Abortion

[jamie26301]

Sadly your post is true, people want to adopt babies, before they are mentally "damaged"..

and then we've got all these americans going to russian and other places to adopt babies...we have children here who need homes..

Yeah To me, a child is a child - no matter the age, they ALL deserve homes.

[Steve4U]

In my homeland (New Zealand), the number of 'parents' waiting far outweighs the number of babies available, or children of any age. There are No orphan homes now, they've all closed down since the law change allowing abortion.

As someone who got his girlfriend pregnant at age 21 and put aside my self-orientated plans, I am so grateful for what happened, looking back.

[Brandon777]

good points

steve 4u: what exactly did happen?

[leelee]

is there any reason why we have 2 almost identical thread on the go? my opinion in this is the same as in the other one.

[Steve4U]

I think you mean what happened in my life (not the change in children available for adoption.)

Before I was a Christian, I decided to break up with my girlfriend who I had been with for 4 years, but I didn't have the guts and character to stick it out.

She knew what was going on really and she moved to Australia. She was living with some friends of mine and I drifted over there four or five months later, but I was thinking I would clear up the relationship and move on. Well, she was so nice and it was all so much fun there I stayed. Then she got pregnant. She was nearly 20 and I was 21.

I immediately said we'll move back to New Zealand so we could be with our parents. I think I had $400 after selling my car and buying a plane ticket(classic unready situation). It began to dawn on me what we faced and good-bye to everything I was going to do and going to be. So we had this conversation:

"Have you ever thought about abortion?"

"No"

"So what do you want to do with your life?"

"I want to have this baby? ...What do you want to do?"

"I don't think I'm ready for it."

"Well I don't want an abortion. # What do you want to do?"

"We must do the most loving thing."

"Well the most loving thing will never be abortion."

"Okay"

We returned to our home country.

I wanted to give my parents a choice of accepting us or not. So I wanted to wait until I could move out before I told them.

It took about 8 weeks to get myself together, which was probably the worst time of it all, and by the time I left I couldn't wait another day to tell them and told them right then. Not good.

I did propose marriage, although in those days many girls were turing down proposals 'cause it was the new revolution (1977). We were not the right couple anyway, so I'm glad we didn't marry. (Two wrongs don't make a right.)

We lived together although I don't think we had sex. We rented, and, when baby was walking, we moved and had flatmates. I never told her I was actually leaving her when she had told me she was pregnant. I had actually organised a room in another flat, but put all those plans on hold.

But the relationship couldn't last or wouldn't last and I moved to a flat 10 houses away when my son was about 18 months.

He was with me one evening a week, all weekend from Friday night to Sunday night and when I was needed. From 5 years he was with me Friday night to Sunday night -- every weekend ' til he was 18 and I was coming to collect him and he wasn't there 'cause he was out partying or something.

I didn't have any relationships exept a few stupid ignorant flings during my son's growing up (God forgive me.). I didn't think it was fair on him.

I became a Christian when he was 10 years old. I have repented of all I have done.

Today my son Matthew is the greatest guy anyone could meet: He's generous, he's intelligent and funny. ( He's self-employed in areas of music promotion, reproduction, website design, street posters, DJ work etc.) We get on so well, and honest.

His mother became a university lecturer in anthropology. She has had another child. After she inherited some money, she retired.

[FrankensteinGirls]

is there any reason why we have 2 almost identical thread on the go? my opinion in this is the same as in the other one.

There is always more than one topic on this it seems

[leelee]

There is always more than one topic on this it seems

And yet literally nothing new is ever said. These are not discussions really, it is certain people standing judging others for making a choice.


James 4:11-12

Do not speak evil against one another, brothers. The one who speaks against a brother or judges his brother, speaks evil against the law and judges the law. But if you judge the law, you are not a doer of the law but a judge. There is only one lawgiver and judge, he who is able to save and to destroy. But who are you to judge your neighbor?

[jamie26301]

I think you mean what happened in my life (not the change in children available for adoption.)

Before I was a Christian, I decided to break up with my girlfriend who I had been with for 4 years, but I didn't have the guts and character to stick it out.

...

Today my son Matthew is the greatest guy anyone could meet: He's generous, he's intelligent and funny. ( He's self-employed in areas of music promotion, reproduction, website design, street posters, DJ work etc.) We get on so well, and honest.

His mother became a university lecturer in anthropology. She has had another child. After she inherited some money, she retired.

