Genesis 1 & 2 From a Different Perspective

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Bakit lubhang napkahalaga ng inyong mga titulo mga PARI,OBISPO,Pastors at Reverend? ipinalalagay nyo bang mas mataas pa ang antas ng inyong posisyun kesa s BANAL NA ISPIRITO? mas nakbabatid ba kyo ng nilalaman ng isip at damdamin ng banal na ispirito,,, Alam natin na walang dakila sa lahat ni lahat tyo ay nagkasala,, OO hindi kayo exempted dun mga Pastors at Reverend sapagkat tyo ay nadaya, sapagkat nsa Banal na Ispirito ang ating karunungan, maging ang ministeryo ay Sya at hndi tayo,, OO nagaral tyo pero lahat ng trabaho para sa ating pamumuhay, pag asa, pananampalataya ay nkaasa sa Banal na Ispirito ,, Mag isip kayo mga Leaders ng Iglesia,, Cno ba ang dapat maging Bida dito kayong natalaga ba dahil s Bible School o Banal na Ispirito na Syang Nagtuturo s atin khit s pananalangin,, o sa mga iglesia at simbahan na kayo ang nagnais magtayo ,, alam ntin natin na winasaka ni kristo ang literal n simbahan at templo upang ilagay sa ating mga puso kasama ang leading ng banal na ispirito,,I urge you Pastors and Reverend ibigay sa Diyos lang ang nag iisang Papuri,, at sa Banal na Ispirito ang Panganagasiwa ng mga kaluluwa,,,


At mga miyembro ng inyong mga local Church ,, Kayoy gumising sa katotohanan ,, C Kristo lang daan natin SA KALIGTASAN AT GABAY SA MAAYOS NA PAMUMUHAY ,, Sya lang ang may dala ng katotohan ng ating kaligtasan at maayos na pamumuhay habang sa tulong ng Banal na ispirito sa ilalim ng kanyang Habag Di natin hahayaan na may ibng lider pa n susunod liban kay kristo,, Walang ibng tagapagturo liban sa Banal na Ispirito,,,,Alin oo may naging TAGAPAMAGITAN tyo sa Ama at sa mga tao un ay si Kristo pero meron bang Tgapamagitan pa,, meron ang Banal Na Ispirito tapos ano Tagapamagitan ba kayo mga pastors at reverend Ng BANAL NA ISPIRITO BA,,,? OOOOWSSSS,,,, Tulad ng cnbi ng Diyos sa halamanan ng eden kina adan ng sabihin nilang clay hubad,, CNO NAGSABI SYO?


IN Jesus Name gumising kayo,, Si kristo lang ang Nag iisang Pastol at ang ANG BANAL NA ISPIRITO lang nagiisang TAGAPAGTURO,,, CNO KAYO MGA PASTORS AT REVEREND upang PANGUNAHAN ANG BANAL NA ISPIRITO? Tyo ang templo ng Diyos at sa atin naninirahan ang Banal na Ispirito,, Sa dala o 3 nagkatipon dun sa gitna si Kristo,, Ano klaseng pagtitipon ang itinuturo nyo sa karamihan ba,,, sa dalawa lang po,, sann ang pagtitpon sa building b?? Alam nyo na ,,


TRIVIA...


Katuwa tlaga ang humblesness ng mga apostles, ni hindi nila hinayaaan na mabago ang tawag sa kanila khit halos cila ang ginamit na mging instrument para maisulat ang ebanghelyo,, nanatiling PEDRO,PABLO at ibp ang name nila ,,samantalang ang tagapagturo natin sa church ay lubhang gumamait ng mga titulo n higit pa s kanila tulad ng PASTOR,, Reverend at ibp d man yun pangalan nila lalo pag gnmit s faith ,,


PURIHIN SI KRISTO SA KANYANG PAGLILIGTAS,, AT SA NAGIISANG COMFORTER NATIN AT PAGASA NA BANAL NA ISPIRITO NA TANGING INIWAN NI KRISTO NG UMAKAYAT SYA SA LANGIT,, SO SINO KAYO MGA ESKRIBA,PARISEYO, MGA PARI AT OBISPO,, MGA PASTOR AT REVEREND??? GUMISING NA KAYO ,,,TRUTH SHALL SET YOU FREE
 

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Meron po ho ba kayo na alam na pastor at mangangaral na pinapangunahan ang Banal na Espiritu?

