each is to die of their own sins

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

For your information I reject the theology of Charles Finney.
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Anyway that is all besides the point. You are unable to refute my contention that Original Sin was introduced into Church Orthodoxy by Augustine in the Fourth Century. In fact you do not even care about the truth of such things, in mind Original Sin is biblical and you won't let yourself be confused by the facts.

What a silly man you are. I have provided scriptural evidence and evidence based on logical reasoning for an inherited sinful nature numerous times, and you have ignored it. I have no interest or responsibility to refute your contention that Augustine is the author of such an idea. It is your responsibility to prove such a claim, and IMO you haven't done so. The scriptural witness is sufficiently clear; whatever Augustine thought or said is irrelevant.

What a laughable claim that you reject the teaching of Charles Finney. The bulk of your ideas come straight out of his theology.

 

[zone]

For your information I reject the theology of Charles Finney.

no you don't.

you took what you liked about it, reject some of it, and just won't let your cobbled-together "theology" be connected to him by name because he's a flat out heretik.

if i wanted to take the time, it would be easy to do a side by side Skinski/Finney SoF.
but what a waste.

part of your unique theology also includes the Gnostics (which you ironically project onto Reformed Theology); and the Kabbalists with their dualism.

anyways...been here done all this with you.

i thought you were coming around.

but your nebulous self-heart purification prior to regeneration and forgiveness; together with your insistence on yetzer hara in place of what the scriptures PLAINLY teach about the First and Second Adam is enough evidence you're in ongoing transgression by rejecting the Word of The Lord.

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Although some forms of Judaism, both ancient and modern, do recognise the existence of supernatural evil, in particular fallen angels (as in the Dead Sea scrolls),[2][3][4] the yetzer hara is often presented as a personification of evil distinct from the supernatural Satan of traditional Christianity and Islam. This tendency to demythologize Satan is found in Bava Batra and other rabbinical works,[5] and is also found in some Enlightenment Christian writers, such as in the religious writings of Isaac Newton.[6]

Yetzer hara - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Skinski7]

Me in blue.

You're still not getting the gist of what I am asking so let me try rewording it. You keep saying you have the ability to yield to righteous,why didn't you or the rest that keep saying this yield to sin in the first place if you can and are able to be righteous in the first place? Clearly your question is rooted in the notion that "sinning is necessitated due to being BORN a sinner." Thus you must view your sin as not actually your own fault. You blame your birth condition for your sin, not the choices you made.

Let's look at Cain and Abel.

Gen 4:4 And Abel, he also brought of the firstlings of his flock and of the fat thereof. And the LORD had respect unto Abel and to his offering:
Gen 4:5 But unto Cain and to his offering he had not respect. And Cain was very wroth, and his countenance fell.
Gen 4:6 And the LORD said unto Cain, Why art thou wroth? and why is thy countenance fallen?
Gen 4:7 If thou doest well, shalt thou not be accepted? and if thou doest not well, sin lieth at the door. And unto thee shall be his desire, and thou shalt rule over him.

Was there choice involved? Was Cain's sin necessitated by the state in which he was born? Was Abel's righteousness (Heb 11:4) rooted in an intervention of God "offsetting inability"? Think about that.

You ask why do we sin? My answer is simply that we CHOSE to.

Why did Adam and Eve sin? They CHOSE to.

Remember we are neither born righteous nor wicked. We are born ignorant and innocent yet subject the the natural passions of the flesh. Under such circumstances why would a human being not sin? We certainly do not understand the consequences of sinning, nor are we partakers in the divine nature at birth thus choosing to sin is simply the path of least resistance. That is how I perceive it.

Now one can ignore the FACT that the early church upheld the free agency of man and refuted dualism in which the notion of being "born a sinner" was taught.

One can ignore the FACT that is was Augustine who introduced the notion that man had a "duel nature" into Christian orthodoxy in the fourth century.

It is in ignoring these facts that the doctrine of Original Sin is cut off from its historical roots in peoples minds.

Why didn't you,why didn't they? Why did you all fall into sin if you could have yield to God in the first place to not sin? Sinning is the path of least resistance for one who is ignorant and subject to the passions and desires of the flesh. It is quite natural to serve the flesh, we do it from infancy, thus when we are older and the commandment comes it is quite an easy option to yield to that we are used to and disobey God. Especially in light of not understanding the ramifications of such a choice.

