What is your take about the petition to bring back the death penalty in the Phil.

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Patnubay

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A. Your take as a Filipino. Why?

B. Your take as a Christian. Why?
 
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xeniego

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A. Your take as a Filipino.
I would definitely not allow death penalty because anyone has the chance to change, it's just a matter of how we help them change for the good. We value family, but sometimes we overrate this valuing system too much in that we treat other people as outcasts, when actually they are part of our community.

B. Your take as a Christian.
It is written, THOU SHALL NOT KILL. The greatest commandment was LOVE, with it comes forgiveness and then reconciliation. Think about it,
he is also a lost lamb whom God is continually trying to lead to the right direction. He is a brother/sister whom we need to share God's love.

Don't we all deserve that death penalty if Jesus did not die on the cross?
But he did, right?

The only thing for us to do first is to be slow to anger, quick to forgive.
 

Patnubay

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A. Your take as a Filipino.
I would definitely not allow death penalty because anyone has the chance to change, it's just a matter of how we help them change for the good. We value family, but sometimes we overrate this valuing system too much in that we treat other people as outcasts, when actually they are part of our community.

B. Your take as a Christian.
It is written, THOU SHALL NOT KILL. The greatest commandment was LOVE, with it comes forgiveness and then reconciliation. Think about it,
he is also a lost lamb whom God is continually trying to lead to the right direction. He is a brother/sister whom we need to share God's love.

Don't we all deserve that death penalty if Jesus did not die on the cross?
But he did, right?

The only thing for us to do first is to be slow to anger, quick to forgive.
Nice. A beautiful way to put it.
 
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biscuit

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B. Your take as a Christian. Why?

God has given governments the authority to use the death penalty when justifiable. Here in the USA, the death penalty is a 'political weapon' used too often for politically reasons. It is widely believe here that many may have been executed falsely and some on death row are innocent. Many prisoners have been released in recent years because of false evidence & testimony. When prosecutors purposely set up an innocent convict to be executed, it is a form of murder. Some states are very reluctant to use the penalty today because of a corrupt judicial & criminal justice system. Most prisoners who are executed here are of a minority race or ethnic group, mainly African-Americans.

When used properly & correctly, I am for the death penalty.
 
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biscuit

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[h=1]What does the Bible say about the death penalty / capital punishment?[/h]
Question: "What does the Bible say about the death penalty / capital punishment?"

Answer:
The Old Testament law commanded the death penalty for various acts: murder (Exodus 21:12), kidnapping (Exodus 21:16), bestiality (Exodus 22:19), adultery (Leviticus 20:10), homosexuality (Leviticus 20:13), being a false prophet (Deuteronomy 13:5), prostitution and rape (Deuteronomy 22:24), and several other crimes. However, God often showed mercy when the death penalty was due. David committed adultery and murder, yet God did not demand his life be taken (2 Samuel 11:1-5, 14-17; 2 Samuel 12:13). Ultimately, every sin we commit should result in the death penalty because the wages of sin is death (Romans 6:23). Thankfully, God demonstrates His love for us in not condemning us (Romans 5:8).

When the Pharisees brought a woman who was caught in the act of adultery to Jesus and asked Him if she should be stoned, Jesus replied, “If any one of you is without sin, let him be the first to throw a stone at her” (John 8:7). This should not be used to indicate that Jesus rejected capital punishment in all instances. Jesus was simply exposing the hypocrisy of the Pharisees. The Pharisees wanted to trick Jesus into breaking the Old Testament law; they did not truly care about the woman being stoned (where was the man who was caught in adultery?) God is the One who instituted capital punishment: “Whoever sheds man's blood, by man his blood shall be shed, for in the image of God He made man” (Genesis 9:6). Jesus would support capital punishment in some instances. Jesus also demonstrated grace when capital punishment was due (John 8:1-11). The apostle Paul definitely recognized the power of the government to institute capital punishment where appropriate (Romans 13:1-7).

How should a Christian view the death penalty? First, we must remember that God has instituted capital punishment in His Word; therefore, it would be presumptuous of us to think that we could institute a higher standard. God has the highest standard of any being; He is perfect. This standard applies not only to us but to Himself. Therefore, He loves to an infinite degree, and He has mercy to an infinite degree. We also see that He has wrath to an infinite degree, and it is all maintained in a perfect balance.

Second, we must recognize that God has given government the authority to determine when capital punishment is due (Genesis 9:6; Romans 13:1-7). It is unbiblical to claim that God opposes the death penalty in all instances. Christians should never rejoice when the death penalty is employed, but at the same time, Christians should not fight against the government’s right to execute the perpetrators of the most evil of crimes.

