The image of Jesus Christ is a pagan image!!

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Under the Age of Pisces we have seen the Piscean archetypes of sacrifice of the individual ego, universal love and compassion, assimilation, and the more negative projections of illusion, fantasy and delusion. Each astrological age has been represented by a deistic pantheon; the end of each age is marked by the ending of the worship of that pantheon. The Piscean Age has been marked by the growth of the three major monotheistic religions, each of which claims to be the only correct one, and the attempted dissolution of the individual ego.
As we move from the Piscean age into Aquarius, the awakener, we are being shown that the Emperor doesn't have any clothes, that any unreality upon which we have based our religious foundations will be shattered in the upcoming years. The ideas in The Da Vinci Code have been around for 2000 years, but they are only now erupting into the public awareness. What will this mean for humanity? The Dawning of the Age of Aquarius

In the Piscean Age are believers without knowledge, but now the truth has come into the world so that we will leave from believers and turn into sons and which a son knows his father and which they doesn't need to build up their faith in believing in their father. So this transformation is going on right now. There is twelve zodiac signs and Pisces means new beginning and which Jesus is; and it is the sign that represent leaving the winter.

You were fortunate enough to be born under the humanitarian zodiac sign of Aquarius. You are therefore ruled by electric and progressive Uranus making you forward thinking and self-directed. You’re a born revolutionary so no one can tell you how to live your life. Your clear-cut approach makes it perfectly clear just how differently you wish to experience life.

You just don’t want to be like others and take pride in the fact that you’re so unique. Even if you’re occasionally criticized for your cheeky attitude, you’d far prefer to be self-sufficient rather than being a sheep in society who follows everyone else’s lead. The 12 Signs of the Zodiac: Aquarius

Matthew 12:32

Anyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven, but anyone who speaks against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven, either in this age or in the age to come.

So you're actually saying that the little Christian fish stickers on the back of people's cars has something to do with the Piscean age? Surely not!
 
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The images of Jesus that Christians have in their churches, homes, Bibles, Sunday School or Sabbath School books are those which have the outward features of the chief pagan gods of the heathen world. This is the image of Greek God Zeus
With the time of Constantine a new type of JESUS began to be portrayed among the Christian population of the Roman Empire. They took the style of grooming typical of the pagan gods and adopted it as their
“JESUS” The above drawing is from a bust in the British Museum of Sarapis, the Egyptian version of Zeus, chief of the Gentile gods. See Harper’s Dictionary of Classical Literature and Antiquities, article “Coma.”


Which ls the same image of Jesus Christ we see in the churches and homes today.

Proof:

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Note the long hair!Such long feminine type of hair on a man is how evil spirits are portrayed in the Book of Revelation Re

Revelation 9:7-8 And the shapes of the locusts [were] like unto horses prepared unto battle; and on their heads [were] as it were crowns like gold, and their faces [were] as the faces of men.
And they had hair as the hair of women, and their teeth were as [the teeth] of lions.


Paul says in 1 Cor

1C 11:14 Doth not even nature itself teach you, that, if a man have long hair, it is a shame unto him?
1C 11:16 But if any man seem to be contentious, we have no such custom, neither the churches of God.

Jesus Christ is our spiritual high priest according to Heb 9:11, see what God says to all high priests in israel
Ezk 44:20 Neither shall they shave their heads, nor suffer their locks to grow long; they shall only poll their heads.
All Jews used to follow what the High priest do in Israel.No Jews ever had long hair, like we see in these pictures.

2. Jesus Christ was not handsome and healthy like this.See Prophet Isaiah telling about the coming Messiah

Isa 53:1-5Who hath believed our report? and to whom is the arm of the LORD revealed?
For he shall grow up before him as a tender plant, and as a root out of a dry ground: he hath no form nor comeliness; and when we shall see him, there is no beauty that we should desire him.
He is despised and rejected of men; a man of sorrows, and acquainted with grief: and we hid as it were our faces from him; he was despised, and we esteemed him not.
But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed.