You keep asking if I believe that God did it in my life or not. Have I not given my testimony many times or did you miss it? I know what I was,have I been obtuse on that? The problem with the doctrine of Original Sin is how it redefines the nature of man and sin. Sin becomes an AILMENT connected to being BORN IN FLESH and thus sinners are VICTIMS OF AN AILMENT. It completely negates the issue that the calamity of sin is the sinners own doing, instead it blames their birth. Thus sin is not a crime but a disease.

When sin is a disease (necessitated by a birth nature) and not a crime (resultant of choice) then REPENTANCE is redefined to being a "confession of an innate condition" as opposed to being a "forsaking of rebellion."

Thus the entire Gospel must be TWISTED to fit the "victim model." Hence the cross becomes a CLOAK for an the ongoing state of defilement which is due to being in a flesh body.

When sin is recognised as a CHOICE and thus a CRIME then repentance is the "change of mind" where the "criminal activity" is actually forsaken. Thus one approaches God seeking mercy having forsaken their wicked ways.


The teaching of Original Sin by NECESSITY must decry any notion of HEART PURITY being manifested in a believer because "sin itself" is connected to being "in the flesh body." This position is PURE GNOSTICISM. In fact it would not be inaccurate to state that what poses as modern Christianity is Gnosticism dressed up in Christian terminology. It has fooled millions and millions of people and as it turns out the people love it so.

When sin is recognised as a CHOICE and thus a CRIME then it is realised that one's calamity is their own doing. Hence we approach God taking FULL RESPONSIBILITY for what we have done. We don't blame our birth and we don't blame Adam. We come CLEAN IN OUR HEART before God. It is only through COMING CLEAN before God that the ROOT OF INIQUITY is PURGED once and for all.

Gnostic Christianity has no purging and thus no heart purity.

Again scroll up and look at every response. Look all over these forums. The teaching of HEART PURITY in a Christian is ABSENT. It is gone. It is the elephant in the room which people ignore. In fact I find that people cannot even bring themselves to discuss it. Why is that?

People will lambast my writings yet they will not touch on heart purity. It appears they cannot touch on it because they know they deny it and to bring up the issue will force them to uncomfortable conclusions.

So while I don't deny that God does a work in us. I do deny that God overrides an "inability on our part" to do so. We must MAKE THE CHOICE to submit to God in order that God do the work in us. We have to plug ourselves into the power source so to speak.

 

[Skinski7]

Me in blue.

no you don't.

you took what you liked about it, reject some of it, and just won't let your cobbled-together "theology" be connected to him by name because he's a flat out heretik.

if i wanted to take the time, it would be easy to do a side by side Skinski/Finney SoF.
but what a waste.

part of your unique theology also includes the Gnostics (which you ironically project onto Reformed Theology); and the Kabbalists with their dualism.

anyways...been here done all this with you.

i thought you were coming around.

but your nebulous self-heart purification prior to regeneration and forgiveness; The heart is made pure in regeneration. The rebellion is purged PRIOR to regeneration. This is why the Bible says this...

Act 3:19 Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord;

Repent ----------> Conversion ----------> Refreshing

Modern theology has it backwards for they have...

Confession ----------> Refreshing -----------> Repentance (change of mind).

Modern theology has the Prodigal Son being regenerated IN the pig pen. The regeneration then empowers the Prodigal Son to leave the pen. Isn't that true? It is as plain as the nose on my face.

Yet in that parable the Prodigal Son left the pig pen FIRST thus the rebellion ceased BEFORE pardon was granted.

It is Gnostic dualism which teaches that the rebellion can not be forsaken because it is rooted to a "birth nature" which makes man UNABLE to turn to God. Hence Augustine and the Reformers have the notion of Irresistible Grace to offset this inability. Thus repentance is redefined to be a confession of this "sinful state of inability."

When one buys into the notion of a "sinful state of inability" due to BIRTH then that person will decry anyone who preaches that man must "forsake their sin and turn to God" for in their mind such a teaching completely contradicts their foundational beliefs.

Isaiah wrote this...
Isa 55:7 Let the wicked forsake his way, and the unrighteous man his thoughts: and let him return unto the LORD, and he will have mercy upon him; and to our God, for he will abundantly pardon.

Wickedness must be forsaken in order that one return to God and it is ONLY THEN that pardon is granted.

