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Hello there owen, you asked a great question. And I want to share with you two links that I believe will help you with your question. I recommend you check out both of them:
Can A Translation Be Inspired by Sam Gipp
Can a translation be inspired?
Can A Translation Be The Inspired words of God? - By Will Kinney
http://brandplucked.m.webs.com/site...brandplucked.webs.com/translationinspired.htm
Can A Translation Be Inspired by Sam Gipp
Can a translation be inspired?
Can A Translation Be The Inspired words of God? - By Will Kinney
http://brandplucked.m.webs.com/site...brandplucked.webs.com/translationinspired.htm
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The Bible is God-breathed and infallible, but no, the English translations aren't inspired by God. They're translations of the God-inspired Hebrew, Greek and Aramaic originals. The translation process is difficult and not perfect, so there will never be a perfect translation. Still, God's message comes through loudly and clearly no matter what biblically-sound translation you use.
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They are translated from the Manuscripts. I dont remember the names of what they call the manuscripts used, when they translate,. It might be better to say God's word are inspired and are the truth. everyone translated from the Hebrew and Greek and even some aramaic manuscripts. Those Never change. But the english changes some times, and dose not carry in some small instances well the meaning of some things. But, for example, the KJV is a good translation, but even that one has some things that are hard to understand , because of the meanings dont carry over well from the Greek and Hebrew its translated from, into English.
Use The Strong's Exhaustive Concordance of the Bible, if you want to get closer to the Manuscripts ; it will allow you to notice the right way to translate it. without having to be a scholar of those languages
. Or a get a copy of the Manuscripts themselves :One of the best copies you can get are put together in a work called :
Green's Interlinear 4 Volume OT & NT - Hendrickson Publishing. its $120
i know one place u can buy it if interested let me know.
also, all copies of the Strongs are not made equal , for a recomended copy, contact me
Use The Strong's Exhaustive Concordance of the Bible, if you want to get closer to the Manuscripts ; it will allow you to notice the right way to translate it. without having to be a scholar of those languages
. Or a get a copy of the Manuscripts themselves :One of the best copies you can get are put together in a work called :
Green's Interlinear 4 Volume OT & NT - Hendrickson Publishing. its $120
i know one place u can buy it if interested let me know.
also, all copies of the Strongs are not made equal , for a recomended copy, contact me
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Also Owen you do realize that the original autographs had translations in them, don't you?
There are at least more than 60 inspired translations in the original autographs. How do I Know this? Simple. I will give you two examples where an inspired translation took place. Take Acts 21:40 and Acts 22:2.
When the Apostle Paul spoke to the people in the castle in that passage of Scrupure, it is said that Pail spoke to them in the Hebrew tongue.
Acts 21:40 KJV
And when he had given him licence, Paul stood on the stairs, and beckoned with the hand unto the people. And when there was made a great silence, he spake unto them in the Hebrew tongue, saying,
Acts 22:2 KJV
(And when they heard that he spake in the Hebrew tongue to them, they kept the more silence: and he saith,)
And yet the whole book of Acts was written in Koine Greek. There is one inspired translation.
And what about Joseph and his reunion with his brothers?
Genesis 42:21-23 KJV
And they said one to another, We are verily guilty concerning our brother, in that we saw the anguish of his soul, when he besought us, and we would not hear; therefore is this distress come upon us. [22] And Reuben answered them, saying, Spake I not unto you, saying, Do not sin against the child; and ye would not hear? therefore, behold, also his blood is required. [23] And they knew not that Joseph understood them ; for he spake unto them by an interpreter.
Now Owen, why Did Joseph speak to his brothers by an interpreter? Because Joseph spoke to them in the Egyptian tongue. And yet the whole book of Genesis was written in Hebrew. And there goes your second inspired translation.
And that is only two. There are many more inspired translations all through out the Scriptures. Like I said before, there are at least more than 60 of these inspired translations in the holy Scriptures. So by the standard of the word of God, a translation can be inspired.
There are at least more than 60 inspired translations in the original autographs. How do I Know this? Simple. I will give you two examples where an inspired translation took place. Take Acts 21:40 and Acts 22:2.