If you take Rotherhams translation, its more clear

Isa 53:1-5Who, believed what we have heard? And, the arm of Yahweh, to whom was it revealed? When he came up as a sapling before him, And as a root-sprout out of dry ground, He had neither beauty nor majesty,—When we beheld him, there was nothing to behold, that we should desire him;

Despised was he, and forsaken of men, Man of pains, and familiar with sickness,—Yea, like one from whom the face is hidden, Despised, and we esteemed him not.

¶ Yet surely, our sicknesses, he, carried, And, as for our pains, he bare the burden of them,—But, we, accounted him stricken, Smitten of God, and humbled.
Yet, he, was pierced for transgressions that were ours, was crushed for iniquities that were ours,—The chastisement for our well-being, was upon him, And, by his stripes, there is healing for us.


3.Idolatory is prohibited in Christianity, be it made of stones or drawings

Strong's dictionary of New Testament:

G1497 eidolon i'-do-lon

an image (i.e. for worship);


"An image", we are not supposed to keep an image of God.Jesus says:

Jn 4:23-24 But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him.God [is] a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship [him] in spirit and in truth.

Jesus Christ says this after he says that time will come when people will no longer go to mountains or Jerusalem to worship. That is how people used to worship according to Old Testament. After Jesus' resurrection, we are to pray ourself inside, no need to go to any place to worship God.


Dear Brothers and Sisters, i would like to know your opinion on this. If anyone have any other points to add, please!!!
How can you pray for someone who is sick if you don't go to church to find out who is sick?
In the church I grew up with, we have two large paintings and one large statue. The one painting represents Jesus either going up into the clouds or coming down appearing to his people I really don't remember. The other painting is Jesus praying on a rock in the garden. And the statue is of Jesus with holes in his hands and feet in the middle of the alter where everyone can see it like the two pictures, up high. I asked my mother once about that and she said, "do you pray to that statue?" I said no. She said " does it look alive?" I said no. She said " does it look like it can heal anyone?" I said no. She said " that's right son, it was given to the church from someone that was very grateful to God for his gift of being an artist.

We look at it as a constant reminder of the gift of Jesus the Word and the hell he went through so we don't have to.

Jesus in the flesh is a Jew and he was brought up in the Jewish laws. Including having his hair cut to proper length. However, I'm quite sure that by the time he was hanging on the stick of wood his hair what wasn't pulled out was long because to the Jews, he was an outcast not conforming to their laws and rules, plus He didn't have time to get a hair cut he was too busy teaching the Word of the Father. LOL

Was Jesus a white man? No. Am I? yes. Does it matter to me? No. It wouldn't bother me If Jesus is Black. I don't get my forgiveness from the color of his skin.

Was he tall? No. Was he handsome? Only to his mother.

If everyone in the classroom was asked to draw a picture of what they think Jesus looked like and your picture was blank, everyone else would think there is something wrong with you and be critical. And the moral of the story is don't be the same way. God loves all of us for our differences as He made us that way on purpose for His pleasure. An idol is only an idol when you make it or use it for that. We don't. I have a small and a large picture of Jesus, but I don't keep them for a good luck charm, I also have pictures of friends and relatives....just a reminder, something to ponder on. Nothing more.
 
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How can you pray for someone who is sick if you don't go to church to find out who is sick?
In the church I grew up with, we have two large paintings and one large statue. The one painting represents Jesus either going up into the clouds or coming down appearing to his people I really don't remember. The other painting is Jesus praying on a rock in the garden. And the statue is of Jesus with holes in his hands and feet in the middle of the alter where everyone can see it like the two pictures, up high. I asked my mother once about that and she said, "do you pray to that statue?" I said no. She said " does it look alive?" I said no. She said " does it look like it can heal anyone?" I said no. She said " that's right son, it was given to the church from someone that was very grateful to God for his gift of being an artist.

We look at it as a constant reminder of the gift of Jesus the Word and the hell he went through so we don't have to.

