Dangers Of The False Messianic Movement

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I have to say Im delighted personally about your like for Yahshua/Joshua.

Over a hundred times Yahweh talks about the importance ofHis Name and Acts 4:12 says there is only one Name we muct call on to be saved. Im not implying any strict doctrine just qouting Scripture and saying because of these things I personally find the Names of Yahweh and Yahshua important and very special!
Yahshua is an argued transliteration of the original Hebrew or Aramaic name of Jesus commonly used by individuals in the Sacred Name Movement.

The English spelling Yahshua originates at least as early as 1950 with Angelo Traina The New Testament of our Messiah and Saviour Yahshua. The form Yahshua is used in some Sacred Name Bibles, including the Restoration Original Sacred Name Bible, Word of Yahweh and the Sacred Name King James Bible.
The spelling Yahshua (יהשע) is not found in Hebrew texts.

Yahshua - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The pentagrammaton or Yahshuah (Hebrew: יהשוה‎) is a constructed form of the Hebrew name of Jesus originally found in the works of Athanasius Kirchner, Johann Baptist Grossschedel (1619) and other late Renaissance esoteric sources. It is to be distinguished from the name Yahshua found in the works of the Sacred Name movement in the 1960s, though there has been some conflation or confusion between the two. The pentagrammaton Yahshuah has no support in archeological findings, such as the Dead Sea scrolls or inscriptions, nor in rabbinical texts as a form of Joshua. Scholarship generally considers the original form of Jesus to be Yeshua, a Hebrew Bible form of Joshua.[1]

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The first ones to use a name of Jesus something like "Yahshuah" were Renaissance occultists. In the second half of the 16th century, when knowledge of Biblical Hebrew first began to spread among a significant number of Christians, certain esoterically minded or occultistic circles came up with the idea of deriving the Hebrew name of Jesus by adding the Hebrew letter shin ש into the middle of the Tetragrammaton divine name yod-he-waw-he יהוה to produce the form yod-he-shin-waw-he יהשוה.

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This idea of the Pentagrammaton was funneled into modern occultism by 19th-century French writer Eliphas Levi and the influential late 19th-century Hermetic Order of the Golden Dawn. The Golden Dawn favored the consonantal transcription IHShVH or YHShVH, and the pronunciation Yeheshuah.

However, in all early Hebrew or Aramaic sources, the name "Jesus"/"Jeshua" actually appears as yod-shin-waw-`ayin ישוע Yeshua (or as the related longer form of the same name, yod-he-waw-shin-`ayin יהושע "Joshua"; or as the intentionally altered derogatory Talmudic variant yod-shin-waw ישו Yeshu), so that the Renaissance speculations were incorrect.

Yahshuah - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 

Hizikyah

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The vowel pointing added into the language makes the text and name read something like this:

Jehoshua 1:1, "Now after the death of Moses the servant of the LORD it came to pass, that the LORD spake unto Jehoshua the son of Nun, Moses' minister, saying."

Lord coming from added vowel points of Adonai/Elohim added into YHWH:

YHWH + AdOnAi = YaHoWaH into latin = Jehovah

YHWH + ElOhIm = YeHoWiH into latin = Jehovah

This is the name of "Joshua" WITH the vowel points:

Yehoshua: "the LORD is salvation," Moses' successor, also the name of a number of Isr.
Original Word: יְהוֹשׁ֫וּעַ
Part of Speech: proper name, masculine; proper name, of a location; proper name
Transliteration: Yehoshua
Phonetic Spelling: (yeh-ho-shoo'-ah)
Short Definition: Joshua

The same verse WITHOUT vowel points should read something like this:

"After the death of Mosheh the servant of YHWH, YHWH spoke to YHSHA ben Nun, Mosheh's assistant, saying."

The first to Hebrew letters of Yahshua's Name are a "YOD" and a "HEY" = YH... so anytime the H is taken out it is done falsely, as Yahshua means Yahweh is Salvation! You thake the H out and you take the Yahweh out of the name/salvation...
 

