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Feb 16, 2014
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You came to a Christian site to propagate contrary views...
views that you knew in advance would be confrontational, argumentative, and upsetting.

Why on earth would I let you play the victim card here, and act like WE are the mean ones, when YOU CAME HERE LOOKING FOR A FIGHT???

The height of absurdity.

You came her, on purpose, looking for debate and controversy.
As soon as you get some, you act like a victim.
Maxwel, none of this is true. You're the one flinging mud and trying to tell us Cybertech started it.

I still don't know why atheists keep coming on this forum to argue about a God they don't even think exists.
Seems odd to me.
Cybertech didn't come to this thread to debate whether or not God really exists. Therefore, this point is irrelevant to the discussion at hand. She merely answered why some atheists tend to be short tempered or act in an offensive manner.

If he doesn't exist... why are you so threatened by Him that you need to debate all the time?
I don't believe in Santa Claus, but I don't go around trying to debate against him.
People who spend all their time debating and fighting against something they think is imaginary...
As I said before, Cybertech didn't come here to debate whether or not God exists. However, I would like to answer your question. Since it's irrelevant to the rest of this post and even this thread, I'm typing it in blue.

The reason atheists debate against a God they feel is imaginary is because so many people believe God to be real. We can both probably agree that Voltron isn't real and neither one of us wastes our time debating the validity of Voltron. However, if there were people around us who sincerely believed Voltron was real, only voted for politicians who supported their views on Voltron, and wanted to teach students how Voltron saved the world, I'm sure both of us would (hopefully) speak out against this imaginary Voltron.

Many people speak out against global warming, claiming it's not real. But if it isn't real, why should they speak out against it? The reason they speak out against it is because it has an effect on our society and how it operates.

Lastly, I'm sure we can both agree that the Koran is anything but an authority on morality. We don't speak out against Islam too much because most of the English speaking people we run into aren't Muslim and Islam has zero power in the United States. But, if the religion of Islam did get its foot in the door in which politicians would start trying to enact Islamic law, would you stay quiet just because you believe Islam is a fairy tale religion? No, you would join people such as myself and point out how Islam is an immoral religion based on make believe.

Hopefully, that answers your question.

It is just like an atheist to come to a Christian place, speak things contrary to what we believe, and then when we speak up and disagree, the atheist immediately plays the "victim" card... and pretends we attacked him.
That is typical, and it's old.


This never happened in this thread and I've never seen Cybertech do this herself. I can understand how you may have misread her post as coming off as such, but she's not saying atheists are victims. She's just explaining honestly why atheists sometimes retaliate in an immature fashion.

In fact, according to site policies, EVERYONE is perfectly welcome up until the point you start expressing views contrary to the core fundamentals of the Christian faith.


Not necessarily.

2. No conduct that is offensive or counterproductive to fellowship.

We like to welcome all to Christian Chat, but if anyone is not here for fellowship (or for wanting to know about Christianity), but simply for disrupting fellowship, offending people, whatever, then that person is not welcome.
We're not allowed to express views that are counter-productive to fellowship. This terminology is fairly vague, so it's understandable why you feel Cybertech broke the rules.

Cybertech didn't come in here to try and persuade anyone that God isn't real. She simply explained why atheists act the way they do. And because this thread is regarding atheists, her response is completely relevant to the discussion at hand.

One thing I've noticed is that atheists are allowed to discuss their views relating to threads and posts about atheists or atheism (as long as their views are relevant to the topic). If an atheist makes a thread explaining all the reasons God isn't real, they're trying to dissuade Christians from their faith. This is against the rules. However, if a Christian creates a thread asking why atheists don't believe in God, it's perfectly acceptable for atheists to explain those reasons.

This is one reason I enjoy this website so much.
I'm allowed to respond to Christian claims and questions about atheism, because I get the opportunity to defend my own views and the views of other atheists. I'm allowed to spread my beliefs to those who are curious about them. It's okay to be responsive. And I'll admit, I've seen atheist forums that won't even offer this kind of luxury to Christians (that's not necessarily wrong, but it's why I don't partake in such forums).

In short Maxwel, I feel you don't actually pay attention to what many of us atheists post. You automatically come to the conclusion that we're here with the purpose of stirring controversy simply based on the fact that we post openly about our views. You don't take into consideration what our views are or why we posted them. In this case, Cybertech posted why atheists can be jerks in a thread asking why atheists tend to act like jerks towards Christians. She's not challenging Christian views with her post.
 
