I Hate Every Single that God have created!!!

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I dont know but I've been growing into something scary & useless time by time, I'm thinking the reason why I was born into this world. Dont know what to do in rest of my life & what have been happening to my life all the way down, losing so many friends to nothing cause I didnt trust them anymore, I hate myself because I knew about sex knowledges and I couldnt do anything with my hands, suddenly I'm thinking that I'm God's ( Elohim ) creation & I should blame Him for creating me, and hate everything that have been created by God, You know that God have power to end this world, but why to save human from sins that have been connecting many generations to eternal suffer :( LIKE ME. I hate majority of religion in my country, they are suppresing Christian, they're happy when they could convert someone to their side,WORLD DIDNT KNOW IT.
God, I knew you're in Your Most Holy Place all these time, watching over us, but why God you could not help us to come to Your place to be HOLY like You. WHY??!!! Why did you choose Abel, Enoch, Moses, Elijah, Jehovah and other Saints but not me. Letting me like this rusted and tormented, I knew it's not only me that thinking like this but what then... It's useless, I want going somewhere, hope that new life would come out different...

Please, anyone, I could not bear anymore of it, especially about Sex Knowledges ( I hate it most ) and everyday I hate EVERYTHING MORE AND MORE

I'm thinking if I wasnt born to this world, it would be better, but I remember that darkness & loneliness bring me chill out. And about SUICIDE, I didnt want to do it because I hear and read that their soul will be deliver into Eternal Torment, Hell, itself, because wasting Life that have been granted to them. So then, why God creating all of those thing?

I didnt care how long that this world have been created. BUT I'M QUESTIONING TO MYSELF WHY I COULDNT BE LIKE THOSE SAINTS, HOLY. I'M REALLY ENVY TO ENOCH'S STORIES ABOUT HOW HE LIFTED TO HEAVEN BECAUSE HIS RELATIONSHIP TO GOD, ELOHIM. I'm not that diligent to read Holy Bible but I've read some of it.

All of it making me sane and sick, I'm thinking that God could do destruction and creation but why he couldnt keep me from SINS. Human trying to release themselves from pain by drugs and another joy.

GOD I KNOW THAT YOURE HIDING SOMETHING, YOURE IGNORANCE GOD LETTING YOUR CREATION FALL TO THE DARKNESS, BUT YOURE KEEPING YOURSELF IN THE MOST HOLY PLACE

God, youre predicting and knowing about anti-Christ, but you let them lost to that way. You could unifying everything God but why you didnt do it. God why youre not sweep us with your wrath so we feel fear to You.

Atheist, Pagan, and other, what is that happening to us? LOSING FAITH, OF COURSE.

UNIVERSE is wide and vast.
KNOWLEDGES are infinitive.
LOVE AND HATE are momentarily thing.
God, you could RAISE anyone from Death.
SEX, for me is unproper, even it was GIFT.

As Christian, I hate myself for being useless, so Angels laughing at me.
What are you doing God in that time when I hope MIRACLE come everyday to my life, when everything would end.

Gay, Heterosexual, Bisexual, Transgender, what the heck is that state contaminate this entire life. Why You didnt annihilate everything like at Noah's TIME.
God I want to that place PROMISING LANDS, but with this condition did I deserve for it. Tell me everyone about everything You know about this world. I want to go to the bosom of my birth when I'm looking at You.

Oh and one more thing that Heaven and Hell are located in PARALLEL WORLD, so no one stupid dare to step their reach to that place. I'm going to end that PAIN and DIVERSION with something that you hide, God. Something that is called TECHNOLOGY. Everyone, especially Christian, I HATE EVERYTHING THAT GOD HAVE BEEN CREATED.



EVEN I'M LOOKING TO YOU, YOURE NOT THERE. WHY???
I'M ASKING YOU GOD, WHHHYYY?!!!:mad:
 
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Tintin

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I honestly don't know what you're talking about, other than that you're angry at God.
 

JesusLives

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V_T

I am sorry that you are so disillusioned by this life, that the unfairness that sin has brought to this world has you in so much stress. God created a perfect world free from sin, but once sin came into the world all fairness and peace vanished. We were left with pain, suffering and death as death is the wages of sin. God can and will help you, but first you must acknowledge your need of Him.