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I have to say Im delighted personally about your like for Yahshua/Joshua.

Over a hundred times Yahweh talks about the importance ofHis Name and Acts 4:12 says there is only one Name we muct call on to be saved.

Im not implying any strict doctrine just qouting Scripture and saying because of these things I personally find the Names of Yahweh and Yahshua important and very special!
The vowel pointing added into the language makes the text and name read something like this:

Jehoshua 1:1, "Now after the death of Moses the servant of the LORD it came to pass, that the LORD spake unto Jehoshua the son of Nun, Moses' minister, saying."

Lord coming from added vowel points of Adonai/Elohim added into YHWH:

YHWH + AdOnAi = YaHoWaH into latin = Jehovah

YHWH + ElOhIm = YeHoWiH into latin = Jehovah

This is the name of "Joshua" WITH the vowel points:

Yehoshua: "the LORD is salvation," Moses' successor, also the name of a number of Isr.
Original Word: יְהוֹשׁ֫וּעַ
Part of Speech: proper name, masculine; proper name, of a location; proper name
Transliteration: Yehoshua
Phonetic Spelling: (yeh-ho-shoo'-ah)
Short Definition: Joshua

The same verse WITHOUT vowel points should read something like this:

"After the death of Mosheh the servant of YHWH, YHWH spoke to YHSHA ben Nun, Mosheh's assistant, saying."

The first to Hebrew letters of Yahshua's Name are a "YOD" and a "HEY" = YH... so anytime the H is taken out it is done falsely, as Yahshua means Yahweh is Salvation! You thake the H out and you take the Yahweh out of the name/salvation...
Over a hundred times Yahweh talks about the importance ofHis Name and Acts 4:12 says there is only one Name we muct call on to be saved.
if your salvation hinges on a restoration or correct pronunciation of the Savior's Name, i hope you got it right.
you can't seem to decide from one post to the next.

Yehoshua: "the LORD is salvation," Moses' successor, also the name of a number of Isr.

Original Word: יְהוֹשׁ֫וּעַ
Part of Speech: proper name, masculine; proper name, of a location; proper name
Transliteration: Yehoshua
Phonetic Spelling: (yeh-ho-shoo'-ah)
Short Definition: Joshua

i don't see Yahshua anywhere there.

but i do see an occultist's superstition (idolatry) at work.

The first to Hebrew letters of Yahshua's Name are a "YOD" and a "HEY" = YH... so anytime the H is taken out it is done falsely, as Yahshua means Yahweh is Salvation! You thake the H out and you take the Yahweh out of the name/salvation

WHERE'S THE A?

it's not there. you added it.
 
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"After the death of Mosheh the servant of YHWH, YHWH spoke to YHSHA ben Nun, Mosheh's assistant, saying."

The first to Hebrew letters of Yahshua's Name are a "YOD" and a "HEY" = YH... so anytime the H is taken out it is done falsely, as Yahshua means Yahweh is Salvation! You thake the H out and you take the Yahweh out of the name/salvation...
How do you start with YHWH and arrive at Yahweh as the correct transliteration?
 

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if your salvation hinges on a restoration or correct pronunciation of the Savior's Name, i hope you got it right.
you can't seem to decide from one post to the next.

Yehoshua: "the LORD is salvation," Moses' successor, also the name of a number of Isr.

Original Word: יְהוֹשׁ֫וּעַ
Part of Speech: proper name, masculine; proper name, of a location; proper name
Transliteration: Yehoshua
Phonetic Spelling: (yeh-ho-shoo'-ah)
Short Definition: Joshua

i don't see Yahshua anywhere there.

but i do see an occultist's superstition (idolatry) at work.

The first to Hebrew letters of Yahshua's Name are a "YOD" and a "HEY" = YH... so anytime the H is taken out it is done falsely, as Yahshua means Yahweh is Salvation! You thake the H out and you take the Yahweh out of the name/salvation

WHERE'S THE A?

it's not there. you added it.
IMO YH is pronounced in a Yah, not so much as to add an A but in trying to pronounce YH, to me naturally its Yah.