Thank you?
 
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Genesis 6tells us of micro-evolution or descent with modification. It shows that the combination of the sons of God (prehistoric mankind) and Adam's daughters produced mighty men of old …. men of renown. Micro-Evolution or descent with Modification happens every time a baby is born.

Genesis 6:1 And it came to pass
,WHEN MEN BEGAN TO MULTIPLY ON THE FACE OF THE EARTH, and daughters were born unto them, v2 That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they [were] fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.

v4 There were GIANTS in the earth in those days; AND ALSO AFTER THAT, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare [children] to them, the same [became] mighty men which [were] of old, men of renown.

The theory from a different Biblical perspective continues:

All of the sons of God, on the first world drowned, but the other sons of God,who were here, also Created, from the water, on the 5th Day,
Gen 1:21, have been inhabiting this Planet for Millions of years. They are called Prehistoric, by our scientists, but sons of God, by God.

AND ALSO AFTER THATwas a prophecy…. Justas it happened on the first world, the descendant daughters of the sons of God,married the grandsons of Noah, and produced offspring….. and inherited the Human Intelligence of Adam. They also became mighty men of old.

Agriculture and city building were the first signs of Human Intelligence, onthis Planet. History records that Human Civilization began, on this Earth, with Noah's great grandsons some 10K years ago.

If Noah had not been RAPTURED and brought to our planet after their world was destroyed by the universal flood, we would still be innocent Ape.....because, the theory of Macro-Evolution does NOT produce Humans. Human Intelligence must be inherited from another Human..... since we are all confine to our own kinds, based on the Scripture.


God Bless
There are many Religionists who continue to teach their doctrinal faith (which is based only on wild imagination of men) that the sons of God were Angels (???).

However, the context of the verse below completely eliminates Angels since the LORD is speaking of His disgust when He saw Humankind (Adam's descendants) begin to marry the sons of God (prehistoric people) which HE knew would bring Violence and Death to Human kind, for thousands of years into the FUTURE. That is when He cut Human lifespans almost 90%. The older a heathen gets, the meaner he gets.

Gen 6:3 And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with MAN, for that he ALSO is FLESH: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.

Angels are NOT Flesh, but sons of God were (prehistoric people). Gen 6:4
 
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No man has seen the Almighty God Father...the Invisible Spirit of Love, at any time........ but Shadrack, Meshesh, andAbednigo, who were with the LORD God in the fiery furnace, will tell you they saw our Lord (Jehovah), for He is the Only Begotten Son and the Express Image of the Invisible Spirit of God, bodily (physically).

In fact, even king Nebuchadnezzar, himself, who ordered the execution of the three men…. Shadrack, Meshesh, and Abednigo …. was astonished when he saw four men..... and that the forth man was the likeness of the Son of God….

Look and read......

Daniel 3:23 - And these three men, Shadrach Meshach, and Abednego, fell down bound into the midst of the burning fiery furnace.

v24 Then Nebuchadnezzar the king was astonied, and rose up in haste, [and]spake, and said unto his counsellors, Did not we cast three men bound into the midst of the fire? They answered and said unto the king, True, O king.

v25 He answered and said, Lo, I see four men loose, walking in the midst of the fire, and they have no hurt;
and the form of the fourth is like the Son of God.

Of course, the begging question now becomes….. How king Nebuchadnezzar could have known the physical existense or thelikeness of the Son of God in the Old Testament!?…. while most of our Christian brethren, “even unto this day, when Moses is read, the vail is upon their heart”.

"Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me." John 5:39

God Bless

Hi sir Seve,

Let me asks the same, How did King Nebuchadnezar could have known the existence or the likeness the Son of God in OT? I ask because this is one of the question being brought out in the Bible Discussion Forum lately.

