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Jake from state farm here is a bit of advice here on cc. If you look in a pit of snakes and see a dove one of the snakes will eventually eat the dove unless he flies out of the snakes way. Moral lesson Stay out of the snakes way. Wheat and tare both mingle here on cc so be cautious and ask clear questions. Don't sign off on everything you read study for yourself and if you have a pastor by all means check with him and if you relationship with Jesus is solid always did I say always consult him first!
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Well thats the thing... I dont like any churches where I live... and I am 18 so I cant go to youth group... I want to be in church.. I want to serve... but I dont have a youth leader...or a pastor to go to... i have been looking for a church...but the type of church I am looking for is not where I live... or anywhere close...
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You must be careful as you will need to be accountable to someone. Most assuredly God but you don't need a mentor you need a pastor someone to train you and steer you in the correctness of scripture. You don't like any of the churches??? how many have you been to have you expressed this desire with any pastor to be in the service of God, come on now listen to what you are saying,not one church you like. You wont like everything a mentor says like you wont like everything a pastor says this can lead to not liking what Jesus says simply because you don't like it!!! you must be very careful. Keep looking ask God what church in your area is for you!!!
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We are accountable only to God. The Holy Spirit is the only Teacher we need. If we can find fellowship with those that hold to the true gospel....great, but if not, God is able to keep us.
There is plenty of online fellowship as well. But not with all of those who are on line.
To trust that a man that calls himself 'pastor' and lords over His heritage, as trust worthy having the whole truth is a fallacy.
If God can save a person, He can keep a person. Cursed is the man that trusts in man but blessed is he who puts his trust in God. Check psalms to back that up.
There is plenty of online fellowship as well. But not with all of those who are on line.
To trust that a man that calls himself 'pastor' and lords over His heritage, as trust worthy having the whole truth is a fallacy.
If God can save a person, He can keep a person. Cursed is the man that trusts in man but blessed is he who puts his trust in God. Check psalms to back that up.
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yet you live in another world a world you created. We are accountable one to the other that is what fellowship is. Check your scriptures! And for the record God called some to be teachers, pastors, evangelist or did you disregard that scripture too? God called some and some call themselves that is a difference.True God can keep us but we are accountable to our brothers in Christ just as the disciples were accountable to Jesus. You are really either very slow in your understanding or very blind in your understanding of scripture and controversy follows you do you wonder why? This will I'm sure lead to one of your long tired drawn out dissertations on how you are right and the world is wrong unless you have changed that is the expectation. The danger in what you say yet is kinda winding up like you often leaning to your own understanding!Prove me wrong.
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Hello Jake-from-state-farm are you wearing the armor of God? 
YET is correct in saying you only have one teacher. Considering there are 3 persons (Father, Son, & Holy Spirit) one God, this concept is expressed in many ways. Those that have not been taught by God the Father are incapable of teaching accurately about Jesus. I will refer you to John 6:43. this is the words of Jesus. the key to salvation is "KNOW THE LORD" and obey him. He is your mentor. There are many men and pastors that want to usurp Gods authority because there is a lot of money to be gained or hatred toward God and many other reasons. you should pay close attention to the warnings scripture gives new and old. Matthew 23 is prime example of what I am talking about. The first 12 verses apply to you if you are a true follower of Jesus. The next 27 verses blast those lying hypocrites that usurps Gods authority, condemning them while describing in detail their contemptible behavior. The very next chapter MT 24 continues on with warnings commanding anyone listening not to be deceived. You will notice in chapter 23 Jesus says "for you have one teacher, the Christ." Like I said many different descriptions of one teacher.
Where pastac says prove something that doesn't exist, exist (prove me wrong) I will say quote the verse that say we are accountable to men. I will point out we are accountable to God for how we relate to men in our actions. NO ONE WILL GET INTO HEAVEN WITH THE EXCUSE THE PASTOR TOLD ME!
Pay close attention to James 1:5 It clearly states anyone that asks God for wisdom about something will receive generously without finding fault. but if you doubt Gods answer you will get nothing because doubt will rob you of that knowledge.
This is exactly what the serpent did to Eve in the garden. "Did God really say, 'you must not eat from any tree in the Garden'?" He introduced doubt, then outright lies and because she failed to glorify God nor give thanks to Him she was deceived. conclusion from romans 1 second 1/2.
