is homosexuality in the same category as pedophilia?

Please ignore this I feel so bad!

[Cako53]

Originally Posted by MeganneCheers

After reading my post last night, I feel like a total DIP.
Okayye, so. I am all for homsexuality.
It doesn't bother me.
I AM a christain. I just don't believe everything I hear.
True, the bible sayys marriage is between a man and a woman, but I don't think it was meant to be taken so literally. I'm trying to get my point across calmly here.

To be chritain means to be CHRITLIKE, does it not? Well, Jesus loved EVERYONE.
Who were his friends?
Lepers. Whores. Criminals.

I want to make an attempt to be friends with anyonne & I cannot apologize enough for things I said last night. I just believe that nothing is wrong and there is NO SUCH THING as sin...

That's my belief. & I'll make a better effort to accept all of youurs.

Please forgive and forget?

God Bless you all & Peace be with you.

Meganne Marie.

I forgive and forget because God commands me too. My normal human nature would not. I just don't get how you can believe that there is no sin. If you say you are a Christian, than this means that you believe Christ came down to earth to die for our sins. Why else was Jesus betrayed, beaten, tortured, humiliated, forsaken, and hung on a cross? Did he do it for show? No he came for us! To cleanse us of our SINS so that we would not be sent to the lake of fire, so that we could spend eternity with him. If you don't believe in sin, then you are not a true Christian. Plain and simple.

1 John 3:4-6 " 4Everyone who sins breaks the law; in fact, sin is lawlessness. 5But you know that he appeared so that he might take away our sins. And in him is no sin. 6No one who lives in him keeps on sinning. No one who continues to sin has either seen him or known him. "

[zavok]

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[coca2113]

Well, Pedophilia hurts people. However, homosexuality is very vague in the bible. Jesus said absolutely nothing on it. 1st Corinthians 6:9-10 is often misconstrued to mean homosexuals, when it is actually reffering to male prostitution and pedophilia (according to a language study by John Boswell). So, since the refferences in the new testiment are reffering to male prostitution and pedophilia, that leaves us with Leviticus. Yes, Leviticus condemns homosexuality, but it is equally sinful in those laws to wear clothes with blended fibers, eat pork or shellfish, and you were encourages to stone people to death. Jesus said that he fufilled all those laws, and they are no longer valid as laws from God. If you insist on keeping one law from Leviticus, you have to keep them all, lest you make yourself out as a hyocrite. But even if homosexuality WAS condemned by God, doesn't Jesus teach us to accept the outcast and show them compassion, not intolerance, hatred, and judgement?

[kewl42]

1 in 10 people are homosexual. there are less redheads in the world. does that mean that redheads are abnormal? homosexualtiy is not a disease. it does not characterize a person. it is like being black, white, asian, you name it.
1. there were homosexuals long before the bible.
2. god made all people right? so he made homosexuals that way. don't say that the devil tampered, all children, at birth, are innately good.
3. pedophiles are attracted to young children. homosexuals aren't.
if god is accepting of all his children, why can't you be? if you claim to follow the bible, and god's teachings? in the 17th chpter of St. Luke, it is written that the kingdom of god is within men, not one man, nor a group of men, but all men. if that is so, and homosexuals are humans, then the kingdom of heaven is within them as well. people are different, if you can't accept that, then you really need to rethink your place as a christian. my best friend is bi, and she'e the best person i've ever known. i don't mean to offend. just giving my opinion. you are free to believe what you want to.

[VegHead]

Homosexuality is definitely not in the same catagory as pedophilia. Homosexuality shouldn't be punished, but the people who commit pedophiliia should absolutely be repremanded

[Crossfire]

I'd like to take a moment to encourage you guys to read your bibles on a regular basis if you can fit into your schedules. I remember all to well how difficult it is to be a teenager, much less a teenager pursuing the things of God. Not Easy at all!

