How did Jesus' temporary punishment deliver me from an eternal punishment?

[OwenHeidenreich]

Jesus died a horrible death, don't get me wrong. But That death is not even a speck compared to eternity in flames.

So if he became my punishment for sins, why was it temporary if my sins deserve eternity?

For God made Christ, who never sinned, to be the offering for our sin, so that we could be made right with God through Christ.

God made him who had no sin to be sin for us, so that in him we might become the righteousness of God.

 

[RickShafer]

Answers in Red

Jesus died a horrible death, don't get me wrong. But That death is not even a speck compared to eternity in flames.{Because his life was perfect, He never sinned, and He obeyed the will of His Father(God) even to the death of the cross.}

So if he became my punishment for sins, why was it temporary if my sins deserve eternity?{Because His perfection is eternal}

For God made Christ, who never sinned, to be the offering for our sin, so that we could be made right with God through Christ.{Exactly, it's not a 99% proposition, It is total righteousness, He lived a human life without ever sinning}

God made him who had no sin to be sin for us, so that in him we might become the righteousness of God.{Yes, that perfection is worth more than all the other human good combined}

It's a matter of perfection. That's what makes His sacrifice Holy. He lived a perfect life. That's worth more than all the good from all of the rest of the imperfect lives combined. The Holiness is a matter of perfection and obedience.
In God's eyes, there is no semblance or substitute.

 

[MidniteWelder]

Jesus died a horrible death, don't get me wrong. But That death is not even a speck compared to eternity in flames.

So if he became my punishment for sins, why was it temporary if my sins deserve eternity?

For God made Christ, who never sinned, to be the offering for our sin, so that we could be made right with God through Christ.

God made him who had no sin to be sin for us, so that in him we might become the righteousness of God.

It says might become, not shall become
Might is permissive
While on the other hand if it was worded shall then it would be obligatory as in a duty or promise

What did Christ do different so that he did become
What did Christ ask of us if we love him? What is it dependent upon?
So many questions, yet so many answers God will provide...if we seek him

 

[crossnote]

The temporary suffering of an eternal God easily covers for the eternal punishment due to man, not just for one but for all mankind.

 

[Shiloah]

Jesus died a horrible death, don't get me wrong. But That death is not even a speck compared to eternity in flames.

So if he became my punishment for sins, why was it temporary if my sins deserve eternity?

For God made Christ, who never sinned, to be the offering for our sin, so that we could be made right with God through Christ.

God made him who had no sin to be sin for us, so that in him we might become the righteousness of God.

You come at this concept from any angle and it doesn't work. It's a bogus belief from every angle you look at it from. I can't believe how people fight to justify it. They apparently want sinners to suffer for time unending so bad....

 

[crossnote]

You come at this concept from any angle and it doesn't work. It's a bogus belief from every angle you look at it from. I can't believe how people fight to justify it. They apparently want sinners to suffer for time unending so bad....

There goes the first shot over the starboard!!

 

[RickShafer]

You come at this concept from any angle and it doesn't work. It's a bogus belief from every angle you look at it from. I can't believe how people fight to justify it. They apparently want sinners to suffer for time unending so bad....

Shiloah, you need to stop trampling the blood of Jesus with your idea of goodness.
Your idea of righteousness wouldn't even reach the first wrung on a 90 pentillion mile latter to heaven.(If there was such a thing).
- This is the natural mind reasoning within itself, measuring it's own perceived goodness and righteousness against a perfect God's.

 

[acesneverwin]

Well death is eternal... Jesus defeated death. I think of hell as a refining fire... only which is pure and holy can withstand the flames. That which is not pure, is destroyed completely (I don't believe in the burning forever in anguish to be honest and it doesn't make sense at all if you look at scripture but I'm not gonna get into that here...). So Jesus died and defeated death so that we may have life over death through Jesus Christ who died for us.

 

[clarkthompson]

Christ died for all but some will go to hell because they do not accept Him. Jesus died not to spared us from hell but so we can be in relationship with the Father which then will save us from hell. Christ's death restores the saving relationship.

 

[thecreationtutor]

Jesus died a horrible death, don't get me wrong. But That death is not even a speck compared to eternity in flames.

So if he became my punishment for sins, why was it temporary if my sins deserve eternity?

For God made Christ, who never sinned, to be the offering for our sin, so that we could be made right with God through Christ.

God made him who had no sin to be sin for us, so that in him we might become the righteousness of God.

