Dating Single Mothers pt 3

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IncredibleMRZ

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Again I'll sum up the situation before I address my current issue. I'm barely 18, I've been friends with a christian girl my age for 4 years and have grown to like her very much. In July of 2013 she was raped and will have a baby girl this April. I still feel the same way despite the devastating circumstances.

I initially thought my parents liked her but were dismayed by the circumstance and felt I should distance myself from her to keep from looking like the father, which I agreed was acceptable and did, but as the due date approaches they have directly told me the choice to pursue her will ruin my life.

She is a stronger Christian than I am. She did not grow up in the faith and has a rough past, but she made a decision to follow Christ about 5 years ago (before we met) and that's just what she's done. That did not remove her from her troubled family and friends, which is where this terrible event took place.

I was handed the faith by my parents and for a long time my "Christianity" was so so. I have never in my life taken it more seriously than this past year, seeking every opportunity to further and strengthen. But I still feel like someone who was not raised with these beliefs and who has family members actively discouraging her from continuing in it yet grows stronger each day is a ... better ... Christian than I am. (I am aware there is no hierarchy)

She has tatoos. And supports them. They are not offensive, they are not satanic, they are simply things she enjoys and knows she will for the rest of her life. Tatoos are a part of the culture she was raised in. Just as beards are an acceptable appearance alteration in some families, tatoos are in hers. I don't know what to think about that, I personally wouldn't have. But I do not think it is against God's word.

She has a rough history, it's evidenced on her body and by her future child. But she has an incredibly strong faith and continues to grow in it. The faith part is what I am focused on thinking long term. The rest is really not important to me. It's a Jeremiah 29:11 and Romans 8:28 issue. She seeks Him and He has promised to work all things together for her good.

This is not the case with my mother or father. They see her tatoos and look at her family and view her as "a temptation sent from the devil to cause you to stumble". In all honesty this would be the one thing that could do it right now but I have prayed for days straight and it has not been revealed to me that this is the case.

I don't know what to do. I like this girl. She's in a tough spot right now with the baby. My parents don't like her because they haven't taken the time to get to know her and they judge her on superficial grounds. I would have a steady job and a house of my own before I considered marrying her but my parents wont hear that, they think I'm going to run away with her tomorrow and they want her completely out of my life. I understand and respect them and they are probably right, but I don't know how to tell any of this to the girl without hurting her.

I am so lost. I just keep praying. It's all I can do.
 
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AgeofKnowledge

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Part 3? Are you creating multiple threads on this aspect of your personal life?
 
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IncredibleMRZ

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Part 3? Are you creating multiple threads on this aspect of your personal life?
I guess I could just combine them in to one, but there have been 3 separate issues I've needed guidance on.
 
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AgeofKnowledge

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I was just curious.

Personally, I think you're playing with fire and if you have thoughts going through your head that you are going to "save" her from the consequences she's facing then you're definitely biting off more than you can chew. There's only one Savior and you aren't Him.

The reason why your parents aren't thrilled is because they know they'll be put in a situation where they have to take on her problems and abandon their own hopes and expectations with respect to you to a large extent.

I mean no offense so don't be angry but the very best, happiest, most joyful, and profitable lives I know being lived on this planet are between well adjusted people from good Christian families that married each other.

This doesn't qualify as that even remotely so know that you'll be putting yourself into an undesirable situation and that there's going to be difficult times ahead for you personally... maybe even find yourself in harm's way before it's over.

You said that you're letting cowardice prevent you from being honest with her. In my opinion, that's proof that you're not ready to deal with such a challenging relationship.

If you're looking for my advice, be honest with her and stop being a coward. Tell her that you don't want a dating relationship with her, are not mature enough to handle the problems she is facing, and cannot continue being intimate with her anymore (kissing, hugging, etc...) if you have been engaging in that behavior with her.

If you want to be her friend, tell her that you're available as a friend as part of the church group.

I know it sounds like I'm Mr. Ice Cold but what did you expect? Did you really think I was going to tell you to keep leading her along while you're growing miserable by the day because you're too much a coward to be honest with her?

You didn't rape her and you're not responsible for solving her problems. If you want to be a friend, that's fine but it should be in the context of the church youth group and not a one-on-one situation.

My advice is go find a nice pastor's daughter and figure out what you're going to do for a career.

Should you choose to reject my advice, then may the force be with you. You're going to need it before this is over.


I guess I could just combine them in to one, but there have been 3 separate issues I've needed guidance on.
 
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IncredibleMRZ

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Thank you. I need to separate from her. That's the bottom line.
 
