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I base my belief on truth. My experience wasn't subjective. I saw what I saw... after I prayed. I asked God for a vision. God gave me a vision. It's truth.
Science.. not science.. it doesn't have to be done with mathematics or any other scientific disciplines. Truth can easily be explained with the art of language. Communication... me orally telling you, informing you... what happened. What the truth is... what I saw with my own eyes.
The real problem is you just don't want to accept it.
Next, you tell me that you don't want to give credit to something that can't be repeated for actual scrutiny... your words.. I'll quote your exact words...
"But I will not admit that you have a monopoly on truth based on an experience which cannot be repeated or transferred for actual scrutiny."
Please, re-read that again... many times and think about evolution and the big bang theory... please. Can we repeat that? No of course not lol But no, the exception must be evolution and the big bang theory.. right? Also, I did repeat the experience...
So, I do have a "monopoly" on truth because you didn't see how the universe was created.. however I did see God in action. I did see God respond. I do have ground to speak on that I only imagine few can speak on. So, if I tell you God exists because I was there when God responded. And you tell me that you think billions of years ago.. we were formed by the process of evolution... an unproven theory... while the question is... Does God exist? What is more fundamentally important here? My vision... or this unproven theory when you weren't even a witness of creation... I'm a witness of God's existence... it's pretty clear that what I am telling you trumps everything you could ever tell me on your basis of argument/theory. I saw God in action therefore God does exists.
Islam in short is "copy and past and add in and take away a few things from Christianity or Judaism." Anyways, my answer will be as if you didn't mention Islam.
1. Wrong, actually, I did manage to repeat and test it. I have a record of my spiritual vision. Besides that, I also have physical evidence on a prayer response.
2. Wrong again, actually there is a method to "test" what I have seen and the results I have gained. It's simple, God asks for our faith and you may see miracles happen in your life. Maybe not always because it's up to God to decide that but there is a method and the results do happen.
3.I'll add to that... Truth is subjective to God. But on our side of the fence, truth is objective to us. Next, I want to quote you "Evidence which can only be received or experienced by one person, is by nature not tangible or useful evidence." and first of all say that, that was one of the worst statements about truth or evidence I've ever read. It doesn't take a group of people or more than one person to confirm evidence... it takes truth. That's all it takes... just being honest. Either way, I explain below that this didn't happen to me only. I know family and I've met other people with these experiences.
I'll give you a hint... I don't think it's for-fetched to say that, usually, on a daily basis... we live our every-day lives off evidence that is received or experienced by one person... on a daily basis.
Another hint... U
The vision still stands. I'll throw in, my brothers seeing a demon and quote, he said "I was chased by a monster"
He also saw me being followed by what he described as a man that was completely black and if I recall correctly I felt as if someone was following me... just before he told me about that. I think it's worth noting that when he told me this... I saw his face and his eyes were wide and his mouth was wide open and it looked like he stumbled on his back... I never saw him so scared... and he said "Didn Didn Didn't you see it?" and he explained what he saw. I then told him, "it's okay, those things can't hurt us, we're with God."
These things didn't happen just one time... or just me. I know people... not just family either.
God loves you so much that he was willing to die for you. However because people love evil so much.. they deny it and suppress the truth. That's what the scriptures say and I'll be praying for you. I think this about it. I'm going to be talking to you for the next few weeks and maybe no results.
This is one of the verses that hits home with me...
Jeremiah 33:3
[SUP]3 [/SUP]‘Call to Me, and I will answer you, and show you great and mighty things, which you do not know.
The reason I had a vision was because of the story of a man in the Bible. His name was Gideon.
Judges 6:39
[SUP]39 [/SUP]Then Gideon said to God, “Do not be angry with me, but let me speak just once more: Let me test, I pray, just once more with the fleece; let it now be dry only on the fleece, but on all the ground let there be dew.”
He had faith in God and he decided to confirm God's will with a test. I looked at his story and his test as a way to end my skepticism. I realized Faith was key. I've read the Bible and realized that it was good. Why not have Faith in God who always does good? What's wrong with "thou shall not murder?" Or "thou shall not steal?" It was reasonable to give God my faith and that's what I did... I gave God my Faith which apparently is how the system works. I prayed, asked and trusted in God to give me a vision. I said, if he gave me one like he did to his prophets that I'd serve him all my life but if he didn't I'd never believe in him no-matter what.