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Online, I've been trying to spread the Word of God and atheists are not being so kind. They have commented many rude comments that are completely unnecessary. I want to try to help them but how? Should I leave them alone or send them messages about Christ?
As Christians who know the love of God and have the assurance of eternity in heaven, it’s hard to understand why anyone would want to be an atheist. But when we realize the sin nature and its strong influence on the mind and the heart, we begin to understand where the atheist is coming from. Biblically speaking, there is no such thing as an atheist. Psalm 19:1-2 tells us that the heavens declare the glory of God. We see His creative power in all that He has made. Romans 1:19-20 follows up on this idea, telling us that what may be known about God has been made plain to us through the creation, and anyone who denies this is “suppressing the truth in unrighteousness” (v. 18). Psalm 14:1 and 53:1 declare that those who deny the existence of God are fools. So the atheist is either lying or he is a fool or both. So, what is it that causes someone to deny God?

The main goal of those under the influence of the sin nature is to make himself a god, to have complete control over his life, or so he thinks. Then religion comes along with obligations, judgments, and restrictions, while atheists presume to define their own meaning and morality. They do not want to submit to God because their hearts are at “enmity against God,” and they have no desire to be subject to His Law. In fact they are incapable of doing so because their sin has blinded them to truth (Romans 8:6-7). This is why atheists spend most of their time complaining and arguing not about the scriptural proof texts, but about the “dos and don’ts.” Their natural rebelliousness detests the commandments of God. They simply hate the idea that anything—or any One—should have control over them. What they do not realize is that Satan himself is controlling them, blinding them, and preparing their souls for hell.

In terms of evangelizing atheists, we should not hold back the gospel from someone just because he or she claims to be an atheist. Do not forget that an atheist is just as lost as a Muslim, Hindu, or Buddhist. God certainly wants us to spread the gospel (Matthew 28:19) and to defend the truths of His word (Romans 1:16). On the other hand, we are not obligated to waste our time trying to convince the unwilling. In fact, we are warned not to expend excessive effort on those who are clearly disinterested in any honest discussions (Matthew 7:6). Jesus told the apostles to go and preach the Word, but He did not expect them to stay anywhere until every last person had been converted (Matthew 10:14).

Perhaps the best tactic is to give each person the benefit of the doubt, at least at first. Every question, honestly and truthfully answered, gives that person a chance to hear the gospel. But if that person is just arguing, being hostile, or otherwise not listening, it’s probably time to go somewhere else. Some people are totally and absolutely hardened to the gospel (Proverbs 29:1). They may be rational or irrational, but there are scriptural reasons to believe that some people are willingly immune to the influence of the Holy Spirit (Genesis 6:3). When we have made a good-faith effort to talk to someone, and he or she is unreachable, then we are commanded to “shake the dust off” of our shoes (Luke 9:5) and spend our time talking to those who are more spiritually open. As in all things, the wisdom of God is crucial. God has promised that wisdom to us if we ask (James 1:5), and we should pray for it and trust God’s prompting to know how and when to end the dialog with a hostile atheist.

“Do not give dogs what is holy, and do not throw your pearls before pigs, lest they trample them underfoot and turn to attack you. " Matthew 7:6


Read more: Should Christians try to evangelize atheists?
 
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Also, Titus 3:10 says "10 As for a person who stirs up division, after warning him once and then twice, have nothing more to do with him, 11 knowing that such a person is warped and sinful; he is self-condemned."
The verse before mentions foolish arguments about laws, geneologies, and contraversies, so maybe verse 10 only applies to those specific quarrels, but if the non-believer you are talking to is trying to stir up division it might be a good rule to follow. Just a thought, it might apply and it might not. It might be a passage for you to look at though.
 
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On the Internet, there is one very important rule of how the Internet generally works; "Haters will hate."

But, if u really want to change their perspective on Christianity, which I highly recommend and support, you must first learn the Bible thoroughly. Then, learn to think like atheists, aka being infinitely skeptical, and lastly learn theological philosophy.

There are many ways out there that you can check out BTW. Anyways this is just my opinion. And BTW Proverbs may be helpful.

May the Lord God Almighty grant you wisdom and understanding as you walk with Him. God bless you.
i did this once went online be like ohh there is people called atheist what they don't believe in god that's just silly then i went research the arguments and guess what i didn't convert anyone to a Christian it converted me into atheist just let people believe what they want but if they want to argue let them your the one proposing the idea of a god in the first place also if you just do some 6th grade history learning you will learn that the idea of a higher been or a god was cause they did not have the science to explain every thing or the unknown
 
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hey before you go and head and post some stuff about my post above this i kinda responded to the guy without reading the little quarle or just one person having a bad day and wants to yell at a non believer so the post above this is just saying that his suggestion is not the best idea cause if this person wants to keep their faith and stuff not a good idea to go looking a arguments or debunks turn out right so just a warning if you aren't a supper strong believer