Tithing

[annointedshepherd]

what is your opinion on the tithe do you understand the tithe and do you give the tithe???

 

[kenisyes]

Tithing is the law for children (and milk Christians). Knowing it all belongs to God and has been entrusted to you, is for the mature. You give in line with God's call and this helps you grow in understanding your position in the Kingdom.

 

[phil36]

I think you'll get many answers here.. my own view on this is that tithing is from the heart..its what your lead to give. But you have to give it with the right heart attitude and not expect anything in return..then its not a tithe.. it would be like using the church as a stock market.

Some say that we should follow the OT pattern of 10 percent.. however whether you go with that or not it should be a joyul giving... and not expecting in return. That's my view anointedshepard..

Its all God's anyhow

 

[annointedshepherd]

I think you'll get many answers here.. my own view on this is that tithing is from the heart..its what your lead to give. But you have to give it with the right heart attitude and not expect anything in return..then its not a tithe.. it would be like using the church as a stock market.

Some say that we should follow the OT pattern of 10 percent.. however whether you go with that or not it should be a joyul giving... and not expecting in return. That's my view anointedshepard..

Its all God's anyhow

what if i was to tell you that thats not the correct answer my Brother

 

[prodigal]

tithing was always the first fruit i.e. crop or animals or sale of land/property, no where in the bible does it tell a man to tithe out of his labour, yes you can give an offering, and if you are about to quote malachi, he was talking to the leaders who were using the tithe for themselves and not caring for the widow and the fatherless. So offerings are fine but if your being pushed to tithe out of obligation i would question it tottaly. Give ceasar what belongs to ceasar, by the way we are told to care for our relatives and Jesus even said to the pharisees that they make people give to the temple before looking after there parents and so cause them to break one of the 10 commandment. honour your parents. blessings

 

[phil36]

what if i was to tell you that thats not the correct answer my Brother

you may well be right..its just my view on it (upon what I read). and which bit all of it or just a small bit?

 

[annointedshepherd]

tithing was always the first fruit i.e. crop or animals or sale of land/property, no where in the bible does it tell a man to tithe out of his labour, yes you can give an offering, and if you are about to quote malachi, he was talking to the leaders who were using the tithe for themselves and not caring for the widow and the fatherless. So offerings are fine but if your being pushed to tithe out of obligation i would question it tottaly. Give ceasar what belongs to ceasar, by the way we are told to care for our relatives and Jesus even said to the pharisees that they make people give to the temple before looking after there parents and so cause them to break one of the 10 commandment. honour your parents. blessings

Be sure to check in about 2 or 5 days i will post a new forum explaining the first fruit nd How we are suppose to give the first fruit of Our INCREASE to God

 

[Sanashankar]

what is your opinion on the tithe do you understand the tithe and do you give the tithe???

[h=5]If you TITHE you are living UNDER A CURSE!

For all who rely on the works of the law are under a curse, as it is written: "Cursed is everyone who does not continue to do everything written in the Book of the Law." Galatians 3:10[/h]
Not here to fight, but i see a lot of pastors having mercedes, bentley, huge banglows, gold ring, costly suits, shoes, private jets, ornaments...etc...etc.....

Buts thats not how apostle used to walk. We are supposed to follow our apostles.

2C 11:25 Thrice was I beaten with rods, once was I stoned, thrice I suffered shipwreck, a night and a day I have been in the deep;
2C 11:26 [In] journeyings often, [in] perils of waters, [in] perils of robbers, [in] perils by [mine own] countrymen, [in] perils by the heathen, [in] perils in the city, [in] perils in the wilderness, [in] perils in the sea, [in] perils among false brethren;
2C 11:27 In weariness and painfulness, in watchings often, in hunger and thirst, in fastings often, in cold and nakedness.