When the Apostle Paul spoke to the people in the castle in that passage of Scrupure, it is said that Pail spoke to them in the Hebrew tongue.
Acts 21:40 KJV
And when he had given him licence, Paul stood on the stairs, and beckoned with the hand unto the people. And when there was made a great silence, he spake unto them in the Hebrew tongue, saying,
Acts 22:2 KJV
(And when they heard that he spake in the Hebrew tongue to them, they kept the more silence: and he saith,)
And yet the whole book of Acts was written in Koine Greek. There is one inspired translation.
And what about Joseph and his reunion with his brothers?
Genesis 42:21-23 KJV
And they said one to another, We are verily guilty concerning our brother, in that we saw the anguish of his soul, when he besought us, and we would not hear; therefore is this distress come upon us. [22] And Reuben answered them, saying, Spake I not unto you, saying, Do not sin against the child; and ye would not hear? therefore, behold, also his blood is required. [23] And they knew not that Joseph understood them ; for he spake unto them by an interpreter.
Now Owen, why Did Joseph speak to his brothers by an interpreter? Because Joseph spoke to them in the Egyptian tongue. And yet the whole book of Genesis was written in Hebrew. And there goes your second inspired translation.
And that is only two. There are many more inspired translations all through out the Scriptures. Like I said before, there are at least more than 60 of these inspired translations in the holy Scriptures. So by the standard of the word of God, a translation can be inspired.
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Hence, seek and you shall find! I honestly believe that even after we accept Christ, we still have to seek the full knowledge of the truth to find it (not talking achieving salvation which is a free gift in Christ). I agree that to assume one English translation is better than another is a mistake. I've only taken two or three foreign language courses (and hardly remember one word of them, haha) but I do remember this: I was told numerous times by my instructors that words in one language can often times not fully be translated into another language because in the second language, there may not be a word to perfectly translate the full meaning from the first. I'm sure this problem exists in the ancient Hebrew to English and ancient Greek to English translations. So seekers must go to those original translations and examine all applicable meanings connected with the original words (as much as is possible, obviously).
I've also been told that you must read these things in context to truly appreciate their full meaning, which would mean you'd really need to learn to read ancient Hebrew as well as ancient Greek to fully comprehend their meaning. Not that I will accomplish that, but I sure intend to try.
To me, this is quite the adventure, because this one is real. We all love watching movies where they're searching for buried treasure. They follow all those clues in search of that treasure, against overwhelming odds, all that, until finally, they find their treasure! We all love that type of story. Right? Well this is a real adventure in search of a treasure worth more than anything in our wildest comprehension! Yes!
Once again, now don't get me wrong, I'm not talking about achieving salvation through Christ, which obviously is a free gift. I'm talking about coming to the full knowledge of the truth, which cannot be realized without the guidance of the Holy Spirit, Who is sent to us by Christ when we accept His gift. So alrighty then! Let's go get that treasure!
Sorry, obviously we don't even have the originals, but we've got texts I think in the original languages?
I've also been told that you must read these things in context to truly appreciate their full meaning, which would mean you'd really need to learn to read ancient Hebrew as well as ancient Greek to fully comprehend their meaning. Not that I will accomplish that, but I sure intend to try.
To me, this is quite the adventure, because this one is real. We all love watching movies where they're searching for buried treasure. They follow all those clues in search of that treasure, against overwhelming odds, all that, until finally, they find their treasure! We all love that type of story. Right? Well this is a real adventure in search of a treasure worth more than anything in our wildest comprehension! Yes!
Once again, now don't get me wrong, I'm not talking about achieving salvation through Christ, which obviously is a free gift. I'm talking about coming to the full knowledge of the truth, which cannot be realized without the guidance of the Holy Spirit, Who is sent to us by Christ when we accept His gift. So alrighty then! Let's go get that treasure!
Sorry, obviously we don't even have the originals, but we've got texts I think in the original languages?
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WELL, I think people have painted a too grim picture that is not that accurate. The Bible a good translation in the English , and Christian's that takes the time to pray to God for understanding and STUDIES the Word of God. Will Understand what is written. And fully understand anything in the Bible. BUT, to be safe, make sure you care enough about God to study the letter He sent.