Just in-case your wondering I converted because I wanted truth and justice. I got truth and with the truth of God's existence. I know he'll bring perfect justice as-well.
So, here I am, knowing God exists.
Science.. not science.. it doesn't have to be done with mathematics or any other scientific disciplines. Truth can easily be explained with the art of language. Communication... me orally telling you, informing you... what happened. What the truth is... what I saw with my own eyes.
The real problem is you just don't want to accept it.
Next, you tell me that you don't want to give credit to something that can't be repeated for actual scrutiny... your words.. I'll quote your exact words...
"But I will not admit that you have a monopoly on truth based on an experience which cannot be repeated or transferred for actual scrutiny."
Please, re-read that again... many times and think about evolution and the big bang theory... please. Can we repeat that? No of course not lol But no, the exception must be evolution and the big bang theory.. right? Also, I did repeat the experience...
So, I do have a "monopoly" on truth because you didn't see how the universe was created.. however I did see God in action. I did see God respond. I do have ground to speak on that I only imagine few can speak on. So, if I tell you God exists because I was there when God responded. And you tell me that you think billions of years ago.. we were formed by the process of evolution... an unproven theory... while the question is... Does God exist? What is more fundamentally important here? My vision... or this unproven theory when you weren't even a witness of creation... I'm a witness of God's existence... it's pretty clear that what I am telling you trumps everything you could ever tell me on your basis of argument/theory. I saw God in action therefore God does exists.
Islam in short is "copy and past and add in and take away a few things from Christianity or Judaism." Anyways, my answer will be as if you didn't mention Islam.
1. Wrong, actually, I did manage to repeat and test it. I have a record of my spiritual vision. Besides that, I also have physical evidence on a prayer response.
2. Wrong again, actually there is a method to "test" what I have seen and the results I have gained. It's simple, God asks for our faith and you may see miracles happen in your life. Maybe not always because it's up to God to decide that but there is a method and the results do happen.
3.I'll add to that... Truth is subjective to God. But on our side of the fence, truth is objective to us. Next, I want to quote you "Evidence which can only be received or experienced by one person, is by nature not tangible or useful evidence." and first of all say that, that was one of the worst statements about truth or evidence I've ever read. It doesn't take a group of people or more than one person to confirm evidence... it takes truth. That's all it takes... just being honest. Either way, I explain below that this didn't happen to me only. I know family and I've met other people with these experiences.
I'll give you a hint... I don't think it's for-fetched to say that, usually, on a daily basis... we live our every-day lives off evidence that is received or experienced by one person... on a daily basis.
Another hint... U
The vision still stands. I'll throw in, my brothers seeing a demon and quote, he said "I was chased by a monster"
He also saw me being followed by what he described as a man that was completely black and if I recall correctly I felt as if someone was following me... just before he told me about that. I think it's worth noting that when he told me this... I saw his face and his eyes were wide and his mouth was wide open and it looked like he stumbled on his back... I never saw him so scared... and he said "Didn Didn Didn't you see it?" and he explained what he saw. I then told him, "it's okay, those things can't hurt us, we're with God."
These things didn't happen just one time... or just me. I know people... not just family either.
God loves you so much that he was willing to die for you. However because people love evil so much.. they deny it and suppress the truth. That's what the scriptures say and I'll be praying for you. I think this about it. I'm going to be talking to you for the next few weeks and maybe no results.
This is one of the verses that hits home with me...
Jeremiah 33:3
[SUP]3 [/SUP]‘Call to Me, and I will answer you, and show you great and mighty things, which you do not know.
The reason I had a vision was because of the story of a man in the Bible. His name was Gideon.
Judges 6:39
[SUP]39 [/SUP]Then Gideon said to God, “Do not be angry with me, but let me speak just once more: Let me test, I pray, just once more with the fleece; let it now be dry only on the fleece, but on all the ground let there be dew.”
