U.S. WEIGHS OPTIONS FOR MILATARY RESPONSE IN SYRIA

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What do you believe when it comes to Syria ? I don't know. The Malaysians around me are relaying stories of Malaysian volunteer doctors in the area who are stating the militants they are working with are staying away from the Christian areas so they are not harmed. It is the Assad government going in there pretending to be militants to get the world offside with the militants.
i have suspected this for a while...specifically ever since i learned that the al-qaeda affiliate in the syrian rebel movement...the al-nusra army...is supplied by assad's iraqi ally and fellow baathist izzat ibrahim al-douri...

you may also remember that assad granted safe haven to iraqi baathist and al-qaeda 'insurgents' during the american occupation of iraq...those same fighters are now supposed to be coming back as 'rebels' against assad?

pro assad militants pretending to be rebels would also explain why some 'rebel' fighters conveniently allowed two european prisoners to 'overhear' them -in english- plotting a supposed chemical weapon 'false flag' attack...and then released those prisoners to take their story back to the western world...
 
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More from the religion of pieces. Here an FSA parent displays her brainwashed child with black flag. This is who the Obama Administration sends your tax dollars to. The child is screaming for the death of all non-Muslims.

[video=youtube_share;PyAaup4jBpQ]http://youtu.be/PyAaup4jBpQ[/video]
 

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More from the religion of pieces. Here an FSA parent displays her brainwashed child with black flag. This is who the Obama Administration sends your tax dollars to. The child is screaming for the death of all non-Muslims.

[video=youtube_share;PyAaup4jBpQ]http://youtu.be/PyAaup4jBpQ[/video]
If I linked in a video of people from Westboro Baptist Church waving placards at a funeral of a soldier can I state they are representing all Christians ?

The difference is this girl and her family has had a traumatic life and her family may well have mental issues. The people of Westboro Baptist Church were probably born with a silver spoon in their mouth and had a relatively peaceful life.
 
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Westboro Baptist Church has forty (e.g. 40) members. How you associate a tiny unaffiliated sect waving placards at a soldier's funeral in which they oppose violence with the widespread world-wide violence Muslims are engaging in and supporting stretches the imagination.

As has been stated many times, Muslims are engaging in and supporting violence on behalf of Islam because of their religious epistemology not in spite of it and that is also the primary reason for the violence wherever they reside in material numbers. And it starts young as you can see in this video.


If I linked in a video of people from Westboro Baptist Church waving placards at a funeral of a soldier can I state they are representing all Christians ?

The difference is this girl and her family has had a traumatic life and her family may well have mental issues. The people of Westboro Baptist Church were probably born with a silver spoon in their mouth and had a relatively peaceful life.
 

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Westboro Baptist Church has forty (e.g. 40) members. How you associate a tiny unaffiliated sect waving placards at a soldier's funeral in which they oppose violence with the widespread world-wide violence Muslims are engaging in and supporting stretches the imagination.

As has been stated many times, Muslims are engaging in and supporting violence on behalf of Islam because of their religious epistemology not in spite of it and that is also the primary reason for the violence wherever they reside in material numbers. And it starts young as you can see in this video.
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When you have 500,000 children killed in Iraq by medical sanctions in the 90s

Madeleine Albright Defends Mass-Murder of iraqi Children (500,000 Children dead) - YouTube

Children ambushed and arrested in bulk

The IDF must stop arresting children - Opinion Israel News | Haaretz

Women and children killed in their bedrooms.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/12/15/w...ws-found-in-iraq-junkyard.html?pagewanted=all

Wedding parties blown up

Afghanistan: Officials claim NATO air strike kills women, kids at wedding party - CBS News

Funeral mourners blown up

Will al-Libi Killing Be Used to Justify Drone Strikes on Mourners, First Responders? | emptywheel

Children playing on the road killed by drones.

A List Of Children Killed By Drone Strikes In Pakistan and Yemen

Does all this murder by the US have no consequence ? Exactly who are the terrorist ?
 
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All of which has zero to do with Christian epistemology. However, on the other hand, Islamic epistemology certainly is driving Muslim violence.

Showing that people in government choose to disobey Christ just as Muslims choose to disobey Christ only proves that you have two unrelated groups of people choosing to disobey Christ. Nothing more.

