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Re: Why is the "Jezebel spirit" concept mostly in Charismatic, Pentecostal, WOF circl
Yep. Want me to tell you again?
Yep, I posted it. I said at the beginning of the thread that I didn't endorse any of those people.
The only thing you were projecting was the lie that I promoted and endorsed him. I did not.
I don't believe in those teachings.
Yep, you missed it all right. Like, totally.
Spoken like a true narcissist.
You misunderstand me. I agree with some of your views on this junk. It's the METHOD I have a problem with.
I don't think so, because it's absolutely the truth. I checked him out myself. I knew what he was. Don't you remember I posted on that thread about how some people copy others' works?
Yep. Want me to tell you again?
Yep, I posted it. I said at the beginning of the thread that I didn't endorse any of those people.
The only thing you were projecting was the lie that I promoted and endorsed him. I did not.
I don't believe in those teachings.
Yep, you missed it all right. Like, totally.
Spoken like a true narcissist.
You misunderstand me. I agree with some of your views on this junk. It's the METHOD I have a problem with.
I don't think so, because it's absolutely the truth. I checked him out myself. I knew what he was. Don't you remember I posted on that thread about how some people copy others' works?
Re: Why is the "Jezebel spirit" concept mostly in Charismatic, Pentecostal, WOF circl
stephen...this is Stills thread.
your Jezebel thread came right after your EPIC FAIL youre so persecuted by Nebuchadnezzar and Pharaoh thread.
which by your reckoning began around 2010.
you intended to dig around until you found the SPIDER.
like...seriously.
everybody gets that you dont like me, and dont agree with me on anything.
you feel persecuted and your feelings are hurt and all that - yet youre bravely standing up for the innocent and taking a bullet for the team, ciz big bad zone is just so mean.
everybody gets my position toward Pentecostalism; Charismatic chaos and liars who claim God is speaking through prophets (them) today...is.....NOT....going to change.
if you have people who think youre fit to pastor them, GREAT!
thats between them and God.
......
the Jezebel Spirit - your introduction of it onto this forum as a legitimate THING (whatever you guys think it is
), while pretending you`re just putting it out there is shallow and immature.
your motives were revealed; your obsession is in full bloom; and you have indulged in every carnal effort i can think of to shut me up.
its not going to happen stephen
Pentecostal and Charismatic activity and practices are WRONG.
they just plain are.
and i back it up with SCRIPTURE, and with church history, and with exposes of the founders of the WAVES, and testimonies of formers...and whatever else is needed.
and you go on a rant or plan your next attempt to silence critics.
NOT HAPPENING.
okay....thanks for listening.
stephen...this is Stills thread.
your Jezebel thread came right after your EPIC FAIL youre so persecuted by Nebuchadnezzar and Pharaoh thread.
which by your reckoning began around 2010.
you intended to dig around until you found the SPIDER.
like...seriously.
everybody gets that you dont like me, and dont agree with me on anything.
you feel persecuted and your feelings are hurt and all that - yet youre bravely standing up for the innocent and taking a bullet for the team, ciz big bad zone is just so mean.
everybody gets my position toward Pentecostalism; Charismatic chaos and liars who claim God is speaking through prophets (them) today...is.....NOT....going to change.
if you have people who think youre fit to pastor them, GREAT!
thats between them and God.
......
the Jezebel Spirit - your introduction of it onto this forum as a legitimate THING (whatever you guys think it is
), while pretending you`re just putting it out there is shallow and immature.your motives were revealed; your obsession is in full bloom; and you have indulged in every carnal effort i can think of to shut me up.
its not going to happen stephen
Pentecostal and Charismatic activity and practices are WRONG.
they just plain are.
and i back it up with SCRIPTURE, and with church history, and with exposes of the founders of the WAVES, and testimonies of formers...and whatever else is needed.
and you go on a rant or plan your next attempt to silence critics.
NOT HAPPENING.
okay....thanks for listening.
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Re: Why is the "Jezebel spirit" concept mostly in Charismatic, Pentecostal, WOF circl
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Folks having a calm discussion over coffee don't tend to call each other narcissist.
