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T_Laurich

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(Didn't relize i would type so much so my question is at the bottom. Read the story if you wish but it might not all be relevant. The questions will be under a line of ~~~~~~~~~~~~. I also appoligize before hand of any malapropism's grammar mistakes or more importantly Biblical errors.)


So I am not new to the whole Christian religion. I was Mormon and then Baptist when I was a child. Both believing in Christ and both have IMO very good communities tied with them. Or at least the churches I went to did.

I was religious until I would say the age of 12-13 I used to pray daily and was very happy in the Lord. And extremely close to him, my mother used to pride me on my faith. Then middle school hit and it became very apparent very quickly that God was not condoned in school. Yes, in the pledge we use his name and we had groups such as FCA (Fellowship of Christian Athletes). But, the children made you feel at a unease kind of state. All of the jokes started becoming sexual and the atmosphere changed.

~Now I am not going to blame everything on others and use them as an escape goat. For, I know it made the temptation taste sweeter, but it was I who took the bite.

So as I drifted from God I slowly became one of those teenagers who were atheist's. Running around asking everyone if they believed in God then I would shove 'facts' in their face about the bible says this then this and this isn't true and blah blah blah (excuse the blahs :p) . Then ironic enough, I would complain about religious people always preaching the word of God. When I found myself preaching the word of death far more often. Now I considered myself a man of 'science' and 'truth' and would say things such as. "If there is a God let him kill me now!" Not knowing I was killing myself.

So as time went on God became less of a Abba and more a Father. (Reference I am using comes from the new testament were they say God should not be feared but loved, Not a strict God you fear and call Father as a title but a loving God you call *pappa* *daddy* a loving title.) Then He became less of a Father and more of a Thought, then to a idea, and then just an others hope before they die. By the time High School hit I found myself being a very strong atheist. Able to strike down any-ones comments on God. Yet, peculiar enough I found my best friends were Christians. Now I was and still am a 'nerd' so my friends are no fool's - they are beyond intelligent. And, being one who loved to detour people from their faith I used to debate with my friends on a Daily basis about God. How they found strength to be my friend I will never know. But, what I found was they never got mad or angry which I always loved when I argued with religious people. They listened and then they would start to tell me, "your mistaken" or "you cant take a passage out of context [God] was actually saying this/talking to these people". And I would retort "how naive" when I haven't read the Bible in years. Just took 'sayings' from the internet.

~Sorry for not using brevity but I like to ramble in my writing and give depth (a back story)

So about 1-2 months ago I as a joke took a piece of paper and wrote on it and I quote "I hereby [name] give my sole to the devil" then took a razor blade and slit my thumb. As I watched the blood drip I laughed demonically and thought to myself this would prove to the child in me that god doesn't exist. Take in note i was outside in the dead of night when I did this. Like wise I live in a very remote area. The second my blood touched the paper peculiar enough I felt nothing. Not like Haha this did nothing. But I felt the emotion of NOTHING. I felt cold yet felt no longer alive at the same time. As the wind picked up my heart raced and I ran back inside. A few weeks went bye and I felt normal if the whole thing never happened. So I thought Haha that showed me this is bogus.

******* Exactly at this point in typing this topic I believe god answered my questions but still I would like a person who is closer then I am to God to answer my questions. (For I know I'm not his perfect child, and I know I't not even worthy of his word.)

Well that takes me to about a week ago. A month has passed and I have been feeling normal, then one night. (I used to stay up late because it was easier to do the things I like at night). As I was in my room all of a sudden I felt the nothingness again and then was Engulfed by this nothingness. I was scared beyond belief and the pain was beyond physical and yet so real. As all these emotions grew I wanted to cry but I couldn't. I don't know if I was in shock or too much pain. But, as these feelings grew stronger and became more real then reality itself I saw a face wrapped in a bandage and it spoke to me. It wasn't like a man talking to another. He did not use words... Instead he used emotion and the second he was done talking. I felt a rush of love and peace. It was like a drop of water on your skin while being burned alive. But, yet so very satisfying - then the pain continued and after a while it dissipated. I told myself I am going to my teacher tomorrow and asking him if he could give me some advice. I knew my teacher was a man of God and he was the only person I could think of for hours.