Now that's really like walking in the steps of our lord Jesus Christ. If there is some preachers in the world, who takes so much of pain for the word of God, what is wrong in helping him. we are commanded by God to receive him and give whatever is necessary. These preachers take the parable of "seed sowing", but they don't tell u this

Lk 8:11 Now the parable is this: The seed is the word of God. (not money but the word of God)


If Christians really OBEYED the New Testament, there would be NO money for them to even build a church (leave abt having mercedes and private jet) since the Christians would be AGGRESSIVELY seeking out the poor and helping them.

 

[Adinah]

If you TITHE you are living UNDER A CURSE!

For all who rely on the works of the law are under a curse, as it is written: "Cursed is everyone who does not continue to do everything written in the Book of the Law." Galatians 3:10


Not here to fight, but i see a lot of pastors having mercedes, bentley, huge banglows, gold ring, costly suits, shoes, private jets, ornaments...etc...etc.....

Buts thats not how apostle used to walk. We are supposed to follow our apostles.

2C 11:25 Thrice was I beaten with rods, once was I stoned, thrice I suffered shipwreck, a night and a day I have been in the deep;
2C 11:26 [In] journeyings often, [in] perils of waters, [in] perils of robbers, [in] perils by [mine own] countrymen, [in] perils by the heathen, [in] perils in the city, [in] perils in the wilderness, [in] perils in the sea, [in] perils among false brethren;
2C 11:27 In weariness and painfulness, in watchings often, in hunger and thirst, in fastings often, in cold and nakedness.

Now that's really like walking in the steps of our lord Jesus Christ. If there is some preachers in the world, who takes so much of pain for the word of God, what is wrong in helping him. we are commanded by God to receive him and give whatever is necessary. These preachers take the parable of "seed sowing", but they don't tell u this

Lk 8:11 Now the parable is this: The seed is the word of God. (not money but the word of God)


If Christians really OBEYED the New Testament, there would be NO money for them to even build a church (leave abt having mercedes and private jet) since the Christians would be AGGRESSIVELY seeking out the poor and helping them.

I can see that these mega-churches aren't or God, true. But our churches can't run themselves, and we need churches. Certainly we need to not overspend, but again, the tithe was meant to support the temple activities and those that took care of the temple. Nowadays, that would be our pastors. We can't expect them to do all they need to do without the church supporting them. The heating bill, the light bill, etc., all these bills need to be paid. It's absurd to say we're under a curse when we're just helping each other take care of our local church.

 

[damombomb]

[h=3]Malachi 3:8-12[/h]King James Version (KJV)

[SUP]8 [/SUP]Will a man rob God? Yet ye have robbed me. But ye say, Wherein have we robbed thee? In tithes and offerings.
[SUP]9 [/SUP]Ye are cursed with a curse: for ye have robbed me, even this whole nation.
[SUP]10 [/SUP]Bring ye all the tithes into the storehouse, that there may be meat in mine house, and prove me now herewith, saith the Lord of hosts, if I will not open you the windows of heaven, and pour you out a blessing, that there shall not be room enough to receive it.

[SUP]11 [/SUP]And I will rebuke the devourer for your sakes, and he shall not destroy the fruits of your ground; neither shall your vine cast her fruit before the time in the field, saith the Lord of hosts.
[SUP]12 [/SUP]And all nations shall call you blessed: for ye shall be a delightsome land, saith the Lord of hosts.

[SUP]11 [/SUP]And I will rebuke the devourer for your sakes, and he shall not destroy the fruits of your ground; neither shall your vine cast her fruit before the time in the field, saith the Lord of hosts.
[SUP]12 [/SUP]And all nations shall call you blessed: for ye shall be a delightsome land, saith the Lord of hosts.

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

Those in Christ who don't tithe are not under a curse because there is no curse of the law in Christ.

Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us, because it is written, “Cursed is everyone who hangs on a tree,” Galatians 3:13
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[onlinebuddy]

Anointedshepherd,
Firstly, thanks for reminding us to give.
In my opinion, Jesus busted the 10% mentality in Mark 12:41-44. This tells me that giving must be sacrificial.

