we shall not judge others

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Samuelman27

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Greetings friends this is my second post

1. JUDGEMENTAL attitude
Imagine a atheist right in front of you with piercing , tattoos and etc how do you feel?
I'm sure we all be like oh man that guy is soo lifeless don't we . Here are things to know that is clearly not our purpose to say those
In Romans 3:23, God said that "all have sinned and come short of the glory of God."
We’re not what God created us to be and none of us possess within ourselves the power to become what God wants us to be. But, while we are "helpless," we are not "hopeless." God has provided a way for us to get to heaven talkin about the way you can be ( god uses anyone ) the way you can help em
Did you hear about a ex pornstar she hated god so much that she got abused and started to enter the pornography industries untill a day a [pastors son approached her ] (will you?) looked at her eyes told her why are you doin this she then had someone to listen to
hats off to the pastor's son
He knew she was infected with a disease but still did not use that reason for not helping her and they were married now she is cured and started a non profit organisation * check the story out at youtube ( dr.shelly I suppose)
All I'm tryin to say is
Our eyes are the lamp of our body if it's perfect then your whole body is full of light I hope you guys understand

Matthew chapter 7 : verse 1 “Do not judge, or you too will be judged. 2 For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you.

3 “Why do you look at the speck o
f sawdust in your brother’s eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye? 4 How can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ when all the time there is a plank in your own eye? 5 You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother’s eye.



Sorry for my english =)
 

NateDaGrimes

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Actually I can judge them according if I am doing it righteously, As long I am judging not as a hypocrite then I can and so far living in righteousness I believe we can be go on living a righteous life with little sin to no sins through christ in our lives.
 
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emarie

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Actually I can judge them according if I am doing it righteously, As long I am judging not as a hypocrite then I can and so far living in righteousness I believe we can be go on living a righteous life with little sin to no sins through christ in our lives.
The Bible CLEARLY states not to judge others. You are not perfect, so you have no right to judge. :)
 
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bananertanner

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I was going to paste Matthew 7:1-5 for you, but I see that you have already posted it. Most people read verse 1 and stop there, so I'm happy you decided to post the proceeding verses. In these verses, Jesus talks about making personal judgments towards others, when your actions are just as bad, or worse. I think the main point of this is hypocrisy. Jesus has made it very clear through other verses that the hypocrisy of the Jewish leaders at the time were a problem, so I believe hypocrisy is more so where he was going with in Matthew 7:1-5, not necessarily eradicating all judgement completely. The definition of judgement is merely just "an opinion or a statement", and in order to show to non believers that they are in sin, we need to sort of let them know what their sin is, and in this case, it wouldn't be a huge problem, in my opinion. However, judgement based on things like outwards appearances and such, that is drawing a line. Also, there are ways to go about things, being rude and cold is not one of them. In order to lead others to the love of Jesus, we have to show the love of Jesus.
 
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Samuelman27

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@natedagrimes i Dont know who are you i wont be askin you personal Questions or the situation you're in but you said [ living in righteous life with little sin ]? Though all of us are a sinner christ died for us to cleanse us amigo god sent his beloved child through mary
We don't drink sea water without purification do we?
A SIN IS ALWAYS A SIN NO MATTER HOW WE JUSTIFY IT and that is where amazing grace comes to save a wretch like us =D
 
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BelieveinOneGod

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Bravo bananeterner!
 
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BelieveinOneGod

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Bravo bananeterner!
 
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The Bible CLEARLY states not to judge others. You are not perfect, so you have no right to judge. :)
John 7:24 states Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment.
 
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AgeofKnowledge

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So every judge in the world should step down immediately and societies rapidly deteriorate into lawless chaos? All criminals should be immediately freed and allowed to do whatever they want (including murder, assault, extortion, robbery, organized crime, etc...) because no one has the right to judge another?
How about we give them all your address and your promise that if they come stay with you, they won't be "judged." Lol.

Obviously Jesus taught not to judge at all if we judge others the way the Pharisees did and to remove our own blindness beforehand (NateDaGrimes is actually correct).

But did you read 1 Corinthians 5:12-13 with regard to judging people in the church? It says, "For what have I to do with judging outsiders? Do you not judge those who are within the church? But those who are outside, God judges. Remove the wicked man from among yourselves."

In other words, God sanctioned the office of earthly governing authorities (see Romans 13) outside the church. That's why it's Biblical that earthly judges implement a godly rule of law and judge those who break it (note: this is not to be confused with governments wrongly implementing ungodly laws).