So I went to my teacher and he talked with me and he understood I have never been one to acknowledge god or un'worldly' things. But, he was patient as I told piece's of my story for I was in so much remorse and after shock I couldn't keep my train of thought. He told me he thinks God spoke to me and showed me a glimpse of what hell is like. As I kept saying over and over in tears, "[Name] But this was so much more painful then you know, I would rather burn to death before another night like this". He told me that he thinks I should pray to God, and that he will not pressure me into this for I have to do it out of my love. As I said but I don't know what to do. He told me if I would like, he would pray with me . So I said "Okay, but how do I pray". (I have not known God for years, it seemed as foreign as another language.) He said its like talking to a friend. So we prayed and my tears began to roll down my cheeks in feeling if this makes any sense. I began to cry out of happiness not pain.

The next day he gave me a 'New Believer's Bible' of the New Testament. Very nice book if I do say so myself. In the front it tells me where to find passages about faith, love, God, the devil, and everything in between. To be honest I can't seem to put the thing down. I ditched school to read it, I nearly starve myself because I always want to read one more chapter. I find myself no longer wanting to party, drink, or smoke (anything) just wanting to read this book more and more.

Now here come to the part were I am lost.

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I have asked Jesus into my heart have felt the Holy Spirit and have spoken with God as child might speak to his Father. But I feel like I am beyond unworthy of this love and privilege of 'life'. When I feel these thoughts I begin to feel that pain over and over again. Never as strong but still enough to bring me to tears. ( Note I have been in a 70 mph car crash, not a tear. Broken multiple bones and the only time I have cried was when I was a child.) Yet, this pain brings me to so many tears just thinking about it makes my eyes begin to water. Am I going insane I seriously think there is a demon inside of me. I have heard voices that are not good and emotions that were worse then the hate from these voices. I have asked Jesus to drive these things away and they no longer reside in my heart. But I still feel them inside of me. Am I going insane and causing these voice's or are they real.

Also, I have done things such as sell my sole to the devil and sexual act's w/out marriage (not sex I am still a virgin). Is it still feasible for me to get into heaven if I live the life style depicted in the Bible? Or am I already lost since I did learn about these things before I committed the sin?

The more I think about this the more unworthy I feel to God. The more unworthy I feel to have that pain that is so minuscule compared to my sins. Please help. I am lost
 
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(Didn't relize i would type so much so my question is at the bottom. Read the story if you wish but it might not all be relevant. The questions will be under a line of ~~~~~~~~~~~~. I also appoligize before hand of any malapropism's grammar mistakes or more importantly Biblical errors.)


So I am not new to the whole Christian religion. I was Mormon and then Baptist when I was a child. Both believing in Christ and both have IMO very good communities tied with them. Or at least the churches I went to did.

I was religious until I would say the age of 12-13 I used to pray daily and was very happy in the Lord. And extremely close to him, my mother used to pride me on my faith. Then middle school hit and it became very apparent very quickly that God was not condoned in school. Yes, in the pledge we use his name and we had groups such as FCA (Fellowship of Christian Athletes). But, the children made you feel at a unease kind of state. All of the jokes started becoming sexual and the atmosphere changed.

~Now I am not going to blame everything on others and use them as an escape goat. For, I know it made the temptation taste sweeter, but it was I who took the bite.

So as I drifted from God I slowly became one of those teenagers who were atheist's. Running around asking everyone if they believed in God then I would shove 'facts' in their face about the bible says this then this and this isn't true and blah blah blah (excuse the blahs :p) . Then ironic enough, I would complain about religious people always preaching the word of God. When I found myself preaching the word of death far more often. Now I considered myself a man of 'science' and 'truth' and would say things such as. "If there is a God let him kill me now!" Not knowing I was killing myself.

So as time went on God became less of a Abba and more a Father. (Reference I am using comes from the new testament were they say God should not be feared but loved, Not a strict God you fear and call Father as a title but a loving God you call *pappa* *daddy* a loving title.) Then He became less of a Father and more of a Thought, then to a idea, and then just an others hope before they die. By the time High School hit I found myself being a very strong atheist. Able to strike down any-ones comments on God. Yet, peculiar enough I found my best friends were Christians. Now I was and still am a 'nerd' so my friends are no fool's - they are beyond intelligent. And, being one who loved to detour people from their faith I used to debate with my friends on a Daily basis about God. How they found strength to be my friend I will never know. But, what I found was they never got mad or angry which I always loved when I argued with religious people. They listened and then they would start to tell me, "your mistaken" or "you cant take a passage out of context [God] was actually saying this/talking to these people". And I would retort "how naive" when I haven't read the Bible in years. Just took 'sayings' from the internet.