Any input... thanks
 

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There are many Religionists who continue to teach their doctrinal faith (which is based only on wild imagination of men) that the sons of God were Angels (???).

However, the context of the verse below completely eliminates Angels since the LORD is speaking of His disgust when He saw Humankind (Adam's descendants) begin to marry the sons of God (prehistoric people) which HE knew would bring Violence and Death to Human kind, for thousands of years into the FUTURE. That is when He cut Human lifespans almost 90%. The older a heathen gets, the meaner he gets.

Gen 6:3 And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with MAN, for that he ALSO is FLESH: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.

Angels are NOT Flesh, but sons of God were (prehistoric people). Gen 6:4
Hi Sir Seve,

I think, it is not really a part of a major doctrine that someone may interpret that the sons of God refers to angel as some Christians do. The "sons of God" has been used and found in the Bible as

1. sons of God refers to angels (Job 1:6;Job 2;1; Job 38:7)
2.sons of God refers to believers of today (John 1:12; Philippians 2:15)

However, these only are minor and moot point.

God bless.
 

fredoheaven

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There are many Religionists who continue to teach their doctrinal faith (which is based only on wild imagination of men) that the sons of God were Angels (???).

However, the context of the verse below completely eliminates Angels since the LORD is speaking of His disgust when He saw Humankind (Adam's descendants) begin to marry the sons of God (prehistoric people) which HE knew would bring Violence and Death to Human kind, for thousands of years into the FUTURE. That is when He cut Human lifespans almost 90%. The older a heathen gets, the meaner he gets.

Gen 6:3 And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with MAN, for that he ALSO is FLESH: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.

Angels are NOT Flesh, but sons of God were (prehistoric people). Gen 6:4
Hi Sir Seve,

I know Adam's descendant but who are those "prehistoric people? Are there a class of people aside from Adam? Alien or what? Another thing, did the marriage brought death to human kind or death was passed to all when Adam sinned?

Thanks
 

fredoheaven

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Genesis 6tells us of micro-evolution or descent with modification. It shows that the combination of the sons of God (prehistoric mankind) and Adam's daughters produced mighty men of old …. men of renown. Micro-Evolution or descent with Modification happens every time a baby is born.

Genesis 6:1 And it came to pass
,WHEN MEN BEGAN TO MULTIPLY ON THE FACE OF THE EARTH, and daughters were born unto them, v2 That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they [were] fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.

v4 There were GIANTS in the earth in those days; AND ALSO AFTER THAT, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare [children] to them, the same [became] mighty men which [were] of old, men of renown.

The theory from a different Biblical perspective continues:

All of the sons of God, on the first world drowned, but the other sons of God,who were here, also Created, from the water, on the 5th Day, Gen 1:21, have been inhabiting this Planet for Millions of years. They are called Prehistoric, by our scientists, but sons of God, by God.

AND ALSO AFTER THATwas a prophecy…. Justas it happened on the first world, the descendant daughters of the sons of God,married the grandsons of Noah, and produced offspring….. and inherited the Human Intelligence of Adam. They also became mighty men of old.

Agriculture and city building were the first signs of Human Intelligence, onthis Planet. History records that Human Civilization began, on this Earth, with Noah's great grandsons some 10K years ago.

If Noah had not been RAPTURED and brought to our planet after their world was destroyed by the universal flood, we would still be innocent Ape.....because, the theory of Macro-Evolution does NOT produce Humans. Human Intelligence must be inherited from another Human..... since we are all confine to our own kinds, based on the Scripture.


God Bless
I see some problem here...when God brought judgment by means of flood, no one was able to escaped only the 8 souls. If the 8 souls were the ones who were saved by the time, do you think of any other creature that God created not affected by the flood? Humans? No. Fishes, whales every living moving creatures here in earth? No. So that might fall to possibly angels...:)
 
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Hi sir Seve,

Let me asks the same, How did King Nebuchadnezar could have known the existence or the likeness the Son of God in OT? I ask because this is one of the question being brought out in the Bible Discussion Forum lately.