Satan wants you to reject the above verse and instead believe that you can be forgiven WHILST STILL IN REBELLION. When people buy into that they come to a NOTION of being saved when they are not and thus the door to a genuine salvation is closed by the strongholds of their own minds.
together with your insistence on yetzer hara in place of what the scriptures PLAINLY teach about the First and Second Adam is enough evidence you're in ongoing transgression by rejecting the Word of The Lord.

Why did Eve sin?

Gen 3:6 And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat.

Was she not drawn away by the lust of the flesh, the lust of the eyes and the pride of life?

1Jn 2:15 Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him.
1Jn 2:16 For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world.

Eve loved the world more than she loved God.

Vice and virtue are CHOICES for if they were not it would not be vice and virtue but rather necessitated action.

Charity is not charity if it is compelled by force. When we pay our taxes we are not being charitable because we are compelled under the force of law. To give freely apart from compulsion is a virtuous act and thus it is rooted in CHOICE.

God wants a people that love Him and that is why He created human beings with the capacity to CHOOSE virtue or vice. God lets us choose the way of life or the way of death.

Augustine's dualism taught that it was the "flesh" which constrained the will of man within the confines of vice thus virtue was only possible by such constraint being offset by the grace of God. Augustine taught that this offsetting grace was only given to those who had been predestined to be the elect, hence the teaching of monergism in Christianity was given birth.

When the Jews spoke of the Yetzer-Ra and the Yetzer-Tov they were recognising the fact that man had the capacity to CHOOSE. That is what the Bible teaches...

Deu 30:19 I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing: therefore choose life, that both thou and thy seed may live:

Jos_24:15 And if it seem evil unto you to serve the LORD, choose you this day whom ye will serve; whether the gods which your fathers served that were on the other side of the flood, or the gods of the Amorites, in whose land ye dwell: but as for me and my house, we will serve the LORD.

Sin is a Choice = Sinners are fully responsible for their calamity = Sinners must forsake their sin BEFORE pardon is granted.

Sin is a Disease = Sinners are victims of a birth defect = Sinners cannot forsake a birth defect and thus pardon is granted IN their rebellion.

Sin is a Choice = The heart is purified by faith (Act 15:9), Obedience to the truth via the Spirit purifies the heart (1Pet 1:22).

Sin is a Disease = The heart can never be pure due to a birth defect thus purity must be a POSITIONAL CLOAK for ongoing defilement.




Although some forms of Judaism, both ancient and modern, do recognise the existence of supernatural evil, in particular fallen angels (as in the Dead Sea scrolls),[2][3][4] the yetzer hara is often presented as a personification of evil distinct from the supernatural Satan of traditional Christianity and Islam. This tendency to demythologize Satan is found in Bava Batra and other rabbinical works,[5] and is also found in some Enlightenment Christian writers, such as in the religious writings of Isaac Newton.[6] Just because sin is not a birth defect associated with the flesh does not negate the spiritual forces of darkness which influence mankind. When human beings forsake the Spirit of God they leave themselves helpless in the face of demonic influence. It is only through abiding in the Spirit of life in Jesus Christ that we can overcome evil. The powers and principalities of darkness are very real.

Yetzer hara - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The bottom line again is that modern theology denies HEART PURITY being wrought in a believer. Instead they teach "sin you will and sin you must" due to being BORN with a "sin nature."

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

Clearly your question is rooted in the notion that "sinning is necessitated due to being BORN a sinner." Thus you must view your sin as not actually your own fault. You blame your birth condition for your sin, not the choices you made.

You present a false premise with this 'sinning is necessitated due to being BORN a sinner' caricature. The truth is the possibility of sinning is necessitated due to being BORN a sinner, not its actual occurrence. You set up this false caricature to provide a foundation for your flawed arguments.

 

[Skinski7]

Me in blue.

does the Bible teach man obeys Him without His intervention? I have never claimed that God does not intervene. What I assert is that God does not offset an INABILITY to obey. Human beings have the full capacity to obey God if they want to. Obedience to God is wrought through godly sorrow which works a repentance unto salvation.

God has ALREADY intervened on behalf of mankind. Jesus Christ is the light that lights EVERY MAN who comes into the world. The grace of God has appeared to ALL MEN teaching them how to go.

Again, the error is in the "offsetting of an inability to obey God."