So yes, I'm trying to diffuse and deescalate.
This has gone from a discussion on the intended topic to a he said she said, over who said what in another thread, reaching the point someone accuses another of being a narcissist.
Link--> http://christianchat.com/bible-disc...c-pentecostal-wof-circles-15.html#post1124759
Folks having a calm discussion over coffee don't tend to call each other narcissist.
So yes, I'm trying to diffuse and deescalate.
This has gone from a discussion on the intended topic to a he said she said, over who said what in another thread, reaching the point someone accuses another of being a narcissist.
Re: Why is the "Jezebel spirit" concept mostly in Charismatic, Pentecostal, WOF circl
i think its best if you and i steer clear of each other.
i think you need a rest or something.
okay.
thank you.
if i post on stuff you dont like....dont read it - and vice versa.
sounds like a deal ill keep.
you do whatcha want.
i think its best if you and i steer clear of each other.
i think you need a rest or something.
okay.
thank you.
if i post on stuff you dont like....dont read it - and vice versa.
sounds like a deal ill keep.
you do whatcha want.
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Re: Why is the "Jezebel spirit" concept mostly in Charismatic, Pentecostal, WOF circl
It is a fact that some Christian people resemble the biblical character Jezabel (in their behavior), and some people want to call attention to it, so it can be resisted. Jezabel was not a Christian in any sense of the term. Yet some of the Christian's who use this term claim to see this spirit within the Church.
If God gives people over to their enemies (either physical or spiritual) when they refuse to live in Love (patience and kindness) does this then suggest to you (as it does to me) that God has given over (to their enemies), that segment of Christianity in which this spirit is present? That means that if a Christian has the Spirit of Jezabel it is because they are being discipline by God.
Understand that what I am saying is that this Spirit is in the Pentecostal denominations because they have in essence refused to Love (be patient and kind towards others). For this reason they have been given over to their enemies.
Those people trying to combat this are trying to bring it to the attention of those who are effected by this so-called Jezabel Spirit. If you look into their literature you will of course find that John Paul Jackson and Francis Frangipane are godly men. Demeaning them publically is not a good idea. So people don't agree on Doctrine, nothing about this is new - there must be differences among you so that it becomes apparent who has God's approval, 1 Cor 11:19.
1Co 11:19 (ASV) For there must be also factions among you, that they that are approved may be made manifest among you.
Now if the Bible teaches us to pray for each other and bear one another's burdens in order to comply with the Law of Christ. Shouldn't we pray for these misguided people/denominations?
Most people who have been given over to ungodly spirits etc. do not recognize it as judgement. But it is, because if a persons ways please God He can make even their enemies to be at peace with that person, Pr 16:7.
Pr 16:7 When a man's ways please Jehovah, He maketh even his enemies to be at peace with him.
(ASV)
Respectfully - Brian
It is a fact that some Christian people resemble the biblical character Jezabel (in their behavior), and some people want to call attention to it, so it can be resisted. Jezabel was not a Christian in any sense of the term. Yet some of the Christian's who use this term claim to see this spirit within the Church.
If God gives people over to their enemies (either physical or spiritual) when they refuse to live in Love (patience and kindness) does this then suggest to you (as it does to me) that God has given over (to their enemies), that segment of Christianity in which this spirit is present? That means that if a Christian has the Spirit of Jezabel it is because they are being discipline by God.
Understand that what I am saying is that this Spirit is in the Pentecostal denominations because they have in essence refused to Love (be patient and kind towards others). For this reason they have been given over to their enemies.
Those people trying to combat this are trying to bring it to the attention of those who are effected by this so-called Jezabel Spirit. If you look into their literature you will of course find that John Paul Jackson and Francis Frangipane are godly men. Demeaning them publically is not a good idea. So people don't agree on Doctrine, nothing about this is new - there must be differences among you so that it becomes apparent who has God's approval, 1 Cor 11:19.
1Co 11:19 (ASV) For there must be also factions among you, that they that are approved may be made manifest among you.
Now if the Bible teaches us to pray for each other and bear one another's burdens in order to comply with the Law of Christ. Shouldn't we pray for these misguided people/denominations?