In logic, a faulty comparison is comparing one thing to another that is really not related, in order to make the one thing look more or less desirable than it really is. You've made two logically fallacious comparisons in a row Drett. All that time for smoking pot and no time for a logic 101 class.
 

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All of which has zero to do with Christian epistemology. However, on the other hand, Islamic epistemology certainly is driving Muslim violence.

Showing that people in government choose to disobey Christ just as Muslims choose to disobey Christ only proves that you have two unrelated groups of people choosing to disobey Christ. Nothing more.

In logic, a faulty comparison is comparing one thing to another that is really not related, in order to make the one thing look more or less desirable than it really is. You've made two logically fallacious comparisons in a row Drett. All that time for smoking pot and no time for a logic 101 class.
Ok I am pushing the point that the endless persecution is pushing the voilence of Muslims. You are going on public record stating Islam is.

Please provide the verses to support your stand. I ask before you copy and paste the verses off Christian and Atheists sites, please take the time to read the verse before it and after it. Most of the time that is all that is needed to bring the verses back into context.

Then look at history to see how these verses were put into practice.

What happened with the Jews after Jerusalem was liberated by Umar al Khattab ?

What happened to the Jews, Muslims and Christians after the first and second crusade ?

What lands did the Jews flee to when persecuted during the Spanish Inquisition.
 
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The essence of a religion really should be characterized by its founder and the founders intentions/actions in the course of fulfilling those intentions.

Muhammad spread his religion by the sword or threat of the sword. Buddha was a somewhat recluse nihilist. Jesus claimed he was God on Earth, died to precipitate the redemption of mankind, and rose again as proof of divinity. Bloodshed will be wrought by his hand, but that will not be until evangelism as we know it becomes obsolete.

We can pass quotes from the Quran and the Bible back and forth. At the end of the day one was a violent patriarch who used a monotheistic movement for largely temporal political goals, and the other was both God and Man who continues to shine in the hearts of man and only demanded the spreading of that light through acts of love and proclamation of truth.

The religions they founded ultimately bear their marks in spite of all the heretics and apostates to emerge from them in the last couple thousand years (or about fourteen hundred years in the case of Islam). Muslims can be peaceful, but that does not mean their religion is ultimately one of peace.
 
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Another reason to stay out of their neighborhood, going back to the subject of the OP.
 

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The essence of a religion really should be characterized by its founder and the founders intentions/actions in the course of fulfilling those intentions.

Muhammad spread his religion by the sword or threat of the sword. Buddha was a somewhat recluse nihilist. Jesus claimed he was God on Earth, died to precipitate the redemption of mankind, and rose again as proof of divinity. Bloodshed will be wrought by his hand, but that will not be until evangelism as we know it becomes obsolete.

We can pass quotes from the Quran and the Bible back and forth. At the end of the day one was a violent patriarch who used a monotheistic movement for largely temporal political goals, and the other was both God and Man who continues to shine in the hearts of man and only demanded the spreading of that light through acts of love and proclamation of truth.

The religions they founded ultimately bear their marks in spite of all the heretics and apostates to emerge from them in the last couple thousand years (or about fourteen hundred years in the case of Islam). Muslims can be peaceful, but that does not mean their religion is ultimately one of peace.
Why is it I am the only one that feels I need to provide some sort of evidence for the reason for my position ? :)


The historian De Lacy O’Leary wrote in “Islam At the Cross-roads”:


“History makes it clear however, that the legend of fanatical Muslims sweeping through the world and forcing Islam at the point of the sword upon conquered races is one of the most fantastically absurd myths that historians have ever repeated.”


I feel I need to repeat myself. Perhaps from below you can see how De Lacy arrived at his conclusion.


In 638, just a few years after the death of the Prophet pbuh, an army of his followers surrounded Jerusalem. The city Patriarch, Sophronius, handed over the city after a brief siege. There was only one condition; that the terms of their surrender be negotiated directly with ‘Umar ibn al-Khattab, the second Khalif of Islam.
‘Umar entered Jerusalem on foot. There was no bloodshed. There were no massacres. Those who wanted to leave were allowed to, with all their possessions. Those who wanted to stay were guaranteed protection for their lives, their property, and their places of worship in the ‘Umariyya Covenant.




