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Re: Why is the "Jezebel spirit" concept mostly in Charismatic, Pentecostal, WOF circl
UMM It sounds to me like you are basing it on subjective interpretation. I may be wrong but that what it sounds like.
It seems like you are missing my point. The point being that on one hand you say you "know" that there are many "baphomets" yet on the other hand you really can't say for sure because the Bible doesn't say one way or the other.
In other words it subjective because one can't sure for one way or the other. You're basing part of it on the fact that you believe there are many of these demons by this same name with the same description. Otherwise how can all those other people say that they too have been possessed by that same demon? Or it's other demons claiming to be that demon but they are being LIED to. (Which makes more sense to me in that demons lie,deception is their greatest weapon)
Danschance,
I am just very leery of a lot of this. I have seen and heard way too much of the fakes to just take what someone says about this stuff at face value anymore. Jesus did warn us very strongly that there would come a time when false prophets would come in His name preforming signs and wonders,so strong and seemingly right that if it were possible that EVEN THE ELECT could be deceived. If that warning doesn't frighten us to be 100% sure on where this stuff is coming from,I have no idea what will. That warning is not coming from some guy on the street that warning is from Jesus Himself,and I really believe we should heed that warning. It needs to be tested and lined against scripture.
UMM It sounds to me like you are basing it on subjective interpretation. I may be wrong but that what it sounds like.
It seems like you are missing my point. The point being that on one hand you say you "know" that there are many "baphomets" yet on the other hand you really can't say for sure because the Bible doesn't say one way or the other.
In other words it subjective because one can't sure for one way or the other. You're basing part of it on the fact that you believe there are many of these demons by this same name with the same description. Otherwise how can all those other people say that they too have been possessed by that same demon? Or it's other demons claiming to be that demon but they are being LIED to. (Which makes more sense to me in that demons lie,deception is their greatest weapon)
Danschance,
I am just very leery of a lot of this. I have seen and heard way too much of the fakes to just take what someone says about this stuff at face value anymore. Jesus did warn us very strongly that there would come a time when false prophets would come in His name preforming signs and wonders,so strong and seemingly right that if it were possible that EVEN THE ELECT could be deceived. If that warning doesn't frighten us to be 100% sure on where this stuff is coming from,I have no idea what will. That warning is not coming from some guy on the street that warning is from Jesus Himself,and I really believe we should heed that warning. It needs to be tested and lined against scripture.
D
Re: Why is the "Jezebel spirit" concept mostly in Charismatic, Pentecostal, WOF circl
Once I realized I had a demonic issue I then had another problem of who would believe me. I quickly assumed no protestant church would believe me or be equipped to help me. So the first place I went, was a Catholic Church, thanks to movies like "The Exorcist".
I think, long before I said a single word, your mind was already made up. I doubt that I can't convince you of anything. It is OK to be skeptical. I myself am 50% skeptical on a new topic and at the same time, 50% believer. However, no matter how skeptical you are, the truth will always remain to be the truth, even if no one believes it.
I am not shy about telling my story, but all to often I am falsely accused of seeking attention, being deceptive or delusional. I assume it is because people have their minds made up. I only tell my story in hopes of helping one out of a thousand who might desperately need it, like I did.
Once I realized I had a demonic issue I then had another problem of who would believe me. I quickly assumed no protestant church would believe me or be equipped to help me. So the first place I went, was a Catholic Church, thanks to movies like "The Exorcist".
I think, long before I said a single word, your mind was already made up. I doubt that I can't convince you of anything. It is OK to be skeptical. I myself am 50% skeptical on a new topic and at the same time, 50% believer. However, no matter how skeptical you are, the truth will always remain to be the truth, even if no one believes it.
I am not shy about telling my story, but all to often I am falsely accused of seeking attention, being deceptive or delusional. I assume it is because people have their minds made up. I only tell my story in hopes of helping one out of a thousand who might desperately need it, like I did.
Re: Why is the "Jezebel spirit" concept mostly in Charismatic, Pentecostal, WOF circl
Lets have a closer look at Jezebel ...
Jezebel cut off the prophets of the LORD 1 Kings 18:4
And Ahab told Jezebel all that Elijah had done, and withal how he had slain all the prophets with the sword. Then Jezebel sent a messenger unto Elijah, saying, So let the gods do to me, and more also, if I make not thy life as the life of one of them by tomorrow about this time. 1 Kings 19:1,2
Jezebel....
Trying to silence people whom speak of God and His power.
Trying to silence people whom warn for idolatry, selfishness.
Trying to intimidate them by force and by using intimidating words.
Trodden Gods inheritance....
And Naboth said to Ahab, The LORD forbid it me, that I should give the inheritance of my fathers unto thee. 1 Kings 21:3
But those husbandmen said among themselves, This is the heir; come, let us kill him, and the inheritance shall be ours. Marc 12:7 (They gladly kill Gods servants and Gods son.)
What is our inheritance?
How do we treat our inheritance given by God? Or our brothers inheritance?
Manipulating using Gods word.
Jezebel taking things in her own hand...by lying using her own way. Selfish and arrogant. Saying to others to use their own power to overrule others. No consideration, no mercy, no love......
