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Josh321

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if you really do care what is true and what is false, i'm willing to point out simple things that proves that christianity is real up to you to listen or not, gonna just show you a verse of what the bible says and what i'm about to discuss with you
[h=1]Romans 2:14[/h][h=2]For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves[/h]
if your not familiar with what gentiles means it's referred to as us everyone in the world except the Jews, now to what this means, what does it mean that us the gentiles do the things contained in the law? and is there fact that this is true? the law being talked about is the 10 commandments, take a look at this, it's simple but really THINK and look at the world or everday living to see what i am talking about

7 Thou shalt not take the name of the Lord thy God in vain

this simple thing take a look at yourselves also and people your living with you say you don't believe in God correct? and that bible verse tells us that we the gentiles do the things by nature contained in the law, which means we can't help it, now seriously think about it, i have an atheist friend who doesn't believe in God but when something interesting or bad happens he can't help but say J*** C the lord's name in vain this may look as something too simple for you to believe but honestly take a look at how the entire world is even in movies they can't help but say the lord's name in vain

16 Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour.

whenever somethings happen we tend to exaggerate over what happen to make it more interesting or to bring down someone i'm sure you've notice this also

also take a look at this we are all born in sin correct? which means by nature we do the things which is wrong and lead to death, now take a look at what the bible says about the works of the flesh and look into the world and tell me what you see

[h=3]Galatians 5:19-21 ESV / 13 helpful votes[/h]19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,
20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,
21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.

why does the world have so many rum shops and alcoholic beverages everywhere? i don't think this will be enough to convince you, but i hope you take it in your thoughts and think about it's up to you all if you wanna accept it or not God deals with us individual must be a choice by your not only on this forum or anywhere to force you to do anything all we can do is try to reveal to you the facts, i hope you really do take this into consideration
 
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My friend, quoting the bible at an atheist is the equivalent of me quoting the Quran to you and telling you why you should praise allah
 

Skeptic23

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I could not have said It better myself.. Although may be a mite off in associating us with a religion of destruction.. we don't even have a problem with religion.. where we are concerned is the betterment of our world falls on the shoulders of those who seek the end of civilization in their lifetimes. how good are you at preserving life if you expect the annihilation of your race and rejoice at it.. just saying
 
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megaman125

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My friend, quoting the bible at an atheist is the equivalent of me quoting the Quran to you and telling you why you should praise allah
Can I use your line here IntoTheVoid for when atheists quote evolution info at us (replacing "the Bible" with "evolutionary doctrine," and "atheist" with "Christian," of course)?
 
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Can I use your line here IntoTheVoid for when atheists quote evolution info at us (replacing "the Bible" with "evolutionary doctrine," and "atheist" with "Christian," of course)?
Hence you'll find I've never mentioned evolution once since I arrived
 
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My friend, quoting the bible at an atheist is the equivalent of me quoting the Quran to you and telling you why you should praise allah
Pretty much the case.
 
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if you really do care what is true and what is false, i'm willing to point out simple things that proves that christianity is real up to you to listen or not, gonna just show you a verse of what the bible says and what i'm about to discuss with you
Romans 2:14

For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves
I think it important to mention that when Paul wrote these words there was no New Testament. The Law he referred to was the Law of the Pentateuch. Do you live by Jewish law, Josh? This is what Paul was talking about. He makes the distinction, as you point out, that the Gentiles live by their own laws, not Jewish law, not God’s law.

"Do not think that I have come to abolish the law or the prophets; I have come not to abolish but to fulfill. For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth pass away, not one letter, not one stroke of a letter, will pass from the law until all is accomplished. Therefore, whoever breaks one of the least of these commandments, and teaches others to do the same, will be called least in the kingdom of heave...” (Matthew 5:17ff).

Did not Paul later teach others to abandon this Law? I think he did.
 
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Bryancampbell

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I think it important to mention that when Paul wrote these words there was no New Testament. The Law he referred to was the Law of the Pentateuch. Do you live by Jewish law, Josh? This is what Paul was talking about. He makes the distinction, as you point out, that the Gentiles live by their own laws, not Jewish law, not God’s law.

"Do not think that I have come to abolish the law or the prophets; I have come not to abolish but to fulfill. For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth pass away, not one letter, not one stroke of a letter, will pass from the law until all is accomplished. Therefore, whoever breaks one of the least of these commandments, and teaches others to do the same, will be called least in the kingdom of heave...” (Matthew 5:17ff).

Did not Paul later teach others to abandon this Law? I think he did.
Only spiritual understanding comes to know what Paul meant. We are no longer to rely on the law for righteousness, but that doesn't mean we abolish neither neglect the law. We rely by faith in Jesus for righteousness but follow the law in obedience.
 