YET is correct in saying you only have one teacher. Considering there are 3 persons (Father, Son, & Holy Spirit) one God, this concept is expressed in many ways. Those that have not been taught by God the Father are incapable of teaching accurately about Jesus. I will refer you to John 6:43. this is the words of Jesus. the key to salvation is "KNOW THE LORD" and obey him. He is your mentor. There are many men and pastors that want to usurp Gods authority because there is a lot of money to be gained or hatred toward God and many other reasons. you should pay close attention to the warnings scripture gives new and old. Matthew 23 is prime example of what I am talking about. The first 12 verses apply to you if you are a true follower of Jesus. The next 27 verses blast those lying hypocrites that usurps Gods authority, condemning them while describing in detail their contemptible behavior. The very next chapter MT 24 continues on with warnings commanding anyone listening not to be deceived. You will notice in chapter 23 Jesus says "for you have one teacher, the Christ." Like I said many different descriptions of one teacher.
Where pastac says prove something that doesn't exist, exist (prove me wrong) I will say quote the verse that say we are accountable to men. I will point out we are accountable to God for how we relate to men in our actions. NO ONE WILL GET INTO HEAVEN WITH THE EXCUSE THE PASTOR TOLD ME!
Pay close attention to James 1:5 It clearly states anyone that asks God for wisdom about something will receive generously without finding fault. but if you doubt Gods answer you will get nothing because doubt will rob you of that knowledge.
This is exactly what the serpent did to Eve in the garden. "Did God really say, 'you must not eat from any tree in the Garden'?" He introduced doubt, then outright lies and because she failed to glorify God nor give thanks to Him she was deceived. conclusion from romans 1 second 1/2.
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Hello Jake-from-state-farm are you wearing the armor of God?
YET is correct in saying you only have one teacher. Considering there are 3 persons (Father, Son, & Holy Spirit) one God, this concept is expressed in many ways. Those that have not been taught by God the Father are incapable of teaching accurately about Jesus. I will refer you to John 6:43. this is the words of Jesus. the key to salvation is "KNOW THE LORD" and obey him. He is your mentor. There are many men and pastors that want to usurp Gods authority because there is a lot of money to be gained or hatred toward God and many other reasons. you should pay close attention to the warnings scripture gives new and old. Matthew 23 is prime example of what I am talking about. The first 12 verses apply to you if you are a true follower of Jesus. The next 27 verses blast those lying hypocrites that usurps Gods authority, condemning them while describing in detail their contemptible behavior. The very next chapter MT 24 continues on with warnings commanding anyone listening not to be deceived. You will notice in chapter 23 Jesus says "for you have one teacher, the Christ." Like I said many different descriptions of one teacher.
Where pastac says prove something that doesn't exist, exist (prove me wrong) I will say quote the verse that say we are accountable to men. I will point out we are accountable to God for how we relate to men in our actions. NO ONE WILL GET INTO HEAVEN WITH THE EXCUSE THE PASTOR TOLD ME!
Pay close attention to James 1:5 It clearly states anyone that asks God for wisdom about something will receive generously without finding fault. but if you doubt Gods answer you will get nothing because doubt will rob you of that knowledge.
This is exactly what the serpent did to Eve in the garden. "Did God really say, 'you must not eat from any tree in the Garden'?" He introduced doubt, then outright lies and because she failed to glorify God nor give thanks to Him she was deceived. conclusion from romans 1 second 1/2.
YET is correct in saying you only have one teacher. Considering there are 3 persons (Father, Son, & Holy Spirit) one God, this concept is expressed in many ways. Those that have not been taught by God the Father are incapable of teaching accurately about Jesus. I will refer you to John 6:43. this is the words of Jesus. the key to salvation is "KNOW THE LORD" and obey him. He is your mentor. There are many men and pastors that want to usurp Gods authority because there is a lot of money to be gained or hatred toward God and many other reasons. you should pay close attention to the warnings scripture gives new and old. Matthew 23 is prime example of what I am talking about. The first 12 verses apply to you if you are a true follower of Jesus. The next 27 verses blast those lying hypocrites that usurps Gods authority, condemning them while describing in detail their contemptible behavior. The very next chapter MT 24 continues on with warnings commanding anyone listening not to be deceived. You will notice in chapter 23 Jesus says "for you have one teacher, the Christ." Like I said many different descriptions of one teacher.
Where pastac says prove something that doesn't exist, exist (prove me wrong) I will say quote the verse that say we are accountable to men. I will point out we are accountable to God for how we relate to men in our actions. NO ONE WILL GET INTO HEAVEN WITH THE EXCUSE THE PASTOR TOLD ME!
