Christianity and Clubbing?

[hattiebod]

Does this question even need to be asked? People only go to clubs for two reasons: to get drunk and to hook up.

So if you're a guy, you'll basically be surrounded by scantily clad women writhing around on the dance floor whose inhibitions have been lowered by alcohol. If you're a woman, men will assume you're there for only one reason and will aggressively pursue.

All of these things are pretty obvious. Clubs are basically dens of iniquity these days.

If you intentionally surround yourself with temptation, don't be surprised at the consequences.

I think it is totally possible to go to a club, enjoy the music, hang out with friends, have a great time and not get drunk. Many may drink too much....but that does not mean because you go it is obligatory! Many young people lead a healthy lifestyle. My daughter is a student journalist who is particularly interested in music and promoting music. She is building a good reputation in doing this. Does she go to a club to 'hook' up? no. She is in a relationship. She goes to listen, enjoy and appreciate the music and dance. Does her dancing involve writhing around drunk and half naked? No. We need to be more informed and less condemning...and realise that not all young people out there scantily clad and irresponsible drunk!! <><

 

[hattiebod]

Well, personally I've never touched alcohol nor would I ever date a girl who does drink (I do NOT distinguish between casual, social drinking and getting drunk. In my view, one drink is one drink too many), therefore you'll never see me within the four walls of a bar or a club where alcohol is served and consumed by the majority of people in there. More and more women these days enjoy an occasional 'harmless drink' and I find that so discouraging because I find nothing 'harmless' about drinking. I wish more people agreed with me on that.

It is your free choice of course, wether you choose to drink or not...but i wonder about the affect such a dogmatic and legalistic stance has.... there is a huge difference between drinking and drunkenness. The two do not necessarily go together. You say that your stance has caused you to be ostracised by some? which is sad and hard for you I am sure. I think it is possible to stand for what you believe in and not offend people. For a while in my walk I followed a quite a few 'rules' and thank fully i was shown through Gods Word, that I did not need to do this. Even though I was quite extreme at the time in my views, i did not lose friends...Maybe take a look at how you are expressing your beliefs, it is maybe not the beliefs that are the problem? Sometimes we can hide behind that....i know God has exposed this error to me in the past God Bless you. <><

 

[Loveneverfails]

I think it depends on the club and it's atmosphere and reputation. If its the stereotypical nightclub with a reputation for debauchery and hookups, I wouldn't set a foot in there. I believe that no matter how pure my intentions may be, I can't control how bad it APPEARS. I don't want unbelievers thinking, "wait, what? She goes to THAT club? I thought she was a Christian..." Sorta ruins my credibility. :/
Obviously, I'm sure there are exceptions. I just can't think of any good reason or any benefit that can come from me going to a club like that.


On the other hand, some clubs have a reputation for being pretty tame and harmless. I love latin ballroom and so I'm personally rather fond of a club nearby that has the laid-back atmosphere of a Mexican restaurant.. with a dance floor.

 

[Epicnerdheroix]

It is your free choice of course, wether you choose to drink or not...but i wonder about the affect such a dogmatic and legalistic stance has.... there is a huge difference between drinking and drunkenness. The two do not necessarily go together. You say that your stance has caused you to be ostracised by some? which is sad and hard for you I am sure. I think it is possible to stand for what you believe in and not offend people. For a while in my walk I followed a quite a few 'rules' and thank fully i was shown through Gods Word, that I did not need to do this. Even though I was quite extreme at the time in my views, i did not lose friends...Maybe take a look at how you are expressing your beliefs, it is maybe not the beliefs that are the problem? Sometimes we can hide behind that....i know God has exposed this error to me in the past God Bless you. <><

Thanks for your comments. I did lose friends over it but I have no regrets. As far as the way I expressed myself, I was very firm and stood up for my morals. Lastly, I'm generally against legalism, however I believe that these few very strict virtues I've always adhered to all my life are not only morally sound, but glorify God. Perhaps those who enjoy a drink here and there view me as an extremist. That's OK. They can have their opinion. They can live their life, while I'll live mine. Thanks again and God bless!

 

[JGPS]

Thanks for your comments. I did lose friends over it but I have no regrets. As far as the way I expressed myself, I was very firm and stood up for my morals. Lastly, I'm generally against legalism, however I believe that these few very strict virtues I've always adhered to all my life are not only morally sound, but glorify God. Perhaps those who enjoy a drink here and there view me as an extremist. That's OK. They can have their opinion. They can live their life, while I'll live mine. Thanks again and God bless!

Like most people I view you as someone who values their culture over scripture and reason. I don't view you as an extremest per se. I see you as being more like the person who wants homosexuality to be ok because they believe its ok. So they say it honours God to say its ok. And because they believe that before scripture or reason they'll brook no discussion about it.