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Love

[SUP]36 [/SUP]Now one of the Pharisees was requesting Him to [SUP][aa][/SUP]dine with him, and He entered the Pharisee’s house and reclined at the table. [SUP]37 [/SUP]And there was a woman in the city who was a [SUP][ab][/SUP]sinner; and when she learned that He was reclining at the table in the Pharisee’s house, she brought an alabaster vial of perfume, [SUP]38 [/SUP]and standing behind Him at His feet, weeping, she began to wet His feet with her tears, and kept wiping them with the hair of her head, and kissing His feet and anointing them with the perfume. [SUP]39 [/SUP]Now when the Pharisee who had invited Him saw this, he said to himself, “If this man were a prophet He would know who and what sort of person this woman is who is touching Him, that she is a [SUP][ac][/SUP]sinner.”

Parable of Two Debtors

[SUP]40 [/SUP]And Jesus answered him, “Simon, I have something to say to you.” And he [SUP][ad][/SUP]replied, “Say it, Teacher.” [SUP]41 [/SUP]“A moneylender had two debtors: one owed five hundred [SUP][ae][/SUP]denarii, and the other fifty. [SUP]42 [/SUP]When they were unable to repay, he graciously forgave them both. So which of them will love him more?” [SUP]43 [/SUP]Simon answered and said, “I suppose the one whom he forgave more.” And He said to him, “You have judged correctly.” [SUP]44 [/SUP]Turning toward the woman, He said to Simon, “Do you see this woman? I entered your house; you gave Me no water for My feet, but she has wet My feet with her tears and wiped them with her hair. [SUP]45 [/SUP]You gave Me no kiss; but she, since the time I came in, has not ceased to kiss My feet. [SUP]46 [/SUP]You did not anoint My head with oil, but she anointed My feet with perfume. [SUP]47 [/SUP]For this reason I say to you, her sins, which are many, have been forgiven, for she loved much; but he who is forgiven little, loves little.” [SUP]48 [/SUP]Then He said to her, “Your sins have been forgiven.” [SUP]49 [/SUP]Those who were reclining at the table with Him began to say [SUP][af][/SUP]to themselves, “Who is this man who even forgives sins?” [SUP]50 [/SUP]And He said to the woman, “Your faith has saved you; go in peace.”

The Good Samaritan

[SUP]30 [/SUP]Jesus replied and said, “A man was going down from Jerusalem to Jericho, and fell among robbers, and they stripped him and [SUP][n][/SUP]beat him, and went away leaving him half dead. [SUP]31 [/SUP]And by chance a priest was going down on that road, and when he saw him, he passed by on the other side. [SUP]32 [/SUP]Likewise a Levite also, when he came to the place and saw him, passed by on the other side. [SUP]33 [/SUP]But a Samaritan, who was on a journey, came upon him; and when he saw him, he felt compassion, [SUP]34 [/SUP]and came to him and bandaged up his wounds, pouring oil and wine on them; and he put him on his own beast, and brought him to an inn and took care of him. [SUP]35 [/SUP]On the next day he took out two [SUP][o][/SUP]denarii and gave them to the innkeeper and said, ‘Take care of him; and whatever more you spend, when I return I will repay you.’ [SUP]36 [/SUP]Which of these three do you think proved to be a neighbor to the man who fell into the robbers’ hands?” [SUP]37 [/SUP]And he said, “The one who showed mercy toward him.” Then Jesus said to him, “Go and do [SUP][p][/SUP]the same.”
 
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Ah you are put in a rough position indeed my brother. This is a hard and vexing world today. I have seen similar situations before with my own two eyes.

Firstly for the girl: You pity her and that's because you are a good guy. It's good for you to pity her, rape is obviously not a good thing and it sadly is very very common in this day and age even though it isn't always spoken about or known about. So there's nothing wrong with you having a little pity.

Secondly about your parents: Maybe it is true your parents do judge the girl unfairly according to your words. However your parents it seems to me only do such because they care about you, their child. From my perspective, if we take away all the tattoo taboos and family differences I think your parents are 100% correct that you should not pursue this woman. They seem by your own account to not so much be concerned about the girl whom is not their responsibility, but rather are concerned about you and your welfare.

My personal advice to you: hearken to the wishes of your parents and do not marry the girl. This doesn't mean you gotta be mean to her or nothing, but merely don't marry her. It is the simplest answer, and the simplest answer is often the right answer. To get married to her would not only complicate things for you (which your parents are correctly worried about), but would also complciate things for this girl as an individual and for her child. It would also complicate your relationship with your parents. Thus marriage to this girl in whatever form would be the most complex way forward as opposed to simply not marrying the girl and staying just friends with her would be the most simple way forward.

