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Yachiru

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Hey guys, just a little prayer request, I'll be preaching as a youth pastor to my youth group for the FIRST time this Friday, I'm only 17 so this is my big chance to show what I've got, I really what to be a minister when I'm older, I'd really appreciate your prayers that I touch ALOT of hearts with the light of Jesus this Friday, All Glory to God, I really hope I do our wonderful FATHER justice that night, I'll be preaching about not faking it as a Christian and to JUMP OFF THE FENCE and pick the right side :D,

Thanks everyone, God Bless. :D:p
 

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Hey guys, just a little prayer request, I'll be preaching as a youth pastor to my youth group for the FIRST time this Friday, I'm only 17 so this is my big chance to show what I've got, I really what to be a minister when I'm older, I'd really appreciate your prayers that I touch ALOT of hearts with the light of Jesus this Friday, All Glory to God, I really hope I do our wonderful FATHER justice that night, I'll be preaching about not faking it as a Christian and to JUMP OFF THE FENCE and pick the right side :D,

Thanks everyone, God Bless. :D:p

hi there, i will be praying that u do touch a lot of heart with the light of jesus on friday.

however - do u know it is unbiblical for a woman to be a minster/pastor in a church?
 
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wow....Kathleen...not the place....not at all....
 

Kathleen

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ben - wot r u on about?! seriously ! im jst teling her, that maybe God ,may not approve of it,
no harmwas ment , honsetly - ben, take a back seat and chill
 
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walkinthespirit

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Blessings, I pray the Lord annoints you, and that you shine in Him!
 
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ben - wot r u on about?! seriously ! im jst teling her, that maybe God ,may not approve of it,
no harmwas ment , honsetly - ben, take a back seat and chill
i think you need to chill with your hurtful comments...your interpretation of faith says women should not preach...hers may not...and she's serving the same God...why bring up such a comment to put her down when she's already likely nervous and doubting herself as it is?

tact...and certainly respect of elders...could be learned...
 

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i think you need to chill with your hurtful comments...your interpretation of faith says women should not preach...hers may not...and she's serving the same God...why bring up such a comment to put her down when she's already likely nervous and doubting herself as it is?

tact...and certainly respect of elders...could be learned...

respect is earned..nd u havent earned respect. i dont really see u as an elder, my brother is almost as old as u...

“A woman should learn in quietness and full submission. I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man; she must be silent”
11A woman should learn in quietness and full submission. 12I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man; she must be silent13For Adam was formed first, then Eve. 14And Adam was not the one deceived; it was the woman who was deceived and became a sinner.


Wives, submit to your husbands as to the Lord. 23 For the husband is the head of the wife as Christ is the head of the church, his body, of which he is the Savior. 24 Now as the church submits to Christ, so also wives should submit to their husbands in everything.

If a woman does not cover her head, she should have her hair cut off; and if it is a disgrace for a woman to have her hair cut or shaved off, she should cover her head. 7 A man ought not to cover his head,b since he is the image and glory of God; but the woman is the glory of man. 8 For man did not come from woman, but woman from man; 9 neither was man created for woman, but woman for man. 10 For this reason, and because of the angels, the woman ought to have a sign of authority on her head.

how can u interpret the bible any diffrently?
 
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you read greek, hebrew, and aramaic? because if not, you're only reading someone else's interpretation for you....many scholars that do understand the original texts have come out to say much of the talk against women in the new testament was in adherance to the culture of the times, and the words chosen in the original text symbolize that....a woman in any leadership position in those days would have been cause for immediate dismissal of the work being done because of the place of women in that society....our society is not the same as then...and showing me scripture specifically written for marital role definition does nothing to show me that a woman cannot teach the people...i've served under a female bishop, and she was one of the most well-educated, well-spoken preachers i have ever met....i hope yachiru does well as an example of God being able to use anyone He sees fit, not the world...

your brother is your elder....whether you give me personally respect or not, i could care less, but yachiru is also your elder....
 