Anyways, the reason for the encouragement is this, the bible teaches us that all sexual immorality, regardless of what kind (homosexuality, pedophelia, rape, an adulterous affair, sex outside of marriage, lust, porn addiction, masturbation, etc.), all of it is not only equally wrong, it is also equally dangerous because most are habit forming, very bad habits that can destroy your life. Also, no one is born gay just as no one is born a rapist or born addicted to pornography. Such things occur as a result of the enviroment in which we were raised and / or due to past experiences which mold and shape our thought processes.

According to most of the gay men that I have talked to, most men become gay due to a lack of male mentorship at a very young age because their natural father was not their for them either physically or emotionally when they were very young. As a result, their desire for such a figure in their lives becomes distorted / perverted over time when allowed to grow without structure.

And, while this scenerio may not hold true for gay women seeing as I have yet the opportunity to speak openly with one, I have found this same scenerio to be a major influence in the lives of many girls who become very promiscuous (sleeping around) at a very young age. They turn to men / boys to find the love and attention that they're not getting at home. Of course, there could be exceptions to this rule however, this appears to be the predominant reason for such behavior.

In ending, I would would like to encourage you guys to seek a biblical perspective on such things and not embrace everything that today's society embraces and teaches.

[VikkiKate89]

Homosexuality and pedophilia are not one in the same for this simple reason:

Homosexuality is in reference of the relationship between two consenting adults.

Pedophilia involves an adult and a child.

One has the consent of two mature individuals, the other has a victim. They are clearly not the same thing.

[jimmydiggs]

Depends on which category is in question.

If our category is, "Sin", then yes, they would be as they are both quite clearly sin.

Both are sexual sins.

There are other categories that can be applied though, in which one would not be the same as the other.

[Crossfire]

Originally Posted by VikkiKate89

Homosexuality and pedophilia are not one in the same for this simple reason:

Homosexuality is in reference of the relationship between two consenting adults.

Pedophilia involves an adult and a child.

One has the consent of two mature individuals, the other has a victim. They are clearly not the same thing.

VikkiKate, what you must understand is this: Pedophilia is a form of rape. A child who has been molested is no more guilty of sexual immorality than a woman who has been raped is guilty of sexual immorality. They are the unfortunate victoms of a crime.

However, the Bible makes no distinction between the pedophile, the rapist, the adulterer, the homosexual, the nymphomaniac, the porn addict, etc. Why? Because those who give in to sexual immorality are allowing themselves to be dominated by the lusts of the flesh. According to the bible, lust is lust no matter how it is packaged. In God's eyes all are considered sin and all are deserving of death. In other words, you can't be a habitual rapist, a habitual adulterer or a habitual homosexual and still be saved.

Why? Because the bible teaches us that once we are saved the Holy Spirit, which is the divine nature of God, comes to live within us. We are given an option, to follow the leading of the Holy Spirit or to follow the lusts of the flesh. In Romans 8 the bible teaches that those who are being led by the Holy Spirit will not sin because in Him there is no sin seeing as His nature is divine in origin. The Christian is called to live like Christ through the guidance and empowerment of the Holy Spirit. That is what it means to be a real Christian.

To be led by the flesh is to willingly live in sin. If you are habitually being led by the flesh then you have basically reverted back into a lost state because you are choosing to deny (willingly ignore) the Holy Spirit. Scripture plainly teaches that sin grieves the Holy Spirit because in Him is the power to over come the lusts of the flesh and the desires of this world. By choosing to fulfill the lusts of the flesh you are choosing the gods of this world over the one eternal God. Mind you no one is perfect and we do make mistakes but unless we humble ourselves and repent of our sinfulness, the bible states in Romans 1 that God will eventually give us up to a reprobate (perverted) mind thus allowing the enemy to have his way with you. Some might argue that once saved a person can not lose their salvation however, if they have chosen sin over God then who's to say that they were ever saved to begin with? Regardless such a person needs to repent and do their first works over, in other words, start over in the Lord.

This is why it's so important that we read our bibles. As Christians, we must embrace the way God see things and not how the world sees things.

[mori]

Originally Posted by Crossfire

However, the Bible makes no distinction between the pedophile, the rapist, the adulterer, the homosexual, the nymphomaniac, the porn addict, etc.