Josh321

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lol this is harder than i thought, the point what is show you is the truth..
 
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Only spiritual understanding comes to know what Paul meant. We are no longer to rely on the law for righteousness, but that doesn't mean we abolish neither neglect the law. We rely by faith in Jesus for righteousness but follow the law in obedience.
Paul is in disagreement with what Jesus teaches in Matthew, but Christian's interpret scripture from the point of view of Paul's understanding. Matthew 5:17ff is the foreshadowing of a much greater difference that is buried within the New Testament: Pauline Christianity.
 
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Bryancampbell

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Paul is in disagreement with what Jesus teaches in Matthew, but Christian's interpret scripture from the point of view of Paul's understanding. Matthew 5:17ff is the foreshadowing of a much greater difference that is buried within the New Testament: Pauline Christianity.
Well...quote me one scripture where Paul contradicts what Jesus taught.

Edit: also want to add, Jesus taught things that were foreshadowed by the Old Testament.
 
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Bryancampbell

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I'll be back, got to stop at the store.
 

Hizikyah

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Well...quote me one scripture where Paul contradicts what Jesus taught.

Edit: also want to add, Jesus taught things that were foreshadowed by the Old Testament.
This always bothered me, maybe someone can clear it up?

1 Timothy 5:10, Young's Literal Translation
"Those sinning, reprove before all, that the others also may have fear;"

Matthew 18:15, Young's Literal Translation
"And if thy brother may sin against thee, go and show him his fault between thee and him alone, if he may hear thee, thou didst gain thy brother"
 

Hizikyah

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Only spiritual understanding comes to know what Paul meant. We are no longer to rely on the law for righteousness, but that doesn't mean we abolish neither neglect the law. We rely by faith in Jesus for righteousness but follow the law in obedience.
To me this is perfect understanding of Shaul's message!
 
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Kerry

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Josh, ask them to explain Israel. Ask them how a man seed meets an egg of a woman and produces life, Ask them why we wear clothes, when no other animal does. I like your point about alcohol and how it is a crutch or an escape from reality. As a former alcoholic, It is not a disease, Go to an AA meeting. These people have been sober for twenty years and still call themselves alcoholics. It is a sin. If it is a disease, it is the only disease that you can go to the store and pick out which flavor of disease you want. It is the only disease that you can get a license to sell. It is the only disease that is displayed on billboards to show you wonderful it is. Ask em that.
 

posthuman

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This always bothered me, maybe someone can clear it up?

1 Timothy 5:10, Young's Literal Translation
"Those sinning, reprove before all, that the others also may have fear;"

Matthew 18:15, Young's Literal Translation
"And if thy brother may sin against thee, go and show him his fault between thee and him alone, if he may hear thee, thou didst gain thy brother"
i think you must mean 1 Timothy 5:20.

here is 1 Timothy 5:19-20 together --
"Do not entertain an accusation against an elder unless it is brought by two or three witnesses.But those elders who are sinning you are to reprove before everyone, so that the others may take warning."
(NIV)

the two verses taken together seem to me to indicate the course to take once, as Christ taught, the matter has been brought up already somewhat more privately, with some witnesses.

the difference i see is that here we are talking about an Elder - a person in a position of leadership, who by his actions may be leading others astray -- so that his sin might be 'against' all the brethren. we see in the record of Christ's life that He quite publicly reproved the religious leaders, one would assume implicitly so that 'others also may have fear.'
 
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Hizikyah

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i think you must mean 1 Timothy 5:20.
here is 1 Timothy 5:19-20 together --
"Do not entertain an accusation against an elder unless it is brought by two or three witnesses.But those elders who are sinning you are to reprove before everyone, so that the others may take warning."

the two verses taken together seem to me to indicate the course to take once, as Christ taught, the matter has been brought up already somewhat more privately, with some witnesses.

the difference i see is that here we are talking about an Elder - a person in a position of leadership, who by his actions may be leading others astray -- we see in the record of Christ's life that He quite publicly reproved the religious leaders, one would assume implicitly so that 'others also may have fear.'
OK! I always wieved it as the difference between a sin directly against you as opposed to sinning period, but im glad I didnt say that because I always wondered about these verses and wanted another opinion, THANK YOU for your post!
 
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megaman125

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Hence you'll find I've never mentioned evolution once since I arrived
Fair point. That's why I like atheists like you. Pardon my previous comment, as I'm more used to dealing with atheists who act in a very set pattern, and those who don't follow that pattern sometimes throw me off.
 

Josh321

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Fair point. That's why I like atheists like you. Pardon my previous comment, as I'm more used to dealing with atheists who act in a very set pattern, and those who don't follow that pattern sometimes throw me off.
what do you believe in megaman?