You see everyone on earth is a sinner and our nature is to fight against God, I too have been angry with God, but when I look at my life and the choices that chose to make much of the pain and suffering I experienced was because of the choices I had made.

I invite you to ask God to enter your heart and help you change the way you think and feel. I invite you to invest in a Holy Bible and start reading it everyday start with the book of John which is a love chapter telling us all about God's love for us and the plan He has to get us out of this sinful world into the perfect world He intended us to live in. I invite you to pray and ask God to help you to believe in the promises that He give us in the book of John and ask God to give you the Holy Spirit who can help bring you to repentance and a peaceful walk with Him.

Without God this world is a horrible place to live, but with God He will always be with you and grant you peace in your soul. I invited you to allow Jesus to come into your heart today as He is just waiting beside you for your invitation to enter your heart.

Dear Father in Heaven

Please be with V_T and help him to have a desire to allow You to come into his heart today and experience the peace, joy and love that you can give him. Send angels to guard and protect him from the enemy that would destroy him and help him to want to reach out to You and accept the salvation that Jesus has provided for him. In Jesus Name Amen
 
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truleycommitted

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Oh my brother God is with you.. and I know you have little faith but because God is God little faith is all you need for god to move.in Luke 17:6 god says "if you have faith as small as a mustard seed you can say to this mulberry tree, be uprooted and planted in the sea and will obey you..faith is defined as the substance of the things hoped for with the evidence if the things not seen.. we as people have a choice to believe or not to believe to live or die.. to spend eternity in heaven or hell its all about choices if God was to show us our inheritance before we died heaven would be filled with unbelievers and false people.. God is love.. notice the devil dont ever get questioned when things bad happen only God.. anyone can worship god when everything is going good but only the true worshippers can worship him when things are bad.. God will not invade the personal will of people why because he loves us that much.. even in the mess we are in he carries us he moves to the amount of faith we have inside of us.. with all what you are going through look at it as a ministry God is building inside of you.. help another person instead of trying to figure out God for we all can never figure out his works... be blessed my brother for if God can bring me out he will surely do the same for you.. for the god I serve is not a respecter of person..
 
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I dont know but I've been growing into something scary & useless time by time, I'm thinking the reason why I was born into this world. Dont know what to do in rest of my life & what have been happening to my life all the way down, losing so many friends to nothing cause I didnt trust them anymore, I hate myself because I knew about sex knowledges and I couldnt do anything with my hands, suddenly I'm thinking that I'm God's ( Elohim ) creation & I should blame Him for creating me, and hate everything that have been created by God, You know that God have power to end this world, but why to save human from sins that have been connecting many generations to eternal suffer :( LIKE ME. I hate majority of religion in my country, they are suppresing Christian, they're happy when they could convert someone to their side,WORLD DIDNT KNOW IT.
God, I knew you're in Your Most Holy Place all these time, watching over us, but why God you could not help us to come to Your place to be HOLY like You. WHY??!!! Why did you choose Abel, Enoch, Moses, Elijah, Jehovah and other Saints but not me. Letting me like this rusted and tormented, I knew it's not only me that thinking like this but what then... It's useless, I want going somewhere, hope that new life would come out different...

Please, anyone, I could not bear anymore of it, especially about Sex Knowledges ( I hate it most ) and everyday I hate EVERYTHING MORE AND MORE

I'm thinking if I wasnt born to this world, it would be better, but I remember that darkness & loneliness bring me chill out. And about SUICIDE, I didnt want to do it because I hear and read that their soul will be deliver into Eternal Torment, Hell, itself, because wasting Life that have been granted to them. So then, why God creating all of those thing?

I didnt care how long that this world have been created. BUT I'M QUESTIONING TO MYSELF WHY I COULDNT BE LIKE THOSE SAINTS, HOLY. I'M REALLY ENVY TO ENOCH'S STORIES ABOUT HOW HE LIFTED TO HEAVEN BECAUSE HIS RELATIONSHIP TO GOD, ELOHIM. I'm not that diligent to read Holy Bible but I've read some of it.