Anyway we have gone through this before more extensively than this and I just wanted to stick up for Father Yahweh, in that I believe there is clearly a YH in Yahshua's Name, that YH is short for YHWH.

Have a great day and may Yahweh lead us all to His truth if it is His will, HalleluYAHWEH!
 

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How do you start with YHWH and arrive at Yahweh as the correct transliteration?
Well I did much orayer and study on this and I believe

YH is natuarlly pronounced Yah

WH is natuarlly pronounced Weh not Way but Weh

out of habit of people around me I do at times say Way but I believe YHWH spoken with the breath and life is Yah Weh.

What I am trying to say is when I speak it I tey to speak YHWH, and I believe the best way to get this acroos in text is Yahweh.

I have heard solid arguments for Yahuwah or similar, but from my studies Yahweh.

If you have something solid that shows otherwise I will look at it.
 

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IMO YH is pronounced in a Yah, not so much as to add an A but in trying to pronounce YH, to me naturally its Yah.

Anyway we have gone through this before more extensively than this and I just wanted to stick up for Father Yahweh, in that I believe there is clearly a YH in Yahshua's Name, that YH is short for YHWH.

Have a great day and may Yahweh lead us all to His truth if it is His will, HalleluYAHWEH!
you have a great day also.
if you're giving ppl the impression tiny strokes in hebrew letters is where their salvation lies, rethink it.

there was a Roman Cross.

it's there we look. at the Man there.

John 19
18There they crucified Him, and with Him two other men, one on either side, and Jesus in between. 19Pilate also wrote an inscription and put it on the cross. It was written, "JESUS THE NAZARENE, THE KING OF THE JEWS." 20Therefore many of the Jews read this inscription, for the place where Jesus was crucified was near the city; and it was written in Hebrew, Latin and in Greek.

:)
 

zone

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Well I did much orayer and study on this and I believe

YH is natuarlly pronounced Yah

WH is natuarlly pronounced Weh not Way but Weh

out of habit of people around me I do at times say Way but I believe YHWH spoken with the breath and life is Yah Weh.

What I am trying to say is when I speak it I tey to speak YHWH, and I believe the best way to get this acroos in text is Yahweh.

I have heard solid arguments for Yahuwah or similar, but from my studies Yahweh.

If you have something solid that shows otherwise I will look at it.
Exodus 3
13Then Moses said to God, "Behold, I am going to the sons of Israel, and I will say to them, 'The God of your fathers has sent me to you.' Now they may say to me, 'What is His name?' What shall I say to them?" 14God said to Moses, "I AM WHO I AM"; and He said, "Thus you shall say to the sons of Israel, 'I AM has sent me to you.'" 15God, furthermore, said to Moses, "Thus you shall say to the sons of Israel, 'The LORD, the God of your fathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, has sent me to you.' This is My name forever, and this is My memorial-name to all generations


eh·yeh a·sher eh·yeh

eh·yeh has sent me to you.
 
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you have a great day also.
if you're giving ppl the impression tiny strokes in hebrew letters is where their salvation lies, rethink it.

there was a Roman Cross.

it's there we look. at the Man there.

John 19
18There they crucified Him, and with Him two other men, one on either side, and Jesus in between. 19Pilate also wrote an inscription and put it on the cross. It was written, "JESUS THE NAZARENE, THE KING OF THE JEWS." 20Therefore many of the Jews read this inscription, for the place where Jesus was crucified was near the city; and it was written in Hebrew, Latin and in Greek.

:)
:confused:

The Messiah appeared after being crucified.

Salvation is in our belief.

We Believe in Him for eternal life, whether we call Him Yahshua or Jesus.
 

loveme1

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No. i'm not part of a Hebrew Root movement.

But, Yes i use a different transliterations, just like all do by the name of Jesus which came to be used.

Yes, I'm English and use the English language but even the Bible uses Joshua and Jesus.

Good evening all :)
 

zone

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:confused:

The Messiah appeared after being crucified.

Salvation is in our belief.