He had faith in God and he decided to confirm God's will with a test. I looked at his story and his test as a way to end my skepticism. I realized Faith was key. I've read the Bible and realized that it was good. Why not have Faith in God who always does good? What's wrong with "thou shall not murder?" Or "thou shall not steal?" It was reasonable to give God my faith and that's what I did... I gave God my Faith which apparently is how the system works. I prayed, asked and trusted in God to give me a vision. I said, if he gave me one like he did to his prophets that I'd serve him all my life but if he didn't I'd never believe in him no-matter what.
Just in-case your wondering I converted because I wanted truth and justice. I got truth and with the truth of God's existence. I know he'll bring perfect justice as-well.
So, here I am, knowing God exists.
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You appear to struggle to understand the actual definition of what subjection actually is, and evidently use it in the wrong place. I've clearly explained why it's not evidence. Regardless of you constantly pushing the word truth into your faith based claim, it is weak and questionable.
I'm not going to explain objective and subjective evidence, when clearly subjective evidence is not evidence. You either fail to understand or don't care enough to understand. I perfectly accept some claims or truth claims by word of mouth but that is based on the reliability of the source and the reasonable truth of the claim. Those words are subject to rational analysis.
You do not provide tangible or believable evidence, in fact you provide evidence which is not repeatable or observable and my comment on truth stands. I wouldn't mind if in fact you weren't presenting your claim as scientific evidence.
Truth is subjective to God. But on our side of the fence, truth is objective to us. Next, I want to quote you "Evidence which can only be received or experienced by one person, is by nature not tangible or useful evidence." and first of all say that, that was one of the worst statements about truth or evidence I've ever read. It doesn't take a group of people or more than one person to confirm evidence... it takes truth.
You obviously did not understand what I said. It does not take a group of people to confirm if something is true, but in no way can anyone confirm a delusional experience as true based on one person, who claims he can repeat it but yet it cannot be repeated or experienced by anyone else. You have no actual grasp of how evidence works and this is me correcting you again and again. Trying to sort out what you actually say is almost impossible due to the fact it ends up as a broken thought or nonsensical statement.
Would you like me to list the experiments involving evolution? Namely bacterial evolution due to anti-bacterial medicine.
Or the evolution of a species in domestication?
Or the massive proton collider in under Europe?
I doubt you care enough to enquire, as it's obvious you care little about evidence but rather your version of how evidence is discovered.
I'm not going to explain objective and subjective evidence, when clearly subjective evidence is not evidence. You either fail to understand or don't care enough to understand. I perfectly accept some claims or truth claims by word of mouth but that is based on the reliability of the source and the reasonable truth of the claim. Those words are subject to rational analysis.
You do not provide tangible or believable evidence, in fact you provide evidence which is not repeatable or observable and my comment on truth stands. I wouldn't mind if in fact you weren't presenting your claim as scientific evidence.
Truth is subjective to God. But on our side of the fence, truth is objective to us. Next, I want to quote you "Evidence which can only be received or experienced by one person, is by nature not tangible or useful evidence." and first of all say that, that was one of the worst statements about truth or evidence I've ever read. It doesn't take a group of people or more than one person to confirm evidence... it takes truth.
You obviously did not understand what I said. It does not take a group of people to confirm if something is true, but in no way can anyone confirm a delusional experience as true based on one person, who claims he can repeat it but yet it cannot be repeated or experienced by anyone else. You have no actual grasp of how evidence works and this is me correcting you again and again. Trying to sort out what you actually say is almost impossible due to the fact it ends up as a broken thought or nonsensical statement.
Would you like me to list the experiments involving evolution? Namely bacterial evolution due to anti-bacterial medicine.
Or the evolution of a species in domestication?
Or the massive proton collider in under Europe?
I doubt you care enough to enquire, as it's obvious you care little about evidence but rather your version of how evidence is discovered.
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I know what subjective means. lol I didn't see things... to my liking... I'm reporting what I saw as it was. Not to my liking. I prayed for a vision. And I got such an experience.
You say you accept some claims or truth claims by word of mouth yet your not doing it??? I am reliable? Why wouldn't I be? Gee, I wonder why? Could it be because I'm Christian?