And Jezebel his wife said unto him, Dost thou now govern the kingdom of Israel? arise, and eat bread, and let thine heart be merry: Iwill give thee the vineyard of Naboth the Jezreelite. 1 Kings 21:7
Jezebel using bible talk next to lying witnesses to trick/break/kill someone else...
And she wrote in the letters, saying, Proclaim a fast, and set Naboth on high among the people: And set two men, sons of Belial, before him, to bear witness against him, saying, Thou didst blaspheme God and the king. 1 Kings 21:9,10
God said: Ahab killed. Why? He could have stopped Jezebel but he let her possess him, possess the situation, and he wanted to possess his neighbors inheritance.
And the word of the LORD came to Elijah the Tishbite, saying, Arise, go down to meet Ahab king of Israel, which is in Samaria: behold, he is in the vineyard of Naboth, whither he is gone down to possess it. And thou shalt speak unto him, saying, Thus saith the LORD, Hast thou killed, and also taken possession? And thou shalt speak unto him, saying, Thus saith the LORD, In the place where dogs licked the blood of Naboth shall dogs lick thy blood, even thine. And Ahab said to Elijah, Hast thou found me, O mine enemy? And he answered, I have found thee: because thou hast sold thyself to work evil in the sight of the LORD. 1 Kings 21:17-20
What fruits do we have? Evil like Ahab and Jezebel? Or good fruit?
And at the season he sent to the husbandmen a servant, that he might receive from the husbandmen of the fruit of the vineyard. Marc 12:2
Good fruit:
The "works of Jezebel" are not gender-specific. Nor denominational.
Many pastors have destroyed my vineyard, they have trodden my portion under foot, they have made my pleasant portion a desolate wilderness. Jer 12:10
Lets have a closer look at Jezebel ...
Jezebel cut off the prophets of the LORD 1 Kings 18:4
And Ahab told Jezebel all that Elijah had done, and withal how he had slain all the prophets with the sword. Then Jezebel sent a messenger unto Elijah, saying, So let the gods do to me, and more also, if I make not thy life as the life of one of them by tomorrow about this time. 1 Kings 19:1,2
Jezebel....
Trying to silence people whom speak of God and His power.
Trying to silence people whom warn for idolatry, selfishness.
Trying to intimidate them by force and by using intimidating words.
Trodden Gods inheritance....
And Naboth said to Ahab, The LORD forbid it me, that I should give the inheritance of my fathers unto thee. 1 Kings 21:3
But those husbandmen said among themselves, This is the heir; come, let us kill him, and the inheritance shall be ours. Marc 12:7 (They gladly kill Gods servants and Gods son.)
What is our inheritance?
Ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise, Which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of his glory. Ef 1:14
That the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give unto you the Spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge of Him: The eyes of your understanding being enlightened; that ye may know what is the hope of His calling, and what the riches of the glory of His inheritance in the saints, And what is the exceeding greatness of His power to us-ward who believe, according to the working of his mighty power, Which he wrought in Christ, when he raised him from the dead, Eph 1:17 – 20
That the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give unto you the Spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge of Him: The eyes of your understanding being enlightened; that ye may know what is the hope of His calling, and what the riches of the glory of His inheritance in the saints, And what is the exceeding greatness of His power to us-ward who believe, according to the working of his mighty power, Which he wrought in Christ, when he raised him from the dead, Eph 1:17 – 20
How do we treat our inheritance given by God? Or our brothers inheritance?
For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good, Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God; Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away. 2 Tim 3:2-5
Manipulating using Gods word.
Jezebel taking things in her own hand...by lying using her own way. Selfish and arrogant. Saying to others to use their own power to overrule others. No consideration, no mercy, no love......
And Jezebel his wife said unto him, Dost thou now govern the kingdom of Israel? arise, and eat bread, and let thine heart be merry: Iwill give thee the vineyard of Naboth the Jezreelite. 1 Kings 21:7
Jezebel using bible talk next to lying witnesses to trick/break/kill someone else...
And she wrote in the letters, saying, Proclaim a fast, and set Naboth on high among the people: And set two men, sons of Belial, before him, to bear witness against him, saying, Thou didst blaspheme God and the king. 1 Kings 21:9,10
God said: Ahab killed. Why? He could have stopped Jezebel but he let her possess him, possess the situation, and he wanted to possess his neighbors inheritance.
And the word of the LORD came to Elijah the Tishbite, saying, Arise, go down to meet Ahab king of Israel, which is in Samaria: behold, he is in the vineyard of Naboth, whither he is gone down to possess it. And thou shalt speak unto him, saying, Thus saith the LORD, Hast thou killed, and also taken possession? And thou shalt speak unto him, saying, Thus saith the LORD, In the place where dogs licked the blood of Naboth shall dogs lick thy blood, even thine. And Ahab said to Elijah, Hast thou found me, O mine enemy? And he answered, I have found thee: because thou hast sold thyself to work evil in the sight of the LORD. 1 Kings 21:17-20
What fruits do we have? Evil like Ahab and Jezebel? Or good fruit?