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you read greek, hebrew, and aramaic? because if not, you're only reading someone else's interpretation for you....many scholars that do understand the original texts have come out to say much of the talk against women in the new testament was in adherance to the culture of the times, and the words chosen in the original text symbolize that....a woman in any leadership position in those days would have been cause for immediate dismissal of the work being done because of the place of women in that society....our society is not the same as then...and showing me scripture specifically written for marital role definition does nothing to show me that a woman cannot teach the people...i've served under a female bishop, and she was one of the most well-educated, well-spoken preachers i have ever met....i hope yachiru does well as an example of God being able to use anyone He sees fit, not the world...

your brother is your elder....whether you give me personally respect or not, i could care less, but yachiru is also your elder....
tbh i dont give a toss wether ur 2, 30 or 190. i have no respect for u, as u have not earned it.

for u to ask me if i speak greek hebrew and aramic, is just plain stupid. You points are absouloutly stuipid.
Firstly the percentage of the world that can speak even one of those languages r very small. and to say that i dont speak those languages so i have no basis to say that, is just childish. U r basically saying that no one can actually full understand or relay on the bible untill i have translated it myself, dont be so awkward.
 
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tbh i dont give a toss wether ur 2, 30 or 190. i have no respect for u, as u have not earned it.

for u to ask me if i speak greek hebrew and aramic, is just plain stupid. You points are absouloutly stuipid.
Firstly the percentage of the world that can speak even one of those languages r very small. and to say that i dont speak those languages so i have no basis to say that, is just childish. U r basically saying that no one can actually full understand or relay on the bible untill i have translated it myself, dont be so awkward.
i said nothing about speaking the languages, i said reading...two different things...and every seminarian that comes from the ELCA church has two courses in greek and two courses in hebrew offered...most can passingly read both languages, so your numbers are off as quite a few folks can read the languages...and understanding the original text is completely relevant to this discussion when you're relying on someone else's interpretation of it and quoting it as literal....
 

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i said nothing about speaking the languages, i said reading...two different things...and every seminarian that comes from the ELCA church has two courses in greek and two courses in hebrew offered...most can passingly read both languages, so your numbers are off as quite a few folks can read the languages...and understanding the original text is completely relevant to this discussion when you're relying on someone else's interpretation of it and quoting it as literal....
generally, ben, people that can speak hebrew can also read it , ur being akward, yet again.

less that 30% of Earths population actually go to church, so i am right in saying it is quite low figures actually.

i am relaying om someone elses interprtation, but people that translate the bible, r very fluent in it, if they wernt pritty accurate they wouldnt be allowed to be published. more than one bible says the same thing.
ur so akward! - its so immature
wot version of the bible do u read? or do u translate it urself? please enlighten me.
 
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generally, ben, people that can speak hebrew can also read it , ur being akward, yet again.

less that 30% of Earths population actually go to church, so i am right in saying it is quite low figures actually.

i am relaying om someone elses interprtation, but people that translate the bible, r very fluent in it, if they wernt pritty accurate they wouldnt be allowed to be published. more than one bible says the same thing.
ur so akward! - its so immature
wot version of the bible do u read? or do u translate it urself? please enlighten me.
i think you misunderstand the word awkward because you're certainly not using it correctly....

you stated that i was saying that "no one" could understand the language of the Bible, and i told you that even in my very small circle of acquaintences and friends, there are dozens that can read the original texts (though very few of them have ever been asked to speek the language, and since most of speaking a language is on pronunciation, saying that someone who can read a language can speak it is incorrect)...

you're not coming back with facts that refute mine, so i'll assume you have none, and i'll leave it at that...

lastly, to answer your Bible question, I have 8 different translations in my home (KJV, NKJV, NIV, NLT, CEV, TEV, NRSV, and The Message). When I am interpreting the meaning behind a scripture, I often cross reference many of them to see how each of them approaches the language. I also have a friend who is very well versed in Greek, and I often will call him when I'm pouring over a passage. My evening reading Bible is an NLT, and my morning "First Word" Bible that I use is an NIV, so those are probably the two I use the most.
 

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i think you misunderstand the word awkward because you're certainly not using it correctly....

you stated that i was saying that "no one" could understand the language of the Bible, and i told you that even in my very small circle of acquaintences and friends, there are dozens that can read the original texts (though very few of them have ever been asked to speek the language, and since most of speaking a language is on pronunciation, saying that someone who can read a language can speak it is incorrect)...

you're not coming back with facts that refute mine, so i'll assume you have none, and i'll leave it at that...

lastly, to answer your Bible question, I have 8 different translations in my home (KJV, NKJV, NIV, NLT, CEV, TEV, NRSV, and The Message). When I am interpreting the meaning behind a scripture, I often cross reference many of them to see how each of them approaches the language. I also have a friend who is very well versed in Greek, and I often will call him when I'm pouring over a passage. My evening reading Bible is an NLT, and my morning "First Word" Bible that I use is an NIV, so those are probably the two I use the most.

like i said, i look at diffrent translations aswell - i am right, ur saying that unless a person can either speak one of those languages, they cant rely on or quote the bible because they have translated it wrongly.