~Sorry for not using brevity but I like to ramble in my writing and give depth (a back story)

So about 3 months ago I as a joke took a piece of paper and wrote on it and I quote "I hereby [name] give my sole to the devil" then took a razor blade and slit my thumb. As I watched the blood drip I laughed demonically and thought to myself this would prove to the child in me that god doesn't exist. Take in note i was outside in the dead of night when I did this. Like wise I live in a very remote area. The second my blood touched the paper peculiar enough I felt nothing. Not like Haha this did nothing. But I felt the emotion of NOTHING. I felt cold yet felt no longer alive at the same time. As the wind picked up my heart raced and I ran back inside. A few weeks went bye and I felt normal if the whole thing never happened. So I thought Haha that showed me this is bogus.

******* Exactly at this point in typing this topic I believe god answered my questions but still I would like a person who is closer then I am to God to answer my questions. (For I know I'm not his perfect child, and I know I't not even worthy of his word.)

Well that takes me to about a week ago. A month has passed and I have been feeling normal, then one night. (I used to stay up late because it was easier to do the things I like at night). As I was in my room all of a sudden I felt the nothingness again and then was Engulfed by this nothingness. I was scared beyond belief and the pain was beyond physical and yet so real. As all these emotions grew I wanted to cry but I couldn't. I don't know if I was in shock or too much pain. But, as these feelings grew stronger and became more real then reality itself I saw a face wrapped in a bandage and it spoke to me. It wasn't like a man talking to another. He did not use words... Instead he used emotion and the second he was done talking. I felt a rush of love and peace. It was like a drop of water on your skin while being burned alive. But, yet so very satisfying - then the pain continued and after a while it dissipated. I told myself I am going to my teacher tomorrow and asking him if he could give me some advice. I knew my teacher was a man of God and he was the only person I could think of for hours.

So I went to my teacher and he talked with me and he understood I have never been one to acknowledge god or un'worldly' things. But, he was patient as I told piece's of my story for I was in so much remorse and after shock I couldn't keep my train of thought. He told me he thinks God spoke to me and showed me a glimpse of what hell is like. As I kept saying over and over in tears, "[Name] But this was so much more painful then you know, I would rather burn to death before another night like this". He told me that he thinks I should pray to God, and that he will not pressure me into this for I have to do it out of my love. As I said but I don't know what to do. He told me if I would like, he would pray with me . So I said "Okay, but how do I pray". (I have not known God for years, it seemed as foreign as another language.) He said its like talking to a friend. So we prayed and my tears began to roll down my cheeks in feeling if this makes any sense. I began to cry out of happiness not pain.

The next day he gave me a 'New Believer's Bible' of the New Testament. Very nice book if I do say so myself. In the front it tells me where to find passages about faith, love, God, the devil, and everything in between. To be honest I can't seem to put the thing down. I ditched school to read it, I nearly starve myself because I always want to read one more chapter. I find myself no longer wanting to party, drink, or smoke (anything) just wanting to read this book more and more.

Now here come to the part were I am lost.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

I have asked Jesus into my heart have felt the Holy Spirit and have spoken with God as child might speak to his Father. But I feel like I am beyond unworthy of this love and privilege of 'life'. When I feel these thoughts I begin to feel that pain over and over again. Never as strong but still enough to bring me to tears. ( Note I have been in a 70 mph car crash, not a tear. Broken multiple bones and the only time I have cried was when I was a child.) Yet, this pain brings me to so many tears just thinking about it makes my eyes begin to water. Am I going insane I seriously think there is a demon inside of me. I have heard voices that are not good and emotions that were worse then the hate from these voices. I have asked Jesus to drive these things away and they no longer reside in my heart. But I still feel them inside of me. Am I going insane and causing these voice's or are they real.