Rational analysis you say? Yeah, I questioned it myself and came to the conclusion that it was God. It's very simple. I decided I'd give the Christian God a chance... I noted that Faith was a key to entering into "communication" or connecting with God. Based off what I read in the Bible, it seemed reasonable to give a God that stands for 100% truth, 100% love, 100% goodness, my Faith. I gave him my Faith and prayed. I prayed to ask for a vision, specifically for proof. The results, I had a vision a few days later.
Let's recap... I realized giving God faith was a way to connect. Supposedly, that's how the system works. I did it based off what I read in the Bible. And thought he seems like a reasonable person to give my faith too. I prayed for a vision, trusting.. hoping... counting on God to give me one. Then a few days later... I had a vision.
I look back at this and I can easily call this an experiment. Because, that's what it was.
Here is my prayer from memory...
God I don’t care about heaven or hell, although it makes sense that good guys go to heaven and bad guys go to hell. Heck, even if this was my only life-time and this was all I had. I’d serve a God like you all my life…not sure what to say…I guess the point is… I don’t want to have to bring justice but… if you don’t exist then that’s what I’ll have to do… If you do exist then I know you will bring justice for everyone someday… on judgment day… I just want to know the truth… I want to know what’s right?... I want to believe in you but… I really want something… solid... I want proof. (tears fall and my head lowers further) … And I’m not even sure if it’s okay to ask you that but…didn’t you make fire rain for one of your prophets?… and what about Gideon!? (I inhale and exhale) Didn’t he test you? In faith... you responded to him right?… That’s what I want to do God… So I’m going to give you faith, it’s what you want right?... I’m going to trust you to give me a vision as a sign… and if it happens, I’ll serve you the rest of my life… but if doesn’t happen… I will (sigh) never believe in you… and always deny you… For the rest of my life… please respond… Amen
This is a report, it's not suppose to be tangible. lol But, I did see something and whatever it was... it had to be tangible. It had to exist in one form or another in order for me to see it. That's just the bottom-line.
Another thing is, I don't exactly remember calling it scientific evidence... but for your information... scientific evidence can be based off observation. Observation, pretty big word when it comes to scientific evidence. So, either way, it has weight as evidence in general and specifically, as scientific evidence.
Alright, maybe I did misunderstand you there, since you seem to disagree?
SMH, I'm telling you something I saw and you just call it a delusion. You the receiver of this information... you think you know more about it than me... the person who personally experienced it and is reporting it. I don't suffer from delusions. And it's unreasonable to think what I saw was a delusion but instead be taken as an actual vision since it was shortly after I prayed for a vision. It only makes sense. I thought about this, whether it was true or not.
It can be repeated because it's been repeated. And again, this experience is not the only one that has happened to me or ONLY me. I told you in my last post that others have been involved and others have reported similar experiences. This is twice you speak about these experiences being repeated and this is twice I inform you that... they have been repeated and hence, obviously can be repeated.
I know from personal experience that we came from God. I've had vision. I've touched a demon. I asked God to tell me whether I should go left or right and a rock flew to the left. I have the rock in safe keeping. I know because I've had acquaintances and friends report spiritual experiences. My brothers have had these experiences as-well. God exists, and so does the spiritual realm.
There is no evidence for evolution for you to show me. Yet, there are reports of actual sitings that confirm God's existence and the spiritual realm.
You say you accept some claims or truth claims by word of mouth yet your not doing it??? I am reliable? Why wouldn't I be? Gee, I wonder why? Could it be because I'm Christian?
Rational analysis you say? Yeah, I questioned it myself and came to the conclusion that it was God. It's very simple. I decided I'd give the Christian God a chance... I noted that Faith was a key to entering into "communication" or connecting with God. Based off what I read in the Bible, it seemed reasonable to give a God that stands for 100% truth, 100% love, 100% goodness, my Faith. I gave him my Faith and prayed. I prayed to ask for a vision, specifically for proof. The results, I had a vision a few days later.
Let's recap... I realized giving God faith was a way to connect. Supposedly, that's how the system works. I did it based off what I read in the Bible. And thought he seems like a reasonable person to give my faith too. I prayed for a vision, trusting.. hoping... counting on God to give me one. Then a few days later... I had a vision.
I look back at this and I can easily call this an experiment. Because, that's what it was.
Here is my prayer from memory...
