I am asking for your thoughts

[Fubario]

So I am at a point in my life where I realize how bad sin is and the effects it has on everything around me, and I was struggling for several months where I realized I cannot go back to anything, and I feel like its hard because the Spirit is guiding me and I wanted to please to God but I don't know what I should do, I hurt myself and my hurt extends to dreams and wants and I am saddened by all that's happened. I feel so bad. What should I do? This is kind of vague so to make it specific, I felt freed of this world and the sin i had harboured in my heart, emotional sin like jealousy and what not. I feel like I want to be perfect, and I get the feeling that its almost sinful to want to be perfect, because we are pretty much graceless, except we still would need grace and providence if we were perfect, so what to do?

 

[blue_ladybug]

So I am at a point in my life where I realize how bad sin is and the effects it has on everything around me, and I was struggling for several months where I realized I cannot go back to anything, and I feel like its hard because the Spirit is guiding me and I wanted to please to God but I don't know what I should do, I hurt myself and my hurt extends to dreams and wants and I am saddened by all that's happened. I feel so bad. What should I do? This is kind of vague so to make it specific, I felt freed of this world and the sin i had harboured in my heart, emotional sin like jealousy and what not. I feel like I want to be perfect, and I get the feeling that its almost sinful to want to be perfect, because we are pretty much graceless, except we still would need grace and providence if we were perfect, so what to do?

Your feeling of wanting to be perfect is a fruitless effort, for we are sinfully made and are NOT perfect. God does not want us to be perfect because he knows we are'nt!! That would be like putting the cart before the horse and asking it to pull the horse. LOL! In other words, perfection is impossible for us mere humans. God simply wants us to put forth our very best efforts in everything we do, think, and say. To show his grace, love and mercy to others. To forgive and extend compassion the way he did, and still does. Just trust God, ask him for guidance, and do what he leads you to do.

 

[Fubario]

But see, for me perfection is not flawlessness, its simply mental and spiritual maturity. Its the all that we are told to do in the Scriptures, and its like you keep struggling and then you get freed and I have had struggles for 2 years, I am told that the saints in the past like Bunyan and what not all struggled for some time and then they were "free"

 

[seemspeculiar]

Blasphemy!! Blue_ladybug is a liar. Fubario it may seem sinful to you to want to be perfect. Read proverbs 16:25 "there is a way that seems right unto a man but the end thereof are the ways of death" then read Matthew 5:48 "be therefore perfect, even as your father which is in heaven is perfect.

 

[FireHeart]

Blasphemy!! Blue_ladybug is a liar. Fubario it may seem sinful to you to want to be perfect. Read proverbs 16:25 "there is a way that seems right unto a man but the end thereof are the ways of death" then read Matthew 5:48 "be therefore perfect, even as your father which is in heaven is perfect.

What the heck? you asked for advice and Got the perfect advice but then call it Blasphemy? You cannot and will not ever be perect because you are a human being living in a flesh that was cursed to harbor sin by adam and eve. But we are to strive to be perfect knowing we cannot by seeing who Jesus is and was as the perfect example and do our best to be just like that. How? Love, if you do not seek and desire love then you will not ever become what God craves us to be you will only harbor self righteousness and judgement on those who disagree with you and try to help you. If you have no love in your heart then until you seek it and ask for it you will never be truly saved

 

[FireHeart]

What the heck? you asked for advice and Got the perfect advice but then call it Blasphemy? You cannot and will not ever be perect because you are a human being living in a flesh that was cursed to harbor sin by adam and eve. But we are to strive to be perfect knowing we cannot by seeing who Jesus is and was as the perfect example and do our best to be just like that. How? Love, if you do not seek and desire love then you will not ever become what God craves us to be you will only harbor self righteousness and judgement on those who disagree with you and try to help you. If you have no love in your heart then until you seek it and ask for it you will never be truly saved

I apologize I see I mixed up two different poster I am very sorry for that however what I said is still true

 

[posthuman]

Blasphemy!! Blue_ladybug is a liar. Fubario it may seem sinful to you to want to be perfect. Read proverbs 16:25 "there is a way that seems right unto a man but the end thereof are the ways of death" then read Matthew 5:48 "be therefore perfect, even as your father which is in heaven is perfect.

it is also written, and Jesus Himself testifies, that no one is good, except God alone.
have a look at Romans chapter 3 -- there is no righteousness apart from what is imputed to us by faith, the righteousness of Christ. this is stated many times in the epistles.