Let me use a personal example from my own walk in life. Several of my female friends have been raped most notably the two I know best, one which I did date (though she was raped after we broke up) and one which I asked out but whom actually turned me down. I would not marry them for various reasons other than the rape, but I also do not hate them or judge them to eternal burning and to this very day we are still friends. As friends we still help eachother and enjoy our company together as indivduals and members of the greater Community without being married to eachother or romantically involved.

So to sum up my personal thoughts simply: really just be friends with this girl, just don't make her your girlfriend. I know it seems complex because of emotions and complexities with the world, but in truth it is actually the most simple and straightforward path.
 
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Von

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I don't understand, are you going to separate from her because your parents don't like her? and they don't even know her?!
If you are not capable of making your own decisions then you are too immature to be getting yourself into circumstances like this.
If you are going to be with her you need to be sure that you are going to be with her and be ready to raise the baby with her, dont give her false hope by starting a relationship with her and then just leave her and the baby.
The first year after a couple has a baby is the hardest and most people break up before their baby is 1year old. This will be even harder in this case when the baby is not yours and was conceived in rape, that can make it difficult for you both to connect to this baby. Are you ready to support for her and take her feelings over your own after the baby is born, because it can become very difficult for her, especially if the baby looks like the father.
Are you ready to be a father and love this baby as your own? even if the relationship doesn't work out for you two the baby will probably always think of you as their father..
 
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Hi, IncredibleMRZ: You have had some good advice; and Von is a mom, also.

I would add, irrespective of anything else, prayer and the Scriptures should be part of your daily diet.

I'm not sure what the tattoo aspect that you mention has to do with it much.
 
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I don't understand, are you going to separate from her because your parents don't like her? and they don't even know her?!
If you are not capable of making your own decisions then you are too immature to be getting yourself into circumstances like this.
If you are going to be with her you need to be sure that you are going to be with her and be ready to raise the baby with her, dont give her false hope by starting a relationship with her and then just leave her and the baby.
The first year after a couple has a baby is the hardest and most people break up before their baby is 1year old. This will be even harder in this case when the baby is not yours and was conceived in rape, that can make it difficult for you both to connect to this baby. Are you ready to support for her and take her feelings over your own after the baby is born, because it can become very difficult for her, especially if the baby looks like the father.
Are you ready to be a father and love this baby as your own? even if the relationship doesn't work out for you two the baby will probably always think of you as their father..
Von: What you say as someone who is a mom already is noteworthy. I don't quite figure what he says about tattoos: what much it has to do with anything. (You're wanting to become a tattooed mom, right?)

Let's hope I-MRZ figures things out okay, by God's grace.
 
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NodMyHeadLikeYeah

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So let me see if i can get this straight.

Your friends with this girl for 4 years. She gets raped, pregnant you bail because of what people might think and now you're going to cut her off completely because your parents who don't know her think she is temptation from Satan, but you're to chicken to actually tell her.

The girl you like gets raped and pregnant and the only thing you're worried about here is you??? How does that work.

You're a terrible friend.
 
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ServantStrike

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So let me see if i can get this straight.

Your friends with this girl for 4 years. She gets raped, pregnant you bail because of what people might think and now you're going to cut her off completely because your parents who don't know her think she is temptation from Satan, but you're to chicken to actually tell her.

The girl you like gets raped and pregnant and the only thing you're worried about here is you??? How does that work.

You're a terrible friend.

I read it to mean he wasn't ready for marriage, not that he was going to split. Although apparently the parents are worried he'll elope with this woman, so maybe it does mean splitting.


I'm lost here myself.
 
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IncredibleMRZ

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To all, thank you for your great advice. If it were up to me she'd be the one but I am, as one of you stated, too immature. I can not support a wife right now let alone a child. I live with my parents, I'm a senior in high school. I need to separate from her in a more than friends way until I am mature enough to make this decision. This I've learned from your advice.

The tattoo and family issues are I guess only relevant to setting up the issues my parents have voiced. Other than that they do not influence my opinion of her.

I am not going to split. I will never do that. She is not only someone I'm interested in but she is my sister in Christ and I need to stand by her. If that is as a friend or as a husband can not be determined right now I suppose. I will work to get to a point spiritually, mentally, and financially at which I can make this decision.

Thank you all again and sorry for the confusion.