We Believe in Him for eternal life, whether we call Him Yahshua or Jesus.
that's fine with me.

do you believe if we take a letter out of a dubious transliteration (Yahshua) we are endangering our salvation?
i know you don't.
but there are certainly ppl who do.
 

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Exodus 3
13Then Moses said to God, "Behold, I am going to the sons of Israel, and I will say to them, 'The God of your fathers has sent me to you.' Now they may say to me, 'What is His name?' What shall I say to them?" 14God said to Moses, "I AM WHO I AM"; and He said, "Thus you shall say to the sons of Israel, 'I AM has sent me to you.'" 15God, furthermore, said to Moses, "Thus you shall say to the sons of Israel, 'The LORD, the God of your fathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, has sent me to you.' This is My name forever, and this is My memorial-name to all generations


eh·yeh a·sher eh·yeh

eh·yeh has sent me to you.
Hold on a minute... This is falsehhod.

The "J" writings (oldest "OT" manuscript, called "J" or Yahwistic for its use of YHWH) Reads like this:

Exodus 3:14, "Then Yahweh said to Mosheh: I am Who I am (eh·yeh a·sher eh·yeh). And He said: This is what you are to say to the children of Israyl; YAHWEH (YHWH) has sent me to you."

Then it goes on 6,823 times and calls Him YHWH...

Another falsehood is why do you follow the pharisee/rabbinic law of replacing His Name with God (Elohim) and Lord (Adonai)?

The origin of the ban on the Name of the Most High: Yahweh

Talmud - Mas. Sotah 38a
Another [Baraitha] taught: ‘On this wise ye shall bless the children of Israel’ — with the use of
the Shem Hameforash.15 You say that it means with the Tetragrammaton(YHWH); but perhaps that is not so and a substituted name was used!16 There is a text to say: So shall they put My name17 — My name which is unique to Me. It is possible to think that [the Shem Hameforash was also used] in places outside the Temple; but it is stated here, ‘So shall they put My name’ and elsewhere it is stated: To put His name there18 — as in this latter passage it denotes in the Temple so also in the former passage it denotes in the Temple. R. Joshiah says: [This deduction] is unnecessary; behold it states: In every place where I cause My name to be remembered I will come unto thee.19 Can it enter your mind that every place is intended?20 But the text must be transposed thus: In every place where I will come unto thee and bless thee will I cause My name to be remembered; and where will I come unto thee and bless thee? In the Temple; there, in the Temple, will I cause My name to be remembered. Another [Baraitha] teaches: ‘On this wise ye shall bless the children of Israel’ — I have here only the children of Israel; whence is it that proselytes, women and enfranchised slaves [are included]? There is a text to state, Ye shall say unto them21 — i.e., to all of them.

"but perhaps that is not so and a substituted name was used,"
No Scripture says anything like this at all, a Rabbi comes along and says, " "but perhaps that is not so," and after that Yahweh's Name is hidden. However it is not that FOOLISH and innocent, as it was on purpose that this was contrived:

Yeremyah 23:26-27, "How long will this be in the heart of the prophets who prophesy lies? Yes, they are prophets of the deceit of their own minds; Who devise; plan and scheme, to cause My people to eforget My Name through their dreams, which they tell every man to his neighbor, just as their fathers have forgotten My Name for Baal

The Name YHWH was removed at least 6,828 times and replaced with LORD or GOD. You can tell where it was because ALL the letters are capital where YHWH was. The Masorites added vowel points to the Hebrew manuscripts (not in the "J" writings," (Called J (Y) for it's use of YHWH), but in the next oldest, the "E" writings (for it's use of Elohim). The vowel points replaced Yahweh's Name with Adonal = Lord and Elohim = God(s).It is forbidden by Yahweh to hide His Name by the way. However as we seen in the Talmud, to the Rabbis this is of no effect: "we pay no attention to a Heavenly Voice." Then we come to modern times when this false practice is still used, I have a Bible that says, quote: "this tradition is still used".

Mattithyah 15:2-3, "Why do Your disciples transgress the traditions of the elders? For they do not wash their hands when they eat. But He answered, and said to them:
And why do you transgress the Laws of Yahweh by your traditions?"