God is infinite - we sin finite against an infinite God - it's no the size of the sin it's the size of our God.
Jesus is God - so His sacrifice and payment is enough to forgive me eternally

 

[starfield]

Jesus died a horrible death, don't get me wrong. But That death is not even a speck compared to eternity in flames. So if he became my punishment for sins, why was it temporary.....

Jesus had to resurrect therefore His punishment and death couldn't have been permanent. The resurrection of Christ is the cornerstone of Christianity as it verifies His deity as God in flesh; other religious leaders die and remain in the grave. His triumph over sin and death by His resurrection secures our victory so if He was still under punishment or dead we wouldn't have victory (1 Cor. 15:56-57), and lastly, it gives us hope of resurrection. Apostle Paul provided the significance of Christ's resurrection...
1 Cor. 15:13-20 (KJV)
13. But if there be no resurrection of the dead, then is Christ not risen:
14. And if Christ be not risen, then is our preaching vain, and your faith is also vain.
15. Yea, and we are found false witnesses of God; because we have testified of God that he raised up Christ: whom he raised not up, if so be that the dead rise not.
16. For if the dead rise not, then is not Christ raised:
17. And if Christ be not raised, your faith is vain; ye are yet in your sins.
18. Then they also which are fallen asleep in Christ are perished.
19. If in this life only we have hope in Christ, we are of all men most miserable.
20. But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept.

.....if my sins deserve eternity?

A crime (sin) against an Eternal God deserve an eternal punishment.

 

[jimmydiggs]

You come at this concept from any angle and it doesn't work. It's a bogus belief from every angle you look at it from. I can't believe how people fight to justify it. They apparently want sinners to suffer for time unending so bad....

They're gonna burn in hell forever under the wrath of a good and just God.


The thread question demonstrates owen doesn't know what atonement is.

 

[Bluecomet]

The answer is shedding of blood.

 

[4enlightment]

Jesus is a great teacher and He is the resurrection.

This video shows a person resurrecting and becoming born.



<strong>[video=youtube_share;8xXs7QFpHkM]http://youtu.be/8xXs7QFpHkM[/video]

 

[starfield]

The thread question demonstrates owen doesn't know what atonement is.

...but we are here to learn. Owen won't understand the atonement if he doesn’t ask questions.

 

[OwenHeidenreich]

these are great theories, I see one post with scriptural evidence, but none can answer my question with scripture.

If he, "took the punishment we deserve" then he would still be in hell right now.

 

[OwenHeidenreich]

Jesus had to resurrect therefore His punishment and death couldn't have been permanent. The resurrection of Christ is the cornerstone of Christianity as it verifies His deity as God in flesh; other religious leaders die and remain in the grave. His triumph over sin and death by His resurrection secures our victory so if He was still under punishment or dead we wouldn't have victory (1 Cor. 15:56-57), and lastly, it gives us hope of resurrection. Apostle Paul provided the significance of Christ's resurrection...
1 Cor. 15:13-20 (KJV)
13. But if there be no resurrection of the dead, then is Christ not risen:
14. And if Christ be not risen, then is our preaching vain, and your faith is also vain.
15. Yea, and we are found false witnesses of God; because we have testified of God that he raised up Christ: whom he raised not up, if so be that the dead rise not.
16. For if the dead rise not, then is not Christ raised:
17. And if Christ be not raised, your faith is vain; ye are yet in your sins.
18. Then they also which are fallen asleep in Christ are perished.
19. If in this life only we have hope in Christ, we are of all men most miserable.
20. But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept.


A crime (sin) against an Eternal God deserve an eternal punishment.

I can't find any hebrew or greek scripture to back that up

 

[MidniteWelder]

these are great theories, I see one post with scriptural evidence, but none can answer my question with scripture.

If he, "took the punishment we deserve" then he would still be in hell right now.

Have you asked God to reveal the answer that you seek?

 

[OwenHeidenreich]

my own conscience gets in the way :\

 

[zone]

these are great theories, I see one post with scriptural evidence, but none can answer my question with scripture.

If he, "took the punishment we deserve" then he would still be in hell right now.

that's ridiculous - without His Resurrection, there's no eternal life for all who are in Him.

these things are so because God declares them so.

it's His Plan.

really, in my mind standing before Him in All His Power and Holiness and seeing what could have been...then being sent away seems worse than eternal hell.