For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith--and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God
(Ephesians 2:8)

our perfection, should we attain it, is not of ourselves, but the gift of God.
we cannot perfect ourselves. that is why Blue Ladybug is comforting Fubario, because by man's effort no one can become perfect. no one is justified by flesh, or by works of the law, but justification, and perfection, is the work of God -- we must look to Him, not to ourselves, to be perfected.

Are you so foolish? Having begun by the Spirit, are you now being perfected by the flesh?
(Galatians 3:3)

it is foolish to think that we can perfect ourselves - if we do it, it is after the flesh, but if we become perfect through the spirit, it is the Spirit that works in us, not ourselves.

To him who is able to keep you from stumbling and to present you before his glorious presence without fault and with great joy—to the only God our Savior be glory, majesty, power and authority, through Jesus Christ our Lord, before all ages, now and forevermore!
(Jude 1:24-25)

it is God who is able to keep our feet from stumbling, not us. it is God that glory belongs to, not us.
He perfects us, we do not perfect ourselves. the power to walk in righteousness does not come from us, but from the one who gives us life and seals our redemption. He redeems us; we do not redeem ourselves, that no one may boast, but all glory belongs to Christ -- our Savior!

being confident of this, that he who began a good work in you will carry it on to completion until the day of Christ Jesus.
(Philippians 1:6)

look at who does the work ↑

His yoke is easy

 

[posthuman]

what only God can do, let only God do.

 

[kennethcadwell]

We are not perfect, but yes we are to strive to be perfect letting the Holy Spirit guide us through life.

If you refuse that guidance and live or return to living in willful sin which is a form of denying the Lord.
You have to repent of your sins, and ask forgiveness of them and our Lord being just will forgive you of those sins.
If you do not repent, or ask forgiveness of your sins that is the willful sinner the bible speaks of.
God does want us to be perfect, He knows that we can not achieve that full perfection until the transformation ( rapture ) but we are to try to walk the best we can.

 

[blue_ladybug]

Blasphemy!! Blue_ladybug is a liar. Fubario it may seem sinful to you to want to be perfect. Read proverbs 16:25 "there is a way that seems right unto a man but the end thereof are the ways of death" then read Matthew 5:48 "be therefore perfect, even as your father which is in heaven is perfect.

seemspeculiar, calling me a liar is a bit extreme, especially when EVERYTHING I stated in my previous post is TRUE.
Matthew 5:48 and the preceding verses, which are out of context because you gave just that one verse without explaining how the verses before it affect it, are speaking about how we should all act like Jesus. We ARE imperfectly made, so obviously attaining perfection in this lifetime is impossible since Romans 3:23 states, " for all have SINNED and fallen short of the glory of God." How can we be perfect when we have all sinned?? THAT'S IMPOSSIBLE!


It does not matter how much good we do, we will NEVER be perfect the way Jesus is perfect. And for you to call my previous reply blasphemous is just ridiculous on your part.

 

[Trinityangy]

Hello, just know one thing that God is not looking for perfection in us, what he expects from us is the willingness to do his Will, repending heart, obediency to his Word and availing ourselves to him so that he can use use as he wishes, God knows the nature of bodies we live in that it is sinful and therefore he is not expecting any perfection from us, that is why there was no man perfect in the world to die and take away our sins, who could save us from slavery of sin, that is why Christ Jesus came down from heaven. Left his throne and his responsibilities as King, and gave his life for us. God bless

 

[seemspeculiar]

My first question to everyone is how do you read the words in the bible? Clearly blue_ladybug said: God does not want us to be perfect. Jesus said: be therefore perfect, even as your father which is in heaven is perfect. For all of you who claim people can't be perfect with God, please study the definitions of the word perfect. Jesus did not speak of himself, but of the father who sent him commanded him of what he should say and how he says it.