Jesus in the flesh is a Jew and he was brought up in the Jewish laws. Including having his hair cut to proper length. However, I'm quite sure that by the time he was hanging on the stick of wood his hair what wasn't pulled out was long because to the Jews, he was an outcast not conforming to their laws and rules, plus He didn't have time to get a hair cut he was too busy teaching the Word of the Father. LOL

Was Jesus a white man? No. Am I? yes. Does it matter to me? No. It wouldn't bother me If Jesus is Black. I don't get my forgiveness from the color of his skin.

Was he tall? No. Was he handsome? Only to his mother.

If everyone in the classroom was asked to draw a picture of what they think Jesus looked like and your picture was blank, everyone else would think there is something wrong with you and be critical. And the moral of the story is don't be the same way. God loves all of us for our differences as He made us that way on purpose for His pleasure. An idol is only an idol when you make it or use it for that. We don't. I have a small and a large picture of Jesus, but I don't keep them for a good luck charm, I also have pictures of friends and relatives....just a reminder, something to ponder on. Nothing more.
This is all very nice, and it is wonderful ideas for those who do not belong to God. I am sure the child would be praised for his artwork. I am sure the worldly people would put the child down for putting God's ways first and not drawing God, that is the way of the world.

If you go by scripture and what God says, if you belong in God's family walking in the narrow road God lays out for us to live abundantly and eternally, then these things are not for you. God says no. God is a spirit and he does not want us to make images of him in the physical world.
 
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Sanashankar

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Gee i guess im pagan then :)
You are a pagan or not, i don't know, but its a shame, because Paul says:

1C 11:14 Doth not even nature itself teach you, that, if a man have long hair, it is a shame unto him?

I don't believe Jesus Christ was walking with full of shame!!!

And you don't belong to the Church of God( not according to me, but Paul)

1C 11:16 But if any man seem to be contentious, we have no such custom, neither the churches of God.
 
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Sanashankar

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The image of Jesus Christ is a pagan image!!.....yes...so?
"Be careful not to be ensnared by inquiring about their gods, saying, "How do these nations serve their gods? We will do the same." You must not worship the Lord your God in their way, . . ." (Deut.12:30-31 NIV).

"Do not learn the ways of the nations [heathens] . . ." (Jer.10:2 NIV)
 
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Sanashankar

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How can you pray for someone who is sick if you don't go to church to find out who is sick?
In the church I grew up with, we have two large paintings and one large statue. The one painting represents Jesus either going up into the clouds or coming down appearing to his people I really don't remember. The other painting is Jesus praying on a rock in the garden. And the statue is of Jesus with holes in his hands and feet in the middle of the alter where everyone can see it like the two pictures, up high. I asked my mother once about that and she said, "do you pray to that statue?" I said no. She said " does it look alive?" I said no. She said " does it look like it can heal anyone?" I said no. She said " that's right son, it was given to the church from someone that was very grateful to God for his gift of being an artist.

We look at it as a constant reminder of the gift of Jesus the Word and the hell he went through so we don't have to.

Jesus in the flesh is a Jew and he was brought up in the Jewish laws. Including having his hair cut to proper length. However, I'm quite sure that by the time he was hanging on the stick of wood his hair what wasn't pulled out was long because to the Jews, he was an outcast not conforming to their laws and rules, plus He didn't have time to get a hair cut he was too busy teaching the Word of the Father. LOL

Was Jesus a white man? No. Am I? yes. Does it matter to me? No. It wouldn't bother me If Jesus is Black. I don't get my forgiveness from the color of his skin.

Was he tall? No. Was he handsome? Only to his mother.