All of it making me sane and sick, I'm thinking that God could do destruction and creation but why he couldnt keep me from SINS. Human trying to release themselves from pain by drugs and another joy.

GOD I KNOW THAT YOURE HIDING SOMETHING, YOURE IGNORANCE GOD LETTING YOUR CREATION FALL TO THE DARKNESS, BUT YOURE KEEPING YOURSELF IN THE MOST HOLY PLACE

God, youre predicting and knowing about anti-Christ, but you let them lost to that way. You could unifying everything God but why you didnt do it. God why youre not sweep us with your wrath so we feel fear to You.

Atheist, Pagan, and other, what is that happening to us? LOSING FAITH, OF COURSE.

UNIVERSE is wide and vast.
KNOWLEDGES are infinitive.
LOVE AND HATE are momentarily thing.
God, you could RAISE anyone from Death.
SEX, for me is unproper, even it was GIFT.

As Christian, I hate myself for being useless, so Angels laughing at me.
What are you doing God in that time when I hope MIRACLE come everyday to my life, when everything would end.

Gay, Heterosexual, Bisexual, Transgender, what the heck is that state contaminate this entire life. Why You didnt annihilate everything like at Noah's TIME.
God I want to that place PROMISING LANDS, but with this condition did I deserve for it. Tell me everyone about everything You know about this world. I want to go to the bosom of my birth when I'm looking at You.

Oh and one more thing that Heaven and Hell are located in PARALLEL WORLD, so no one stupid dare to step their reach to that place. I'm going to end that PAIN and DIVERSION with something that you hide, God. Something that is called TECHNOLOGY. Everyone, especially Christian, I HATE EVERYTHING THAT GOD HAVE BEEN CREATED.



EVEN I'M LOOKING TO YOU, YOURE NOT THERE. WHY???
I'M ASKING YOU GOD, WHHHYYY?!!!:mad:
I like your post and I love the fact that you post it that's very good keep it up. Express yourself. pray to God be angry at him do all that you can to get his attention. The funny and cool thing about God that most people doesn't realize is the fact that he knows everything about everything and he want his children to question him about why these things are the way it is and why he hasn't done anything about sufferings, personal problems, wars, and some of the things you question in your post.

I like the fact that you say what so special about Enoch(especially him) that he doesn't have to see death. Well Enoch was just like you in fact the time he was living in was worth than the time you are living in right now.

"Enoch walked in faith the 365 years of his life, and that made all the difference. No matter what happened, he trusted God. He obeyed God. God loved Enoch so much he spared him the experience of death" ---quoted not bible verse

For before he was taken, he was commended as one who pleased God. And without faith it is impossible to please God, because anyone who comes to him must believe that he exists and that he rewards those who earnestly seek him. (Hebrews 11:5-6, NIV)
Enoch isn't special than anyone in this world today. Enoch isn't special than me, you or anyone in the world, but what make Enoch different from everyone in his time was the fact that he was very close to God even the world around him was full with sin. He was a saint among sinners, and we all know how hard that can be.

So if you are able to be a Saint among sinners and among all this mess up things in the world God will treat you very special in fact even more special than how he treated Enoch. I feel the same way you do many times, but I decided to be like Enoch and be different and apart from the World. God do not treat me special everyday, but I remember in December 26,2012 and few months after that. I was treated so special by him that for the rest of my life I will always remember those short time I spend with my heavenly father and with one other person that I will always love for the rest of my life even though I didn't thought about him must before God made me had a personal relationship with him. So I understand that the fact that you hate everything God had created, but try to get closer to God and tell him why u hate those things and get to know him personally in fact he will know you the wonders of the world that he hasn't and will never show anyone else except you.
 
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MisterHarmony

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I feel the same way. I don't know of a good solution. Everything I want to do is a sin. I feel bored. I want to be free.
 
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Ecclesiastik

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I feel the same way. I don't know of a good solution. Everything I want to do is a sin. I feel bored. I want to be free.
It sounds like you (and the OP, if this is what he is also stating) have fallen into the trap of modern day cultural Christianity. You'll find a good deal of friends in here who have similar beliefs and feelings--even if they will not openly and bluntly admit it as you yourself have.