A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt (Jezebel) tree bring forth good fruit. Mat 7:18
A good man out of the good treasure of the heart bringeth forth good things: and an evil man out of the evil treasure bringeth forth evil things. Mat 12:25
Bring forth therefore fruits worthy of repentance, and begin not to say within yourselves, We have Abraham to our father: for I say unto you, That God is able of these stones to raise up children unto Abraham. Luc 4:8
Don't say we have Luther or Calvin or John Paul Jackson as father.....bring forth the good fruit only......
And at the season he sent to the husbandmen a servant, that he might receive from the husbandmen of the fruit of the vineyard. Marc 12:2
Good fruit:
But the fruit of the Spirit (our inheritance) is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law. And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts. If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit. Let us not be desirous of vain glory, provoking one another, envying one another. Gal 5:22-25
But the wisdom that is from above is first pure, then peaceable, gentle, and easy to be intreated, full of mercy and good fruits, without partiality, and without hypocrisy Jac 3:17
The "works of Jezebel" are not gender-specific. Nor denominational.
Many pastors have destroyed my vineyard, they have trodden my portion under foot, they have made my pleasant portion a desolate wilderness. Jer 12:10
Re: Why is the "Jezebel spirit" concept mostly in Charismatic, Pentecostal, WOF circl
UMM not sure I would want to use the Exorcist as a good example myself.
I am not sure if you have read this before,so I will go through this again. Part of the reason I am very skeptical about a lot of this is two fold. One I was caught up with a false prophet,who just happened to be my sister. She was very,very subtle and very good at it. So it was someone very close to me. In a lots of ways because of the age difference she was like my own child,(14 years difference,my folks were gone a lot so I took care of her care of her a lot. And I never had any children of my own) She came back from a life of running and getting into all kinds of stuff. (Some pretty nasty stuff and she was also a witch,not sure if she was still practicing it at the time she came back but she did claim she gave it up when she made the claim "she was born again" and she was given the gift of prophet) She somehow knew things about me that I never told anyone. She was telling me a lot of truth,but she also mixed in just enough very subtle tiny lies. I wanted to believe the best about her,I truly wanted to believe that she was saved. I missed the tiny lies. Needless to say she tried to ruin me. (That is elsewhere so I won't repeat it here)
The thing was she was going to an AOG,where they claim they have the gifts of discernment. She was close friends with the pastor and she worked in the church office. If I remember correctly she was there for two years. She left came back to my folks place, (I do live with my folks because am to take care of them,the rest of the family wants nothing with my mom so...) We started going to another AOG here. Not one of the people ever discerned that she was false. (Can't understand how two entire church bodies that claim to have the gifts of discernment missed it) Left that church because they changed denom and they included prayers to the archangel Michael which by the way we're not told to pray to angels. The sad part of all of this the person that caught her was a woman that was Lutheran,who never claimed to have the gift of discernment. The only thing she did was line up what my sister was saying with the Word. So how was it that two churches that have the "gifts of the Spirit" missed it and yet one who never claimed to have the gift of discernment caught it? It just boggles my mind that it was even possible for that to happen. There is no way I want to go down that path again. I do know that demon can be real. Talked to enough missionaries from Africa and Asia where a number of the people are coming out of paganism.
I have people released from the things by doing one thing and that is believing what God told us and standing on His promises.
Do we stand on His promises like this?
1 Timothy 1
7 For God hath not given us the spirit of fear; but of power, and of love, and of a sound mind.
1 John 4
17 This is how love is made complete among us so that we will have confidence on the day of judgment: In this world we are like Jesus.18 There is no fear in love. But perfect love drives out fear, because fear has to do with punishment. The one who fears is not made perfect in love.
Romans 8
31 What, then, shall we say in response to these things? If God is for us,who can be against us? 32 He who did not spare his own Son, but gave him up for us all—how will he not also, along with him, graciously give us all things? 33 Who will bring any charge against those whom God has chosen? It is God who justifies. 34 Who then is the one who condemns?No one. Christ Jesus who died—more than that, who was raised to life—is at the right hand of God and is also interceding for us. 35 Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? Shall trouble or hardship or persecution or famine or nakedness or danger or sword? 36 As it is written:
“For your sake we face death all day long;
we are considered as sheep to be slaughtered.”[j]
37 No, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him who loved us. 38 For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons,[k] neither the present nor the future, nor any powers,39 neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord.
Romans 8
5 Those who live according to the flesh have their minds set on what the flesh desires; but those who live in accordance with the Spirit have their minds set on what the Spirit desires. 6 The mind governed by the flesh is death, but the mind governed by the Spirit is life and peace. 7 The mind governed by the flesh is hostile to God; it does not submit to God’s law, nor can it do so. 8 Those who are in the realm of the flesh cannot please God.