God I don’t care about heaven or hell, although it makes sense that good guys go to heaven and bad guys go to hell. Heck, even if this was my only life-time and this was all I had. I’d serve a God like you all my life…not sure what to say…I guess the point is… I don’t want to have to bring justice but… if you don’t exist then that’s what I’ll have to do… If you do exist then I know you will bring justice for everyone someday… on judgment day… I just want to know the truth… I want to know what’s right?... I want to believe in you but… I really want something… solid... I want proof. (tears fall and my head lowers further) … And I’m not even sure if it’s okay to ask you that but…didn’t you make fire rain for one of your prophets?… and what about Gideon!? (I inhale and exhale) Didn’t he test you? In faith... you responded to him right?… That’s what I want to do God… So I’m going to give you faith, it’s what you want right?... I’m going to trust you to give me a vision as a sign… and if it happens, I’ll serve you the rest of my life… but if doesn’t happen… I will (sigh) never believe in you… and always deny you… For the rest of my life… please respond… Amen
This is a report, it's not suppose to be tangible. lol But, I did see something and whatever it was... it had to be tangible. It had to exist in one form or another in order for me to see it. That's just the bottom-line.
Another thing is, I don't exactly remember calling it scientific evidence... but for your information... scientific evidence can be based off observation. Observation, pretty big word when it comes to scientific evidence. So, either way, it has weight as evidence in general and specifically, as scientific evidence.
Alright, maybe I did misunderstand you there, since you seem to disagree?
SMH, I'm telling you something I saw and you just call it a delusion. You the receiver of this information... you think you know more about it than me... the person who personally experienced it and is reporting it. I don't suffer from delusions. And it's unreasonable to think what I saw was a delusion but instead be taken as an actual vision since it was shortly after I prayed for a vision. It only makes sense. I thought about this, whether it was true or not.
It can be repeated because it's been repeated. And again, this experience is not the only one that has happened to me or ONLY me. I told you in my last post that others have been involved and others have reported similar experiences. This is twice you speak about these experiences being repeated and this is twice I inform you that... they have been repeated and hence, obviously can be repeated.
I know from personal experience that we came from God. I've had vision. I've touched a demon. I asked God to tell me whether I should go left or right and a rock flew to the left. I have the rock in safe keeping. I know because I've had acquaintances and friends report spiritual experiences. My brothers have had these experiences as-well. God exists, and so does the spiritual realm.
There is no evidence for evolution for you to show me. Yet, there are reports of actual sitings that confirm God's existence and the spiritual realm.
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I want to add... when I say evolution I'm specifically talking about the kind we're talking about. The kind where one animal changes to another. I say this to avoid nitpicking of the word. Again, when I use the word evolution... I speak specficially about one animal changing into another animal, not slight variations of the same animal.
Also, my testimonies of actual sitings. Still easily trump the theories, the "possible" explanations, basically... guesses. That you've shown me. I have actual experience of witnessing what I know. You have guesses. What weighs more? That's a rhetorical question.
Read the Bible, investigate it. I know God exists because he proofed himself to me. Check out the prophecies, people have converted because of the prophecies alone. How can men know what happened in the future? The reasonable answer is God.
These are not theories/guesses.... these are truths. Not, maybes, actual answers. That's the differences between the foundations you and I stand on. I stand on ground. You stand on air. I saw and experienced what I believe. You believe guesses.
Isaiah 7:14 – “All right then, the Lord Himself will choose the sign. Look! The virgin will conceive a child! She will give birth to a son and will call Him Immanuel – ‘God is with us.’”
(before Jesus was born)
Matthew 1:20-23 – “As he considered this, he fell asleep, and an angel of the Lord appeared to him in a dream. ‘Joseph, son of David,’ the angel said, ‘do not be afraid to go ahead with your marriage to Mary. For the child within her has been conceived by the Holy Spirit. And she will have a son, and you are to name Him Jesus, for He will save His people from their sins.’ All of this happened to fulfill the Lord’s message through His prophet: ‘Look! The virgin will conceive a child! She will give birth to a son, and He will be called Immanuel (meaning, God is with us).’”
