Question for Post-Trib believers

[Bryancampbell]

Hello,

I'm struggling in understanding the first and second resurrection. I know that in Revelation 20:4-6 speaks of the first where the ones who rejected the beast and his image, and the martyrs of Christ will resurrect to life and reign a thousand years with Christ in the Millennium. If we are resurrected to life with glorified bodies, are we to stay here with Christ a thousand years with peace before going to heaven? If so, what about the rapture? I thought that takes place right after the tribulation. If we are raptured at the time of Christ. Who is staying for the Millennium kingdom? Some say the 144,000 "Jewish believers", but that still doesn't make sense, I think the tribes are symbolic. I know the second resurrection is the great throne judgement, and those who believe will have everlasting life, but those who are don't believe are sent to the lake of fire (Rev. 20:11-15).

I'm so lost. If we are resurrected with new bodies, do we stay for Christ thousand year reign, or get raptured? If I don't directly reply I'm either not on, or looking for an answer.

 

[JesusChica1991]

My reply is don't waste your day trying to decode the book of Revelation That was not the author's intent when he was writing the book. Revelation is not meant to be decoded in our context. It was meant to be understood by the audience he was writing too in that immediate time. I, too, used to be obsessed with trying to decode prophecy; but not anymore God has revealed to me throughout teachings it was meant to be understood in that context. Am I saying all of prophecy has been fulfilled? Obviously not. But I am saying that we should not spend our lives trying to figure out who the Anti-Christ is, when the rapture will occur (an idea in the preterist/futurist movement I don't identify with) or when the 2nd coming will be. History will play out as it always has. Sin will escalate. Leave the events in Revelation up to God's calender. Continue to focus on bringing praise to God by not only preaching but LIVING the Gospel truth. Hope this helps.

 

[Anonimous]

Whatever happens or whenever it happens really is according to God's schedule and timing. Just let Him handle the details from day to day. God set His schedule according to John Hagee or anyone else...including me.

 

[Bryancampbell]

I don't think I'm trying to decode a prophetic message, I'm trying to learn how the resurrection works. Heb 6:1-2. This is a already revealed teaching, I'm curious how this works since it is important.

 

[Isdaniel]

Hello,

I'm struggling in understanding the first and second resurrection. I know that in Revelation 20:4-6 speaks of the first where the ones who rejected the beast and his image, and the martyrs of Christ will resurrect to life and reign a thousand years with Christ in the Millennium. If we are resurrected to life with glorified bodies, are we to stay here with Christ a thousand years with peace before going to heaven? If so, what about the rapture? I thought that takes place right after the tribulation. If we are raptured at the time of Christ. Who is staying for the Millennium kingdom? Some say the 144,000 "Jewish believers", but that still doesn't make sense, I think the tribes are symbolic. I know the second resurrection is the great throne judgement, and those who believe will have everlasting life, but those who are don't believe are sent to the lake of fire (Rev. 20:11-15).

I'm so lost. If we are resurrected with new bodies, do we stay for Christ thousand year reign, or get raptured? If I don't directly reply I'm either not on, or looking for an answer.

Can a child live for a 100 years now ?

 

[Isdaniel]

Hello,

I'm struggling in understanding the first and second resurrection. I know that in Revelation 20:4-6 speaks of the first where the ones who rejected the beast and his image, and the martyrs of Christ will resurrect to life and reign a thousand years with Christ in the Millennium. If we are resurrected to life with glorified bodies, are we to stay here with Christ a thousand years with peace before going to heaven? If so, what about the rapture? I thought that takes place right after the tribulation. If we are raptured at the time of Christ. Who is staying for the Millennium kingdom? Some say the 144,000 "Jewish believers", but that still doesn't make sense, I think the tribes are symbolic. I know the second resurrection is the great throne judgement, and those who believe will have everlasting life, but those who are don't believe are sent to the lake of fire (Rev. 20:11-15).