Talmud - Mas. Yoma 39b
His brethren [that year] the priests forbore to mention the Ineffable Name in pronouncing the [priestly] blessing.4 Our Rabbis taught: During the last forty years before the destruction of the Temple the lot [‘For the Lord’] did not come up in the right hand; nor did the crimson-coloured strap become white;

Numbers 6:23-27, "Speak to Aaron and his sons, saying; This is how you are to bless the children of Israyl. Say to them; YAHWEH BLESS YOU AND KEEP YOU. YAHWEH MAKE HIS FACE SHINE UPON YOU AND BE MERCIFUL TO YOU. YAHWEH LIFT UP HIS COUNTENANCE UPON YOU, AND GIVE YOU PEACE. So they will put MY NAME on the children of Israyl, and I will bless them."

This is the Command that the "priests forbore", all supposedly because that "Rabbi" said, "but perhaps that is not so." Note "nor did the crimson-coloured strap become white," this was the sign that thier sins were forgiven. Also the Talmud RECORDS that after they killed Yahshua, from that time until the destruction of the House of Yahweh (Solomon's Temple) the crimson colored strap NEVER turned white again.

YOU SHALL NOT SAY HIS NAME!!!


This next one is just to illustrated the level of foolishness the Pharisees partake in. They take a guy to court because he said Yahweh's Name, and the Rabbis say, "but perhaps this, but perhaps that, but perhaps, this." This is not vital to read just a little to show the confusion by design.
Talmud - Mas. Sanhedrin 56a
THE WHOLE DAY [OF THE TRIAL] THE WITNESSES ARE EXAMINED BY MEANS OF A SUBSTITUTE FOR THE DIVINE NAME, THUS, ‘MAY JOSE SMITE JOSE.’1 WHEN THE TRIAL WAS FINISHED, THE ACCUSED WAS NOT EXECUTED ON THIS EVIDENCE, BUT ALL PERSONS WERE REMOVED [FROM COURT], AND THE CHIEF WITNESS WAS TOLD, ‘STATE LITERALLY WHAT YOU HEARD. THEREUPON HE DID SO, [USING THE DIVINE NAME]. THE JUDGES THEN AROSE AND RENT THEIR GARMENTS, WHICH RENT WAS NOT TO BE RESEWN. THE SECOND WITNESS STATED; I TOO HAVE HEARD THUS’ [BUT NOT UTTERING THE DIVINE NAME], AND THE THIRD SAYS: ‘I TOO HEARD THUS’.
GEMARA. It has been taught: [The blasphemer is not punished] unless he ‘blesses’ the Name, by the Name2 From the verse, How shall I curse [Ekkob]5 whom God hath not cursed;6 whilst the formal prohibition is contained in the verse, thou shalt not revile God.7 But perhaps it means ‘to pierce,’8 as it is written, [So Jehoiada the priest took a chest,] and bored [wa-yikkob]9 a hole in the lid of it,10 the formal injunction against this being the verses, Ye shall destroy the names of them [idols] out of that place. Ye shall not do so unto the Lord your God?11 — The Name must be ‘blessed’ by the Name, which is absent here. But perhaps the text refers to the putting of two slips of parchment, each bearing the Divine Name, together, and piercing them both? — In that case one Name is pierced after the other.12 But perhaps it prohibits the engraving of the Divine Name on the Point of a knife and piercing therewith [the Divine Name written on a slip of parchment]? — In that case, the point of the knife pierces, not the Divine Name. But perhaps it refers to the pronunciation of the ineffable Name, as it is written, And Moses and Aaron took these men which are expressed [nikkebu]13 by their names;14 the formal prohibition being contained in the verse, Thou shalt fear the Lord thy God?15 — Firstly, the Name must be ‘blessed’ by the Name, which is absent here; and secondly, it is a prohibition in the form of a positive command, which is not deemed to be a prohibition at all.16 An alternative answer is this: The Writ saith, [And the Israelitish woman's son] blasphemed wa-yikkob17 [and cursed],18 proving that blasphemy [nokeb] denotes cursing. But perhaps it teaches that both offences must be perpetrated?19 You cannot think so, because it is written, Bring forth him that hath cursed,20 and not ‘him that hath blasphemed and cursed’, proving that one offence only is alluded to. Our Rabbis taught: [Any man that curseth his God, shall bear his sin.21 It would have been sufficient to say],
 