Is that true? Scandalizing children seems to make Jesus especially angry and they're given special permission to "bug" him.

[Crossfire]

Originally Posted by mori

Is that true? Scandalizing children seems to make Jesus especially angry and they're given special permission to "bug" him.

Keep reading Mori. The answer to your question is found later in the same paragraph:

"... the Bible makes no distinction between the pedophile, the rapist, the adulterer, the homosexual, the nymphomaniac, the porn addict, etc. Why? Because those who give in to sexual immorality are allowing themselves to be dominated by the lusts of the flesh. According to the bible, lust is lust no matter how it is packaged. In God's eyes all are considered sin and all are deserving of death."

[mori]

Originally Posted by Crossfire

Keep reading Mori. The answer to your question is found later in the same paragraph:

"... the Bible makes no distinction between the pedophile, the rapist, the adulterer, the homosexual, the nymphomaniac, the porn addict, etc. Why? Because those who give in to sexual immorality are allowing themselves to be dominated by the lusts of the flesh. According to the bible, lust is lust no matter how it is packaged. In God's eyes all are considered sin and all are deserving of death."

That qualification is insufficient, especially given its distance from the initial statement. In addition, it's listed as an answer to why; it's not so much a qualification of what you mean by "no distinction" as an argument than "no distinction" means all sins are deserving of death. That's incorrect - there are distinctions to be made which don't fall under that one consideration.

[mori]

Let me put it this way: had there been a "as it concerns the sinfulness of these activities" clause in the first sentence, it'd be fine. However, you're trying to get all the rhetorical force of an unqualified lead-in when, in fact, the argument doesn't warrant it.

[Crossfire]

Originally Posted by mori

Let me put it this way: had there been a "as it concerns the sinfulness of these activities" clause in the first sentence, it'd be fine. However, you're trying to get all the rhetorical force of an unqualified lead-in when, in fact, the argument doesn't warrant it.

I'm not here to argue. What I have shared is the biblical view of sexual immorality, not an opinion or an assumption. The bible is the word of God. To oppose or reject what the bible says is to oppose or to reject God Himself.

The bible is the only acceptable source and the soul authority of all things Godly & Christian. If you can prove that the bible teaches something other than what I have stated then invite you to do so. However, I will not accept anything outside of the bible itself.

[joyfulandtriumphant]

no such thing as sin?? I'm confused as to why you want to be more Christlike given that he died for our sins.
Indeed, He is the perfect example of love that we must all strive to follow but in christs words "I am not come to call the righteous but sinners to repentance"

As for this thread, i see no benefit to categorising sin, tho as humans we all do so. However, any unrepented sin, regardless of how minor WE judge it to be cannot be looked upon by God.

Praise God for his provision of salvation through Jesus His Son :-)

[mori]

Originally Posted by Crossfire

I'm not here to argue. What I have shared is the biblical view of sexual immorality, not an opinion or an assumption. The bible is the word of God. To oppose or reject what the bible says is to oppose or to reject God Himself.

The bible is the only acceptable source and the soul authority of all things Godly & Christian. If you can prove that the bible teaches something other than what I have stated then invite you to do so. However, I will not accept anything outside of the bible itself.

That's markedly removed from the conversation we were having. Let me give you an example. I say: "The Bible makes no distinction between men and women. Why? Because it says there is no male or female in Christ."

Someone else responds: "The Bible makes plenty of distinctions between men and women. In that one sense, perhaps there isn't any difference, but that doesn't mean the Bible makes no distinctions."

I respond: "What I have shared is the biblical view of sex and gender, not an opinion or an assumption. The bible is the word of God. To oppose or reject what the bible says is to oppose or to reject God Himself."

Rightfully so, people should LOL at that. I got called on poor wording and started talking about rejecting God.

[Titania]

Soo you believe there is no such thing as sin?

So if a grown man rapes his 3 year-old daughter every night THAT IS OKAY!?

How can you say that nothing is wrong? So rape, murder, or stealing is "NOT WRONG"?!

People can do wrong things lady not everyone in the world is an angel.