We can also righteously judge the behavior of non-believers. Here's what that looks like: Adolph Hitler was wrong to murder the people he murdered. There I judged righteously and it's biblical to make a statement like that. See how this works?

Inside the church, we judge those who grossly violate God's moral law (see 1 Corinthians 5) in our midst. We don't do this as the Pharisees did, we do examine ourselves and deal with our own hearts and lives beforehand, and we do follow the Biblical model for it. See https://bible.org/article/church-discipline

I should stop here but allow me to digress. In your view, if a married pastor at your church begins having an affair behind his wife's back and murders the mistress so his wife doesn't find out you will simply smile and say "I'll never judge that man for anything he ever does. Praise the Lord!"

Really? What if he does it again? At what point DO you ever judge anyone even to save life?

Is it really loving your neighbor, or even the perpetrators themselves, to enable their wickedness through turning a blind eye to it rather than judging it for what it is and holding them accountable?

If no one ever judged other people, there would be no real human community. In a sinful world, no community can exist for long where nobody is ever held accountable: no teacher would grade a student's performance; no citizen would sit on a jury or call a failed leader to account. And, when you come to think of it, nobody would ever forgive anyone for wrongs he had done; we only forgive people for what we blame them, and we blame them only after we have judged them.

The Bible and common sense says to hold them accountable. Stopping a murderer, for example, is the most loving thing you can do. Removing such a leader from their position and turning them into the earthly authorities for judgment and punishment IS the most loving thing to do. And, of course, it's ALSO the biblical and moral thing to do: "Remove the wicked man [or woman] from yourselves." -1 Corinthians 5:13

The historical background of the Corinthian church is interesting. It has long been recognized by Biblical historical scholars that many of the problems Paul addresses in the church at Corinth are grounded in their wrong thinking that was a result of the Hellenism and mystical cults that had spread across the Roman Empire from the East which many of the gentile believers had followed before becoming Christians.

Plato had taught that the body was the tomb of the soul; that death brought liberation from physical captivity; that already in this life one could transcend the negative arena of matter by a higher knowledge of ultimate reality. Various Hellenistic cults offered immortality via union with the god or gods, sometimes symbolized or achieved through cultic prostitution.

Within such a religious philosophical climate, Paul’s teaching regarding freedom “in Christ” and life “in the Spirit” was all too often, and particularly at Corinth, perverted into an enthusiastic libertinism that rejected moral restraints, particularly in the realm of the physical.

The proper response, both to the intolerable case of sexual immorality as well as to their imagined philosophical superiorities, should have been mourning. A repentant attitude would inevitably lead to the removal of the gross immoral offender from their church and fellowship.

That some form of excommunication is intended is clear not only from 1 Corinthians 5:2, but from the Passover analogy in 1 Corinthians 5:6–8 (“Get rid of the old yeast”) and the citation of Deuteronomy 17:7 (“Expel the wicked man from among you”—1 Cor 5:13). The nature of the removal is expressed in the ambiguous phrase “hand this man over to Satan.” Its purpose is twofold: (1) that his “sinful nature” or “flesh” would be destroyed and (2) that his “spirit” would be saved (1 Cor 5:5).

The phrase “hand over to Satan” must be recognized in some figurative, metaphorical sense, since a person literally abandoned to Satan would seem to be lost irrevocably. Yet here such an end is not envisioned.
So in context, Jesus was moved to speak as he did by the haughty way the Pharisees had of judging people. In Matthew 5:20 through 7:6, Jesus warns his disciples against following the traditions and practices of the Pharisees, who judged others as if they themselves were beyond judgment. What's more, they judged people by the letter, not the spirit, of the law.

Jesus meant, "Do not judge at all if you judge others the way the Pharisees do. If you do judge people this way, you will be judged with the same severity." Jesus' intent comes out in his metaphor of motes and beams (Matt. 7:3-5). We all have beams in our eyes, so to speak; to judge people for the little motes stuck in their eyes while we have big beams in our own is arrogant folly.


The Bible CLEARLY states not to judge others. You are not perfect, so you have no right to judge. :)
 

blue_ladybug

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Actually I can judge them according if I am doing it righteously, As long I am judging not as a hypocrite then I can and so far living in righteousness I believe we can be go on living a righteous life with little sin to no sins through christ in our lives.

​Let the first one without any sin of their own cast the stone at another sinner. Can ANY of us say we are truly without sin in our lives? I know I cant make that statement. And for anybody to make that statement would be considered blasphemy for it is not true.
 