Weather you're prohibiting that which is allowed or allowing that which is prohibited is no different, its still you're view first, then scripture and reason.

 

[GreekChristian777]

Epicnerdheroix... Of course you realize your stance against there being anything of value in alcohol is against the Bible (1 Timothy 5:23) "Do not drink water only. Use a little wine because of your stomach and because you are sick so often." Where we disagree with the Bible I'm sure you would agree, the Bible is always right and we are always wrong. There is also medical scientific evidence that this is true. A glass of wine a day is good for the body.

This cite Raise a glass! Wine's health benefits - TODAY Health - TODAY.com says that a glass of wine a day is also good for you. It improves ones heart and cholesterol.

But going to the club to listen to non christian music is bad. Much evidence that non-christian music actually sings for Satan. Check out youtube video "satanic influence behind the music industry." I have told many people about this. Many others have even watched it, and they still listen to the Satan worshiping non christian music. It is a sad world we live in, where Christians think it is ok to worship Satan. It won't be much longer. But what lies ahead for the future of our world is going to be the worst times of the planet. And a pre-tribulation rapture is highly unlikely as well. That idea will cause many Christians to lose their faith, if indeed it doesn't occur. But that is another argument altogether.

 

[hattiebod]

Epicnerdheroix... Of course you realize your stance against there being anything of value in alcohol is against the Bible (1 Timothy 5:23) "Do not drink water only. Use a little wine because of your stomach and because you are sick so often." Where we disagree with the Bible I'm sure you would agree, the Bible is always right and we are always wrong. There is also medical scientific evidence that this is true. A glass of wine a day is good for the body.

This cite Raise a glass! Wine's health benefits - TODAY Health - TODAY.com says that a glass of wine a day is also good for you. It improves ones heart and cholesterol.

But going to the club to listen to non christian music is bad. Much evidence that non-christian music actually sings for Satan. Check out youtube video "satanic influence behind the music industry." I have told many people about this. Many others have even watched it, and they still listen to the Satan worshiping non christian music. It is a sad world we live in, where Christians think it is ok to worship Satan. It won't be much longer. But what lies ahead for the future of our world is going to be the worst times of the planet. And a pre-tribulation rapture is highly unlikely as well. That idea will cause many Christians to lose their faith, if indeed it doesn't occur. But that is another argument altogether.

intreresting...music is such a wonderful gft and if i was to only listen to Christian music i believe i would miss out on much that is beautiful. Some so called 'Christian Music' can be a bit dodgy too I play and listen to music from many genres, its not the lable, its as you say, the content, lyrics etc. All things are available to us, not all things will be necessarily be good for us but when i read of such dogmatic prohibitiive views, i am concerned where it could lead. A form of 'Christian Sharia Law' ? are we to be Amish? we are to be in the world and in order to reach the lost, we need to engage in the world, with the knowledge we are safe and secure and need not fear. God Bless. <><

 

[Epicnerdheroix]

Like most people I view you as someone who values their culture over scripture and reason. I don't view you as an extremest per se. I see you as being more like the person who wants homosexuality to be ok because they believe its ok. So they say it honours God to say its ok. And because they believe that before scripture or reason they'll brook no discussion about it.

Weather you're prohibiting that which is allowed or allowing that which is prohibited is no different, its still you're view first, then scripture and reason.

Apologies in advance if this response is worded in a somewhat rude way: First of all you don't know my exact thoughts on homosexuality so please do not 'see me' as anything unless you know.
Secondly, I actually come from one of the top three most liberal cities in the world where premarital sex is the norm, drinking at bars is the most common way to socialize, there's a Catholic Church every 10 blocks (I know because I was raised as a Catholic), and people here believe in a 'generic, tolerant of other faiths type of God' if they believe in God at all, not necessarily one of Christian principles. I live a far more conservative lifestyle than typical New Yawkers (I try to live for my Lord more than the people here with a ME ME ME mindset) which means I don't participate in the activities mentioned above.
How many other 28 year olds do you know who instead of doing the 'normal' thing in society dedicate all their free time to caring for their ill grandmother and have raised their fatherless 6 year old cousin since he was born? So don't tell me that I 'value culture' over God. If I did, I wouldn't be the person I am today. Quite the contrary, I'm trying to do that which glorifies God, not culture.
BTW, being an ex-Catholic I've read more scripture in the two years since I've gotten saved than in all the previous years I've been alive combined and every day I find a new piece of divine wisdom to apply to my life and share with others. This part of the discussion is over. God bless and have a nice Easter.