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Anyway we have gone through this before more extensively than this and I just wanted to stick up for Father Yahweh, in that I believe there is clearly a YH in Yahshua's Name, that YH is short for YHWH.
I've been wondering about this for a while. Thanks for the interesting read.
 

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that's fine with me.

do you believe if we take a letter out of a dubious transliteration (Yahshua) we are endangering our salvation?
i know you don't.
but there are certainly ppl who do.
GOD is above all of our technicalities.. What a relief :)
 

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Yeshua walked His earth as a Jew in the flesh. He opened Torah to the World beginning with those descended from Abraham either by blood or by faith, then bringing the "other flock" together with the original by His Apostles.

When I first was given to believe, my great indignation and anger was what the world had done to the reason for Yeshua coming into this age, ignoring all He taught in favor of newly labeled denominations which had separated themselves almost entirely from the faith of Abraham, and making something called Christianity the new way of avoiding anything close to being called Jewish or of Israel.

Whether this Messianic movement is a threat or not should be of no concern to anyone who sees what the denominations have already accomplished in guiding the masses away from the first assemblies of Yeshua.

Why not post on the entire issue, and not on just one that seems easy? There is the Great Whore or Zona Gadol, then came along her daughters. Choose one. If they all differ enough from the Word to require a new name because each's theology is more important than the other, they are all quite dangerous to all. Come out of her, Children of the Most High God, and come out of her daughters also...
 

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Yeshua walked His earth as a Jew in the flesh. He opened Torah to the World beginning with those descended from Abraham either by blood or by faith, then bringing the "other flock" together with the original by His Apostles.

When I first was given to believe, my great indignation and anger was what the world had done to the reason for Yeshua coming into this age, ignoring all He taught in favor of newly labeled denominations which had separated themselves almost entirely from the faith of Abraham, and making something called Christianity the new way of avoiding anything close to being called Jewish or of Israel.

Whether this Messianic movement is a threat or not should be of no concern to anyone who sees what the denominations have already accomplished in guiding the masses away from the first assemblies of Yeshua.

Why not post on the entire issue, and not on just one that seems easy? There is the Great Whore or Zona Gadol, then came along her daughters. Choose one. If they all differ enough from the Word to require a new name because each's theology is more important than the other, they are all quite dangerous to all. Come out of her, Children of the Most High God, and come out of her daughters also...
I believe all denominations are false, there is only the body of Messiah and all else is falsehood.
 

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Serve in Spirit and Truth, letting no one force a specific set of beliefs on you to join their church.

GOD is not owned by man.
 
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Whether this Messianic movement is a threat or not should be of no concern to anyone who sees what the denominations have already accomplished in guiding the masses away from the first assemblies of Yeshua.

:confused:

It should be of
no concern?

2 Tim 4:2 Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine.

Why not post on the entire issue, and not on just one that seems easy?.


I have no idea, start a thread on the "entire issue",
 

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Allow a picture. You have selected Messianic as a threat while it could be said any named theology is, this is the entire issue. One of the myriad only should be of no concern, all should be.. I believe it was understandable as posted, now it should be clear, if not, I could rephrase. Yahweh light your way always, amen.
 

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Hold on a minute... This is falsehhod.

The "J" writings (oldest "OT" manuscript, called "J" or Yahwistic for its use of YHWH) Reads like this:

Exodus 3:14, "Then Yahweh said to Mosheh: I am Who I am (eh·yeh a·sher eh·yeh). And He said: This is what you are to say to the children of Israyl; YAHWEH (YHWH) has sent me to you."

Then it goes on 6,823 times and calls Him YHWH...