Reformed Theology is ROBOT THEOLOGY. Basically all human beings are SIN ROBOTS following a SIN PROGRAM and God chooses some of these SIN ROBOTS and reprograms them so they can follow Him. The rest of the SIN ROBOTS are left to their doom and there is nothing they can do about it because they were made "vessels of wrath."


Romans 3
No One Is Righteous The context is a comparison of the Jews and Gentiles and that BOTH PEOPLES need a saviour. It is not teaching that there is no one righteous. The Bible specifically says that Abel was righteous, that Daniel was righteous, that the parents of John the Baptist were righteous, that Job was righteous and that he who does what is right is righteous. Romans 3 is a generalisation of both the Gentile and Jewish peoples.
9What shall we conclude then? Do we have any advantage? Not at all! For we have already made the charge that Jews and Gentiles alike are all under the power of sin. 10As it is written:

“There is no one righteous, not even one;
11there is no one who understands;
there is no one who seeks God.
12All have turned away,
they have together become worthless;
there is no one who does good,
not even one.”b
13“Their throats are open graves;
their tongues practice deceit.”c
“The poison of vipers is on their lips.”d
14“Their mouths are full of cursing and bitterness.”e
15“Their feet are swift to shed blood;
16ruin and misery mark their ways,
17and the way of peace they do not know.”f
18“There is no fear of God before their eyes.”g

19Now we know that whatever the law says, it says to those who are under the law, so that every mouth may be silenced and the whole world held accountable to God. 20Therefore no one will be declared righteous in God’s sight by the works of the law; rather, through the law we become conscious of our sin. Indeed because the law is the ministration of death NOT the ministration of righteousness. Righteousness is only via a FAITH THAT WORKS BY LOVE which is only wrought via ABIDING in the Spirit of life in Jesus Christ. Hence God reckons FAITH AS RIGHTEOUSNESS a faith that walks, obeys and trusts the methodology of God. In other words God imputes righteousness to those whom are faithful and does not count their previous sin against them.

Righteousness Through Faith
21But now apart from the law the righteousness of God has been made known, to which the Law and the Prophets testify. 22This righteousness is given through faith inh Jesus Christ to all who believe. There is no difference between Jew and Gentile, 23for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, 24and all are justified freely by his grace through the redemption that came by Christ Jesus. 25God presented Christ as a sacrifice of atonement,i through the shedding of his blood—to be received by faith. He did this to demonstrate his righteousness, because in his forbearance he had left the sins committed beforehand unpunished— 26he did it to demonstrate his righteousness at the present time, so as to be just and the one who justifies those who have faith in Jesus.

27Where, then, is boasting? It is excluded. Because of what law? The law that requires works? No, because of the law that requires faith. 28For we maintain that a person is justified by faith apart from the works of the law. 29Or is God the God of Jews only? Is he not the God of Gentiles too? Yes, of Gentiles too, 30since there is only one God, who will justify the circumcised by faith and the uncircumcised through that same faith. 31Do we, then, nullify the law by this faith? Not at all! Rather, we uphold the law.

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oh look:

be declared righteous

dikaioó: to show to be righteous, declare righteous
Original Word: δικαιόω
Part of Speech: Verb
Transliteration: dikaioó
Phonetic Spelling: (dik-ah-yo'-o)
Short Definition: I make righteous, defend the cause of, justify
Definition: I make righteous, defend the cause of, plead for the righteousness (innocence) of, acquit, justify; hence: I regard as righteous.

Cognate: 1344 dikaióō (from dikē, "right, judicial-approval") – properly, approved, especially in a legal, authoritative sense; to show what is right, i.e. conformed to a proper standard (i.e. "upright").

The believer is "made righteous/justified" (1344 /dikaióō) by the Lord, cleared of all charges (punishment) related to their sins. Moreover, they are justified (1344 /dikaióō, "made right, righteous") by God's grace each time they receive (obey) faith (4102 /pístis), i.e. "God's inwrought persuasion" (cf. the -oō ending which conveys "to bring to/out"). See 1343 (dikaiosynē).
Indeed a truth. Once a person sins ONE TIME they cannot stand before God righteous because that ONE SIN defiles their conscience permanently. The deed is done and good deeds cannot undo one bad deed. Hence the need for God to PASS OVER previous sin and IMPUTE ONE RIGHTEOUS via FAITH.
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21But now apart from the law the righteousness of God has been made known, to which the Law and the Prophets testify. 22This righteousness is given through faith in Jesus Christ to all who believe. Yes Amen. Yes God gives us righteousness when we faithfully abide in Jesus Christ. Believing and Faith are not PASSIVE notions of ascribing to a doctrinal truth, it is the abiding IN that truth. A parachute is useless unless one pulls the rip chord. Likewise the grace of God is received in vain if one does not abide in it faithfully.