Most people who have been given over to ungodly spirits etc. do not recognize it as judgement. But it is, because if a persons ways please God He can make even their enemies to be at peace with that person, Pr 16:7.
Pr 16:7 When a man's ways please Jehovah, He maketh even his enemies to be at peace with him.
(ASV)
Respectfully - Brian
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Re: Why is the "Jezebel spirit" concept mostly in Charismatic, Pentecostal, WOF circl
You are so detail oriented...... you must keep notes . How can someone keep up with so much on someone like me unless..... maybe somebody has a hangup? A vendetta? An agenda? Have you trying to find me on the Internet?
One thing about it...... you're a serious little groundhog, I grant ya that
Oh, and you need to pay close attention when I say this: Read my lips. I never said anywhere that you were the spider. To put your little mind at ease, let me be a little plainer; you're not the spider. Happy now?
l Actually, I do agree with you on some things. It's just your methods are so off base that I won't touch them.
Honestly, I don't feel persecuted like I once did. Somebody reminded me I need to get over that. So I did.
As far as you being so mean, well, that's true. But let me remind you...... there's someone else on here that's meaner than you. And, no, it's not me.
I don't expect you to. I would however, wish you would be more Christ like when dealing with the issue.
It's a big topic. There's a real issue. But no, I don't truly believe the name is legitimate. Never have.
There is a real problem. It involves unclean spirits. You don't have to believe that if you don't want to. The name Jezebel spirit is a misnomer.
My motives are not revealed yet.
Obsession...... well, that's pretty close. I think the proper word is mission.
Indulged in every carnal effort? No. If I did that, you would know it. I don't have to do that.
Shut you up? Why would I want to do that? The more you talk the more I can.
Oh, this is a good one. Some of them are.
Since you like conspiracy theories, you ought to see how much Freemasonry and illuminati has embedded itself into the charismatic and Pentecostal movements. You know it is. I see your quotes. And you're right. And I would guess that they are more into these movements then there are other denominations, at least on TV anyway.
You yourself know these guys infiltrate the programs that matter most. So, what are they doing in these two movements? They didn't create them.
You say Pentecostal and charismatic practices are wrong. I will admit some are. It disgusts me. But if you looked into the LCMS like you do these, you would end up being very mad or crying, for there's a lot to be found. I did a search for half an hour and found three heretical teachings that corrupt the plan of salvation, and that was on their site.
If you want to read about ranting, just read your own posts. They're full of it.
You are so detail oriented...... you must keep notes . How can someone keep up with so much on someone like me unless..... maybe somebody has a hangup? A vendetta? An agenda? Have you trying to find me on the Internet?
One thing about it...... you're a serious little groundhog, I grant ya that
Oh, and you need to pay close attention when I say this: Read my lips. I never said anywhere that you were the spider. To put your little mind at ease, let me be a little plainer; you're not the spider. Happy now?
l Actually, I do agree with you on some things. It's just your methods are so off base that I won't touch them.
Honestly, I don't feel persecuted like I once did. Somebody reminded me I need to get over that. So I did.
As far as you being so mean, well, that's true. But let me remind you...... there's someone else on here that's meaner than you. And, no, it's not me.
I don't expect you to. I would however, wish you would be more Christ like when dealing with the issue.
the Jezebel Spirit - your introduction of it onto this forum as a legitimate THING (whatever you guys think it is), while pretending you`re just putting it out there is shallow and immature.
), while pretending you`re just putting it out there is shallow and immature.
There is a real problem. It involves unclean spirits. You don't have to believe that if you don't want to. The name Jezebel spirit is a misnomer.
your motives were revealed; your obsession is in full bloom; and you have indulged in every carnal effort i can think of to shut me up.
its not going to happen stephen
its not going to happen stephen
Obsession...... well, that's pretty close. I think the proper word is mission.
Indulged in every carnal effort? No. If I did that, you would know it. I don't have to do that.
Shut you up? Why would I want to do that? The more you talk the more I can.
Oh, this is a good one. Some of them are.