Use a simple Strong's Exhaustive Concordance of the Bible, to help you, when a sentence or word suspect as word or sentence was not translated well. Or you need to understand a word in its Greek Hebrew or Aramaic meaning. Its that simple most of the time. Because, all the translations are done very well overall.
For example: Let's take the word "Easter" as used in the King James Version, which I use, here -
Acts 12:4
King James Version (KJV)
4 And when he had apprehended him, he put him in prison, and delivered him to four quaternions of soldiers to keep him; intending after [color=red[Easter[/color] to bring him forth to the people.
Now, the unsuspecting might read this in English, and not realizing This was translated from Greek, thinking this is what is in the Manuscripts .
But, a observant person , in time and study, would notice this does stick out, because it only appears Once, in the entire Bible.
In instances Like these, we are blessed by God to have access to good scholarly works such as, the Strong's Concordance of the Bible; which so happens, its numbering system, is keyed to the KJV.
So what you would do, is, Open to that word ""Easter"", in the Bible and see what it says In the Original Greek hand written copies :
Since you probably don't have one at home, use this decent online version :
Index - King James Bible with Strongs Dictionary - SpeedBible by johnhurt.com
At Acts 12:4. you will see the word the translators translated from : The word there is ""pasca"" . What dose that mean ?
Well, once you press that word there at that Online version, it will open a list of definitions : The very top Definition is the word for what you pressed , In this case ""Pasca"". This online version is not good easy to study with. So a printed version at home is better and easy to use.
This is the definition in Greek for the word used, In the hand written copies, all good, English bibles are translated from "
pasca
pascha
pas'-khah
of Chaldee origin (compare pecach 6453); the Passover (the meal, the day, the festival or the special sacrifices connected with it):--Easter, Passover.
To look deeper at the word, we look at the number there, ' 6453'
pecach
peh'-sakh
from 'pacach' (6452); a pretermission, i.e. exemption; used only techically of the Jewish Passover (the festival or the victim):--passover (offering).
And to take it to its primitive root 6452 :
pacach
paw-sakh'
a primitive root; to hop, i.e. (figuratively) skip over (or spare); by implication, to hesitate; also (literally) to limp, to dance:--halt, become lame, leap, pass over.
The word pecach is translated all times in the Bible as Passover. And it is the same word Pasca .
So a smart person sees this is a mistranslation . But with a little study, you are able to see the truth . It is not hard, it just takes a little study.
But the Christ and Salvation, and everything needed to Know God's word is gained by simply taking the time to study His word. And most translations are decent ones. I rather uses a KJV, with a Strong's when needed, because I know its a good translation, save a few places here and there that take a little study to see clearer . The Strong's E. C. I think is only, keyed to the KJV, that is another reason I use a KJV.
Use a simple Strong's Exhaustive Concordance of the Bible, to help you, when a sentence or word suspect as word or sentence was not translated well. Or you need to understand a word in its Greek Hebrew or Aramaic meaning. Its that simple most of the time. Because, all the translations are done very well overall.
For example: Let's take the word "Easter" as used in the King James Version, which I use, here -
Acts 12:4
King James Version (KJV)
4 And when he had apprehended him, he put him in prison, and delivered him to four quaternions of soldiers to keep him; intending after [color=red[Easter[/color] to bring him forth to the people.
Now, the unsuspecting might read this in English, and not realizing This was translated from Greek, thinking this is what is in the Manuscripts .
But, a observant person , in time and study, would notice this does stick out, because it only appears Once, in the entire Bible.
In instances Like these, we are blessed by God to have access to good scholarly works such as, the Strong's Concordance of the Bible; which so happens, its numbering system, is keyed to the KJV.
So what you would do, is, Open to that word ""Easter"", in the Bible and see what it says In the Original Greek hand written copies :
Since you probably don't have one at home, use this decent online version :
Index - King James Bible with Strongs Dictionary - SpeedBible by johnhurt.com
At Acts 12:4. you will see the word the translators translated from : The word there is ""pasca"" . What dose that mean ?