I'm so lost. If we are resurrected with new bodies, do we stay for Christ thousand year reign, or get raptured? If I don't directly reply I'm either not on, or looking for an answer.

Dear reader, it has been taught for centuries that the saints will be secretly taken up to meet JESUS before the tribulation. The following will prove if this is a fact or not ?

Where were the children of Israel when the plagues fell ?
Ex 8:22-23 see also Ex 9:4, 25-26
[SUP]22[/SUP]And I will sever in that day the land of Goshen, in which my people dwell, that no swarms of flies shall be there; to the end thou mayest know that I am the LORD in the midst of the earth.
[SUP]23[/SUP]And I will put a division between my people and thy people: to morrow shall this sign be.

Why did God pass over Israel ?
Exodus 12:12-13

[SUP]12[/SUP]For I will pass through the land of Egypt this night, and will smite all the firstborn in the land of Egypt, both man and beast; and against all the gods of Egypt I will execute judgment: I am the LORD.
[SUP]13[/SUP]And the blood shall be to you for a token upon the houses where ye are: and when I see the blood, I will pass over you, and the plague shall not be upon you to destroy you, when I smite the land of Egypt.

 

[Isdaniel]

Who’s blood are we to be covered in today to escape the future plagues ?
Rev 7:14 See also 1John1: 7

[SUP]14[/SUP]And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.

What will happen to the saints before the 7 last plagues begin to fall ?
Revelation 7:1-3

And after these things I saw four angels standing on the four corners of the earth, holding the four winds of the earth, that the wind should not blow on the earth, nor on the sea, nor on any tree.
[SUP]2[/SUP]And I saw another angel ascending from the east, having the seal of the living God: and he cried with a loud voice to the four angels, to whom it was given to hurt the earth and the sea,
[SUP]3[/SUP]Saying, Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads.

What is this seal? Is 8:16 Ps 37:30-31

[SUP]16[/SUP]Bind up the testimony, seal the law among my disciples.
.[SUP]30[/SUP]The mouth of the righteous speaketh wisdom, and his tongue talketh of judgment.
[SUP]31[/SUP]The law of his God is in his heart; none of his steps shall slide.

 

[notuptome]

The short answer is yes. The church will return with Christ and reign with Him for the millennial period. Then satan is loosed from the pit and he with all those who follow him are judged and cast into the lake of fire for eternity. God makes a new heaven and a new earth free from sin where we live with Him forever and ever and ever.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[Isdaniel]

What is the result of having the seal of GOD during the plagues?
Revelation 9:3- 4 Ps 91:10

[SUP]3[/SUP]And there came out of the smoke locusts upon the earth: and unto them was given power, as the scorpions of the earth have power.
[SUP]4[/SUP]And it was commanded them that they should not hurt the grass of the earth, neither any green thing, neither any tree; but only those men which have not the seal of God in their foreheads.

Note: During the tribulation on earth the Blood of the Lamb allows the saints to be sealed while the wicked who do not have the Blood of the Lamb will not be seal and are therefore tormented.

Will Jesus descend/come before or after the Great Tribulation ? 1The 4:16-17

[SUP]16[/SUP]For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
[SUP]17[/SUP]Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air:
and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

1Corinthians 15:52
[SUP]52[/SUP]In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.


Note 1 Corithians and thesolonians is the same event while Jesus descend the dead saints ressurect first to meet Him in the air on the clouds the same time then the alive saints also go after to meet Jesus

 

[Isdaniel]

Mat 24:29-31 Mark 13:24-27
[SUP]24[/SUP]But in those days, after that tribulation, the sun shall be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light,
[SUP]25[/SUP]And the stars of heaven shall fall, and the powers that are in heaven shall be shaken.
[SUP]26[/SUP]And then shall they see the Son of man coming in the clouds with great power and glory.
[SUP]27[/SUP]And then shall he send his angels, and shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from the uttermost part of the earth to the uttermost part of heaven.or the clouds
To what place will Jesus descend ?