 

[Epicnerdheroix]

Epicnerdheroix... Of course you realize your stance against there being anything of value in alcohol is against the Bible (1 Timothy 5:23) "Do not drink water only. Use a little wine because of your stomach and because you are sick so often." Where we disagree with the Bible I'm sure you would agree, the Bible is always right and we are always wrong. There is also medical scientific evidence that this is true. A glass of wine a day is good for the body.

This cite Raise a glass! Wine's health benefits - TODAY Health - TODAY.com says that a glass of wine a day is also good for you. It improves ones heart and cholesterol.

You'd have a point if wine and alcohol were the ONLY forms of drink in the world with health benefits, but luckily God has provided us with lots of nutritious food and other things to drink and today I'm in the best shape of my life WITHOUT alcohol! Go figure!
As far as my stance being unbiblical: if on the day of judgment God punishes me because I never drank alcohol, let it be so. I'm trying to live my life in a way that makes God happy and if refusing to touch alcohol means I'm sinning, then God's punishment is just and I submit 100% to whatever the punishment is. If not drinking merits divine punishment, then I deserve to be punished. Have a nice Easter! God bless.

 

[JimJimmers]

Let not him that eateth despise him that eateth not; and let not him which eateth not judge him that eateth: for God hath received him.

I think this verse is pertinent at this time. I follow the verse 'be ye not drunk with wine, wherein is excess', and don't believe that drinking wine is wrong. But I see no reason for someone to start denouncing a brother over doing what he thinks is right.

JGPS, not to call you out, but I think your post was a little over the top. Have a blessed Easter, everyone.

 

[Katiebearman]

My friends used to drag me to clubs before I became a Christian. Honestly, all I gained from those days were headaches and regrets, I quickly found my time was best spent elsewhere!

 

[Daphy_D]

What I've always hated/loved abt the truth is its ability to slap u in da face nd leave u dumbfounded no matter hw hard u disagree...nd the ability to tear friendships/relationships apart

hornestly tho I do agree that clubbing is not such a good idea,but hey everyone has their own opinions

BUT...don't defend something cos u r doing it,especially if it does not help u grow spiritually...think abt it

God bless your beautiful souls

 

[JGPS]

Apologies in advance if this response is worded in a somewhat rude way: First of all you don't know my exact thoughts on homosexuality so please do not 'see me' as anything unless you know.

Seeing you in the same way as them means I view your error as the same as theirs. Your actual stance on the issue doesn't matter. Though I suppose it would be relevant if you held BOTH faulty stances...

Secondly, I actually come from one of the top three most liberal cities in the world where premarital sex is the norm, drinking at bars is the most common way to socialize, there's a Catholic Church every 10 blocks (I know because I was raised as a Catholic), and people here believe in a 'generic, tolerant of other faiths type of God' if they believe in God at all, not necessarily one of Christian principles.

Ones first culture is the culture of their family, not the culture of the wider area they live in. You asserted you hold this view because of your family, hence it is the view of your culture.

I live a far more conservative lifestyle than typical New Yawkers (I try to live for my Lord more than the people here with a ME ME ME mindset) which means I don't participate in the activities mentioned above.

Well good.

How many other 28 year olds do you know who instead of doing the 'normal' thing in society dedicate all their free time to caring for their ill grandmother and have raised their fatherless 6 year old cousin since he was born? So don't tell me that I 'value culture' over God. If I did, I wouldn't be the person I am today. Quite the contrary, I'm trying to do that which glorifies God, not culture.

Sounds like the right thing to be doing TBH. Good for you.

That does not make your alcohol stance any less of a cultural conviction.

BTW, being an ex-Catholic I've read more scripture in the two years since I've gotten saved than in all the previous years I've been alive combined and every day I find a new piece of divine wisdom to apply to my life and share with others. This part of the discussion is over. God bless and have a nice Easter.

Well excellent about studying.

Ending the conversation without having it is far less excellent, but it is what it is I suppose. If you're studying so much you'll come to lighten up your current stance in time.

 

[JGPS]

Let not him that eateth despise him that eateth not; and let not him which eateth not judge him that eateth: for God hath received him.

I think this verse is pertinent at this time. I follow the verse 'be ye not drunk with wine, wherein is excess', and don't believe that drinking wine is wrong. But I see no reason for someone to start denouncing a brother over doing what he thinks is right.

JGPS, not to call you out, but I think your post was a little over the top. Have a blessed Easter, everyone.

I am not one to promote weakness. I believe that now is a time where the highest strength is required if we want to see revival.

At any rate I didn't denounce him. I pointed out two things. First his supposition is cultural and not scriptural, that much is as much as admitted. Second that adding rules is quite as bad as taking them away. Holding a stance that forbids something which is allowed is equivalent to allowing something forbidden. To me his stance is no better than a Christian that says male homosexuality is okay. They allow something forbidden, he forbids something allowed. This is something that often needs to be pointed out.