 

[Sanashankar]

I can see that these mega-churches aren't or God, true. But our churches can't run themselves, and we need churches. Certainly we need to not overspend, but again, the tithe was meant to support the temple activities and those that took care of the temple. Nowadays, that would be our pastors. We can't expect them to do all they need to do without the church supporting them. The heating bill, the light bill, etc., all these bills need to be paid. It's absurd to say we're under a curse when we're just helping each other take care of our local church.

That quote from the bible is used only if u are following Mosaic law...tithing was a law.

We shud help the true ministers according to the new testament, but that is not "tithing". Tithing was a must for all israelites, and shud be given only to the levites priest. We do not have priest of that group now....so what we give to the church can be called as......what??....but of course not "tithe". And it is not compulsory like some pastors say.
If we have we give, and that is purely for the ministry of God, and not for our financial benefits. they say if u give 100 dollars TO THE CHURCH, u will get 200 dollars....

I agree with u , helping the church is not a choice, Jesus Christ has asked us to do that...but these preachers cant squeeze poor people for their own lavish lives.
God be with u

 

[john832]

If you TITHE you are living UNDER A CURSE!

For all who rely on the works of the law are under a curse, as it is written: "Cursed is everyone who does not continue to do everything written in the Book of the Law." Galatians 3:10

Living under a curse?

Hmmm,

Mat 23:23 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.

So Christ here is setting the Pharisees up to be cursed? Even more importantly, if we should not tithe, we should not do the weightier matters of the Law, judgment, mercy and faith?

I think you are pretty far off base here.

 

[john832]

That quote from the bible is used only if u are following Mosaic law...tithing was a law.

We shud help the true ministers according to the new testament, but that is not "tithing". Tithing was a must for all israelites, and shud be given only to the levites priest. We do not have priest of that group now....so what we give to the church can be called as......what??....but of course not "tithe". And it is not compulsory like some pastors say.
If we have we give, and that is purely for the ministry of God, and not for our financial benefits. they say if u give 100 dollars TO THE CHURCH, u will get 200 dollars....

I agree with u , helping the church is not a choice, Jesus Christ has asked us to do that...but these preachers cant squeeze poor people for their own lavish lives.
God be with u

MBFM

(ten characters)

 

[SpiritofFire]

Malachi 3:8-12

8*Will a man rob God? Yet ye have robbed me. But ye say, Wherein have we robbed thee? In tithes and offerings.9*Ye are cursed with a curse: for ye have robbed me, even this whole nation.10*Bring ye all the tithes into the storehouse, that there may be meat in mine house, and prove me now herewith, saith the*Lord*of hosts, if I will not open you the windows of heaven, and pour you out a blessing, that there shall not be room enough to receive it.11*And I will rebuke the devourer for your sakes, and he shall not destroy the fruits of your ground; neither shall your vine cast her fruit before the time in the field, saith the*Lord*of hosts.12*And all nations shall call you blessed: for ye shall be a delightsome land, saith the*Lord*of hosts.

Tithes is not money.

 

[Sanashankar]

Living under a curse?

Hmmm,

Mat 23:23 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.

So Christ here is setting the Pharisees up to be cursed? Even more importantly, if we should not tithe, we should not do the weightier matters of the Law, judgment, mercy and faith?

I think you are pretty far off base here.

Brother, see the verse

Ga 3:10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed [is] every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.

Is not tithing under mosaic law. Is not Paul telling that we are cursed if anyone does one part of the law, and do not do the rest. Tithing was in Mosaic law. So if someone is tithing they are to follow the rest of the law.

Lv 27:32 And concerning the tithe of the herd, or of the flock, [even] of whatsoever passeth under the rod, the tenth shall be holy unto the LORD.

This is what God said in Mosaic law.

Ja 2:10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one [point], he is guilty of all.