Since you like conspiracy theories, you ought to see how much Freemasonry and illuminati has embedded itself into the charismatic and Pentecostal movements. You know it is. I see your quotes. And you're right. And I would guess that they are more into these movements then there are other denominations, at least on TV anyway.
You yourself know these guys infiltrate the programs that matter most. So, what are they doing in these two movements? They didn't create them.
You say Pentecostal and charismatic practices are wrong. I will admit some are. It disgusts me. But if you looked into the LCMS like you do these, you would end up being very mad or crying, for there's a lot to be found. I did a search for half an hour and found three heretical teachings that corrupt the plan of salvation, and that was on their site.
If you want to read about ranting, just read your own posts. They're full of it.
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Re: Why is the "Jezebel spirit" concept mostly in Charismatic, Pentecostal, WOF circl
Pentecostal's who babble away do not think they have been given over to a spirit of confusion. However the word "babble" means confusion.
2Th 2:11 And for this cause God sendeth them a working of error, that they should believe a lie:
2Th 2:12 (ASV) that they all might be judged who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
These Pentecostals believe fervently that the babbling is what makes them more spiritual. They are proud and feel that this babbling is God given evidence that they are filled with the same Spirit as Jesus has. Some people understand however that their misguided notions (confusion) is discipline from God because they have refused to Love God and their neighbor.
I think it is the same with those who exhibit the characteristics of Jezabel. They really don't recognize what they are doing.
God is no respecter of persons - if we refuse to love our deluded brethren and pray for them we risk becoming unloving ourselves. Since God is just and no respecter of persons we could then be given over to a spirit of confusion in another area of Life, criticism for example.
Brian
Pentecostal's who babble away do not think they have been given over to a spirit of confusion. However the word "babble" means confusion.
2Th 2:11 And for this cause God sendeth them a working of error, that they should believe a lie:
2Th 2:12 (ASV) that they all might be judged who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
These Pentecostals believe fervently that the babbling is what makes them more spiritual. They are proud and feel that this babbling is God given evidence that they are filled with the same Spirit as Jesus has. Some people understand however that their misguided notions (confusion) is discipline from God because they have refused to Love God and their neighbor.
I think it is the same with those who exhibit the characteristics of Jezabel. They really don't recognize what they are doing.
God is no respecter of persons - if we refuse to love our deluded brethren and pray for them we risk becoming unloving ourselves. Since God is just and no respecter of persons we could then be given over to a spirit of confusion in another area of Life, criticism for example.
Brian
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Re: Why is the "Jezebel spirit" concept mostly in Charismatic, Pentecostal, WOF circl
You have frequently asked "Where is that in the bible?" but just because the bible does not mention something does not make it false. This is a particular logical fallacy that some Christians engage in. I have stated once before to you that if the bible fails to mention a subject it is not proof of non-existance.
Where in the bible does it mention Australia? If the bible is silent on the issue of Australia can we conclude it does not exist? Of course not. Even so, you have resorted to this illogical line of reasoning in almost every post directed to me.
Back to your question:
Let me get this right, you want proof that witches can "call up demons".
1) There is the witch of Endor in the bible. She was a Medium who could contact the dead. We as Christians know the bible says human spirits do not wander the earth. So the dead that shge calls up is in fact demons.
2) In Acts 16 Paul and Silas encounter a Psychic possessed by a spirit of divination. She brought her masters a nice income by doing this, until Paul cast the demon out of her.
3) Simon the sorcerer (Acts 8:9-25) was a man who amazed others by his magic. They said of him, “This man is the power of God that is called Great.” The bible does not say his power came from demons, but how else could he do signs and wonders?
Now let me ask you some questions, if I may. Where does the bible mention New Zealand, the Great Lakes, the Pyramids, tulips or the Pacific Ocean? According to your logic, if the bible does not mention them, they do not exist.
Sounds silly right?
You have frequently asked "Where is that in the bible?" but just because the bible does not mention something does not make it false. This is a particular logical fallacy that some Christians engage in. I have stated once before to you that if the bible fails to mention a subject it is not proof of non-existance.
Where in the bible does it mention Australia? If the bible is silent on the issue of Australia can we conclude it does not exist? Of course not. Even so, you have resorted to this illogical line of reasoning in almost every post directed to me.