This is a sort of religion that never touches a person's soul. It knows nothing of living a crucified life or dying to one's self. The old man is still alive and lusting for the things that God hates. This often manifests itself in the fruits of the flesh in the lives of Christians who aren't really transformed from the inside out. They are reading the Bible and going to church and trying to do the things that both of those things tell them to do.

Are you willing to give it all up for Christ, my friends? No? Then no longer think of yourself as a Christian because the faith you have now is useless and dead. Seek God with all of your heart until you are ready. If you are not willing to do this, then renounce your faith and carry on as usual. You might as well stop acting.

Yes, are willing to give it all up? Do so right now. Cry out earnestly to God. You know what you are holding on to. Give up your thoughts of honor, self-esteem, pride. Your family and friends are going to see you as a strange guy now. You will no longer be able to carry yourself as you used to. You won't be living for yourself any more. Let it all go. All the bad habits you want to keep? The looking/lusting at women? Those ungodly HBO/Showtime TV shows with the violence and vulgarity? Cast it off before the throne of God. Remember this: "What will it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?" Following Jesus will cost you nothing but it will cost you everything. Lay down your hopes and ambitions at the throne of God.

Until you do this, you cannot follow Christ. Take up your cross--that brutal, heavy instrument of death--and crucify the flesh so that God can live within you. Present yourself as a living sacrifice to God.

When you do this, the problem you mentioned will burn away. But until you do this, you will carry a useless, meaningless faith that will not profit you in the day of death. Quite similar to what many people on this site have. But do not let them fool you or persuade you otherwise. The word of God is quite evident--you need to die to yourself. Until you come to the end of yourself, you will not know God.
 
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Tintin

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It sounds like you (and the OP, if this is what he is also stating) have fallen into the trap of modern day cultural Christianity. You'll find a good deal of friends in here who have similar beliefs and feelings--even if they will not openly and bluntly admit it as you yourself have.

This is a sort of religion that never touches a person's soul. It knows nothing of living a crucified life or dying to one's self. The old man is still alive and lusting for the things that God hates. This often manifests itself in the fruits of the flesh in the lives of Christians who aren't really transformed from the inside out. They are reading the Bible and going to church and trying to do the things that both of those things tell them to do.

Are you willing to give it all up for Christ, my friends? No? Then no longer think of yourself as a Christian because the faith you have now is useless and dead. Seek God with all of your heart until you are ready. If you are not willing to do this, then renounce your faith and carry on as usual. You might as well stop acting.

Yes, are willing to give it all up? Do so right now. Cry out earnestly to God. You know what you are holding on to. Give up your thoughts of honor, self-esteem, pride. Your family and friends are going to see you as a strange guy now. You will no longer be able to carry yourself as you used to. You won't be living for yourself any more. Let it all go. All the bad habits you want to keep? The looking/lusting at women? Those ungodly HBO/Showtime TV shows with the violence and vulgarity? Cast it off before the throne of God. Remember this: "What will it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?" Following Jesus will cost you nothing but it will cost you everything. Lay down your hopes and ambitions at the throne of God.

Until you do this, you cannot follow Christ. Take up your cross--that brutal, heavy instrument of death--and crucify the flesh so that God can live within you. Present yourself as a living sacrifice to God.

When you do this, the problem you mentioned will burn away. But until you do this, you will carry a useless, meaningless faith that will not profit you in the day of death. Quite similar to what many people on this site have. But do not let them fool you or persuade you otherwise. The word of God is quite evident--you need to die to yourself. Until you come to the end of yourself, you will not know God.
How is it that your post contains so much truth and it still manages to come across as holier-than-thou?
 
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Ecclesiastik

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How is it that your post contains so much truth and it still manages to come across as holier-than-thou?
It might be a little too close to home. Truth is confronting. The word of God cuts people to ribbons. It leaves them either two options. Go away feeling hurt and nursing their wounds or kneel, repent, and be built back up by God.

I'm not here to promote myself but Jesus Christ.
 

Tinkerbell725

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I feel the same way. I don't know of a good solution. Everything I want to do is a sin. I feel bored. I want to be free.

Sin is like neon lights, so attractive and never boring but everything about it is a lie. The devil made it that way so be wise not to be lured for wages of sin is death so its not worth it. May you find joy and greater freedom in your Christian walk.
 