I do no wot the word akward means - ur the definition of it!

i am comming back with facts that contradict urs.

ur saying the church u go to offers classes in these languages..

so if less than 30% of the population of the plaet Earth go to church, even less than that must learnt eh languages from that one specifict dinomination of church teaches.

so once agian - u r akward and wrong :)
 
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like i said, i look at diffrent translations aswell - i am right, ur saying that unless a person can either speak one of those languages, they cant rely on or quote the bible because they have translated it wrongly.

I do no wot the word akward means - ur the definition of it!

i am comming back with facts that contradict urs.

ur saying the church u go to offers classes in these languages..

so if less than 30% of the population of the plaet Earth go to church, even less than that must learnt eh languages from that one specifict dinomination of church teaches.

so once agian - u r akward and wrong :)
wow...just wow...you've not presented one intelligible response to anything i've presented...not one...

but go on assuming you're right...and i'll be here to console you when life shows you differently if you need it...but until you see that, my time is better spent talking with those that actually consider others' opinions, so God's peace, good day, and ciao
 

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wow...just wow...you've not presented one intelligible response to anything i've presented...not one...

but go on assuming you're right...and i'll be here to console you when life shows you differently if you need it...but until you see that, my time is better spent talking with those that actually consider others' opinions, so God's peace, good day, and ciao

i am right. the fact is ur being akward and r saying things that r unjust and unproven. wot ur saying is totally and uturlley rediculuos!
 
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icemanx2117

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respect is earned..nd u havent earned respect. i dont really see u as an elder, my brother is almost as old as u...

“A woman should learn in quietness and full submission. I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man; she must be silent”
11A woman should learn in quietness and full submission. 12I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man; she must be silent13For Adam was formed first, then Eve. 14And Adam was not the one deceived; it was the woman who was deceived and became a sinner.


Wives, submit to your husbands as to the Lord. 23 For the husband is the head of the wife as Christ is the head of the church, his body, of which he is the Savior. 24 Now as the church submits to Christ, so also wives should submit to their husbands in everything.

If a woman does not cover her head, she should have her hair cut off; and if it is a disgrace for a woman to have her hair cut or shaved off, she should cover her head. 7 A man ought not to cover his head,b since he is the image and glory of God; but the woman is the glory of man. 8 For man did not come from woman, but woman from man; 9 neither was man created for woman, but woman for man. 10 For this reason, and because of the angels, the woman ought to have a sign of authority on her head.

how can u interpret the bible any diffrently?

Let Me Know what book that was from but mostly it was from the old testament see when Jesus died on the cross for our sins the veil was torn

Matthew 27:51-56 The Message Bible

At that moment, the Temple curtain was ripped in two, top to bottom. There was an earthquake, and rocks were split in pieces. What's more, tombs were opened up, and many bodies of believers asleep in their graves were raised. (After Jesus' resurrection, they left the tombs, entered the holy city, and appeared to many.)


The captain of the guard and those with him, when they saw the earthquake and everything else that was happening, were scared to death. They said, "This has to be the Son of God!"


There were also quite a few women watching from a distance, women who had followed Jesus from Galilee in order to serve him. Among them were Mary Magdalene, Mary the mother of James and Joseph, and the mother of the Zebedee brothers.

meaning that we have direct communication with God and we don't have to sacrifice animals anymore as form of worship now we can just pray directly to God meaning that when Jesus died he made a new covenant and the old covenant was broken so why do you think there are woman preachers like Joyce Meyers or like my pastor SHE is a great woman of God and ministers for the Lord every week plus her Husband Is our Pastor To & Also plays in the Worship Team so let me know what book this is from



11A woman should learn in quietness and full submission. 12I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man; she must be silent13For Adam was formed first, then Eve. 14And Adam was not the one deceived; it was the woman who was deceived and became a sinner.
 
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Kathleen,

I held my peace because I did not want to debate with you, but now is the time for me to use the boldness the Lord has given me. I think what you said to her can be hurtful. Last time you said something like that to me, I don't know if you are aware but i silently disagreed with you. You have also offended me the last time we talked you told me you saw nothing wrong with women preaching as long as they don't do it in the church.

We don't know what God has called us unto unless he spoke to us directly did he speak to you telling you he didn't approve of women preaching? Maybe the Lord called her to be a minister.