dikaiosuné: righteousness, justice
Original Word: δικαιοσύνη, ης, ἡ
Part of Speech: Noun, Feminine
Transliteration: dikaiosuné
Phonetic Spelling: (dik-ah-yos-oo'-nay)
Short Definition: justice, justness, righteousness
Definition: (usually if not always in a Jewish atmosphere), justice, justness, righteousness, righteousness of which God is the source or author, but practically: a divine righteousness.

1343 dikaiosýnē (from 1349 /díkē, "a judicial verdict") – properly, judicial approval (the verdict of approval); in the NT, the approval of God ("divine approval").

1343 /dikaiosýnē ("divine approval") is the regular NT term used for righteousness ("God's judicial approval"). 1343 /dikaiosýnē ("the approval of God") refers to what is deemed right by the Lord (after His examination), i.e. what is approved in His eyes.

Yes that is right. God's judicially approves those with a genuine saving faith. He does not count their former transgression against them.

What the false teachers have done is twist this "judicial approval" into being a "cloak" for ongoing rebellion. It is not so. God simply will not forgive someone who refuses to forsake their rebellion. The rebellion to God must cease BEFORE forgiveness is granted.

Jas 1:21 Wherefore lay apart all filthiness and superfluity of naughtiness, and receive with meekness the engrafted word, which is able to save your souls.
Jas 1:22 But be ye doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving your own selves.

Isa 55:7 Let the wicked forsake his way, and the unrighteous man his thoughts: and let him return unto the LORD, and he will have mercy upon him; and to our God, for he will abundantly pardon.

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

The teaching of Original Sin by NECESSITY must decry any notion of HEART PURITY being manifested in a believer because "sin itself" is connected to being "in the flesh body." This position is PURE GNOSTICISM. In fact it would not be inaccurate to state that what poses as modern Christianity is Gnosticism dressed up in Christian terminology. It has fooled millions and millions of people and as it turns out the people love it so.

This is another false premise that you argue from. Your caricature portrays the sinful nature as residing "in the body of flesh", and as being passed through the sperm, i.e., the sin nature is only physical in nature; and conveniently ignores the witness that the sinful nature is comprised of man's whole unregenerate being (body, soul, spirit) that is received from Adam via the laws of inheritance.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

This is another false premise that you argue from. Your caricature portrays the sinful nature as residing "in the body of flesh", and as being passed through the sperm, i.e., the sin nature is only physical in nature; and conveniently ignores the witness that the sinful nature is comprised of man's whole unregenerate being (body, soul, spirit) that is received from Adam via the laws of inheritance.

He does not get it, Gods plan was perfect. Adam was the father of mankind. So God placed us all under him, even before we sinned as he did.

Thus since everyone is dead in adam, ALL can be made alive in Christ.

In adam, All are guilty by association.

In Christ, all are innocent by association.

Skinski here wants to work out his own salvation by doing what adam and every other man woman and child who ever lived (other than Christ) could not do. Which is commit so little sin, that God somehow looks over the few so called minor sins he did commit, and forgive him based on how good he was.

Poor old skinski, Is he going to get a suprise when he comes face to face with Christ.

 

[SarahM777]

Me in blue.
Remember we are neither born righteous nor wicked. We are born ignorant and innocent yet subject the the natural passions of the flesh. Under such circumstances why would a human being not sin? We certainly do not understand the consequences of sinning, nor are we partakers in the divine nature at birth thus choosing to sin is simply the path of least resistance. That is how I perceive it.

Why is it the path least resistance unless we have a bent to doing the wrong? And where did the bent come from? God didn't create us that way. So where did it come from? Please correct me if I am wrong on this your mom and dad never disciplined you when you did something wrong? Not even when you were a very young child? You never lied to hide it from your mom and dad when you knew you did something wrong? You never did that went you were 1 -2 years old?

Haven't I said from the beginning that if one has been truly born again the evidence must be there? If the evidence is not there then how can say they are born again?