Pay close attention to James 1:5 It clearly states anyone that asks God for wisdom about something will receive generously without finding fault. but if you doubt Gods answer you will get nothing because doubt will rob you of that knowledge.
This is exactly what the serpent did to Eve in the garden. "Did God really say, 'you must not eat from any tree in the Garden'?" He introduced doubt, then outright lies and because she failed to glorify God nor give thanks to Him she was deceived. conclusion from romans 1 second 1/2.
I don't want a debate I want Jake from state farm wise and guided in the right direction, read my comments before trying to read into my comments. I was talking especially to yet based on his response and you chimed in. Proving is easy accepting seems to be the hard part for some. Here are several scriptures on accountability to men!
The danger with being self taught is just that self! Leaning to our own understanding without guidance is a recipe for disaster even Jesus taught his disciples thus they were accountable to him in action deed and all that pertained to fellowship! Think on it.
Galatians 6:1-5 - Brethren, if a man be overtaken in a fault, ye which are spiritual, restore such an one in the spirit of meekness; considering thyself, lest thou also be tempted.
1 Thessalonians 5:11 - Wherefore comfort yourselves together, and edify one another, even as also ye do.
Luke 17:3 - Take heed to yourselves: If thy brother trespass against thee, rebuke him; and if he repent, forgive him.
Hebrews 4:13 - Neither is there any creature that is not manifest in his sight: but all things [are] naked and opened unto the eyes of him with whom we have to do.
Proverbs 27:17 - Iron sharpeneth iron; so a man sharpeneth the countenance of his friend.
Romans 14:12 - So then every one of us shall give account of himself to God.
Matthew 7:3-5 - And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?
Romans 12:15 - Rejoice with them that do rejoice, and weep with them that weep.
Luke 16:10-12 - He that is faithful in that which is least is faithful also in much: and he that is unjust in the least is unjust also in much.
James 5:16 - Confess [your] faults one to another, and pray one for another, that ye may be healed. The effectual fervent prayer of a righteous man availeth much.
Jeremiah 17:10 - I the LORD search the heart, try the reins, even to give every man according to his ways, [and] according to the fruit of his doings.
1 John 4:1 - Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.
James 2:1-26 - My brethren, have not the faith of our Lord Jesus Christ, [the Lord] of glory, with respect of persons.
Acts 2:42 - And they continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship, and in breaking of bread, and in prayers.
Acts 2:1-47 - And when the day of Pentecost was fully come, they were all with one accord in one place.
Matthew 25:15 - And unto one he gave five talents, to another two, and to another one; to every man according to his several ability; and straightway took his journey.
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wow, the fact that you refer to being taught by God is being self taught strongly suggest you have no faith he will speaker to you. I think you are projecting your own behavior onto me to hide your own intent.
I am going to look up only one verse you quoted in many translations to prove my point. You have misquoted and changed the word restore to accountable. There is not similarities in their meaning. This is exactly what satin did while tempting Eve!.
Galatians 6:1
6 Brothers, if someone is caught in a sin, you who are spiritual should restore him gently. But watch yourself, or you also may be tempted.The Holy Bible : New International Version. 1996, c1984 (electronic ed.) (Ga 6:1). Grand Rapids: Zondervan.
6 Brothers and sisters, what if someone is caught in a sin? Then you who are guided by the Spirit should correct that person. Do it in a gentle way. But be careful. You could be tempted too. New International Reader's Version. 1998 (1st ed.) (Ga 6:1). Zondervan.
[SUP]6:1[/SUP] Brothers and sisters, if a person is discovered in some sin, you who are spiritual restore such a person in a spirit of gentleness. Pay close attention to yourselves, so that you are not tempted too.Biblical Studies Press. (2006; 2006). The NET Bible First Edition; Bible. English. NET Bible.; The NET Bible (Ga 6:1). Biblical Studies Press.
[SUP]1[/SUP] Brethren, if a man be overtaken in a fault, ye which are spiritual, restore such an one in the spirit of meekness; considering thyself, lest thou also be tempted. The Holy Bible : King James Version. 1995 (electronic ed. of the 1769 edition of the 1611 Authorized Version.) (Ga 6:1). Bellingham WA: Logos Research Systems, Inc.
[SUP]1[/SUP]Brothers, if a person is caught doing something wrong, those of you who are spiritual should restore that person in a spirit of gentleness. Watch out for yourself so that you are not tempted as well.International standard version New Testament : Version 1.1. 2000 (Print on Demand ed.) (Ga 6:1). Yorba Linda, CA: The Learning Foundation.
