Sex and marriage

[Peepers]

I'm sorry to hear about your Mom. Again, I'm stressing the importance of God's Word and His law, He doesn't say do this unless such and such! And yes, sometimes it puts us in very difficult situations, but we're supposed to love life and fight for it and put others needs before our own including your own unborn children. I would suggest that your Mom, knowing the possible dangers, be proactive in not becoming pregnant in the first place. Also, the morning after pill is still an abortion, just in it's earliest stages. All these scenarios of horrible circumstances are used to pull on our heart-strings but are in fact not the reality of the abortion industry. They are mostly done to get rid of an "inconvenience" after allowing immoral pleasures.

 

[lil_christian]

So glad someone else know about the 1% thing!

And just 'cause they were raped doesn't mean they have to kill the baby! It shouldn't be the child they are mad at anyway.. Adoption!

Yeah, that's what I was thinking...they don't want it? Well, then put the baby up for adoption.

 

[dan1el]

God invented sex but he also gave us boundaries that should be keept in those boundaries or it could becomes deadly and destructive. In some cases it can become like a drug and get addictive. It starts slowly it can destroy your mind, family, marriage, your future no one just wakes up and is addicted to porn, necrophilia, and other sick things out there. God created sex for marriage between a man and a woman only anything else is a sin and it's called fornication. Sex outside marriage can effect you! It breaks your heart ,effects you soul, unwanted pregnancies, sexual transmitted diseases and so forth. You don't have to believe the lies the culture tells you. As Christian we should be looking at what God's word says, not what the media and shows tell you. Parents should be honest with there kids not just tell them to remain virgins and that is all the education they get. I'm not preaching ignorance but truth. Tell them why they should not have sex ,teach them why it's wrong, and what the bible says. Have them ask questions so that they are not left curious about the facts of sexual intercourse. God says sex is good in marriage and wrong outside of marriage. All sin is pleasurable for a season then the wages sin come.

But if they cannot control themselves, they should marry, for it is better to marry than to burn with passions.1 Corinthians 7:9

My friend just got married, and his wife thinks she is pregnant... I *REALLY* don't think that was a smart move, since things are crumbling all around us; Jesus said, 'woe unto those women who are pregnant or nursing in those days'.

 

[MissCris]

I don't agree. I think a woman should have the right to get rid of part of the person who raped her. Although generally I think the morning after pill is better. I also have another scenario. My mother had to undergo surgery that removed the lining of her womb. It is unlikely that she will fall pregnant as it was removed however there is still a chance. If she were to continue with a pregnancy it would kill her. Should she not be allowed an abortion?

Then your mother needs to do everything within her own power to PREVENT pregnancy.

Back on the topic at hand though, sex inside a marriage is the only right way to go about it; also, sex is a necessary part of said marriage and does a lot to hold that marriage together.

In that case, I find it ironic that there are many women out there who complain that their husband looks elsewhere for sex, when he is not getting it from his marriage. I'm not saying that the man is right to cheat on a wife who won't sleep with him anymore, but the woman in those situations is also wrong.

Yes, no?

 

[leelee]

obviously my mother is going to try not to get pregnant. it is unlikely anyway however in the unlikely event that she did she would have an abortion. My cousin happens to have a blood disorder that runs in my family. I am one of the few who does not have it. Unfortunately she is the one with the worst symptoms. She has already lost one child because of it and nearly lost her own life twice through bleeding in the birth. She now has two children and if she fell pregnant would have an abortion because the children she already has need their mum. She can;t leave a 7 and 3 year old with no parents.

 

[dan1el]

Dear me, I hope I have emotional attachment before I get married. However on this topic....I sometimes worry that young christians (and older ones) rush into marriage for sex. I dont think thats healthy. I beleive sex outwith a loving relationship is wrong.
And as for abortion...I would never personally have one but I am pro choice. I think that 24 weeks is too high and I also think that if a baby is truely unwanted it is better to return it to Gods hands than to condem it to a life where it is undervalued by its family.

Send it back to God's Hands by killing a human -- which would send your own soul to hell? Do you NOT love yourself, then, by that logic?

 

[dan1el]

obviously my mother is going to try not to get pregnant. it is unlikely anyway however in the unlikely event that she did she would have an abortion. My cousin happens to have a blood disorder that runs in my family. I am one of the few who does not have it. Unfortunately she is the one with the worst symptoms. She has already lost one child because of it and nearly lost her own life twice through bleeding in the birth. She now has two children and if she fell pregnant would have an abortion because the children she already has need their mum. She can;t leave a 7 and 3 year old with no parents.

You said this was a scenario -- is it hypothetical, or not?

 

[leelee]

No my mother did have surgery. And my cousin does have a blood disorder. It is hypothetical in that neither are pregnant.

 

[Maddog]

I think a woman should have the right to get rid of part of the person who raped her.