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

Again scroll up and look at every response. Look all over these forums. The teaching of HEART PURITY in a Christian is ABSENT. It is gone. It is the elephant in the room which people ignore. In fact I find that people cannot even bring themselves to discuss it. Why is that?

Well one reason I think is because virtually everything else you teach is falsehood, so we have to spend so much time refuting those things.

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

In adam, All are guilty by association.

In Christ, all are innocent by association.

All are made guilty by inheritance. Likewise, all are made innocent by inheritance.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Well one reason I think is because virtually everything else you teach is falsehood, so we have to spend so much time refuting those things.

Thats why I gave up along time ago!

 

[eternally-gratefull]

All are made guilty by inheritance. Likewise, all are made innocent by inheritance.

Yes,, In adam, all inherit (by association) death, In Christ all can inherit (by association) eternal life.

 

[zone]

Me in blue.

The bottom line again is that modern theology denies HEART PURITY being wrought in a believer. Instead they teach "sin you will and sin you must" due to being BORN with a "sin nature."

use the quote feature.

 

[starfield]

Me in blue.

We come CLEAN IN OUR HEART before God. It is only through COMING CLEAN before God that the ROOT OF INIQUITY is PURGED once and for all.

It is God who cleanses the contrite heart. Reading some of your posts you seem to confuse justification with sanctification, and you excessively place emphasis on self-effort instead of the work of God in justification; look at Titus 3:5 which speaks of man's inadequacy to save himself, "Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost". Justification is God declaring the penitent sinner righteous by faith in the shed blood of Christ then the process of sanctification begins by the Holy Spirit working in them mightily to transform them into the image of Christ. As we grow in God’s grace we indeed deny ourselves daily and take up our cross, and it is the operation of the Spirit in us that brings this practical holiness and the fruit of the Spirit. Consecration occurs as we are already in Christ, not in order to be saved.

 

[zone]

Me in blue.


Yes that is right. God's judicially approves those with a genuine saving faith. He does not count their former transgression against them.

USE THE QUOTE FEATURE.

on what ground does He judicially declare a guilty man not guilty?

FAITH IN WHAT?

where's JESUS?

oh....He's waaaaaaaaaaaaaay over there somewhere hanging on a Cross as some kind of example.

if you look at Him there, you'll smarten up and purify your heart (which incidentally is beyond cure, hence the new heart FROM God is needed)....cuz when you see Jesus suffering for some unknown reason unrelated to you, you can do it Skinski!

you've proven that.

you just struggle with your own porn or molestation or murder issues or whatever they were (are?)...until you stopped the GROSS sins...then you type in a cool "saved" date and claim heart purity.

anyways....enuff of your mix n match Finneyite rubbish

oh....

Me in blue.


Yes that is right. God's judicially approves those with a genuine saving faith. He does not count their former transgression against them.

no forgiveness for a saved man who commits a transgression?

just yes or no dear.
please.

 

[Skinski7]

It is God who cleanses the contrite heart. Reading some of your posts you seem to confuse justification with sanctification, and you excessively place emphasis on self-effort instead of the work of God in justification; look at Titus 3:5 which speaks of man's inadequacy to save himself, "Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost". Justification is God declaring the penitent sinner righteous by faith in the shed blood of Christ then the process of sanctification begins by the Holy Spirit working in them mightily to transform them into the image of Christ. As we grow in God’s grace we indeed deny ourselves daily and take up our cross, and it is the operation of the Spirit in us that brings this practical holiness and the fruit of the Spirit. Consecration occurs as we are already in Christ, not in order to be saved.

Yielding to God wholeheartedly IS NOT saving yourself.

 

[Skinski7]

Why is it the path least resistance unless we have a bent to doing the wrong? And where did the bent come from? God didn't create us that way. So where did it come from? Please correct me if I am wrong on this your mom and dad never disciplined you when you did something wrong? Not even when you were a very young child? You never lied to hide it from your mom and dad when you knew you did something wrong? You never did that went you were 1 -2 years old?

Haven't I said from the beginning that if one has been truly born again the evidence must be there? If the evidence is not there then how can say they are born again?

Why did Adam and Eve sin?

To blame your birth state for your sin is to deny your own culpability in your rebellion. You are blaming God.

 

[zone]

Why did Adam and Eve sin?