Just like he calls some of us to to be prophets prayer warriors evangelists pastors etc. I did not want to start a debate with you but you did offend me, i hope in the future you will be careful with the way you word what you say.

God bless
 
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If I may interject, I probably have to agree with ben on most points. I still think a woman preaching is in direct violation to the verse after reading it in context, but the other two passages she quoted were way out of context/societal issues.

Also, you DO misuse the word awkward. I can't really explain what it means, but you're using it to replace the word "weird," (which he is NOT being btw), and that is incorrect.

And lastly, I also think respect should be earned (though I may be wrong myself in that regard). I will not disrespect you (intentionally), but do not expect me to honor you and take to heart things on "iffy" issues without having earned that trust and respect first. Of course, that's hard to do online, so... yeah XD
 

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Let Me Know what book that was from but mostly it was from the old testament see when Jesus died on the cross for our sins the veil was torn

Matthew 27:51-56 The Message Bible

At that moment, the Temple curtain was ripped in two, top to bottom. There was an earthquake, and rocks were split in pieces. What's more, tombs were opened up, and many bodies of believers asleep in their graves were raised. (After Jesus' resurrection, they left the tombs, entered the holy city, and appeared to many.)

The captain of the guard and those with him, when they saw the earthquake and everything else that was happening, were scared to death. They said, "This has to be the Son of God!"


There were also quite a few women watching from a distance, women who had followed Jesus from Galilee in order to serve him. Among them were Mary Magdalene, Mary the mother of James and Joseph, and the mother of the Zebedee brothers.

meaning that we have direct communication with God and we don't have to sacrifice animals anymore as form of worship now we can just pray directly to God meaning that when Jesus died he made a new covenant and the old covenant was broken so why do you think there are woman preachers like Joyce Meyers or like my pastor SHE is a great woman of God and ministers for the Lord every week plus her Husband Is our Pastor To & Also plays in the Worship Team so let me know what book this is from


11A woman should learn in quietness and full submission. 12I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man; she must be silent13For Adam was formed first, then Eve. 14And Adam was not the one deceived; it was the woman who was deceived and became a sinner.
most of the quotes were from timothy 1 and 2 and titus.

the comman misconseption with most chrisitans is that everything in the old testement is over written y.by that in the new testement - this is only relevent to wot u have said above, as far as i am aware, or so far, i have quoted nothing from the OT so far anyway

i realise that women watched...that is a pointless statement, as i was aware of this, but thanks :)

ur pastor may be a great woman, so be it. i just feel that women preacher r unbiblical. there have been many threads on this, and i was just pointing it out incase the OP didnt know.

i see know wrong in a woman being head od a sunday school. prayin out loud is okay also, as long as no men r present. My mum prays out loud for the two of us, if there is no males present. ( which is not that often) but if there is a male present the woman should be quite.
 

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Kathleen,
I held my peace because I did not want to debate with you, but now is the time for me to use the boldness the Lord has given me. I think what you said to her can be hurtful. Last time you said something like that to me, I don't know if you are aware but i silently disagreed with you. You have also offended me the last time we talked you told me you saw nothing wrong with women preaching as long as they don't do it in the church.
We don't know what God has called us unto unless he spoke to us directly did he speak to you telling you he didn't approve of women preaching? Maybe the Lord called her to be a minister.
Just like he calls some of us to to be prophets prayer warriors evangelists pastors etc. I did not want to start a debate with you but you did offend me, i hope in the future you will be careful with the way you word what you say.
God bless
i respect wot u say , and as i said, a disagrement will not affect our friendship melissa :D

if i have offended u , or the OP i am sorry, i was just pointing it out, incase the OP was unaware of what the bible says about women pastors.

I still think a woman preaching is in direct violation to the verse after reading it in context, other two passages she quoted were way out of context issues.


Also, you DO misuse the word awkward. I can't really explain what it means, but you're using it to replace the word "weird,"

And lastly, I also think respect should be earned (though I may be wrong myself in that regard). I will not disrespect you (intentionally), but do not expect me to honor you and take to heart things on "iffy" issues without having earned that trust and respect first. Of course, that's hard to do online, so... yeah XD
so u think a woman preaching is a direct violation - that says it all

I am not miss using the word akward, that is what he is being. He is basically saying that unless I , myself can read and translate Hebrew or Greek, i should not be quoting the bible, as it is someone elses translation, and there for i can not relay on it while thousands of people all round the world read the bible.

God Bless
Nd May the Holy Spirit Guide You All On This Matter
Kath x