John 8
34 Jesus replied, “Very truly I tell you, everyone who sins is a slave to sin. 35 Now a slave has no permanent place in the family, but a son belongs to it forever. 36 So if the Son sets you free, you will be free indeed. 37 I know that you are Abraham’s descendants. Yet you are looking for a way to kill me, because you have no room for my word. 38 I am telling you what I have seen in the Father’s presence, and you are doing what you have heard from your father.[b]”
Romans 6
6 What shall we say, then? Shall we go on sinning so that grace may increase? 2 By no means! We are those who have died to sin; how can we live in it any longer? 3 Or don’t you know that all of us who were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into his death? 4 We were therefore buried with him through baptism into death in order that, just as Christ was raised from the dead through the glory of the Father, we too may live a new life.
5 For if we have been united with him in a death like his, we will certainly also be united with him in a resurrection like his. 6 For we know that our old self was crucified with him so that the body ruled by sin might be done away with,[a] that we should no longer be slaves to sin— 7 because anyone who has died has been set free from sin.
8 Now if we died with Christ, we believe that we will also live with him.9 For we know that since Christ was raised from the dead, he cannot die again; death no longer has mastery over him. 10 The death he died, he died to sin once for all; but the life he lives, he lives to God.
11 In the same way, count yourselves dead to sin but alive to God in Christ Jesus. 12 Therefore do not let sin reign in your mortal body so that you obey its evil desires. 13 Do not offer any part of yourself to sin as an instrument of wickedness, but rather offer yourselves to God as those who have been brought from death to life; and offer every part of yourself to him as an instrument of righteousness. 14 For sin shall no longer be your master, because you are not under the law, but under grace.
[h=3]Slaves to Righteousness[/h]15 What then? Shall we sin because we are not under the law but under grace? By no means! 16 Don’t you know that when you offer yourselves to someone as obedient slaves, you are slaves of the one you obey—whether you are slaves to sin, which leads to death, or to obedience, which leads to righteousness? 17 But thanks be to God that, though you used to be slaves to sin, you have come to obey from your heart the pattern of teaching that has now claimed your allegiance. 18 You have been set free from sin and have become slaves to righteousness.
19 I am using an example from everyday life because of your human limitations. Just as you used to offer yourselves as slaves to impurity and to ever-increasing wickedness, so now offer yourselves as slaves to righteousness leading to holiness. 20 When you were slaves to sin, you were free from the control of righteousness. 21 What benefit did you reap at that time from the things you are now ashamed of? Those things result in death! 22 But now that you have been set free from sin and have become slaves of God, the benefit you reap leads to holiness, and the result is eternal life. 23 For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in[b] Christ Jesus our Lord.
Strange in that chapter Paul speaks a lot in the past tense. Part of the problem is do we really believe what God so plainly told us?
UMM not sure I would want to use the Exorcist as a good example myself.
I am not sure if you have read this before,so I will go through this again. Part of the reason I am very skeptical about a lot of this is two fold. One I was caught up with a false prophet,who just happened to be my sister. She was very,very subtle and very good at it. So it was someone very close to me. In a lots of ways because of the age difference she was like my own child,(14 years difference,my folks were gone a lot so I took care of her care of her a lot. And I never had any children of my own) She came back from a life of running and getting into all kinds of stuff. (Some pretty nasty stuff and she was also a witch,not sure if she was still practicing it at the time she came back but she did claim she gave it up when she made the claim "she was born again" and she was given the gift of prophet) She somehow knew things about me that I never told anyone. She was telling me a lot of truth,but she also mixed in just enough very subtle tiny lies. I wanted to believe the best about her,I truly wanted to believe that she was saved. I missed the tiny lies. Needless to say she tried to ruin me. (That is elsewhere so I won't repeat it here)
The thing was she was going to an AOG,where they claim they have the gifts of discernment. She was close friends with the pastor and she worked in the church office. If I remember correctly she was there for two years. She left came back to my folks place, (I do live with my folks because am to take care of them,the rest of the family wants nothing with my mom so...) We started going to another AOG here. Not one of the people ever discerned that she was false. (Can't understand how two entire church bodies that claim to have the gifts of discernment missed it) Left that church because they changed denom and they included prayers to the archangel Michael which by the way we're not told to pray to angels. The sad part of all of this the person that caught her was a woman that was Lutheran,who never claimed to have the gift of discernment. The only thing she did was line up what my sister was saying with the Word. So how was it that two churches that have the "gifts of the Spirit" missed it and yet one who never claimed to have the gift of discernment caught it? It just boggles my mind that it was even possible for that to happen. There is no way I want to go down that path again. I do know that demon can be real. Talked to enough missionaries from Africa and Asia where a number of the people are coming out of paganism.
I have people released from the things by doing one thing and that is believing what God told us and standing on His promises.
Do we stand on His promises like this?
1 Timothy 1
7 For God hath not given us the spirit of fear; but of power, and of love, and of a sound mind.
1 John 4
17 This is how love is made complete among us so that we will have confidence on the day of judgment: In this world we are like Jesus.18 There is no fear in love. But perfect love drives out fear, because fear has to do with punishment. The one who fears is not made perfect in love.
