome (and why it's necessary to overcome).
The majority of Jews and Christians read Genesis as largely allegorical. Science presents no threat or challenge to that interpretation.
It is a typical atheist attack tactic to REQUIRE literal translations. For their attacks to work, you must accept their interpretation of the Bible... but that would be a very stupid move because they have no idea what they're talking about. They have an agenda and it's NOT understanding.
If they're being honest with themselves, a better understanding of science points directly to very much of the Bible being undeniably true, specifically the realities of human nature and what is required to overcome (and why it's necessary to overcome).
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as has been said, it kind of depends what they are attacking.
For instance:
While I personally belive in a literal five day creation, a longer timespan isn't really a problem to me: The bible says that one day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years like one day to God. And also, God, from my understanding, more or less created time (the way we know it) during creation, he is eternal himself after all, so time has no meaning to Him. (I do believe everything was created though).
For instance:
While I personally belive in a literal five day creation, a longer timespan isn't really a problem to me: The bible says that one day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years like one day to God. And also, God, from my understanding, more or less created time (the way we know it) during creation, he is eternal himself after all, so time has no meaning to Him. (I do believe everything was created though).
Yes... that is what I say to my Atheist friends when they are in a provoking mood. "The old testament is allegory - most of it, so you cannot use that as evidence. Only a small group of Christians take the bible to the letter. I is the map to find God but it is written 2000 years ago."
To me Atheist are like any other believers. They do not really care about evidence but stick to their faith - even if they do not claim to have none.
To me Atheist are like any other believers. They do not really care about evidence but stick to their faith - even if they do not claim to have none.
i have had several debates with some kids at my school who have made the decision to become atheists. most of their arguments consist of science disproving the bible. i need some help on were i can acquire the knowledge to further debate them.
First Cause/Kalaam Cosmological Argument
Premise 1: Everything that begins to exist has a cause
Evidence: This is simply a casual relationship. Everything that BEGINS must have a cause in our universe due to the constraints of spacetime.
Common Objections:
Q: Why doesn't God have a cause?
A: The theistic understanding is that God is eternal and does not have a beginning. Ergo, Premise 1 does not apply to God
Q: What about "virtual particles?"
A: Virtual particles require space time to exist so, in essence, they have a cause and exist within space and time.
Premise 2: The universe began to exist
Evidence: Mathematical proof by Guth et al proves that universes such as ours come from a single point when spacetime is equal to zero. "Before" that "time" the universe did not exist.
Common Objections:
None really as most atheists accept the Big Bang Theory
Conclusion: The Universe has a Cause
Furthermore: To prevent infinite regression there must be some Uncaused Cause. This Uncaused Cause must be powerful enough to create the universe and is outside spacetime and therefore eternal. It is this Uncaused Cause that we call God.
For more arguments/good reading see...
Mere Christianity by C.S. Lewis
On Guard: Defending Your Faith with Reason and Precision by William Lane Craig
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Around four in ten Americans believe in creationism:
Agreed.
That's pretty presumptuous of you to say that, to be honest. Do you know the kids in question?
I disagree. "Human nature" consists of moral and ethical conceptions which science is not equipped to address completely -- or even partially, in most cases. Science is the study of material reality, not ethics or morality. Thus it is that science can cure diseases of the body, but not of the spirit.
Agreed.
That's pretty presumptuous of you to say that, to be honest. Do you know the kids in question?
I disagree. "Human nature" consists of moral and ethical conceptions which science is not equipped to address completely -- or even partially, in most cases. Science is the study of material reality, not ethics or morality. Thus it is that science can cure diseases of the body, but not of the spirit.
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I don't need to know specific children to make a generalization. My generalization is based on personal experience. I didn't say 'every atheist is this way' I said it's common in debate with atheists, which I know from personal experience. In many of the debates I've engaged in with atheists, it is typical for them to assume a literal translation of practically everything and then disregard the Bible entirely as ridiculous based on that interpretation. The younger or less educated the atheist, the more likely this is to come up.
OP is 16.
It's not unreasonable.
Social sciences.
OP is 16.
It's not unreasonable.
Social sciences.
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here you should find exactly what your looking for. Science and the Bible: Does the Bible Contradict Scientific Principles?
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i have had several debates with some kids at my school who have made the decision to become atheists. most of their arguments consist of science disproving the bible. i need some help on were i can acquire the knowledge to further debate them.
[video]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lEl2xvs4RG8[/video]
Hehe.
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Well, maybe you should ask them if they also dont believe in oxygen... Ive never seen it... Experiments have been done to prove that it exists but ive never seen it, so how can it be real? The same with God, we've never seen Him... So how do we know He exists? Experiments (The bible and miracles) prove that He does exist... That is enough proof for me right there.
I guess it all comes down to faith... I believe that by having faith, you have to believe in something you cant see (not just that but a large part of it)
I guess it all comes down to faith... I believe that by having faith, you have to believe in something you cant see (not just that but a large part of it)
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I have found that generally debating my faith with atheists usually creates more heat than light. That's because we've both already made up our minds and we just dig in our heels regardless of how well we out debate the other person. I'd much rather invest my time into talking to someone who has a real interest in knowing more about the gospel. However, I do think it's good to know what you believe and why. And I enjoy apologetics. In fact I just published an E-book on Amazon titled "Christianity for the Average Joe." Amazon.com: Christianity For The Average Joe eBook: Chip Tudor: Kindle Store It's written from an apologetical perspectives. It explains the basic belief system of Christianity in simple, conversational language and is targeted to non-believers that are exploring Christianity. I'd be interested in hearing what you think about it.
