Tell me would you kill...

[Nev]

I had a dream the other night that I was at war and in a Mexican stand off with a enemy spy where only one of us could get out alive. Long story short I ended up shooting them dead, I felt rather bad and shaken the next day (Was one of those dreams where you think it's actually real) The bible says no to murder but honestly do you think you could kill if it meant saving yours or another's life.

 

[Nev]

Please answer honestly and consider the implications afterwards. Murder messes you up but you would rather do that or know that you could have saved your children. And feel free to explain.

 

[TomB_2012]

I misread the top one. I thought it said 'unexpected enemy soldier'. If only I could retake the poll.

I would in fact do the second option, but only when fighting in a war or protecting friends (if I had no other options). If it was in a situation where someone attempts to physically attack or injure me (referring to unexpected enemy soldier), I would try to stop them first (incapacitate them etc). If the person was wielding a weapon (knife, gun etc), I would either try to disarm or incapacitate them. If someone had a knife to my throat (and I was flat on the floor), I'd end up going for human instinct. Get the person off me using any means necessary. I'd feel around on the floor for a brick with my hands and feet. I'd grab it and hit them on the head with it. I would intend to incapacitate them (or at least get them off me, disarmament or not). But if I killed them, it would be completely accidental and unintentional. A lot of people would do this.

I'm not an aggressive person, but I only become violent if I need to (or I lose it over a remark that offended me too much. I try not to. But sometimes, you can't help it. Especially if you grew up in a background similar to mine. Non-Christian home. Fighting with other family members. Stress. Depression).

It's is hard to resist the temptation to become violent and aggressive. In some situations, it's life or death and you have to choose whether to live or die. A lot of situations do not need violence but, as my cousin's sister told me (it's my signature), 'Don't let anyone bully you, and you'll be as strong as ever'. Defend yourself verbally, only become physical when you believe that you need to (feeling physically threatened etc).

 

[Spartacus1122]

Best topic/thread/poll ever.

 

[Chanson]

I didn't choose, because I don't want to answer hypothetical questions...

How-ever, I think killing's bad, even an insect (there may be revenge)...

While if you do not kill it in its passing, God'll reward you...

Do you remember King David? God didn't let him build the house of God because he had shed too much blood, on the battle-field...

Why not be good and pray, and you may never be in a situation like that... ?

Even if you ended up in a situation like that, you could still cry out to the God for guidance at that very moment (in your heart), before taking any action...

 

[OFM]

I Agree With Chanson,Pray in that case,and Trust The Lord .

 

[CDavid]

If the good Samaritan had been ahead of schedule, and he arrived at the scene when the attack on the traveler started, would he still be a good Samaritan if he did not use whatever force necessary to protect the traveler, even if this requires deadly force?

 

[Kefa52]

If the good Samaritan had been ahead of schedule, and he arrived at the scene when the attack on the traveler started, would he still be a good Samaritan if he did not use whatever force necessary to protect the traveler, even if this requires deadly force?

He would have been a murderer. He didn't have Gods athority to use deadly force. If you want God's athority to cary a weapon and use deadly force. Become a ploice officer.
Training,ceremony, badge,uniform all show Gods athority.

 

[Kefa52]

God has delegated his sword of protection to the Government and their agencies, Not to a bunch of gun toting vigilantes.
I am willing to bet that more inocent people wil die from guns than robbers etc. Than iff we decide to just take control

 

[See_KING_Truth]

Just as Chanson, I do not like thinking hypothetically, especially about something like this. I honestly don't know what I would do unless I were in the moment of that sort of situation, and I pray that I never have to face a situation of that sort.

 

[JGPS]

David being a man of war cleanly had a heart against God. Oh wait...

Well Gideon... Wait. Joshua? No. Samson? Moses?

But the scriptures never gave instruction to go to war. Wait...

There may be a difference between murder and war or self defence.

 

[Kefa52]

David being a man of war cleanly had a heart against God. Oh wait...

Well Gideon... Wait. Joshua? No. Samson? Moses?

But the scriptures never gave instruction to go to war. Wait...

There may be a difference between murder and war or self defence.