Romans 8
31 What, then, shall we say in response to these things? If God is for us,who can be against us? 32 He who did not spare his own Son, but gave him up for us all—how will he not also, along with him, graciously give us all things? 33 Who will bring any charge against those whom God has chosen? It is God who justifies. 34 Who then is the one who condemns?No one. Christ Jesus who died—more than that, who was raised to life—is at the right hand of God and is also interceding for us. 35 Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? Shall trouble or hardship or persecution or famine or nakedness or danger or sword? 36 As it is written:
“For your sake we face death all day long;
we are considered as sheep to be slaughtered.”[j]
37 No, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him who loved us. 38 For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons,[k] neither the present nor the future, nor any powers,39 neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord.
Romans 8
5 Those who live according to the flesh have their minds set on what the flesh desires; but those who live in accordance with the Spirit have their minds set on what the Spirit desires. 6 The mind governed by the flesh is death, but the mind governed by the Spirit is life and peace. 7 The mind governed by the flesh is hostile to God; it does not submit to God’s law, nor can it do so. 8 Those who are in the realm of the flesh cannot please God.
John 8
34 Jesus replied, “Very truly I tell you, everyone who sins is a slave to sin. 35 Now a slave has no permanent place in the family, but a son belongs to it forever. 36 So if the Son sets you free, you will be free indeed. 37 I know that you are Abraham’s descendants. Yet you are looking for a way to kill me, because you have no room for my word. 38 I am telling you what I have seen in the Father’s presence, and you are doing what you have heard from your father.[b]”
Romans 6
6 What shall we say, then? Shall we go on sinning so that grace may increase? 2 By no means! We are those who have died to sin; how can we live in it any longer? 3 Or don’t you know that all of us who were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into his death? 4 We were therefore buried with him through baptism into death in order that, just as Christ was raised from the dead through the glory of the Father, we too may live a new life.
5 For if we have been united with him in a death like his, we will certainly also be united with him in a resurrection like his. 6 For we know that our old self was crucified with him so that the body ruled by sin might be done away with,[a] that we should no longer be slaves to sin— 7 because anyone who has died has been set free from sin.
8 Now if we died with Christ, we believe that we will also live with him.9 For we know that since Christ was raised from the dead, he cannot die again; death no longer has mastery over him. 10 The death he died, he died to sin once for all; but the life he lives, he lives to God.
11 In the same way, count yourselves dead to sin but alive to God in Christ Jesus. 12 Therefore do not let sin reign in your mortal body so that you obey its evil desires. 13 Do not offer any part of yourself to sin as an instrument of wickedness, but rather offer yourselves to God as those who have been brought from death to life; and offer every part of yourself to him as an instrument of righteousness. 14 For sin shall no longer be your master, because you are not under the law, but under grace.
[h=3]Slaves to Righteousness[/h]15 What then? Shall we sin because we are not under the law but under grace? By no means! 16 Don’t you know that when you offer yourselves to someone as obedient slaves, you are slaves of the one you obey—whether you are slaves to sin, which leads to death, or to obedience, which leads to righteousness? 17 But thanks be to God that, though you used to be slaves to sin, you have come to obey from your heart the pattern of teaching that has now claimed your allegiance. 18 You have been set free from sin and have become slaves to righteousness.
19 I am using an example from everyday life because of your human limitations. Just as you used to offer yourselves as slaves to impurity and to ever-increasing wickedness, so now offer yourselves as slaves to righteousness leading to holiness. 20 When you were slaves to sin, you were free from the control of righteousness. 21 What benefit did you reap at that time from the things you are now ashamed of? Those things result in death! 22 But now that you have been set free from sin and have become slaves of God, the benefit you reap leads to holiness, and the result is eternal life. 23 For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in[b] Christ Jesus our Lord.
Strange in that chapter Paul speaks a lot in the past tense. Part of the problem is do we really believe what God so plainly told us?
J
Re: Why is the "Jezebel spirit" concept mostly in Charismatic, Pentecostal, WOF circl
I became so embarrassed as a believer by the mocking tone some were using toward one another that my brain locked up and I stopped reading around page three of this thread, so I don't know whether my post is redundant or not.
First I want to say that not all who attend churches that do not believe the gifts of the Spirit have ceased believe it is permissible for women to be in positions of authority over men. Neither do they permit themselves to be labeled as "Charismatic, Pentecostal or WOF".
I think the word I highlighted in your post is responsible for this concept. I think the "Spirit of Jezebel" thing stems from a "movement" culture that insists upon labeling everything, the culture that feeds upon the newest trend/t shirt/"christianese" (EXAMPLE: The Prayer of Jabez fad that swept the world years back), which is not limited to certain denominations as far as I've seen. We know from Matthew 16:22&23 that the behavior of those who follow Christ can be influenced by satan, but we also need to recognize our part in such behaviors and not waste time blaming/labeling the demon du jour.
I want the Name of Jesus to be on my lips, not the name of some demon, as His Name is the Name above all.
I became so embarrassed as a believer by the mocking tone some were using toward one another that my brain locked up and I stopped reading around page three of this thread, so I don't know whether my post is redundant or not.
First I want to say that not all who attend churches that do not believe the gifts of the Spirit have ceased believe it is permissible for women to be in positions of authority over men. Neither do they permit themselves to be labeled as "Charismatic, Pentecostal or WOF".