Any input... thanks
Dear Fred,

The Son of God (YHWH/Jesus) was with the invisible Almighty Father BEFORE the Making of our physical world. He came forth (begotten), the first time, into our physical world from the invisible realm of his Father, when God spoke the “Word” in the Beginning and said, “LET THERE BE LIGHT”, and there was light. (Gen. 1:3).

YHWH, the Son, became the only God physically formed or ever shall be physically formed for us to see and witness. He is the great I AM" of the Old Testament - who became known as Jesus Christ in the New Testament.

Isa 43:10 Ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD (YHWH), and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am He: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me.

To be witnessed is to be seen in physical form. Before Him, there's no God physically formed; neither there shall be after Him.

In fact, YHWH, the Son, has been seen and witnessed, on several occasions, by his chosen people in the Old Testament - representing the express image of His invisible Father, bodily - to serve his purpose.

Note: The Almighty God Father is an invisible Spirit without physical shape or form and changes not.
 
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Hi Sir Seve,

I think, it is not really a part of a major doctrine that someone may interpret that the sons of God refers to angel as some Christians do. The "sons of God" has been used and found in the Bible as

1. sons of God refers to angels (Job 1:6;Job 2;1; Job 38:7)
2.sons of God refers to believers of today (John 1:12; Philippians 2:15)

However, these only are minor and moot point.

God bless.
Dear Fred,

The "sons of God" being referred to in your cited text - Job 1:6; 2:1; 38:7 - were Prehistoric mankind of the 1st heaven - the world of Adam that was totally destroyed during Noah' Flood.

There was a day, the sons of God presented themselves before the Lord and Satan ALSO came among them. It was also during the completion of the making of our own present earth / world (2nd) - for inhabitation thereof - when the morning stars sang together and all the sons of God shouted for joy (Job 38:7).

As far as we are concerned, we live in a Multiverse located in different dimension.

The first heaven was the world of Adam - Gen 1:6-8 - It was completely destroyed and dissolved in the water / flood.
The 2nd heaven is our world and reserved for fire and also shall be dissolved with fervent heat.
The 3rd heaven or world will be the New heaven and the new earth of Rev. 21

God bless
 
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Hi Sir Seve,

I know Adam's descendant but who are those "prehistoric people? Are there a class of people aside from Adam? Alien or what? Another thing, did the marriage brought death to human kind or death was passed to all when Adam sinned?

Thanks
Dear Fred,

No, the sons of God were NOT alien - see post # 14. They (sons of God) were the moving creature that has life brought forth from the waters, abundantly - Gen. 1:21. Science finally agree that all living creature / species originated from the waters.

Yes, death passed to all men because Adam sinned and found himself in a body of a Flesh that is corruptible.

The forming of the union between the sons of God and the daughters of men cut the lifespan of human kind by 90%.

Gen 6:3 And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with MAN, for that he ALSO is FLESH: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.

 
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I see some problem here...when God brought judgment by means of flood, no one was able to escaped only the 8 souls. If the 8 souls were the ones who were saved by the time, do you think of any other creature that God created not affected by the flood? Humans? No. Fishes, whales every living moving creatures here in earth? No. So that might fall to possibly angels...:)
Dear Fred,

The flood did NOT happen in this earth/world of ours. It happened on the 1st physical heaven or world which is beyond our universe.

The world of Adam had only 4 Rivers, while our earth has thousands of Rivers all over this wold. The highest elevation of Adams world was only 15 cubits high (22 1/2 feet) and considered flat earth .... while our world highest mountain elevation is more than six thousand feet.

We live in a Multiverse, you see, as far as humanity is concerned.
 
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Dear Fred,

The Son of God (YHWH/Jesus) was with the invisible Almighty Father BEFORE the Making of our physical world. He came forth (begotten), the first time, into our physical world from the invisible realm of his Father, when God spoke the “Word” in the Beginning and said, “LET THERE BE LIGHT”, and there was light. (Gen. 1:3).