When I was like 18, almost 19, I had sex for the first time. I wasn't on birth control, but it was only one time, then he went back to Ohio (long distance relationship.) Well, before he came by again, I made sure I was on birth control, and we had sex a few times in Febuary, then the summer of that year. He broke up with me. That was 2004.

The next time I had sex was December of last year, and then a few of the following months, but I was on birth control to help control my adult acne.

Neither time did I get pregnant, and I'm glad I didn't, because I'm not ready for a baby. But I really don't know what I would have done. Both partners said if I got pregnant they wanted to keep the baby, but I don't want babies yet; I would have given the child up for adoption, because I feel a conviction that abortion is wrong.

Although this second time I would have been more likely to abort, simply because in later months I've been on the fence about it, partly because of the issue I brought up eariler in the thread about people not adopting children that needs homes - why bring another child into the world that will just grow up in foster care, drifting from home to home? The problem is already way out of control.

But after reading up on abortion more, and hearing the views on this site, I have come to the conclusion that it's wrong, but I wouldn't point fingers at others. I believe it's a personal conviction. I wouldn't tell a mother who aborted that she just murdered somebody. I don't think that's very sensitive, given all the innocent beliefs that the baby is part of the woman, etc. I would just tell her some people think it's murder and I would tell her why, but that she can make up her own mind. If it's truly wrong and she has the Holy Spirit, the Spirit will do the convicting. As for unbelievers, we don't need to be telling them they are wrong because the Bible tells us not to judge the world.

[jamie26301]

And yet literally nothing new is ever said. These are not discussions really, it is certain people standing judging others for making a choice.

It's sad that Christians can't be mature amonst themselves concerning these issues.

is there any reason why we have 2 almost identical thread on the go? my opinion in this is the same as in the other one.

Can you cut and paste it here? Or give me a link?

[leelee]

It's sad that Christians can't be mature amonst themselves concerning these issues.



Can you cut and paste it here? Or give me a link?

To the other thread or to my opinion? the other thread is here.....Aborting?

[jamie26301]

To the other thread or to my opinion? the other thread is here.....Aborting?

The other thread on abortion...I can look that up. But can you at least tell me what number post it is, because I don't want to sift through all those pages

[leelee]

i am sorry but i am confused, my opinion on abortion is pro-choice. thats pretty much what I said there.

[jamie26301]

i am sorry but i am confused, my opinion on abortion is pro-choice. thats pretty much what I said there.

Oh, I want to hear more! I'll see if I can find that thread.

Edit: I can't find the abortion thread on the first few pages of the forum.

[leelee]

Oh, I want to hear more! I'll see if I can find that thread.

Edit: I can't find the abortion thread on the first few pages of the forum.

just click the word on the end of my post, its a link

[jamie26301]

just click the word on the end of my post, its a link

I don't see the word ???

[leelee]

I don't see the word ???

on the end of the post that ii replied asking if you wanted the thread or my opinion. the word aborting? is there click it.

[Siberian_Khatru]

Suggestion time for the mods: set up hot linking to appear in blue, as with traditional urls.

[Steve4U]

I think my story tells how things can work out, no regrets; and I was saved from instigating an abortion.

I am further grateful for the fact it is the most cold-blooded murder I can imagine.

It may not suit you to have a child at that time, you may not have the money or the right relationship (that was me), you may not have the security you require or the love (that was her), but far better to adopt even than to marr and disgrace your life with such blood.

Do you think women have an abortion and it all just goes away? It does not!

Society is at fault, and Christians are generally included, in that we do not pour generous unconditional love and support on mothers with unwanted pregnancies. This needs to change.

But that in no way justifies what then turns to thinking.

Frankly, I think it is insane.

[jamie26301]

Suggestion time for the mods: set up hot linking to appear in blue, as with traditional urls.

It's ok, I found it. I think that most Christian Chatters are courteous enough to let you know there is a link in their post. I just didn't realize leelee had a link in her post.

[FrankensteinGirls]

And yet literally nothing new is ever said. These are not discussions really, it is certain people standing judging others for making a choice.


James 4:11-12

Do not speak evil against one another, brothers. The one who speaks against a brother or judges his brother, speaks evil against the law and judges the law. But if you judge the law, you are not a doer of the law but a judge. There is only one lawgiver and judge, he who is able to save and to destroy. But who are you to judge your neighbor?

True, very true, I've often found in forums people post questions asking for others opinions but not actually wanting to hear opinions differing from theirs