Another falsehood is why do you follow the pharisee/rabbinic law of replacing His Name with God (Elohim) and Lord (Adonai)?

The origin of the ban on the Name of the Most High: Yahweh

Talmud - Mas. Sotah 38a
Another [Baraitha] taught: ‘On this wise ye shall bless the children of Israel’ — with the use of
the Shem Hameforash.15 You say that it means with the Tetragrammaton(YHWH); but perhaps that is not so and a substituted name was used!16 There is a text to say: So shall they put My name17 — My name which is unique to Me. It is possible to think that [the Shem Hameforash was also used] in places outside the Temple; but it is stated here, ‘So shall they put My name’ and elsewhere it is stated: To put His name there18 — as in this latter passage it denotes in the Temple so also in the former passage it denotes in the Temple. R. Joshiah says: [This deduction] is unnecessary; behold it states: In every place where I cause My name to be remembered I will come unto thee.19 Can it enter your mind that every place is intended?20 But the text must be transposed thus: In every place where I will come unto thee and bless thee will I cause My name to be remembered; and where will I come unto thee and bless thee? In the Temple; there, in the Temple, will I cause My name to be remembered. Another [Baraitha] teaches: ‘On this wise ye shall bless the children of Israel’ — I have here only the children of Israel; whence is it that proselytes, women and enfranchised slaves [are included]? There is a text to state, Ye shall say unto them21 — i.e., to all of them.

"but perhaps that is not so and a substituted name was used,"
No Scripture says anything like this at all, a Rabbi comes along and says, " "but perhaps that is not so," and after that Yahweh's Name is hidden. However it is not that FOOLISH and innocent, as it was on purpose that this was contrived:

Yeremyah 23:26-27, "How long will this be in the heart of the prophets who prophesy lies? Yes, they are prophets of the deceit of their own minds; Who devise; plan and scheme, to cause My people to eforget My Name through their dreams, which they tell every man to his neighbor, just as their fathers have forgotten My Name for Baal

The Name YHWH was removed at least 6,828 times and replaced with LORD or GOD. You can tell where it was because ALL the letters are capital where YHWH was. The Masorites added vowel points to the Hebrew manuscripts (not in the "J" writings," (Called J (Y) for it's use of YHWH), but in the next oldest, the "E" writings (for it's use of Elohim). The vowel points replaced Yahweh's Name with Adonal = Lord and Elohim = God(s).It is forbidden by Yahweh to hide His Name by the way. However as we seen in the Talmud, to the Rabbis this is of no effect: "we pay no attention to a Heavenly Voice." Then we come to modern times when this false practice is still used, I have a Bible that says, quote: "this tradition is still used".

Mattithyah 15:2-3, "Why do Your disciples transgress the traditions of the elders? For they do not wash their hands when they eat. But He answered, and said to them:
And why do you transgress the Laws of Yahweh by your traditions?"

Talmud - Mas. Yoma 39b
His brethren [that year] the priests forbore to mention the Ineffable Name in pronouncing the [priestly] blessing.4 Our Rabbis taught: During the last forty years before the destruction of the Temple the lot [‘For the Lord’] did not come up in the right hand; nor did the crimson-coloured strap become white;

Numbers 6:23-27, "Speak to Aaron and his sons, saying; This is how you are to bless the children of Israyl. Say to them; YAHWEH BLESS YOU AND KEEP YOU. YAHWEH MAKE HIS FACE SHINE UPON YOU AND BE MERCIFUL TO YOU. YAHWEH LIFT UP HIS COUNTENANCE UPON YOU, AND GIVE YOU PEACE. So they will put MY NAME on the children of Israyl, and I will bless them."

This is the Command that the "priests forbore", all supposedly because that "Rabbi" said, "but perhaps that is not so." Note "nor did the crimson-coloured strap become white," this was the sign that thier sins were forgiven. Also the Talmud RECORDS that after they killed Yahshua, from that time until the destruction of the House of Yahweh (Solomon's Temple) the crimson colored strap NEVER turned white again.