YHWH, the Son, became the only God physically formed or ever shall be physically formed for us to see and witness. He is the great I AM" of the Old Testament - who became known as Jesus Christ in the New Testament.

Isa 43:10 Ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD (YHWH), and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am He: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me.

To be witnessed is to be seen in physical form. Before Him, there's no God physically formed; neither there shall be after Him.

In fact, YHWH, the Son, has been seen and witnessed, on several occasions, by his chosen people in the Old Testament - representing the express image of His invisible Father, bodily - to serve his purpose.

Note: The Almighty God Father is an invisible Spirit without physical shape or form and changes not.
Genesis 1:26 & 27 (KJV) And God said, let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
 
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Dear Fred,

The flood did NOT happen in this earth/world of ours. It happened on the 1st physical heaven or world which is beyond our universe.

The world of Adam had only 4 Rivers, while our earth has thousands of Rivers all over this wold. The highest elevation of Adams world was only 15 cubits high (22 1/2 feet) and considered flat earth .... while our world highest mountain elevation is more than six thousand feet.

We live in a Multiverse, you see, as far as humanity is concerned.
Where are you getting this stuff?
 

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Dear Fred,

In fact, YHWH, the Son, has been seen and witnessed, on several occasions, by his chosen people in the Old Testament - representing the express image of His invisible Father, bodily - to serve his purpose.

Note: The Almighty God Father is an invisible Spirit without physical shape or form and changes not.
Hi sir Seve,

I ask, how did King of Babylon( not in reference to "his chosen people") came to know it was the Son of God?

Thanks for any input...
 

fredoheaven

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Dear Fred,

No, the sons of God were NOT alien - see post # 14. They (sons of God) were the moving creature that has life brought forth from the waters, abundantly - Gen. 1:21. Science finally agree that all living creature / species originated from the waters.


Are you making a point that we need to believe in science rather than the scriptures? Ummm... BTW, have you read that in the scriptures that there "science falsely so called?"
 

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As far as we are concerned, we live in a Multiverse located in different dimension.

The first heaven was the world of Adam - Gen 1:6-8 - It was completely destroyed and dissolved in the water / flood.
The 2nd heaven is our world and reserved for fire and also shall be dissolved with fervent heat.
The 3rd heaven or world will be the New heaven and the new earth of Rev. 21


God bless
Hi sir Seve,

Are you sure 100% of this stuff? Scriptures please/

Thank you.
 

fredoheaven

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Dear Fred,

The flood did NOT happen in this earth/world of ours. It happened on the 1st physical heaven or world which is beyond our universe.

The world of Adam had only 4 Rivers, while our earth has thousands of Rivers all over this wold. The highest elevation of Adams world was only 15 cubits high (22 1/2 feet) and considered flat earth .... while our world highest mountain elevation is more than six thousand feet.

We live in a Multiverse, you see, as far as humanity is concerned.
Alright, this maybe a bad perspective.

Thank you kuya Seve, taga saan po kayo d2 pinas, ciguro po Prof po kau ng isang kilalang school or university.. but thanks anyway
 
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Where are you getting this stuff?

A Multiverse is composed of 2 or more Universes.

Gen. 1:6-8 tells us the first world (Universe-Cosmos-Heaven) was made on the SECOND Day.

Gen. 2:4 shows that other HeavenS (Heaven is defined in Gen. 1:8) were made on the THIRD Day. That is 3 firmaments or boundaries of a Heaven (Cosmos, Universe-world) made by the 3rd Day.

Isa 65:17 For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind.

Rev 21:1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.

v2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.

Our God is an awesome God.
 
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Hi sir Seve,

I ask, how did King of Babylon( not in reference to "his chosen people") came to know it was the Son of God?

Thanks for any input...
As I have posted, the Son of God appeared in physical form ... on several occasion in the OT to be seen and witnessed.

God will chose any person as he pleases... to serve his purpose - whether they are good or bad people - it does not matter.... therefore, they are called "chosen people".
 
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