Back to your question:
Let me get this right, you want proof that witches can "call up demons".
1) There is the witch of Endor in the bible. She was a Medium who could contact the dead. We as Christians know the bible says human spirits do not wander the earth. So the dead that shge calls up is in fact demons.
2) In Acts 16 Paul and Silas encounter a Psychic possessed by a spirit of divination. She brought her masters a nice income by doing this, until Paul cast the demon out of her.
3) Simon the sorcerer (Acts 8:9-25) was a man who amazed others by his magic. They said of him, “This man is the power of God that is called Great.” The bible does not say his power came from demons, but how else could he do signs and wonders?
Now let me ask you some questions, if I may. Where does the bible mention New Zealand, the Great Lakes, the Pyramids, tulips or the Pacific Ocean? According to your logic, if the bible does not mention them, they do not exist.
Sounds silly right?
Re: Why is the "Jezebel spirit" concept mostly in Charismatic, Pentecostal, WOF circl
That was not what i asked. Again I asked this
UMM You aren't getting any of my logic. First again I believe that God gave us everything we need to live as He told within His given word. We do not need to add stuff outside of what He has told us to be free. All that we need spiritually He has already told us. When we start adding stuff we get onto dangerous ground. He doesn't want us going there because it's not good for us to mess with that stuff. It's dangerous and can be spiritually deadly.
Did Jesus mean what He said or not
John 8
31 To the Jews who had believed him, Jesus said, “If you hold to my teaching, you are really my disciples. 32 Then you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free.”
33 They answered him, “We are Abraham’s descendants and have never been slaves of anyone. How can you say that we shall be set free?”
34 Jesus replied, “Very truly I tell you, everyone who sins is a slave to sin. 35 Now a slave has no permanent place in the family, but a son belongs to it forever. 36 So if the Son sets you free, you will be free indeed. 37 I know that you are Abraham’s descendants. Yet you are looking for a way to kill me, because you have no room for my word.38 I am telling you what I have seen in the Father’s presence, and you are doing what you have heard from your father.[b]”
We are also told to resist the devil and he will flee. You can not find a single apostle telling us to cast out demons out of believers not once. Jesus tells us it's past tense when He frees us we ARE FREE not WILL be free. We just need to stand on His word and not add anything to that.
That was not what i asked. Again I asked this
UMM You aren't getting any of my logic. First again I believe that God gave us everything we need to live as He told within His given word. We do not need to add stuff outside of what He has told us to be free. All that we need spiritually He has already told us. When we start adding stuff we get onto dangerous ground. He doesn't want us going there because it's not good for us to mess with that stuff. It's dangerous and can be spiritually deadly.
Did Jesus mean what He said or not
John 8
31 To the Jews who had believed him, Jesus said, “If you hold to my teaching, you are really my disciples. 32 Then you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free.”
33 They answered him, “We are Abraham’s descendants and have never been slaves of anyone. How can you say that we shall be set free?”
34 Jesus replied, “Very truly I tell you, everyone who sins is a slave to sin. 35 Now a slave has no permanent place in the family, but a son belongs to it forever. 36 So if the Son sets you free, you will be free indeed. 37 I know that you are Abraham’s descendants. Yet you are looking for a way to kill me, because you have no room for my word.38 I am telling you what I have seen in the Father’s presence, and you are doing what you have heard from your father.[b]”
We are also told to resist the devil and he will flee. You can not find a single apostle telling us to cast out demons out of believers not once. Jesus tells us it's past tense when He frees us we ARE FREE not WILL be free. We just need to stand on His word and not add anything to that.
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Re: Why is the "Jezebel spirit" concept mostly in Charismatic, Pentecostal, WOF circl
What does 1 John 4 speak of, doesn't it tell us how to tell if a spirit is good or bad, sarasara, and what we are to do IF the spirit is bad ?
This is speaking of a believer being possessed by a bad spirit?
What does 1 John 4 speak of, doesn't it tell us how to tell if a spirit is good or bad, sarasara, and what we are to do IF the spirit is bad ?
This is speaking of a believer being possessed by a bad spirit?