YOU SHALL NOT SAY HIS NAME!!!


This next one is just to illustrated the level of foolishness the Pharisees partake in. They take a guy to court because he said Yahweh's Name, and the Rabbis say, "but perhaps this, but perhaps that, but perhaps, this." This is not vital to read just a little to show the confusion by design.
Talmud - Mas. Sanhedrin 56a
THE WHOLE DAY [OF THE TRIAL] THE WITNESSES ARE EXAMINED BY MEANS OF A SUBSTITUTE FOR THE DIVINE NAME, THUS, ‘MAY JOSE SMITE JOSE.’1 WHEN THE TRIAL WAS FINISHED, THE ACCUSED WAS NOT EXECUTED ON THIS EVIDENCE, BUT ALL PERSONS WERE REMOVED [FROM COURT], AND THE CHIEF WITNESS WAS TOLD, ‘STATE LITERALLY WHAT YOU HEARD. THEREUPON HE DID SO, [USING THE DIVINE NAME]. THE JUDGES THEN AROSE AND RENT THEIR GARMENTS, WHICH RENT WAS NOT TO BE RESEWN. THE SECOND WITNESS STATED; I TOO HAVE HEARD THUS’ [BUT NOT UTTERING THE DIVINE NAME], AND THE THIRD SAYS: ‘I TOO HEARD THUS’.
GEMARA. It has been taught: [The blasphemer is not punished] unless he ‘blesses’ the Name, by the Name2 From the verse, How shall I curse [Ekkob]5 whom God hath not cursed;6 whilst the formal prohibition is contained in the verse, thou shalt not revile God.7 But perhaps it means ‘to pierce,’8 as it is written, [So Jehoiada the priest took a chest,] and bored [wa-yikkob]9 a hole in the lid of it,10 the formal injunction against this being the verses, Ye shall destroy the names of them [idols] out of that place. Ye shall not do so unto the Lord your God?11 — The Name must be ‘blessed’ by the Name, which is absent here. But perhaps the text refers to the putting of two slips of parchment, each bearing the Divine Name, together, and piercing them both? — In that case one Name is pierced after the other.12 But perhaps it prohibits the engraving of the Divine Name on the Point of a knife and piercing therewith [the Divine Name written on a slip of parchment]? — In that case, the point of the knife pierces, not the Divine Name. But perhaps it refers to the pronunciation of the ineffable Name, as it is written, And Moses and Aaron took these men which are expressed [nikkebu]13 by their names;14 the formal prohibition being contained in the verse, Thou shalt fear the Lord thy God?15 — Firstly, the Name must be ‘blessed’ by the Name, which is absent here; and secondly, it is a prohibition in the form of a positive command, which is not deemed to be a prohibition at all.16 An alternative answer is this: The Writ saith, [And the Israelitish woman's son] blasphemed wa-yikkob17 [and cursed],18 proving that blasphemy [nokeb] denotes cursing. But perhaps it teaches that both offences must be perpetrated?19 You cannot think so, because it is written, Bring forth him that hath cursed,20 and not ‘him that hath blasphemed and cursed’, proving that one offence only is alluded to. Our Rabbis taught: [Any man that curseth his God, shall bear his sin.21 It would have been sufficient to say],

Hizikyah:)
could you please tell me the story behind the Tetragrammaton?:)

LORD (Strong's #3068)

The word LORD (all uppercase letters) is, in the Hebrew text, the name of God - יהוה (Yahweh) and commonly called the Tetragramaton. In our culture we use names as simple identifiers, a word with no meaning that identifies an individual. But, in the Hebrews culture each name was a Hebrew word, or phrase, that has a meaning. In the case of יהוה it is the verb הוה (hawah) meaning to "exist" and the prefixed pronoun י (y) meaning "he." The name יהוה means "he exists."

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could you check this with your sacred name hebrew experts?
i could be wrong.

i don't care about what rabbis do or say.
i want to know your understanding of the Tetragrammaton, and why you are using a transliteration of a CODE.

please CITE YOUR SOURCES.

thank you...laterz
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