(After Jesus was born)
Zechariah 11:12-13 – “And I said unto them, ‘If ye think good, give me my price; and if not, forbear. So they weighed for my price thirty pieces of silver. And the Lord said unto me, Cast it unto the potter: a goodly price that I was prised at of them. And I took the thirty pieces of silver, and cast them to the potter in the house of the Lord.” (KJV)
(before Jesus was born)
Matthew 27:3-4a – “When Judas, who had betrayed Him, realized that Jesus had been condemned to die, he was filled with remorse. So he took the thirty pieces of silver back to the leading priests and other leaders. ‘I have sinned,’ he declared, ‘for I have betrayed an innocent man.’”
(After Jesus was born)
That's just two. There's said to be over 300 prophecies like these... specifying Jesus as the Messiah.
How did they know? Not a guess... not a theory... just the answer. It had to be God.
Also, my testimonies of actual sitings. Still easily trump the theories, the "possible" explanations, basically... guesses. That you've shown me. I have actual experience of witnessing what I know. You have guesses. What weighs more? That's a rhetorical question.
Read the Bible, investigate it. I know God exists because he proofed himself to me. Check out the prophecies, people have converted because of the prophecies alone. How can men know what happened in the future? The reasonable answer is God.
These are not theories/guesses.... these are truths. Not, maybes, actual answers. That's the differences between the foundations you and I stand on. I stand on ground. You stand on air. I saw and experienced what I believe. You believe guesses.
Isaiah 7:14 – “All right then, the Lord Himself will choose the sign. Look! The virgin will conceive a child! She will give birth to a son and will call Him Immanuel – ‘God is with us.’”
(before Jesus was born)
Matthew 1:20-23 – “As he considered this, he fell asleep, and an angel of the Lord appeared to him in a dream. ‘Joseph, son of David,’ the angel said, ‘do not be afraid to go ahead with your marriage to Mary. For the child within her has been conceived by the Holy Spirit. And she will have a son, and you are to name Him Jesus, for He will save His people from their sins.’ All of this happened to fulfill the Lord’s message through His prophet: ‘Look! The virgin will conceive a child! She will give birth to a son, and He will be called Immanuel (meaning, God is with us).’”
(After Jesus was born)
Zechariah 11:12-13 – “And I said unto them, ‘If ye think good, give me my price; and if not, forbear. So they weighed for my price thirty pieces of silver. And the Lord said unto me, Cast it unto the potter: a goodly price that I was prised at of them. And I took the thirty pieces of silver, and cast them to the potter in the house of the Lord.” (KJV)
(before Jesus was born)
Matthew 27:3-4a – “When Judas, who had betrayed Him, realized that Jesus had been condemned to die, he was filled with remorse. So he took the thirty pieces of silver back to the leading priests and other leaders. ‘I have sinned,’ he declared, ‘for I have betrayed an innocent man.’”
(After Jesus was born)
That's just two. There's said to be over 300 prophecies like these... specifying Jesus as the Messiah.
How did they know? Not a guess... not a theory... just the answer. It had to be God.
I googled pics, I thought at least some artist out there may have actually seen him...wallah!A solid reason could be the testimonies of millions but I wouldn't have trusted in those. Maybe if you're like me, the only way to believe would be to have a personal experience and let that be your own proof. You've come here so maybe you seek to find an answer and if so then to find your answer you would have to Introduce yourself to God and give your heart to Jesus Christ with belief in him. If you can do that then you may find that he and the Holy Spirit are real.
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Hi, u don't believe in God because u didn't take the time to look around u. Did u ever ask urself who made the stars, the moon, and this beautiful sky? do u think its naturel or human make it ? Well no if u read the bible u will read that many things will come to pass... and u will see them if God wants.
in the bible its wright that God children will speak in tongues when they receive the Holy Ghost, the book of ACT chap 2 vers 38 thats the evidence that God does exist. Furthermore who gives u the breath of Life every Morning? its God, if u died u will end up in Hell maybe, because i can assure u that there is a place waiting for u , or else heaven with the saints and God or hell with the devil and the demons.
in the bible its wright that God children will speak in tongues when they receive the Holy Ghost, the book of ACT chap 2 vers 38 thats the evidence that God does exist. Furthermore who gives u the breath of Life every Morning? its God, if u died u will end up in Hell maybe, because i can assure u that there is a place waiting for u , or else heaven with the saints and God or hell with the devil and the demons.