You mean cut his tackle off?

 

[leelee]

You mean cut his tackle off?

lol, well if you are asking my opinion on how they should be punished....

 

[MissCris]

You mean cut his tackle off?

That would make more sense than killing a child who had nothing to do with the rape.

 

[leelee]

As for adoption. Imagine growing up, finding your birth mummy and asking mummy why did you put me up for adoption...oh your father was a rapist.

 

[MissCris]

Still better than aborting. Imagine growing up, finding your birth mom and asking her why she put you up for adoption..."Your father was a rapist and it was either give you to someone who would love you or abort you so I wouldn't have to think about what happened to me".

 

[Possum]

As much as I'd like to put my thoughts and opinions here, I feel I would be shouted at. I don't see anything wrong with sex before marriage. It's a personal choice. I also have many reasons why sex doesn't really equate to love in my eyes. I don't regret not saving myself for marriage. I don't know of any part in a Christian wedding where the bride and groom are to say that they have remained pure. God knows our individual sins and we are already forgiven for them. He knows the mistakes we've made and the ones we are going to make. I think it's a personal choice, and I'd never disrespect anyone's beliefs, but I don't like mine being disrespected either.
I find it interesting how often 'God's Law' is quoted in regards to sex before marriage but so many other things are ignored. Is there anyone who, at some point, hasn't felt jealous of what others have? It's amazing how many Christians there are that will buy a pirated DVD, download films, kill an animal (as far as I am aware, you shall not kill didn't specify humans) but will be horrified that another Christian will have sex, or even sexual contact, before marriage.
God's Law changed quite a bit Old to New Testament. There isn't anything to prove that it hasn't changed over the last 2000 years. I prefer to follow Jesus as I feel I am being told to, rather than by following God's Law as written by man and translated many number of times. Yes, the basics of the bible are true. Jesus died on the cross for us. But the words that were said were not written down at the time and may well have been lost in translation.

On the abortion issue - I'm usually against it. But life isn't black and white. Someone said God's Law isn't grey, it's black and white. But that was before Jesus. When Jesus came, he made it grey. He forgave those who had sinned. People who stole and were other criminals were forgiven by Him. If it were to be black and white, then if you sinned, you'd be out of heaven. At the time the bible was written, things like contraception hadn't been invented.
I think it's wrong to use abortion as a form of contraception. I don't know where I am on the issue if the pregnancy was forced. Someone said the woman should carry the baby to term and then put it up for adoption. Sometimes I'd agree, and others I wouldn't. Of course the child hasn't done anything wrong, but she hasn't either. If the baby were to put her life in serious risk, well...it's a grey area. Or how about a nine year old girl who gets pregnant. Should she be expected to have a nine month pregnancy?

There are exceptions to rules. Almost everything is grey. So many people say "well if I were in that situation, I wouldn't get an abortion" but they don't know until they're in it.

I just wanted to state my opinion. I respect the beliefs of everyone here, and I won't tell you that you're wrong. You aren't. But I don't think I am either, so if you're going to shoot me down, please do it respectfully.


Rosi

 

[leelee]

Still better than aborting. Imagine growing up, finding your birth mom and asking her why she put you up for adoption..."Your father was a rapist and it was either give you to someone who would love you or abort you so I wouldn't have to think about what happened to me".

That not the reason for abortion and do you really think they can just not think about it?

 

[MissCris]

In that situation, yes, it would be a PART of the reason for an abortion. If a woman is raped and gets pregnant from it and makes the decision to have the baby and give it up for adoption, don't you think that the pregnancy would be a daily reminder of the horrible thing that happened to her? Of course it would. If the baby was aborted, the woman would of course still think about the rape, but would not have a 9-month long reminder of it growing inside her.

Anyway, what I was trying to say is, when a person who is adopted goes looking for their birth mother in order to ask questions, if the birth mother is completely honest with them, it's got to be a painful situation for the child no matter what the reasoning was.

Getting back to what this thread is actually about- sex and marriage- if sex were to STAY WITHIN A MARRIAGE ONLY, the whole point about being raped and having an abortion and all that would be totally moot anyway. Sex is SUPPOSED to be inside marriage only. People aren't SUPPOSED to get raped, or get pregnant from a one-night stand, or by a boyfriend of 3 weeks, or anything like that. Women aren't SUPPOSED to have REASONS to have abortions. But humans are imperfect, things happen, and that's why God sent his Son to die for us.

 

[dan1el]

No my mother did have surgery. And my cousin does have a blood disorder. It is hypothetical in that neither are pregnant.

In my belief, both cases would call for intense prayer and brokenness -- not abortion: we need His grace for this life, for the very FACT that it is such a bumpy ride; not because it is a bed of roses (which it is not).

That being said, if you were to die tonight (God-forbid), do you know where you would be going -- heaven? Hell? Do you believe in either? Have you ever asked the Lord Jesus to forgive you for your sins, and come into your heart?