1Ti 1:9 Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers,

Don't we know that we are made righteous in Christ. Why do we require law then. Is not tithing a law?

 

[Sanashankar]

i like this one

 

[StandingFirmInChrist]

Should I tithe? is a question I have been asked on many occasions in my eight years of Leadership.

My reply, "What does the Word of God tell you?"

I would encourage all who have that same question looming in their minds to be as the Bereans, who searched the Scriptures to see if it were so. Following are all the verses that have to do with tithing

Ge 14:20; Ge 28:22; Le 27:30-32; Nu 18:24,26,28; De 12:6,11,17; 14:22-23,28; 26:12; 2Ch 31:5-6,12; Ne 10:37-38; 12:44; 13:5,12; Am 4:4; Mal 3:8,10; Mt 23:23; Lu 11:42; 18:12; Heb 7:4-6,8-9

While there are two mentions of tithing prior to the Mosaic Law, those two mentions are totally different than the tithing mentioned in the Mosaic Law. God said of the tithe in the Mosaic Law that it was "Holy" But that tithe was of agricultural produce and livestock only... not spoils from a war that included clothing articles and whatever else had been recovered.

God's Holy tithe was only from food and livestock. It was never money.

Some may say that money was scarce so food was the tithe. This is not correct. Money was in abundance. Even the tither under the Law had money that he could use to buy back the tithe from the Levite if he so chose to do. Merchants could buy the second annual tithe from the tither if the tither needed to sell it to make his journey to Jerusalem less cumbersome. So money was always readily available... yet God never required it as a tithe.

Nehemiah reveals that it was only 1% of Israel's total produce and livestock that was tithed to the Temple, not 10%. And that tithe was not required of the congregation. Rather, it was required of the Levites... those employed in the service of the Temple. That's right... only the workers of the Temple were required to tithe to the Temple... no one else.

Malachi's passage (chapter 3:6-11) tell us that tithing was an ordinance. It also reveals that the tithe to be tithed to the storehouse was not money, but food.

Ephesians 2:14-15 tells us that the commandments written in the ordinances have been abolished. Since tithing was an ordinance, and the Word tells us ordinances were abolished, how can we justify saying, "God requires a tithe"?

So, where does the doctrine of a monetary tithe come from? and why is it's specifics so contrary to what the Word of God says?

 

[john832]

If you TITHE you are living UNDER A CURSE!

For all who rely on the works of the law are under a curse, as it is written: "Cursed is everyone who does not continue to do everything written in the Book of the Law." Galatians 3:10


Not here to fight, but i see a lot of pastors having mercedes, bentley, huge banglows, gold ring, costly suits, shoes, private jets, ornaments...etc...etc.....

Buts thats not how apostle used to walk. We are supposed to follow our apostles.

2C 11:25 Thrice was I beaten with rods, once was I stoned, thrice I suffered shipwreck, a night and a day I have been in the deep;
2C 11:26 [In] journeyings often, [in] perils of waters, [in] perils of robbers, [in] perils by [mine own] countrymen, [in] perils by the heathen, [in] perils in the city, [in] perils in the wilderness, [in] perils in the sea, [in] perils among false brethren;
2C 11:27 In weariness and painfulness, in watchings often, in hunger and thirst, in fastings often, in cold and nakedness.

Now that's really like walking in the steps of our lord Jesus Christ. If there is some preachers in the world, who takes so much of pain for the word of God, what is wrong in helping him. we are commanded by God to receive him and give whatever is necessary. These preachers take the parable of "seed sowing", but they don't tell u this

Lk 8:11 Now the parable is this: The seed is the word of God. (not money but the word of God)


If Christians really OBEYED the New Testament, there would be NO money for them to even build a church (leave abt having mercedes and private jet) since the Christians would be AGGRESSIVELY seeking out the poor and helping them.

Hmmm, and yet Christ said...

Mat 23:23 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.

I gotta go with Christ on this one.