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Tintin

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It might be a little too close to home. Truth is confronting. The word of God cuts people to ribbons. It leaves them either two options. Go away feeling hurt and nursing their wounds or kneel, repent, and be built back up by God.

I'm not here to promote myself but Jesus Christ.
True, true. But you rarely if ever talk about your own struggles. It's always about everyone else's sins. That's what I find distasteful, not God's Word.
 
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Ecclesiastik

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True, true. But you rarely if ever talk about your own struggles. It's always about everyone else's sins. That's what I find distasteful, not God's Word.
You're welcome to send a message if you want to know or start a new thread. But I don't hear much about older member's problems on here myself. I don't chalk that up to self-righteousness, but to preference. Not everyone wants to start threads about what's going on in their life on Christian Chat. I do occasionally but I prefer to talk to individuals than to an anonymous audience.

This is actually like my third account. I think the first one I had was when I was like 16. I forgot the password and had to make a new one. For that first account I did mostly come on for advice. Even as the young, dumb, immature Christian I was, I noticed there wasn't a lot of folks on here who were running hard after Christ and it disturbed me.
 

MisterHarmony

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Sin is like neon lights, so attractive and never boring but everything about it is a lie. The devil made it that way so be wise not to be lured for wages of sin is death so its not worth it. May you find joy and greater freedom in your Christian walk.
Thank you.
 

MisterHarmony

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It sounds like you (and the OP, if this is what he is also stating) have fallen into the trap of modern day cultural Christianity. You'll find a good deal of friends in here who have similar beliefs and feelings--even if they will not openly and bluntly admit it as you yourself have.

This is a sort of religion that never touches a person's soul. It knows nothing of living a crucified life or dying to one's self. The old man is still alive and lusting for the things that God hates. This often manifests itself in the fruits of the flesh in the lives of Christians who aren't really transformed from the inside out. They are reading the Bible and going to church and trying to do the things that both of those things tell them to do.

Are you willing to give it all up for Christ, my friends? No? Then no longer think of yourself as a Christian because the faith you have now is useless and dead. Seek God with all of your heart until you are ready. If you are not willing to do this, then renounce your faith and carry on as usual. You might as well stop acting.

Yes, are willing to give it all up? Do so right now. Cry out earnestly to God. You know what you are holding on to. Give up your thoughts of honor, self-esteem, pride. Your family and friends are going to see you as a strange guy now. You will no longer be able to carry yourself as you used to. You won't be living for yourself any more. Let it all go. All the bad habits you want to keep? The looking/lusting at women? Those ungodly HBO/Showtime TV shows with the violence and vulgarity? Cast it off before the throne of God. Remember this: "What will it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?" Following Jesus will cost you nothing but it will cost you everything. Lay down your hopes and ambitions at the throne of God.

Until you do this, you cannot follow Christ. Take up your cross--that brutal, heavy instrument of death--and crucify the flesh so that God can live within you. Present yourself as a living sacrifice to God.

When you do this, the problem you mentioned will burn away. But until you do this, you will carry a useless, meaningless faith that will not profit you in the day of death. Quite similar to what many people on this site have. But do not let them fool you or persuade you otherwise. The word of God is quite evident--you need to die to yourself. Until you come to the end of yourself, you will not know God.
Is this the message you sent yourself to become saved? You mentioned nothing of Gods glory. All you have said is "do this" "don't do that" "you must do this or you know nothing about God".
You say pick up the heavy brutal instrument. And what if our souls seek rest from our burden. You have not said Christ will help with that. Who are you inviting to Gods table with talks of near impossible burden?
Are you offended that Christ sat with sinners?
 
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Is this the message you sent yourself to become saved? You mentioned nothing of Gods glory. All you have said is "do this" "don't do that" "you must do this or you know nothing about God".
You say pick up the heavy brutal instrument. And what if our souls seek rest from our burden. You have not said Christ will help with that. Who are you inviting to Gods table with talks of near impossible burden?
Are you offended that Christ sat with sinners?
MH:"What if our souls seek rest from our burden?"

E: "When you do this, the problem you mentioned will burn away."