We need the Lord Jesus like the desert needs water; without Him, we are like that desert, utterly void of that water of life... burning hot... longing for and searching for something to meet that need of the heart and soul for that proverbial "water" -- needs that only God can meet; through Christ.

We're selfishly ambitious, proud, committing immorality, etc., etc. -- trying to meet that need that only Jesus can fulfill ! Life itself teaches us that these things do are wrong; but, the only escape is through receiving the Savior appointed by God -- Jesus. Only if we receive His Truth and Spirit do we escape this corruption that is in the world through lust -- that thing that makes us disgusted; such as when a rapist rapes a woman. Are we any better when we are liars against God's Truth, thieves of God's glory, murderers of our fellow humans by keeping them cut off from the Life of God; idolaters? No; we exhibit the same attributes -- we are abominable to God, and we hurt His Heart very much.

We need to repent, and let the blood of Jesus cover our sins, so the wrath of God does not fall on us. Those who receive Christ obtain joy everlasting

 

[leelee]

In my belief, both cases would call for intense prayer and brokenness -- not abortion: we need His grace for this life, for the very FACT that it is such a bumpy ride; not because it is a bed of roses (which it is not).

That being said, if you were to die tonight (God-forbid), do you know where you would be going -- heaven? Hell? Do you believe in either? Have you ever asked the Lord Jesus to forgive you for your sins, and come into your heart?

We need the Lord Jesus like the desert needs water; without Him, we are like that desert, utterly void of that water of life... burning hot... longing for and searching for something to meet that need of the heart and soul for that proverbial "water" -- needs that only God can meet; through Christ.

We're selfishly ambitious, proud, committing immorality, etc., etc. -- trying to meet that need that only Jesus can fulfill ! Life itself teaches us that these things do are wrong; but, the only escape is through receiving the Savior appointed by God -- Jesus. Only if we receive His Truth and Spirit do we escape this corruption that is in the world through lust -- that thing that makes us disgusted; such as when a rapist rapes a woman. Are we any better when we are liars against God's Truth, thieves of God's glory, murderers of our fellow humans by keeping them cut off from the Life of God; idolaters? No; we exhibit the same attributes -- we are abominable to God, and we hurt His Heart very much.

We need to repent, and let the blood of Jesus cover our sins, so the wrath of God does not fall on us. Those who receive Christ obtain joy everlasting

Yeh. I know exactly where I'd be. I wonder if you do considering you asked the question. Or do you think I can't have committed my life to Christ just because I actually have thoughts and opinions that differ from the general opinion? God did give us free will and the power to invent and think. I am using the things he gave me. Who can stand in judgement of me for this (would be very unchristian)?

 

[dan1el]

Yeh. I know exactly where I'd be. I wonder if you do considering you asked the question. Or do you think I can't have committed my life to Christ just because I actually have thoughts and opinions that differ from the general opinion? God did give us free will and the power to invent and think. I am using the things he gave me. Who can stand in judgement of me for this (would be very unchristian)?

Hey Leelee,
Thanks for your reply; we are to be instructed in living by the Father -- I pray He leads you into all understanding, as He is very able to do. I trust Him.

 

[Christianrkchk89]

In that situation, yes, it would be a PART of the reason for an abortion. If a woman is raped and gets pregnant from it and makes the decision to have the baby and give it up for adoption, don't you think that the pregnancy would be a daily reminder of the horrible thing that happened to her? Of course it would. If the baby was aborted, the woman would of course still think about the rape, but would not have a 9-month long reminder of it growing inside her.

Anyway, what I was trying to say is, when a person who is adopted goes looking for their birth mother in order to ask questions, if the birth mother is completely honest with them, it's got to be a painful situation for the child no matter what the reasoning was.

Getting back to what this thread is actually about- sex and marriage- if sex were to STAY WITHIN A MARRIAGE ONLY, the whole point about being raped and having an abortion and all that would be totally moot anyway. Sex is SUPPOSED to be inside marriage only. People aren't SUPPOSED to get raped, or get pregnant from a one-night stand, or by a boyfriend of 3 weeks, or anything like that. Women aren't SUPPOSED to have REASONS to have abortions. But humans are imperfect, things happen, and that's why God sent his Son to die for us.

I just wanted to add to bounce off or add to what you said here.. We've been talking about abortion here as though it's a quick fix and as though it has no consequences. But the way I see it.. If the raped person aborted the baby.. Sure, the won't have that 9 month reminder that she was raped.. But instead! She'd always have to live with the flashbacks and the mental issues that come with that sexual abuse AND the guilt of killing her own child. If she puts it up for adoption (open or not) there is a chance she'll get to see that child and eventually apologize and maybe have a relationship with her offspring. If she aborts it.. She will NEVER EVER get to have that chance.