Well, once you press that word there at that Online version, it will open a list of definitions : The very top Definition is the word for what you pressed , In this case ""Pasca"". This online version is not good easy to study with. So a printed version at home is better and easy to use.
This is the definition in Greek for the word used, In the hand written copies, all good, English bibles are translated from "
pasca
pascha
pas'-khah
of Chaldee origin (compare pecach 6453); the Passover (the meal, the day, the festival or the special sacrifices connected with it):--Easter, Passover.
To look deeper at the word, we look at the number there, ' 6453'
pecach
peh'-sakh
from 'pacach' (6452); a pretermission, i.e. exemption; used only techically of the Jewish Passover (the festival or the victim):--passover (offering).
And to take it to its primitive root 6452 :
pacach
paw-sakh'
a primitive root; to hop, i.e. (figuratively) skip over (or spare); by implication, to hesitate; also (literally) to limp, to dance:--halt, become lame, leap, pass over.
The word pecach is translated all times in the Bible as Passover. And it is the same word Pasca .
So a smart person sees this is a mistranslation . But with a little study, you are able to see the truth . It is not hard, it just takes a little study.
But the Christ and Salvation, and everything needed to Know God's word is gained by simply taking the time to study His word. And most translations are decent ones. I rather uses a KJV, with a Strong's when needed, because I know its a good translation, save a few places here and there that take a little study to see clearer . The Strong's E. C. I think is only, keyed to the KJV, that is another reason I use a KJV.
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well its a hit and miss in some key locations, that are critical to understanding some important messages.
For example. The NASB translated the Acts 12: 4 to Passover . That is good. But like I said, its a hit and miss sometimes.
The KJV Translates for example : Ezekiel 13, following the subject of false teachers, and teachings, It fits well that God warns about the fly away doctrine .
But for some reason, The NASB hides that message, and translates the word to "birds'' rather then fly? .
Since the false teaching of rapture has become so popular , I think they took it upon themselves to change Ezekiel 13, to appease a false teaching.
The King James Version correctly renders the passage there as :
The chapter is about False teachers That come in God;s name, but God says, He did Not send them, nor did He give them any message.
Ezekiel 13:20
King James Version (KJV)
20 Wherefore thus saith the Lord God; Behold, I am against your pillows, wherewith ye there hunt the souls to make them fly, and I will tear them from your arms, and will let the souls go, even the souls that ye hunt to make them fly.
But the New American Standard Bible, falsely translates , this as :
Ezekiel 13:20
New American Standard Bible (NASB)
20 Therefore, thus says the Lord God, “Behold, I am against your magic bands by which you hunt [a]lives there as birds and I will tear them from your arms; and I will let [c]them go, even those [d]lives whom you hunt as [e]birds.
I do agree with one thing you said '' The truth is the only inspired word was the original manuscript. " And that is as far as I would go with you statement there.
The way you CAN see the manuscripts is with a Strongs E. C. Or getting a copy of the Manuscripts :
Green's Interlinear 4 Volume OT & NT - Hendrickson Publishing. its $120
But it does not say Magic bands in the manuscripts. Some one intentionally muddied that so that Christians would not be warned about the false teaching of rapture. Among other things.
With a Stongs, you can see it does not say magic bands in the Manuscripts, it says, coverings, over God;s out reaching hands of salvation and correction. They hide the truth. When you study that chapter.
The KJV is closest to the orginal meanings. there, not perfect all the time, But it beats out many of the new translations in Ezekiel 13... I wounder why too ?
But anyone who can follow a subject, and sees what the Hebrew there says, in that Eze 13 chapter, the whole chapter, you see some one is leading people astray in that chapter in the NASB
For example. The NASB translated the Acts 12: 4 to Passover . That is good. But like I said, its a hit and miss sometimes.
The KJV Translates for example : Ezekiel 13, following the subject of false teachers, and teachings, It fits well that God warns about the fly away doctrine .
But for some reason, The NASB hides that message, and translates the word to "birds'' rather then fly? .
Since the false teaching of rapture has become so popular , I think they took it upon themselves to change Ezekiel 13, to appease a false teaching.