Also, I have done things such as sell my sole to the devil and sexual act's w/out marriage (not sex I am still a virgin). Is it still feasible for me to get into heaven if I live the life style depicted in the Bible? Or am I already lost since I did learn about these things before I committed the sin?

The more I think about this the more unworthy I feel to God. The more unworthy I feel to have that pain that is so minuscule compared to my sins. Please help. I am lost
God is asking you t one thing first to come into a right relationship with Him:

A Call to Repentance

[SUP]Joel,2-12 [/SUP]“Now, therefore,” says the Lord,
“Turn to Me with all your heart,
With fasting, with weeping, and with mourning.”
[SUP]13 [/SUP]So rend your heart, and not your garments;
Return to the Lord your God,
For He is gracious and merciful,
Slow to anger, and of great kindness;
And He relents from doing harm.
[SUP]14 [/SUP]Who knows if He will turn and relent,
And leave a blessing behind Him—

Here is more strong proof what the lord requires of His creation to be reconciled to Himself, it’s very simple but made so complicated by the heaps and heaps of pastors and ministries who have the nerve to say mankind does NOT have to repent to be saved.
They come with a simple plan that was concocted by many reformed preachers and bible scholars, making the way to the cross more of a simple confession you are a sinner, then accepting the great substitution Jesus miraculously made for them, but they fail to give any proof that the word of God let alone the King of Kings taught this non sense!
Many will fight with all they have to preserve their man made doctrines including original sin, which then gives them many excuses to ignore the powerful verse above as well as many more strong warnings to repent, turn, come broken in heart before the mercy seat, and hope and pray God will grant pardon!
Now if this was being preached in the church system today, and well understood by the saved in sin defenders, then the mess Christianity is in today would not be so, instead, the word of God would become real, and powerful, converting the lost soul, once in love with sin, rebellion and the world, now cleansed and purged of all filthiness, and wickedness, ready to receive the implanted word of God!
But today these verses are totally ignored, and replaced with a sin message, undermined by many, many, reformed errors, where simple repentance is lost in a sea of original sin, imputation, substitution, OSAS etc, producing a church that was called poor, blind and naked by Jesus Himself!
[SUP]2 Corinthians 6;17 [/SUP]The.refore
“Come out from among them
And be separate, says the Lord.
Do not touch what is unclean,
And I will receive you.”[SUP][[/SUP]
[SUP]d[/SUP][SUP]][/SUP]
[SUP]18 [/SUP]“I will be a Father to you,
And you shall be My sons and daughters,
Says the Lord Almighty.”[SUP][[/SUP]
[SUP]e[/SUP][SUP]][/SUP]
Act 26:20 But to those first in Damascus, and Jerusalem, and to all the country of Judea, and to the nations, I made known the command to repent and to turn to God, doing works worthy of repentance.
Tommy
PS. We must come to Jesus on His terms, not mans, I know many are taught the opposite today, they either were indoctrinated into these teachings at an early age, and refuse to even search the scriptures, search what the early church taught, or dig deep to see just how far off the mark many liberal translations of the Bible are.
When the reformation came about, around the year 1500, many denominations were formed that took these errors and built on them, leading to what we have today! Many will profess anything different from what their beloved denominations teach is heresy, and a lie, especially those who cling to Calvinism, or any form of it.
This I understand, and accept, as God predicted this would happen, when the few remnant come with the truth. But it’s a bitter pill to swallow, when you see so many sincere people, young and old, so angry and upset when the truth is presented to them, and they attack the messenger.
To me this shows just how far off the mark they are in their minds, they love the lie, refuse to hear anything else except the born sinner, Jesus sub plan, made so famous by the likes of Billy Graham, Ed Young, and many more mega preachers, selling a gospel that is totally backwards from what the early church and Christ taught.
Are we full of pride and arrogant to say these things? Are we evil, uncaring, and full of hate when we confront the wall of deception accepted as truth today?
I guess I can also say this about the many who cling to the saved IN sin message, repeat after me crowd, who has every excuse why they can sin with impunity, then just confess, and then continue as a vile sinner in heart, where purity and separation is a pipe dream never to be accomplished in this life, even though the whole council of God is against them.
Dig deep as commanded, have some confidence in the Lord to lead you into truth, not some ministry or church pastor you support, who clings to these errors for whatever reason.
The gospel according to godliness is a TO DO gospel, which can only be received and understood in its form and context when the sinner wakes up and does this:
James 1-21-22;
[SUP]21 [/SUP]So get rid of all uncleanness(repent) and the rampant outgrowth of wickedness, and in a humble (gentle, modest) spirit receive and welcome the Word which implanted and rooted [in your hearts] contains the power to save your souls.
[SUP]22 [/SUP]But be doers of the Word [obey the message], and not merely listeners to it, betraying yourselves [into deception by reasoning contrary to the Truth].!
1, You repent first and foremost, see 2 Corinthians 7-10-11.
2, Then if the repentance is real, and from the heart, godly sorrow as described in 2 Corinthians, you then can receive the implanted word of God, and understand it as written by God.
3, Now you become a passionate doer of the word, obeying God from your heart, cleansed and purified, broken and willing to learn and grow more, and more in His great truth.
 