For the first time in its long history, Jerusalem had been spared a bloodbath.




It is said that ‘Umar accompanied Sophronious to the Church of the Holy Sepulchre and that he was offered a place to pray in it. ‘Umar declined, fearing it might establish a precedent which would threaten the church’s continued use as a Christian house of worship. He prayed instead to the south of the church, now the site of the Mosque of ‘Umar in Jerusalem.




‘Umar then asked to be taken to the site of Al Aqsa Mosque. Accompanied by hundreds of Muslims, to his disappointment he found the area covered in dust and debris. The Bishop took him to the site (known to the Jews as Temple Mount), which to Umar’s disappointment was being used as a garbage dump. This is because under the Christian rule at that time, Jews were not allowed to worship or even enter Jerusalem and the Al-Aqsa site.




On seeing the state of the Al-Aqsa site, Umar said:




“Allah (God) is Great, I swear by the one who holds my soul in his hand that this is the Mosque of David which the prophet of Allah described to us after his night journey.”




A huge timber mosque which held three thousand worshippers was erected on this site in the time of ‘Umar, at the southernmost wall of the Noble Sanctuary.


Umar Al Khattab allowed the Jews back into Jerusalem and allowed them access to the temple mount which the Christians of that time used as a rubbish dump. The place where Jesus chased the money changers out with a stick was used as a rubbish dump. Do you see the irony ?
 

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The Christians regained Jerusalem after the first crusade. They were told whoever killed a Jews that refused baptism had all their sins forgiven.

What happened after the 2nd Crusade when Jerusalem was liberated again ?

Saladin allowed Christian pilgrims to visit Jerusalem without official papers. He posted soldiers for their safety. He commanded that every kindness be extended to his guests, and he enjoyed conferring with the bishop and allowed him to visit Bethlehem and Nazareth and to leave behind Latin priests and deacons.


He returned to Damascus in mid-November 1192 and was greeted with jubilation. Crowds followed him through the streets. Poets praised him, calling him the great protector who had spread the wings of justice over all and spoke of his having rained gifts on his people “from the clouds of his munificence and kindness.”

He returned to be greeted by Jubilation. Sounds like the Jewish people were happy to live under peace again.
 

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Three nonsensical off topic posts in a row. *yawn*. Time for bed.
 
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"In 638, just a few years after the death of the Prophet pbuh, an army of his followers surrounded Jerusalem."

Well, you did a fine job of proving my point. They didn't send brothers to preach the word of Muhammad, but soldiers who folded the city through force of arms.
 

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"In 638, just a few years after the death of the Prophet pbuh, an army of his followers surrounded Jerusalem."

Well, you did a fine job of proving my point. They didn't send brothers to preach the word of Muhammad, but soldiers who folded the city through force of arms.
Hi Ritter

The Roman and Persian empires would make Saddam Hussien look like a choir boy. The only reason they left the Saudis alone is because they saw them as a people who eat the skin of dead animals. They were not even worth worrying about. There is no way the Romans would allow the Muslims to freely practice their religion once they saw them becoming united. The Muslims liberation of the Jerusalem restored the temple mount that Jesus was so protective of. Also allowed the Jewish people back into freely practice their religion.

During the Spanish Inquisition, if the Muslims did not have the lands they had then the Jewish people would have no safe haven to run to.

Even today Jewish people in Iran will not move to Jerusalem even when offered money to do so.
 

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It's only closed to foolishness not wisdom. You're just too ignorant to tell the difference.
That's nice. I am still waiting on something substantial on why you have adopted your position. Other than some YouTube videos of some Muslims acting badly.
 
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Well obviously a discussion is more than a single post. Don't worry, eventually you'll comprehend (assuming dope smoking hasn't ravaged the grey matter, of course). Until then I've done one better, I've adopted you grasshopper.

[video=youtube;J5kBqrHphjo]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J5kBqrHphjo&feature=share&list=PL74397DD3D 3D3001C[/video]

That's nice. I am still waiting on something substantial on why you have adopted your position. Other than some YouTube videos of some Muslims acting badly.