Is it possible to not support gay rights and support them at the same time?

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jos

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What? You study Greek literature and mythology and never heard of Aesop?
Google Aesop's fable "Zeus and Shame".
greek mythology is so huge, it is almost impossible to know everything
i indeed know , as we call him, aesopus. but again, i can't know everything.
also notice i study greek at high school, not university. we focus on translating, not knowing every single mythe that exists.
that is just side-info for us.

and ok, i looked it up, it indeed exists. where did you get it from?
 
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so if i understand it right:
Lev.19:19 says that crowing 2 different crops on the same field is a sin.
Lev. 11:6-8 says that touching the skin of a dead pig (a football) is a sin.
so, the church must make clear rules about not planting 2 different crops on 1 field and about the foutball?
Dear Homer Simpson,

Please, do yourself a favor and stop trying understand the Bible after you had some beers and watched T.V.
 
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prodigal

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if your gonna talk early greek philosophy and ways of living, i'm shocked you havent mentioned aristotle or plato, surely there ideas are more relevant to to the cultural view than a poet / comedy writer
 

jos

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this post is invalid. i clicked wrong.
 

jos

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if your gonna talk early greek philosophy and ways of living, i'm shocked you havent mentioned aristotle or plato, surely there ideas are more relevant to to the cultural view than a poet / comedy writer
the greeks weren't one people, and had different views on those things. i just picked one. you're gonna be here for hours if you want them all. it's not my goal to write an entire encyclopedia here.
 

jos

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Dear Homer Simpson,

Please, do yourself a favor and stop trying understand the Bible after you had some beers and watched T.V.
Dear Flanders,

Who are you to tell me I interpretate the word of God wrong? did he tell you?

sincerly,
Homer with some delicious beer
 
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“The Bible makes it clear that God designed sex to be engaged in only between a male and a female and only within the arrangement of marriage. (Genesis 1:27, 28; Leviticus 18:22; Proverbs 5:18, 19) When the Bible condemns fornication, it is referring to both homosexual and illicit heterosexual conduct.”—Galatians 5:19-21.
 

jos

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“The Bible makes it clear that God designed sex to be engaged in only between a male and a female and only within the arrangement of marriage. (Genesis 1:27, 28; Leviticus 18:22; Proverbs 5:18, 19) When the Bible condemns fornication, it is referring to both homosexual and illicit heterosexual conduct.”—Galatians 5:19-21.
this only works for christians who take the bible litteraly.
but you cannot really quote for exemple in an open debate for gayrights in the world, because not everyone on earth is christian. even not in the usa. because all other people are not chained by the laws of the bible.
 

jos

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Exactly, Homer. Stick to what you know best.
homer is happy already.
homer succeded in life.
that's why he quitely enjoys his delicious beer without any regrets.
 
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AgeofKnowledge

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Skip to 12:45:

[video=youtube;cYRqOoeDQJg]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cYRqOoeDQJg&feature=share&t=13m45s[/video]
 

jos

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Skip to 12:45:

[video=youtube;cYRqOoeDQJg]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cYRqOoeDQJg&feature=share&t=13m45s[/video]
i cannot have any sound now. but i suppose it's about why you can't be gay and christian at the same time?
notice that the scientific world is coming closer to the answer that being gay is no matter of choise, but of genes.
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/technology-science/science/homosexuality-dna-say-scientists-3145703so if you couldn't
Male homosexuality influenced by genes, US study finds - Americas - World - The Independent
choose to be gay or not, then you didn't had a chance from the begining to have a relation with god?
so god desided that some people were to be loved by him forever and some not?
sounds no fair to me actually.
what do you guys think?
 
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Please, Jos, give some historical evidence for your 'claim', and the claim that Greek homosexuals got 'married'.
Not only there is no historical evidence of such marriages among the Greeks, but even the myth itself has nothing to do with gays seeking their other halves (man seeking another man). Those humans, from the myth, that had four legs, four arms and two faces were called "androgyns" (gr. "andros" means man while "gyn" means woman). So, when Zeus split them, he split them in woman and man and ever since women are incomplete without men and viceversa.
 

jos

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it was not always men-women:
"The creatures who had been double women before, naturally sought out women; those who had been androgynous, sought out members of the opposite gender; those who had been double men, sought out the company of men, and not simply for intercourse, but so they could become whole again by being rejoined with their soul mates."
without that it would have been pointless to even say this for me. i know what i'm talking about.
btw: women is
γυνη or γυναικα
 
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You're responding to a video that you can't hear. Got it. *rolls eyes*.

If "science" "decides" that it's natural to put telephone poles in your anus, I'm sure you'll cite a study and go right along with it. I won't be making that journey with you; however, maybe I can save you some pain. Here's the truth:

"An examination of family pedigrees revealed that gay men had more homosexual male relatives through maternal than through paternal lineages, suggesting a linkage to the X chromosome. Dean Hamer[SUP]24[/SUP] found such an association at region Xq28. If male sexual orientation was influenced by a gene on Xq28, then gay brothers should share more than 50% of their alleles at this region, whereas their heterosexual brothers should share less than 50% of their alleles. In the absence of such an association, then both types of brothers should display 50% allele sharing. An analysis of 40 pairs of gay brothers and found that they shared 82% of their alleles in the Xq28 region, which was much greater than the 50% allele sharing that would be expected by chance.[SUP]25[/SUP] However, a follow-up study by the same research group, using 32 pairs of gay brothers and found only 67% allele sharing, which was much closer to the 50% expected by chance.[SUP]26[/SUP] Attempts by Rice et al. to repeat the Hamer study resulted in only 46% allele sharing, insignificantly different from chance, contradicting the Hamer results.[SUP]27[/SUP] At the same time, an unpublished study by Alan Sanders (University of Chicago) corroborated the Rice results.[SUP]28[/SUP] Ultimately, no gene or gene product from the Xq28 region was ever identified that affected sexual orientation. When Jonathan Marks (an evolutionary biologist) asked Hamer what percentage of homosexuality he thought his results explained, his answer was that he thought it explained 5% of male homosexuality. Marks' response was, "There is no science other than behavioral genetics in which you can leave 97.5% of a phenomenon unexplained and get headlines."[SUP]29[/SUP]

24. Dean Hamer gained even more notoriety by publishing a book entitled The God Gene: How Faith Is Hardwired into Our Genes, which a Scientific American Review of The God Gene said should have been titled, "A Gene That Accounts for Less than One Percent of the Variance Found in Scores on Psychological Questionnaires Designed to Measure a Factor Called Self-Transcendence, Which Can Signify Everything from Belonging to the Green Party to Believing in ESP, According to One Unpublished, Unreplicated Study."
25. Hamer, D. H., S. Hu, V. L. Magnuson, N. Hu, and A. M. Pattatucci. 1993. A linkage between DNA markers on the X chromosome and male sexual orientation. Science 261: 321.
26. Hu S., A.M. Pattatucci, C. Patterson, L. Li, D.W. Fulker, S.S. Cherny, L. Kruglyak, and D.H. Hamer. 1995. Linkage between sexual orientation and chromosome Xq28 in males but not in females. Nat. Genet. 11:248-56.
27. Rice, G., C. Anderson, N. Risch, and G. Ebers. 1999. Male Homosexuality: Absence of Linkage to Microsatellite Markers at Xq28. Science 284: 665-667.
28. Wickelgren, I. 1999. Discovery of 'Gay Gene' Questioned. Science 284: 571.
29. Marks, J. 2002. What It Means to Be 98% Chimpanzee: Apes, People, and Their Genes
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i cannot have any sound now. but i suppose it's about why you can't be gay and christian at the same time?
notice that the scientific world is coming closer to the answer that being gay is no matter of choise, but of genes.
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/technology-science/science/homosexuality-dna-say-scientists-3145703so if you couldn't
Male homosexuality influenced by genes, US study finds - Americas - World - The Independent
choose to be gay or not, then you didn't had a chance from the begining to have a relation with god?
so god desided that some people were to be loved by him forever and some not?
sounds no fair to me actually.
what do you guys think?
 
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it was not always men-women:
"The creatures who had been double women before, naturally sought out women; those who had been androgynous, sought out members of the opposite gender; those who had been double men, sought out the company of men, and not simply for intercourse, but so they could become whole again by being rejoined with their soul mates."
without that it would have been pointless to even say this for me. i know what i'm talking about.


You clearly have no idea of what you're talking about. The myth of the androgyne is very famous and the etymology of the word "androgyne" shows that it is about a man (andros) and a woman (gyni) that are united in an androgyne. The pagan Greeks may have been corrupted, but they surely weren't stupid not to understand the complementary relationship between a man and a woman.

btw: women is γυνη or γυναικα
btw: γυνη or γυναικα is in fact "gyni" (maybe the word gynecology rings a bell to you).
 
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prodigal

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i cannot have any sound now. but i suppose it's about why you can't be gay and christian at the same time?
notice that the scientific world is coming closer to the answer that being gay is no matter of choise, but of genes.
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/technology-science/science/homosexuality-dna-say-scientists-3145703so if you couldn't
Male homosexuality influenced by genes, US study finds - Americas - World - The Independent
choose to be gay or not, then you didn't had a chance from the begining to have a relation with god?
so god desided that some people were to be loved by him forever and some not?
sounds no fair to me actually.
what do you guys think?
that study is so tottally inconclusive the percentage of scientists disagree with it, as in 2 twins should either both be gay or not, which isn'tthe case at all. the trouble is your just googling information to fit your pre-concieved ideas. thats not a way to find un unbias conclusion to any subject
 

jos

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the trouble is your just googling information to fit your pre-concieved ideas. thats not a way to find un unbias conclusion to any subject
i have already read many of those articles for years. mostly on paper, so i indeed googled some other on the internet. those are just exemples. of course i agree that the ultimate proof has not been found yet, so it can still be anything. but i'm pretty convinced it are (mostly) the genes. i think that because i have a gay friend at school, who acts that way already during his whole life, as long as i know him. that goes back to when we were 4-5 years old. he was always sitting with the girls and acting like a girl. i don't think that could have been a 'decission of being gay' on that age. so he has to be born with it. just because they only come out with it on a later age doesn't mean that they only are gay from that point. i also have a lesbian aunt, and she is still very welcom in her church. because churches here also believe they are born with it.
 
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To answer the title question. No you cannot.

It would be like saying 'can you not support murder and support it at the same time?'
 
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ADEP

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This is not possible becuz, gay marriage is not encouraged in the bible.In Genesis1:27, God created a man and a woman. In Genesis 2:24, it is written "For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife,and they will become one flesh."NIV God did not say a man will be united to his husband. Also,in Genesis19,sodom and gomorrah was destroyed because of gay relationship .The gays are also humans and can repent of this gay marriage cuz its a sin and God hates sin.