If everyone in the classroom was asked to draw a picture of what they think Jesus looked like and your picture was blank, everyone else would think there is something wrong with you and be critical. And the moral of the story is don't be the same way. God loves all of us for our differences as He made us that way on purpose for His pleasure. An idol is only an idol when you make it or use it for that. We don't. I have a small and a large picture of Jesus, but I don't keep them for a good luck charm, I also have pictures of friends and relatives....just a reminder, something to ponder on. Nothing more.
I can only give u the scripture( which u cant deny)

"Be careful not to be ensnared by inquiring about their gods, saying, "How do these nations serve their gods? We will do the same." You must not worship the Lord your God in their way, . . ." (Deut.12:30-31 NIV).
"Do not learn the ways of the nations [heathens] . . ." (Jer.10:2 NIV)


Drawing picture of Gods and making idols are not there in the Bible, God strictly warns everybody not to do it.Its a pagan thing. according to the above verse, we are not to worship God, in the way heahens do.

Did i go wrong in that?
 

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Drawing picture of Gods and making idols are not there in the Bible, God strictly warns everybody not to do it.Its a pagan thing. according to the above verse, we are not to worship God, in the way heahens do.

Did i go wrong in that?
God is always careful in the OT not to reveal his face to the people. Moses and Elijah come closest, but even they only see his passing, never his actual face.

Yet Jesus humbles Himself, taking on the nature of a servant, living amongst us, eating, sleeping, eating with sinners, showing compassion to Gentiles. He gives them his Spirit even though they are not even ceremonially unclean by the standards of the Mosaic Law.

While I'm not big on pictures of Jesus myself, and think most of them are terrible just at the level of ethnic accuracy, the question still remains - people saw the face of Jesus. People saw his body, in which dwelt the fullness of God and man, hung on a cross. So how does the Incarnation, and as a result showing a representation of Jesus as a man with a face, tell us about God's grace and Christ. What does it tell us about how we can know God? Personally, face to face. And yet not, in all His fulness, until the end.
 
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nathan3

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It's just a picture.
 
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Sanashankar

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To me it's just a golden calf, I would not bow down to it.
In ur profile i see this verse as ur fav one

2 Timothy 2:7 Consider what I say, and may the Lord give you understanding in all things.

Paul said this..What should we consider???whatever he said....some of the things Paul said:

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2cOR 5:16 Wherefore henceforth, we know no man according to the flesh. And if we have known Christ according to the flesh; but now we know him so no longer.
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2C 6:16 And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in [them]; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.

Don't u think it is necessary to follow what Paul has said, to become a good Christian?
 
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Sanashankar

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It's just a picture.
God gave permission only for the Nazerites to have long hair, not common man, not even priests( if i am not wrong). Jesus was not a nazerite, because he drank wine,he went near dead bodies....

Otherwise,long hair is a shame as Paul says, don't like to see Jesus in a shameful way...

1C 11:14 Doth not even nature itself teach you, that, if a man have long hair, it is a shame unto him?

Only evil spirits mentioned in the Bible has long hair

Rev 9:8 And they had hair as the hair of women, and their teeth were as [the teeth] of lions.


i think Paul said that we are temple of God,

2C 6:16 And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in [them]; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.

It might not be a big deal, but it is unscriptural to have images. and anything unscriptural is not accepted by God.

Dt 5:8 Thou shalt not make thee [any] graven image, [or] any likeness [of any thing] that [is] in heaven above, or that [is] in the earth beneath, or that [is] in the waters beneath the earth:

God says it is a curse...i just tried to show that....
 
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Sanashankar

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God is always careful in the OT not to reveal his face to the people. Moses and Elijah come closest, but even they only see his passing, never his actual face.

Yet Jesus humbles Himself, taking on the nature of a servant, living amongst us, eating, sleeping, eating with sinners, showing compassion to Gentiles. He gives them his Spirit even though they are not even ceremonially unclean by the standards of the Mosaic Law.