The burden that you have will roll away when you put focus your eyes upon Jesus. Christianity is full of paradoxes. Until you pick up your cross, your burden will still be upon your shoulders. Until you die, you will not live. Want to gain heaven? Give up everything.


MH: All you have said is "do this, don't do that."

E: "They are just reading the Bible and going to church and trying to do the things that both of those things tell them to do"

The essence of the problem that I was trying to describe is that people see Christianity as a chore list...as your original post seemed to suggest. As such, they live as if the Holy Spirit does not exist and do everything by the flesh. They drool over sin and claw at it. They usually do the bare minimum they believe is required to get to heaven and indulge in all sorts of ungodly things and if confronted with the questionable behavior they say: "Show me in the Bible where it says I can't do this!" As their conscience is seared by this, they usually try to make up for it with good deeds and charitable works.

Anywho, the essence of what I am saying is that you, I, and all of us need to come to the end of ourselves or we will always be on the struggle bus.

And no. I'm not offended that Christ sat with sinners. I've spent an amount of time spreading the Gospel to people who many Christians have turned their backs to.
 

blue_ladybug

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The negative attitude you present in your OP is a big factor in why you feel so hateful toward God. Your situation aint gonna change until your attitude does, my friend!! You can be as angry and scornful and resentful as you want to, but it won't change anything until you change your attitude and humble yourself before God. Life is not a pleasant bowl of peaches. You gotta take the good with the bad, and be thankful for the bad times, because they define who you are. You can learn from your difficulties, or let them beat you down.
 

MisterHarmony

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MH:"What if our souls seek rest from our burden?"

E: "When you do this, the problem you mentioned will burn away."

The burden that you have will roll away when you put focus your eyes upon Jesus. Christianity is full of paradoxes. Until you pick up your cross, your burden will still be upon your shoulders. Until you die, you will not live. Want to gain heaven? Give up everything.


MH: All you have said is "do this, don't do that."

E: "They are just reading the Bible and going to church and trying to do the things that both of those things tell them to do"

The essence of the problem that I was trying to describe is that people see Christianity as a chore list...as your original post seemed to suggest. As such, they live as if the Holy Spirit does not exist and do everything by the flesh. They drool over sin and claw at it. They usually do the bare minimum they believe is required to get to heaven and indulge in all sorts of ungodly things and if confronted with the questionable behavior they say: "Show me in the Bible where it says I can't do this!" As their conscience is seared by this, they usually try to make up for it with good deeds and charitable works.

Anywho, the essence of what I am saying is that you, I, and all of us need to come to the end of ourselves or we will always be on the struggle bus.

And no. I'm not offended that Christ sat with sinners. I've spent an amount of time spreading the Gospel to people who many Christians have turned their backs to.
Okay. What more can I give up?
 
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Ecclesiastik

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Okay. What more can I give up?
All things and everything, my friend.

I had an agnostic friend who was pondering becoming a Christian. He said he wanted to keep being the same person and asked if that was okay. That is simply our natural desire but it cannot be fulfilled. You have to give yourself up.

Once again, it is not a laundry list of what you have done and what you have not done. It's a matter of lying your hopes and dreams and your whole being in front of the throne of God.

There will be fruit if you have done this. Your behaviors will start changing and you will start growing more and more like Christ. But the fruit itself does not save you. It is simply a sign that you are as you say you are.
 

Lynx

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Okay. What more can I give up?
For some reason I'm reminded of when Samuel Clemens (Mark Twain) was doing what, in modern times, would be stand-up comedy. He was talking about all the vices he had, smoking, drinking, cussing, etc. He said he knew an old lady, about 92 years old, who started going downhill health-wise, and going down fast.

"Well have you tried giving up smoking?"
"I never have smoked" said the lady.
"Have you tried giving up drinking?"
"I've never started it."
"Have you tried giving up swearing?"
"I've never cussed in my life."

"Well... that's the problem then. If you don't have any vices there's nowhere really to go from there. If you're sick and you don't have any vices to give up, it's like a ship that's going down and it doesn't have any cargo to throw overboard. She'd probably still be alive today if she had had some vices to give up."
 

jandian

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there is no freedom without the law