T_Laurich

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Thank you Timothy I believe I did two thing incorrectly, I didn't tell you the man I saw. The teacher, is a man who believes in the Bible as you depicted. I can't put into words how good i believe this mans heart is. But don't take me for a fool I do not worship him and expect him to bring me into the light. And for him to save me or for there to be a quick fix and I can go back to my sinful ways. And vice-versa. One of the first things i told him was can you baptize me and cleanse me. Then he said, that I was mislead that the only way to heaven is through Jesus. That only through love, perseverance, faith, and talking the walk will i get what I desire.

I'm in for the long haul.

And I don't mean to short sell your reply. I got more then I could have asked for. Thank you for helping me. I can't express how much I love this community of Christians I am stumbling upon through this experience.
 
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psychomom

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Little one.....♥ You break my momma heart!
There is no one who is worthy of salvation. :)

Romans 3 records this for us, see verses 10-19.
But there is Good News! (v. 21-26)

You know what, dear one? Take out that New Testament and just have a look at Romans.
See how God uses Paul's great legal mind to make a case for justification by faith in the shed blood of Christ alone.
I love that book...it's God's treatise on grace.
John 1:17 says "For the law was given through Moses, grace and truth were realized through Jesus Christ."
That's an amazing statement!

Do be careful with the Mormon tradition. It's a false gospel that follows a false Jesus. :(
(it's lies...)

2 Corinthians 5:17

Therefore if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creature; the old things passed away; behold, new things have come.

Please, keep asking questions.
love,
ellie
 

T_Laurich

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Thank you, I just returned from palm sunday sermon at this church i have just discovered. The one were my teacher preaches. And this was my first time. I hadn't been to a church in years. But what was funny about this church is I was beyond worried i wouldn't fit in for my clothes are not the nicest and my shoes were scuffed and old. So I drove myself alone to the church and the whole way sad that I might not fit in due to the fact I don't own good enough clothes. When I showed up everyone was dressed casually no one was in high dollar suits or dresses that would loose half their value due to one wrinkle.At first i thought do they not take church seriously? And then as I passed through the front door everyone was talking like life long friends and treated me as such. Nearly everyone knew me by name before I shook their hand. When the sermon started if that's the correct word. It wasn't just reading from the bible and saying were Jesus was, it was the message of the story in greater depth then I ever imagined. It was jokes about washing feet and trials and lessons god has taught people such as pulling over for what they thought was a home-less man because God told them to find out it was a man broke down trying to get to his sons soccer game. And much more. And yet how all those are dirty rags compared to what Jesus did. Which I already knew yet still struck a giant cord in my heart. And what the Jews thought the prophecy meant and so much more. I was mainly in AWE about one thing tho. Everyone there said everything from the bottom of their heart. There was no, we are in church so I will be on my best behavior. It was more your a child of God as so am I. I wish I could explain the feeling that the church gave. But everything from the singing to the prayers to the preaching was genuine. I never knew church could be like that. I though it was strict hush hush let the highest man speak and you sit there because your unworthy. No this was like being at your best friends house. I don't know were I have heard this before but it just came to mind and seems appropriate.

I was lost but now I am found.
 
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spacefreak

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none of us are worthy for salvation that's where GOD'S grace comes in. the closer to GOD that you are to GOD the devil will tempt and remind you of your past and try to get you away from GOD. keep you eyes upon jesus and stay the course



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