 

[posthuman]

My first question to everyone is how do you read the words in the bible? Clearly blue_ladybug said: God does not want us to be perfect. Jesus said: be therefore perfect, even as your father which is in heaven is perfect. For all of you who claim people can't be perfect with God, please study the definitions of the word perfect. Jesus did not speak of himself, but of the father who sent him commanded him of what he should say and how he says it.

she said "that would be like putting the cart before the horse and asking it to pull the horse"

if we can't by our own efforts be "good" much less "perfect" -- how are we to be perfect as Christ is perfect?

was Jeremiah wrong when he said that he knew it wasn't in man to direct his paths? (Jeremiah 10:23)

the answer is that in order to be perfect, we have to take on Christ's perfection. this isn't something we can do, but somethign we have to give up our selves to God for - because only God can reach God's perfection.

that same word translated "perfect" is used here:

Epaphras, who is one of you, a servant of Christ Jesus, greets you,
always struggling on your behalf in his prayers,
that you may stand mature and fully assured in all the will of God.
(Colossians 4:12)

it's translated "mature" in this case. it can mean "complete" or "fully grown" -- and notice that Epaphras prays that the Colossians may be "perfect"
why does he pray, instead of standing over them judging and reprimanding? because it is God who makes perfect, not people. God who gives the increase, while others may plant & water. God who calls, sanctifies, justifies and perfects, not man.

that's the point we need to understand in order to "be perfect" -- that it doesn't come from within ourselves; we have no power to be holy without that it is given from God, and it must be God who works perfection in us, not us, or we could boast of ourselves like the man why prayed "thank you that i am not like other men"
part of being perfect is to pray like the sinner prayed - "have mercy on me"

Jesus told the rich young man who had kept the laws all his life that he wasn't perfect. He said in order to be perfect, he needed to let go of everything he owned, and follow Him.

we need to "let go" of the ownership of perfection. it belongs to God, and if we are to attain it, we have to receive it from Him.

i sincerely doubt Mme Ladybug is trying to tell us that we shouldn't even bother to try not to sin. i believe she's pointing out this very thing, that it's useless to think you can be perfect on your own.

it's the Holy Spirit in us that makes us want to be perfect, and it's this Spirit that works to perfect us, and gives us power to be so. it's Christ who redeems us, not ourselves. a work in us, not by us. we have to lose our lives to gain life, and let go of ourselves to find who we really are in Christ, who came to take our burdens on Himself, not to give us an even heavier burden than the one which we already could never bear.

the disagreement isn't about whether we should obey Christ, but by what power, and to whose glory we possibly can.

 

[blue_ladybug]

she said "that would be like putting the cart before the horse and asking it to pull the horse"

if we can't by our own efforts be "good" much less "perfect" -- how are we to be perfect as Christ is perfect?

was Jeremiah wrong when he said that he knew it wasn't in man to direct his paths? (Jeremiah 10:23)

the answer is that in order to be perfect, we have to take on Christ's perfection. this isn't something we can do, but somethign we have to give up our selves to God for - because only God can reach God's perfection.

that same word translated "perfect" is used here:

Epaphras, who is one of you, a servant of Christ Jesus, greets you,
always struggling on your behalf in his prayers,
that you may stand mature and fully assured in all the will of God.
(Colossians 4:12)

it's translated "mature" in this case. it can mean "complete" or "fully grown" -- and notice that Epaphras prays that the Colossians may be "perfect"
why does he pray, instead of standing over them judging and reprimanding? because it is God who makes perfect, not people. God who gives the increase, while others may plant & water. God who calls, sanctifies, justifies and perfects, not man.

that's the point we need to understand in order to "be perfect" -- that it doesn't come from within ourselves; we have no power to be holy without that it is given from God, and it must be God who works perfection in us, not us, or we could boast of ourselves like the man why prayed "thank you that i am not like other men"
part of being perfect is to pray like the sinner prayed - "have mercy on me"

Jesus told the rich young man who had kept the laws all his life that he wasn't perfect. He said in order to be perfect, he needed to let go of everything he owned, and follow Him.

we need to "let go" of the ownership of perfection. it belongs to God, and if we are to attain it, we have to receive it from Him.

i sincerely doubt Mme Ladybug is trying to tell us that we shouldn't even bother to try not to sin. i believe she's pointing out this very thing, that it's useless to think you can be perfect on your own.

it's the Holy Spirit in us that makes us want to be perfect, and it's this Spirit that works to perfect us, and gives us power to be so. it's Christ who redeems us, not ourselves. a work in us, not by us. we have to lose our lives to gain life, and let go of ourselves to find who we really are in Christ, who came to take our burdens on Himself, not to give us an even heavier burden than the one which we already could never bear.

the disagreement isn't about whether we should obey Christ, but by what power, and to whose glory we possibly can.

​Posthuman, thank you and amen!