To blame your birth state for your sin is to deny your own culpability in your rebellion. You are blaming God.

Genesis 5:3
When Adam had lived 130 years, he had a son in his own likeness, in his own image; and he named him Seth.

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The only peculiarity in the life of Adam is the statement that his son was "in his likeness, after his image." This is no doubt intended to include that depravity which had become the characteristic of fallen man. It is contrasted with the preceding notice that Adam was originally created in the image of God. If it had been intended merely to indicate that the offspring was of the same species with the parent, the phrase, "after his kind" (למינהוּ lemı̂ynâh, would have been employed, as in the first chapter. This is one of the mysteries of the race, when the head of it is a moral being, and has fallen. His moral depravity, affecting the essential difference of his nature, descends to his offspring.
Barnes


And begat a son in his own likeness, after his image - Words nearly the same with those Genesis 1:26 : Let us make man in our image, after our likeness. What this image and likeness of God were, we have already seen, and we may rest assured that the same image and likeness are not meant here. The body of Adam was created provisionally immortal, i.e. while he continued obedient he could not die; but his obedience was voluntary, and his state a probationary one. The soul of Adam was created in the moral image of God, in knowledge, righteousness, and true holiness. He had now sinned, and consequently had lost his moral resemblance to his Maker; he had also become mortal through his breach of the law. His image and likeness were therefore widely different at this time from what they were before; and his begetting children in this image and likeness plainly implies that they were imperfect like himself, mortal like himself, sinful and corrupt like himself
Clarke


in his own likeness, after his image; not in the likeness, and after the image of God, in which Adam was created; for having sinned, he lost that image, at least it was greatly defaced, and he came short of that glory of God, and could not convey it to his posterity; who are, and ever have been conceived in sin, and shapen in iniquity; are polluted and unclean, foolish and disobedient; averse to all that is good, and prone to all that is evil: the sinfulness of nature is conveyed by natural generation
Gill


The Jewish writers understand this in a good sense, of Seth being like to Adam in goodness, when Cain was not: so the Targum of Jonathan,"and he begat Seth, who was like to his image and similitude; for before Eve had brought forth Cain, who was not like unto him---but afterwards she brought forth him who was like unto him, and called his name Seth.''So they say (z) Cain was not of the seed, nor of the image of Adam, nor his works like Abel his brother; but Seth was of the seed and image of Adam, and his works were like the works of his brother Abel; according to that, "he begat (a son) in his own likeness". And they assert (a), that Adam delivered all his wisdom to Seth his son, who was born after his image and likeness; and particularly Maimonides (b) observes, that all the sons of Adam before Seth were rather beasts than men, and had not the true human form, not the form and image of men; but Seth, after Adam had taught and instructed him, was in human perfection, as it is said of him, "and he begat in his likeness": but the text speaks not of the education of Seth, and of what he was through that, but of his birth, and what he was in consequence of it; and we are told by good authority, that "that which is born of the flesh is flesh", carnal and corrupt, and such are all the sons of Adam by natural generation; see Job 14:4.

(z) Pirke Eliezer, c. 22. (a) Shalshalet Hakabala, apud Hottinger. Smegma, p. 212. (b) More Nevochim, par. 1. c. 7.
Gill


As Adam was created in the image of God, so did he beget "in his own likeness, after his image;" that is to say, he transmitted the image of God in which he was created, not in the purity in which it came direct from God, but in the form given to it by his own self-determination, modified and corrupted by sin.
Keil and Delitzsch Biblical Commentary on the Old Testament



(c) As well, concerning his creation, as his corruption.
Geneva


5:1-5 Adam was made in the image of God; but when fallen he begat a son in his own image, sinful and defiled, frail, wretched, and mortal, like himself.
Matthew Henry

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

Why did Adam and Eve sin?

To blame your birth state for your sin is to deny your own culpability in your rebellion. You are blaming God.

I'm going to tag team with Sarah here...

Adam and Eve sinned because they corrupted themselves inwardly by loving the things of the world more than GOD. Then after they had corrupted their inward natures they sinned out of that corrupted, sinful nature.

You teach that Adam sinned out of innocence. Impossible. Adam only knew good and was therefore perfect and righteous. It is impossible to sin from a perfect, righteous nature. He had to have corrupted himself first because a good tree cannot bring forth bad fruit. Only a bad tree can bring forth bad fruit.