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biscuit

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[h=1]What does the Bible mean that we are not to judge others?[/h]
Question: "What does the Bible mean that we are not to judge others?"

Answer:
This is an issue that has confused many people. On one hand, we are commanded by the Lord Jesus, “Do not judge, or you too will be judged” (Matthew 7:1). On the other hand, the Bible also exhorts us to beware of evildoers and false prophets and to avoid those who practice all kinds of evil. How are we to discern who these people are if we do not make some kind of judgment about them?

Christians are often accused of "judging" whenever they speak out against a sinful activity. However, that is not the meaning of the Scripture verses that state, "Do not judge." There is a righteous kind of judgment we are supposed to exercise—with careful discernment (John 7:24). When Jesus told us not to judge (Matthew 7:1), He was telling us not to judge hypocritically. Matthew 7:2-5 declares, "For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you. Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother's eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye? How can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye’ when all the time there is a plank in your own eye? You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother's eye." What Jesus was condemning here was hypocritical, self-righteous judgments of others.

In Matthew 7:2-5, Jesus warns against judging someone else for his sin when you yourself are sinning even worse. That is the kind of judging Jesus commanded us not to do. If a believer sees another believer sinning, it is his Christian duty to lovingly and respectfully confront the person with his sin (Matthew 18:15-17). This is not judging, but rather pointing out the truth in hope—and with the ultimate goal—of bringing repentance in the other person (James 5:20) and restoration to the fellowship. We are to speak the truth in love (Ephesians 4:15). We are to proclaim what God's Word says about sin. 2 Timothy 4:2 instructs us, "Preach the Word; be prepared in season and out of season; correct, rebuke and encourage — with great patience and careful instruction." We are to "judge" sin, but always with the goal of presenting the solution for sin and its consequences—the Lord Jesus Christ (John 14:6).

Recommended Resources: Hard Sayings of the Bible by Kaiser, Davids,
 
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AgeofKnowledge

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Great post biscuit. I've sourced Kaiser myself on this issue many times.
 
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As I understood it, I thought that "judging" in the biblical sense was declaring whether they were going to heaven or hell. A judge decides the sentence. Not whether or not they are doing something wrong. As a christian, you could clearly see if someone is sinning, and are encouraged to correct fellow christians who are doing something that you think endangers their soul. The problem is knowing where to draw the line and knowing the difference between pointing out a wrong to help someone and trying to condemn someone or declare them hell bound. That is said to be something only God can do. You can know a tree by it's fruit, but you aren't the one who will cast it into the fire if you think its fruit is bad....does that make any sense?
 

NateDaGrimes

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He said judge righteous judgement and I will do that. The word judge not will not stop me of judging righteously (not of their appearence but by fruit) and since I am a clean slate, no longer guilty of anything I am to strive for perfection through christ. That's how it is suppose to be, not say hey jesus take the wheel and sit here and wait till things change.

If we want God to make us clean and anew we must not sit and wait once we ask, we "DO".
 

dfarmer2001

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Amen brother. Jesus says not to Judge, because he died for everyone and when you judge them you are basically judging Jesus because he died for that person. Which why would you judge people anyway? You don't understand where they have been or what they have been through. God knows everything, and he knows all things. We can allow him to do the judging. We have no right at all to judge anyone because we don't know what they have been through or even who they are.
 
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FireHeart

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There is no such thing as righteous Judging, looking down upon a person for any reason at all is non christian. There are two types of Judging I know of 1- discerning right from wrong 2- well im sure you know of this one. We may notice a person not living a Godly life that is not a sin but the second we look down upon them for it or think we are somehow better than them, in any way even a little we are then sinning and are hypocrites.
 
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There is no such thing as righteous Judging, looking down upon a person for any reason at all is non christian. There are two types of Judging I know of 1- discerning right from wrong 2- well im sure you know of this one. We may notice a person not living a Godly life that is not a sin but the second we look down upon them for it or think we are somehow better than them, in any way even a little we are then sinning and are hypocrites.
John 7:24 states Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment.
Argue that one with God.
 
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hishealingred

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John 7:24 states Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment.
Argue that one with God.
Do you know what righteous judgement is.
 
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Do you know what righteous judgement is.
Righteous judgement is judging something that I am not guilty of. That would make me a hypocrite.
Tell me something. If a brother in Christ were committing theft, would you stand back and let him do it or would you correct him?