I think the word I highlighted in your post is responsible for this concept. I think the "Spirit of Jezebel" thing stems from a "movement" culture that insists upon labeling everything, the culture that feeds upon the newest trend/t shirt/"christianese" (EXAMPLE: The Prayer of Jabez fad that swept the world years back), which is not limited to certain denominations as far as I've seen. We know from Matthew 16:22&23 that the behavior of those who follow Christ can be influenced by satan, but we also need to recognize our part in such behaviors and not waste time blaming/labeling the demon du jour.
I want the Name of Jesus to be on my lips, not the name of some demon, as His Name is the Name above all.
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Re: Why is the "Jezebel spirit" concept mostly in Charismatic, Pentecostal, WOF circl
lololol.
11 months in the womb....*shiver*
all to make the "prophecy" come to pass to-the-day.
all these guys claim to get reg'lar visits from angels.
some ride cool vehicles to heaven.
they say they have personal convos with God Who, oddly, speaks this hip and funny lingo to them.
you know?
you have GOT to go here
and click play on this video:
New Warpaths are Forming in the Earth
Prophecy given on: June 02, 2013 in Corinth, TX by Anne Tate, Chuck Pierce, LeAnn Squier, Deborah DeGar, Shara Collins, Janice Swinney
Glory of Zion International Ministries, Inc. < click
takes a second or 2 to load.
the text is below, but the video is awesome.
if you have any idea what they're saying, let me know.
Ya mean he wasn't hatched ??
11 months in the womb....*shiver*
all to make the "prophecy" come to pass to-the-day.
all these guys claim to get reg'lar visits from angels.
some ride cool vehicles to heaven.
they say they have personal convos with God Who, oddly, speaks this hip and funny lingo to them.
you know?
you have GOT to go here
and click play on this video:New Warpaths are Forming in the Earth
Prophecy given on: June 02, 2013 in Corinth, TX by Anne Tate, Chuck Pierce, LeAnn Squier, Deborah DeGar, Shara Collins, Janice Swinney
Glory of Zion International Ministries, Inc. < click
takes a second or 2 to load.
the text is below, but the video is awesome.
if you have any idea what they're saying, let me know.
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No, you don't get it. Railing is a sin, just like lying, name-calling, cussing, or any other sin.
2 Peter 2:11 (KJV)
[SUP]11 [/SUP]Whereas angels, which are greater in power and might, bring not railing accusation against them before the Lord.
[HR][/HR]Jude 1:9 (KJV)
[SUP]9 [/SUP]Yet Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, The Lord rebuke thee.
And no, I don't want to hear how this is not railing, because it is.
No, you don't get it. Railing is a sin, just like lying, name-calling, cussing, or any other sin.
2 Peter 2:11 (KJV)
[SUP]11 [/SUP]Whereas angels, which are greater in power and might, bring not railing accusation against them before the Lord.
[HR][/HR]Jude 1:9 (KJV)
[SUP]9 [/SUP]Yet Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, The Lord rebuke thee.
And no, I don't want to hear how this is not railing, because it is.
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i never claim to be "pious"
LOLOLOL!
you're the one who posted on the Jezebel Spirit! - francis-frangipane and john paul jackson.
all the loonies are their friends and brothers, co-prophets and five-folders.
didn't you know that?
haha.
show me anybody who accepts their rubbish that isn't just like them!
you want it both ways!
uh.....i suggest you start a thread on Lutheranism.
say whatever you want about it
the frozen chosen don't care what charismatics say about them.
this one is called:
Re: Why is the "Jezebel spirit" concept mostly in Charismatic, Pentecostal, WOF circles
it's supposedly about the "Jezebel spirit" concept being found mostly in Charismatic, Pentecostal, WOF circles.
which is true.
also, there are two (2) other threads on the "Jezebel spirit" concept - one YOU started, and one i started.
you can do it, but i can't?
not true.
i don't care if FALSE PROPHETS are offended.
i care that they are hurt - by all that chaos.
that's why i hope God leads them out of that mess.
a few might disagree.
oh stephen...you've been on a witch hunt for months.
you can dish it out...but....
go look at your own threads and posts. spare me the sob story.
it's not working out the way you wanted because your stuff is just unbiblical.
that's the thing. it will never stand, because it's error.
in civil cessationist vs continuationist threads, cessationists endure all that garbage about God is dead; they don't have da spirit; they put God in a box; they don't have enough faith; blar dee blar.
no, i don't really care if you are offended.
you don't accept sound doctrine, so why should i worry about you being offended by sound doctrine?
you're in a pulpit teaching false doctrine.
um....YOU posted the rank Jezebel stuff....you did.
you obviously teach it too.
look in the mirror stephen.
ha?
quit what i'm doing?
as in :
sorry...can't help ya.
if that stupid topic comes up, i'm going to counter it.
i guess you haven't summoned up the courage to read EX-Pentecostal & Charismatic testimonies yet.
there is "a river" of them
no, not my QUOTE "frozen chosen" - that's a Pentecostal/Charismatic term of derision - used here now and then.