Brothers, if someone is caught in any wrongdoing, you who are spiritual should restore such a person with a gentle spirit, watching out for yourselves so you won’t be tempted also. The Holy Bible : Holman Christian standard version. 2003 (Ga 6:1). Nashville: Holman Bible Publishers.
I can go on for a total of 22 English translations, there is no similarity to the word restore and accountable. Are you reading a JW translation. I will give witness with Greek friend, Greek being his native language and what he reads we tested JW translation and found it to be like this error, using inappropriate words used to change meaning of text. This is exactly what satin did while tempting Eve!.
My only question is are you deceived or deceiver. I will say it again you only know if you are getting the truth if you are getting it form God. Men make mistakes. No man except Jesus is perfect in knowledge. But your rage at people, not just me for pointing this out causes great concern. It is no wonder no one has returned to this thread.
It was never my intent to suggest having a mentor is wrong. I did intend to say Jesus should be our 1st mentor and always weigh what our friends say with scripture in prayer for wisdom from God.
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you cant be serious you have the unmitigated gall to assume all sorts or erroneous stuff and have crossed the line. I'll make it simple for you since your clear distortion is evident. Of course men make mistakes what do you think you have done? Who is saying Jesus should not be our main teacher?
But look stevenmd Jesus uses fallible men and donkeys too! I don't need a dissertation on the word so don't be condescending as to think I do. My PhD is in Theology so I kind of think I am versed in scripture to make an intelligent statement or two. I have changed nothing at all to insinuate so tends to let me think you have all the answers and I guess we already see that is not the case. What is accountability? You stray or run from clear doctrine were not the disciples accountable to Jesus and we to him as well was Jesus a man come on scholar what will it be? I will also address your jw comment are you sane or a tool being used by the deceiver? How you can twist anything said to fit your own thought process is questionable.
This is personal and you made it so. Jesus was not weak nor am I and I am a true soldier spiritually and naturally so never get it twisted I am a defender of truth. Can you even read? What is your point again oh yeah speaking and defending a ignorant position that we are not accountable to men. As to the self taught comment you really are stretching aren't you. The intent is that we are not to be self taught but taught by the Spirit of God as we can and have a tendency to self destruct.
Never again accuse or put me in the category of a deceiver you don't know me at all again that is judgment or am I missing that too! And If God gives confirmation of his word through men well that rips apart your theory because we are accountable to men and must even try the very words they speak to see if they are of God. Hidden intent you have made evident by instead of addressing me in a pm you put it in open forum so I will respond accordingly.
I'm not a cave hider I don't run from fights I run to them Jezebels and threats don't bother me I know who I serve and who has sanctioned me and it surely was not stevenmd.!
I haven't quite figured out who your words are from just yet but I'm working on it. Oh and for the record if you address me again use the correct posture just as I did with you stick to facts if you can. Peace to you.
But look stevenmd Jesus uses fallible men and donkeys too! I don't need a dissertation on the word so don't be condescending as to think I do. My PhD is in Theology so I kind of think I am versed in scripture to make an intelligent statement or two. I have changed nothing at all to insinuate so tends to let me think you have all the answers and I guess we already see that is not the case. What is accountability? You stray or run from clear doctrine were not the disciples accountable to Jesus and we to him as well was Jesus a man come on scholar what will it be? I will also address your jw comment are you sane or a tool being used by the deceiver? How you can twist anything said to fit your own thought process is questionable.
This is personal and you made it so. Jesus was not weak nor am I and I am a true soldier spiritually and naturally so never get it twisted I am a defender of truth. Can you even read? What is your point again oh yeah speaking and defending a ignorant position that we are not accountable to men. As to the self taught comment you really are stretching aren't you. The intent is that we are not to be self taught but taught by the Spirit of God as we can and have a tendency to self destruct.
Never again accuse or put me in the category of a deceiver you don't know me at all again that is judgment or am I missing that too! And If God gives confirmation of his word through men well that rips apart your theory because we are accountable to men and must even try the very words they speak to see if they are of God. Hidden intent you have made evident by instead of addressing me in a pm you put it in open forum so I will respond accordingly.
I'm not a cave hider I don't run from fights I run to them Jezebels and threats don't bother me I know who I serve and who has sanctioned me and it surely was not stevenmd.!
I haven't quite figured out who your words are from just yet but I'm working on it. Oh and for the record if you address me again use the correct posture just as I did with you stick to facts if you can. Peace to you.
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