Were these men under athority of God or on their own power?


Romans 13;4 For government is God’s servant for your good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, because it does not carry the sword for no reason. For government is God’s servant, an avengerd 1Th 4:6 that brings wrath on the one who does wrong.



If you want God's athority to cary a weapon to serve and protect. Become a ploice officer, soldier, security guard etc.
Training,ceremony, badge,uniform all show Gods athority.

 

[Nautilus]

I'd kill to protect myself or my family, not for acquaintances(church) or people I don''t even know(supermarket).

 

[Ugly]

Killing out of anger, rage, jealousy, hatred, or just for pleasure, is what it means by not to murder. Killing to protect yourself, or as a soldier is not done with an evil intent in the heart, or a desire to kill. There may even be a reluctance to kill, but i believe they are justified because of the intentions of the heart.

 

[chesser]

I put yes to all except the soldier one, not because it was a definite no, but because i dont know

 

[NateDaGrimes]

i would kill, only to protect my family, my rights, and my freedom.

 

[zeroturbulence]

I guess you could just shoot him in the arm that he's using to hold his gun. Then he wouldn't be able to effectively aim to shoot you. He probably wouldn't even be able to hold the gun at all. I think you'd have to be a pretty good shot though.

 

[AAAPlus]

Would I kill someone who was going to harm my family? You better believe it. Someone who was shooting up a church or just random people? Absolutely. That person is on a murderous rampage and they need to be brought down. Both the law of the land and God's law agree with that. And if anyone thinks the New Testament changes all that and killing the person would not be loving...think again! Is it loving to 30 complete strangers to let a crazy person gun them down?

Nope!

 

[rachelsedge]

I guess you could just shoot him in the arm that he's using to hold his gun. Then he wouldn't be able to effectively aim to shoot you. He probably wouldn't even be able to hold the gun at all. I think you'd have to be a pretty good shot though.

Actually, my dad took classes on shooting (he was getting his conceal/carry license and the classes were reuqired, in fact I think they were Christian-based classes) and they were taught to shoot to kill. You'd have to have incredibly good aim to get their arm. The midsection/torso is the easiest target, and when the target is moving and you are in danger and adrenaline and fear are pumping through your body, the arm would be an even harder place to hit. Plus, if you miss, you've not only missed your opportunity to stop them, but you probably have also angered the attacker.

Not that you wanted to know all that.

I've always heard the argument "If you kill the attacker they'll probably go to hell, but if they kill you, you are going to heaven so it's better if you die". (Assuming that the person who is trying to kill you is not a Christian and you are) I'm not quite sure what I think of that argument, to be honest, but I can say that I don't think I'd let myself (or any of my friends, family, etc.) just "be killed".

 

[Wood-Note]

In most gun training they say as previously stated "shoot to kill" but this is said with some details. There are some details that usually are presented with these situations; The target is indeed(thoroughly confirmed) trying to attack you or an individual, The situation is around a critical level (Typically noted by around five or more stages of situational conflict or danger) based on a certain scale. Many people, both operators and martial artists use this in regards to lethal force. I had a long post written up, but I really don't think it was necessary. Simply put, seek help first and foremost. Evade the situation as much as possible, whether it be talking them down or simply seeking the path of least resistance. If these are not applicable then restrain, disable, or dissolve the situation. None of which are lethal. Restrain the person whether it be full contact or blocking their path to attack, disable any weapons or abilities to attack, dissolve the situation through communication. I personally wouldn't kill, I was always taught by instructors to disable the situation. If you hit the critical level and your instinct is to kill you might have already crossed the threshold of rationality.

I guess I'll put this here any way.
Typically situational danger is scaled somewhat( Again Somewhat, do not quote me on this) like this: a neutral situation in which nothing is truly happening, a conflict that can be talked out, a conflict is present but the other individual(s) are not acting on anything, the conflict is very apparent and the individual(s) has a high chance of action or the conflict can no longer be evaded(verbally) and the individuals are acting(Evade or disable), the situation is critical and typically by now the conflict has to be disabled immediately or long enough for support(police or other law enforcement individuals). Some scales have another step in which lethal force is used.