it makes me laugh though.
the above is said in all sincerity to YOU.
don't blame God for what you do.
speaking for Him (FALSE PROPHETS); promoting false prophets; babbling in glossolalia and calling it Biblical tongues; reading people's mail and who knows what. falling over in the anointing? all that jazz?
anyways....this thread is:
Re: Why is the "Jezebel spirit" concept mostly in Charismatic, Pentecostal, WOF circles
got an answer yet?
i never claim to be "pious"
LOLOLOL!
you're the one who posted on the Jezebel Spirit! - francis-frangipane and john paul jackson.
all the loonies are their friends and brothers, co-prophets and five-folders.
didn't you know that?
haha.
show me anybody who accepts their rubbish that isn't just like them!
you want it both ways!
uh.....i suggest you start a thread on Lutheranism.
say whatever you want about it
the frozen chosen don't care what charismatics say about them.
this one is called:
Re: Why is the "Jezebel spirit" concept mostly in Charismatic, Pentecostal, WOF circles
it's supposedly about the "Jezebel spirit" concept being found mostly in Charismatic, Pentecostal, WOF circles.
which is true.
also, there are two (2) other threads on the "Jezebel spirit" concept - one YOU started, and one i started.
you can do it, but i can't?
not true.
i don't care if FALSE PROPHETS are offended.
i care that they are hurt - by all that chaos.
that's why i hope God leads them out of that mess.
a few might disagree.
oh stephen...you've been on a witch hunt for months.
you can dish it out...but....
go look at your own threads and posts. spare me the sob story.
it's not working out the way you wanted because your stuff is just unbiblical.
that's the thing. it will never stand, because it's error.
in civil cessationist vs continuationist threads, cessationists endure all that garbage about God is dead; they don't have da spirit; they put God in a box; they don't have enough faith; blar dee blar.
no, i don't really care if you are offended.
you don't accept sound doctrine, so why should i worry about you being offended by sound doctrine?
you're in a pulpit teaching false doctrine.
um....YOU posted the rank Jezebel stuff....you did.
you obviously teach it too.
look in the mirror stephen.
ha?
quit what i'm doing?
as in :
sorry...can't help ya.
if that stupid topic comes up, i'm going to counter it.
i guess you haven't summoned up the courage to read EX-Pentecostal & Charismatic testimonies yet.
there is "a river" of them
no, not my QUOTE "frozen chosen" - that's a Pentecostal/Charismatic term of derision - used here now and then.
it makes me laugh though.
the above is said in all sincerity to YOU.
don't blame God for what you do.
speaking for Him (FALSE PROPHETS); promoting false prophets; babbling in glossolalia and calling it Biblical tongues; reading people's mail and who knows what. falling over in the anointing? all that jazz?
anyways....this thread is:
Re: Why is the "Jezebel spirit" concept mostly in Charismatic, Pentecostal, WOF circles
got an answer yet?
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zone......... you totally missed the bigger picture.
What you're looking for is in plain sight!
Here is a "narcissistic 'full of himself' preacher" who reads other peoples books and then writes his own. He probably doesn't even write it himself, lol!
He writes this book for basically three reasons, the third being the most important.
But that's okay....... I think the only reason you missed it was because you was too busy burning him at the stake.
zone......... you totally missed the bigger picture.
What you're looking for is in plain sight!
Here is a "narcissistic 'full of himself' preacher" who reads other peoples books and then writes his own. He probably doesn't even write it himself, lol!
He writes this book for basically three reasons, the third being the most important.
- To make money
- To build his reputation
- To use the book as a projective device, psychologically projecting through his book and away from himself that he is actually a narcissist. " Thoughtful reflection" is a " in plain sight" phrase which actually means he thoughtfully used the book to reflect away from himself so that nobody would look at him and see his narcissism. After all, he's the champion author, right?
But that's okay....... I think the only reason you missed it was because you was too busy burning him at the stake.
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you...have....got.....to be kidding.
you're telling me i missed the point?
k. let's recap:
you posted his rubbish
you tried to legitimize it
later your said you didnt endorse it
yet you continued with the premise
i started a thread pointing out that - the book was written; the concept (and many others like it) was devised to PROJECT the very things the false prophets (JPJ, FF) - who YOU promoted and endorsed - onto people who REJECT them and their absurd propositions.
namely that God is laying a NEW foundation - the five-fold ministry restored, the NAR, whatever name it goes by.
a restart of the offices and gifts; a Latter rain....ad infinitum.
anyways....i haven't missed anything, stephen. see my thread AGAIN.
i already told you i know your denomination better than you do.
i agree with your avatar's message btw
here you go again with your sacreligious taking of things like persecution - burning at the stake and applying it to people who say - NO WAY! THAT'S BOGUS.
you should quit doing that.
incidentally. isn't this burning him at the stake and destroying his rep?
"[*]To make money
[*]To build his reputation
[*]To use the book as a projective device, psychologically projecting through his book and away from himself that he is actually a narcissist. " Thoughtful reflection" is a " in plain sight" phrase which actually means he thoughtfully used the book to reflect away from himself so that nobody would look at him and see his narcissism. After all, he's the champion author, right?"
zone......... you totally missed the bigger picture.