Recommended Resources: The Death Penalty on Trial: Taking a Life for a Life Taken by Ron Gleason and Logos Bible Software.
 

Patnubay

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B. Your take as a Christian. Why?

God has given governments the authority to use the death penalty when justifiable. Here in the USA, the death penalty is a 'political weapon' used too often for politically reasons. It is widely believe here that many may have been executed falsely and some on death row are innocent. Many prisoners have been released in recent years because of false evidence & testimony. When prosecutors purposely set up an innocent convict to be executed, it is a form of murder. Some states are very reluctant to use the penalty today because of a corrupt judicial & criminal justice system. Most prisoners who are executed here are of a minority race or ethnic group, mainly African-Americans.

When used properly & correctly, I am for the death penalty.
But there will always be human error or evil whenever human is involved. What is your position then?
 

watcher2013

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A. Your take as a Filipino. Why?

B. Your take as a Christian. Why?
Sino ba napaparusahan ng death Penalty??? Di ba yung mga karumaldumal na krimen...

As a Christian:
a Christian can forgive, but that doesn't mean the criminals asked for forgiveness... and evenif they asked, It does not mean that they are free from God judgment...the same way they are not free from the government way of judgment...
 
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biscuit

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But there will always be human error or evil whenever human is involved. What is your position then?
There are supposed to be safeguards to protect the basic rights of the accused . Too often that is abused because the accused too often has poor representation from attorneys who just don't care since they paid the same win or lose. The accused are supposedly have jurors of their peers and I would hardly think of 10 white jurors representing an anti Black district is fair & partial. Too often the prosecution will purposely withhold evidence from the defense attorney, mocking the criminal justice system. Sometimes the withheld evidence is crucial in freeing the accused. Whenever there is doubt in a case or unexplainable gaps, the death penalty phase should be on hold for judicial review. When one is poor and a minority, especially Black men, the judicial system becomes a circus environment since many of them are presume guilty instead of being innocent.

And we wonder why God is taking revenge against America for it corruption & evil. Just take a look how this once great country is falling apart so quickly.
 
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Sometimes God allows the laws of men for maintaining balance and fairness. Yes !! I agree with death penalty.
 

Patnubay

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There are supposed to be safeguards to protect the basic rights of the accused . Too often that is abused because the accused too often has poor representation from attorneys who just don't care since they paid the same win or lose. The accused are supposedly have jurors of their peers and I would hardly think of 10 white jurors representing an anti Black district is fair & partial. Too often the prosecution will purposely withhold evidence from the defense attorney, mocking the criminal justice system. Sometimes the withheld evidence is crucial in freeing the accused. Whenever there is doubt in a case or unexplainable gaps, the death penalty phase should be on hold for judicial review. When one is poor and a minority, especially Black men, the judicial system becomes a circus environment since many of them are presume guilty instead of being innocent.
Well, I've never read a history of any country without that injustice or abuse you mentioned.


we wonder why God is taking revenge against America for it corruption & evil. Just take a look how this once great country is falling apart so quickly.
You should see Europe. I believe Europe is getting the worse share than the US of A.
 

Patnubay

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Sometimes God allows the laws of men for maintaining balance and fairness. Yes !! I agree with death penalty.
Being a Christian, how would you justify your agreement to the death penalty in a country with a very poor record in just and fair judicial process. That there will be a great chance that the rich and powerful will never be subject to it.
 

maxwel

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I'll give my view... but I'm not a Filipino, so you're free to ignore me completely, lol.
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It seems that the death penalty is biblical, for certain kinds of crimes.

However, death penalties can easily be misused by any government that has corruption...
and as far I know, all governments have corruption.

It's a two-edged sword... it can be used for reasonable justice, or used corruptly.
There won't ever be perfect justice until Jesus comes back.
 

Patnubay

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I'll give my view... but I'm not a Filipino, so you're free to ignore me completely, lol.
: )


It seems that the death penalty is biblical, for certain kinds of crimes.

However, death penalties can easily be misused by any government that has corruption...
and as far I know, all governments have corruption.

It's a two-edged sword... it can be used for reasonable justice, or used corruptly.
There won't ever be perfect justice until Jesus comes back.
Because you're not a Filipino, I will give you my full attention because it is what our culture dictates.:)

It is also biblical to stone adulterers. We do not practice that anymore in the Philippines. And although corruption is present in all governments, our government, I believe, is worse than some.
 

jangel

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I am not in favor to bring back the death penalty, I always believe in giving a person a chance to change. But if our government decided to bring it back, then so be it.