The King James Version correctly renders the passage there as :
The chapter is about False teachers That come in God;s name, but God says, He did Not send them, nor did He give them any message.
Ezekiel 13:20
King James Version (KJV)
20 Wherefore thus saith the Lord God; Behold, I am against your pillows, wherewith ye there hunt the souls to make them fly, and I will tear them from your arms, and will let the souls go, even the souls that ye hunt to make them fly.
But the New American Standard Bible, falsely translates , this as :
Ezekiel 13:20
New American Standard Bible (NASB)
20 Therefore, thus says the Lord God, “Behold, I am against your magic bands by which you hunt [a]lives there as birds and I will tear them from your arms; and I will let [c]them go, even those [d]lives whom you hunt as [e]birds.
I do agree with one thing you said '' The truth is the only inspired word was the original manuscript. " And that is as far as I would go with you statement there.
The way you CAN see the manuscripts is with a Strongs E. C. Or getting a copy of the Manuscripts :
Green's Interlinear 4 Volume OT & NT - Hendrickson Publishing. its $120
But it does not say Magic bands in the manuscripts. Some one intentionally muddied that so that Christians would not be warned about the false teaching of rapture. Among other things.
With a Stongs, you can see it does not say magic bands in the Manuscripts, it says, coverings, over God;s out reaching hands of salvation and correction. They hide the truth. When you study that chapter.
The KJV is closest to the orginal meanings. there, not perfect all the time, But it beats out many of the new translations in Ezekiel 13... I wounder why too ?
But anyone who can follow a subject, and sees what the Hebrew there says, in that Eze 13 chapter, the whole chapter, you see some one is leading people astray in that chapter in the NASB
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I do Not believe in the rapture, because it is not in the manuscripts... Simple. Arnold Murray, teaches all Christian how to look into the Manuscripts for themselves. I wounder why he is the only one doing that ??? hmmm
The message is not there. It may appear at first glace to be there in the English. but IT is Not there in the Greek manuscripts it is taken from...
Anyone that teaches you to study into the Manuscripts and teaches you about the tools that easily allow you to study that, is a good thing.
But what dose it say about those that hide that from Christians ? It says, they are trying to Deceive Christians.
That is all I see from the majority . Deception, That will fly people into a bed with Satan himself.
The message is not there. It may appear at first glace to be there in the English. but IT is Not there in the Greek manuscripts it is taken from...
Anyone that teaches you to study into the Manuscripts and teaches you about the tools that easily allow you to study that, is a good thing.
But what dose it say about those that hide that from Christians ? It says, they are trying to Deceive Christians.
That is all I see from the majority . Deception, That will fly people into a bed with Satan himself.
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Maybe its best that Christ answer that for me :
Matthew 13:37-39
King James Version (KJV)
37 He answered and said unto them, He that soweth the good seed is the Son of man;
38 The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one;
39 The enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels.
John 8:44-45
King James Version (KJV)
44 Ye are of your father the devil
Revelation 3:9
King James Version (KJV)
9 Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.
I look forward to that day.
Matthew 13:37-39
King James Version (KJV)
37 He answered and said unto them, He that soweth the good seed is the Son of man;
38 The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one;
39 The enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels.
John 8:44-45
King James Version (KJV)
44 Ye are of your father the devil
Revelation 3:9
King James Version (KJV)
9 Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.
I look forward to that day.
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Don't get me wrong. I am not trying to be argumentative. When we get to a place where we can't learn then we are in trouble. In the verses mentioned could it not be that he is talking about lost people? The non elect, people that think they have it right and don't know God and have no desire to? Just a question. I have had many questions about this doctrine. I have never read where angels reproduce and have baby angels. Also what makes us believe that angels can even mate with humans? Please don't get apprehensive like I am attacking your beliefs. I just want to know more about this?
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Well, what makes us believe that angels cohabited with women is written in Genesis 6. The result were the giants .
That is one place.
And you can take that study farther if you want into the who what where when and why .
I'm not going to assume past what is written. And I'm certainly not going to deny what is written because its not popular with, the masses.
I only need to be popular with God.