What you're looking for is in plain sight!
Here is a "narcissistic 'full of himself' preacher" who reads other peoples books and then writes his own. He probably doesn't even write it himself, lol!
He writes this book for basically three reasons, the third being the most important.
But that's okay....... I think the only reason you missed it was because you was too busy burning him at the stake.
What you're looking for is in plain sight!
Here is a "narcissistic 'full of himself' preacher" who reads other peoples books and then writes his own. He probably doesn't even write it himself, lol!
He writes this book for basically three reasons, the third being the most important.
- To make money
- To build his reputation
- To use the book as a projective device, psychologically projecting through his book and away from himself that he is actually a narcissist. " Thoughtful reflection" is a " in plain sight" phrase which actually means he thoughtfully used the book to reflect away from himself so that nobody would look at him and see his narcissism. After all, he's the champion author, right?
But that's okay....... I think the only reason you missed it was because you was too busy burning him at the stake.
you're telling me i missed the point?
k. let's recap:
you posted his rubbish
you tried to legitimize it
later your said you didnt endorse it
yet you continued with the premise
i started a thread pointing out that - the book was written; the concept (and many others like it) was devised to PROJECT the very things the false prophets (JPJ, FF) - who YOU promoted and endorsed - onto people who REJECT them and their absurd propositions.
namely that God is laying a NEW foundation - the five-fold ministry restored, the NAR, whatever name it goes by.
a restart of the offices and gifts; a Latter rain....ad infinitum.
anyways....i haven't missed anything, stephen. see my thread AGAIN.
i already told you i know your denomination better than you do.
i agree with your avatar's message btw
here you go again with your sacreligious taking of things like persecution - burning at the stake and applying it to people who say - NO WAY! THAT'S BOGUS.
you should quit doing that.
incidentally. isn't this burning him at the stake and destroying his rep?
"[*]To make money
[*]To build his reputation
[*]To use the book as a projective device, psychologically projecting through his book and away from himself that he is actually a narcissist. " Thoughtful reflection" is a " in plain sight" phrase which actually means he thoughtfully used the book to reflect away from himself so that nobody would look at him and see his narcissism. After all, he's the champion author, right?"
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Yes I did!
Yep
That's pretty much true, although I don't accept their trash.
I'm saving that for later.
Duh. I know that
Sure you can.
Very few...... mostly your buddies
That's not true at all!!!! Get it right!!!! I'm hunting witch hunters....... big difference
Your're definitely in left field here.
They don't?
Tell the something I don't know.
Yep, she accused me again. Pop quiz: who is the accuser of the brethren?
I sure did post it. I don't teach it, though
I know there are scores of them. Some of them are true. Some of them hurt their own selves by going on wild, revengeful anti-charismatic, anti-Pentecostal rampages. What some of them won't admit is they were messed up before they went into the Pentecostal or charismatic church. every denomination has them.
See? There's one of them doing it right now.
Yeah I have an answer, but I'm saving it for later.
Yes I did!
Yep
haha.
show me anybody who accepts their rubbish that isn't just like them!
you want it both ways!
show me anybody who accepts their rubbish that isn't just like them!
you want it both ways!
uh.....i suggest you start a thread on Lutheranism.
say whatever you want about it
the frozen chosen don't care what charismatics say about them.
say whatever you want about it
the frozen chosen don't care what charismatics say about them.
Duh. I know that
Sure you can.
Very few...... mostly your buddies
oh stephen...you've been on a witch hunt for months.
you can dish it out...but....
you can dish it out...but....
Your're definitely in left field here.
They don't?
Tell the something I don't know.
Yep, she accused me again. Pop quiz: who is the accuser of the brethren?
I sure did post it. I don't teach it, though
I know there are scores of them. Some of them are true. Some of them hurt their own selves by going on wild, revengeful anti-charismatic, anti-Pentecostal rampages. What some of them won't admit is they were messed up before they went into the Pentecostal or charismatic church. every denomination has them.
See? There's one of them doing it right now.
Yeah I have an answer, but I'm saving it for later.
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How bouts we stay on topic.
This thread isn't titled..
"It's not attacking when I go into a thread I disagree with and post, but it is attacking if you come into a thread you disagree with and post."<---Pretty much what folks are talking about.
Some folks need to come to terms that others don't agree with you.
No matter how much ranting and temper tantrum tossing you do, it's not going to change views.
Also you can't accuse others of "attacking" and "derailing" when they come into your threads and speak their views, but then consider it "standing up for the truth" when you do it to other threads.
How bouts we stay on topic.
This thread isn't titled..
"It's not attacking when I go into a thread I disagree with and post, but it is attacking if you come into a thread you disagree with and post."<---Pretty much what folks are talking about.
Some folks need to come to terms that others don't agree with you.
No matter how much ranting and temper tantrum tossing you do, it's not going to change views.
Also you can't accuse others of "attacking" and "derailing" when they come into your threads and speak their views, but then consider it "standing up for the truth" when you do it to other threads.
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