While I'm not big on pictures of Jesus myself, and think most of them are terrible just at the level of ethnic accuracy, the question still remains - people saw the face of Jesus. People saw his body, in which dwelt the fullness of God and man, hung on a cross. So how does the Incarnation, and as a result showing a representation of Jesus as a man with a face, tell us about God's grace and Christ. What does it tell us about how we can know God? Personally, face to face. And yet not, in all His fulness, until the end.
By telling it is incorrect to look at the image and worship, im trying to emphasis these verses which is told by Jesus himself:


Jn 4:21 Jesus saith unto her, Woman, believe me, the hour cometh, when ye shall neither in this mountain(churches/temple of God...anything), nor yet at Jerusalem, worship the Father.

Jn 4:23-24 But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him. God [is] a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship [him] in spirit and in truth.


Isn't that a truth??
 

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By telling it is incorrect to look at the image and worship, im trying to emphasis these verses which is told by Jesus himself:


Jn 4:21 Jesus saith unto her, Woman, believe me, the hour cometh, when ye shall neither in this mountain(churches/temple of God...anything), nor yet at Jerusalem, worship the Father.

Jn 4:23-24 But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him. God [is] a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship [him] in spirit and in truth.


Isn't that a truth??
It is a truth, but I don't think those verses are saying what you want them to say. They are talking about a time when the physical places of worship will no longer apply. That says nothing about whether Jesus should be shown in picture form. You don't NEED a physical depiction of him any more than the OT Israel needed physical depictions. But the fact remains - Jesus was visible in the flesh, and there is something important theologically in that.
 
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danschance

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The bible does not mention Jesus' physical appearance. Ever wonder why that was omitted?

If we did have an idea of what he looked like, people might be worshipping his image instead of him.
 
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Sanashankar

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It is a truth, but I don't think those verses are saying what you want them to say. They are talking about a time when the physical places of worship will no longer apply. That says nothing about whether Jesus should be shown in picture form. You don't NEED a physical depiction of him any more than the OT Israel needed physical depictions. But the fact remains - Jesus was visible in the flesh, and there is something important theologically in that.
2C 6:16 And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in [them]; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.
 

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2C 6:16 And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in [them]; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.
Great verse. But I don't understand the relevance?
 
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nathan3

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I have read some, and some facts seem off. like not facts. I would allow some more time for study before reaching a conclusion on these things just yet Sanashankar, in my most careful opinion.
 
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The pictures in churches today depicting Christ is actually Cesar borgais. He's the second son of the 6the pope of Rome.let's just put it in a nutshell and says he was a very bad person. Go to YouTube and check out ( popes praying to a black Jesus) they know the truth and hide it from the masses.

According to Daniel 14 And revelation 1, Christ would be a dark skinned brotha, not olive or a middle easern , but he would be a so called negro according to scripture.
 
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This is all very nice, and it is wonderful ideas for those who do not belong to God. I am sure the child would be praised for his artwork. I am sure the worldly people would put the child down for putting God's ways first and not drawing God, that is the way of the world.

If you go by scripture and what God says, if you belong in God's family walking in the narrow road God lays out for us to live abundantly and eternally, then these things are not for you. God says no. God is a spirit and he does not want us to make images of him in the physical world.

Well that's your opinion and you are certainly welcome to it but no.. When you understand Gods word better in time you will know it's ok with God.
 
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I can only give u the scripture( which u cant deny)

"Be careful not to be ensnared by inquiring about their gods, saying, "How do these nations serve their gods? We will do the same." You must not worship the Lord your God in their way, . . ." (Deut.12:30-31 NIV).
"Do not learn the ways of the nations [heathens] . . ." (Jer.10:2 NIV)


Drawing picture of Gods and making idols are not there in the Bible, God strictly warns everybody not to do it.Its a pagan thing. according to the above verse, we are not to worship God, in the way heahens do.

Did i go wrong in that?


No you did not go wrong in SOME of that, Drawing pictures of horses is not in the bible either but I'm sure the Lord don't mind atall. It's idols He don't care for. Idols are things people pray to. A statue of the Lord is not an idol unless we were praying to it. And we don't. Now you are going to bring up the commandment about graven images yes? He's talking about idols. You see, Gods word is deeeeeeeep in understanding. And it seems you might be a little shallow.