Zachariah 14: 1,4 Job19:25 Acts1:9-12

[SUP]1[/SUP]Behold, the day of the LORD cometh, and thy spoil shall be divided in the midst of thee.
[SUP]4[/SUP]And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south.

 

[Isdaniel]

Obadiah 21 ,Psalm 122 Micah 4:1-8
[SUP]21[/SUP]And saviours shall come up on mount Zion to judge the mount of Esau; and the kingdom shall be the LORD's
How did the saints reach Mt .Zion ?
Psalms 104:3
[SUP]3[/SUP]Who layeth the beams of his chambers in the waters: who maketh the clouds his chariot: who walketh upon the wings of the wind:

Isaiah 24:23 JOEL 3:14-21
[SUP]23[/SUP]Then the moon shall be confounded, and the sun ashamed, when the LORD of hosts shall reign in mount Zion, and in Jerusalem, and before his ancients gloriously

Note : Dear reader the saints are gathered after the tribulation at the last trumpet and NOT BEFORE . As Jesus descends , the saints ascends to meet him in the air (1st heaven) on the clouds .Then the angels gathers them on the clouds where they will then transport the saints from all over the world to Mt Zion in Jerusalem to rule with Christ 1000yrs .

What happens after Jesus 1000yr rule on the earth?
1Cor 15:24
[SUP]24[/SUP]Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.

 

[konroh]

It seems your question is to wonder who is really on the earth for the 1000 years. If all are raptured at the 2nd coming of Jesus and all have glorified bodies, then who is it who has a natural body and reigns on the earth? If everyone has a glorified body then it seems they would want to be in heaven rather than earth. If they have a glorified body, then they won't populate the earth, and there will be no people to reign over on the earth. Jesus will be the king of a kingdom without a people. This is actually one of the biggest problems with the post-trib position. As far as I know there has been no satisfactory answer, other than to suppose there's a difference between the Rapture and the 2nd coming.

 

[Isdaniel]

The short answer is yes. The church will return with Christ and reign with Him for the millennial period. Then satan is loosed from the pit and he with all those who follow him are judged and cast into the lake of fire for eternity. God makes a new heaven and a new earth free from sin where we live with Him forever and ever and ever.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

Who is a saint ? When does Jesus return with his saints ? what verse says that ?

 

[Isdaniel]

What happens at Jesus 2nd and only coming while the saints are resurreced to reign with Him a 1000yr


What was heard from heaven at the 7th trumpet ?
Revelation 11:15

[SUP]15[/SUP]And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.

Will Christ’s Kingdom be located in or under heaven ? Dan 7:27 2:35

[SUP]27[/SUP]And the kingdom and dominion, and the greatness of the kingdom under the whole heaven, shall be given to the people of the saints of the most High, whose kingdom is an everlasting kingdom, and all dominions shall serve and obey him.

What place will be the headquarters of this Kingdom ? Micah 4 :1-2

See also Mat 5:35 Isa 24:23 Ps 48

[SUP]1[/SUP]But in the last days it shall come to pass, that the mountain of the house of the LORD shall be established in the top of the mountains, and it shall be exalted above the hills; and people shall flow unto it.
[SUP]2[/SUP]And many (wicked ) nations shall come, and say, Come, and let us go up to the mountain of the LORD, and to the house of the God of Jacob; and he will teach us of his ways, and we will walk in his paths: for the law shall go forth of Zion, and the word of the LORD from Jerusalem.

 

[SpiritofFire]

In short the plagues really kick in with the crash of the world's economy. Those who are sealed will then lead to cast down imaginations, while those being tormented by this will be fearful. Countries are already positioning themselves around the world for this event to war over control of resources. But just as the sabbath dictates, those who look for manna in the field will be cut off. They will kill each other off to hold on to a dead system.

 

[Isdaniel]

Who will reign with Christ when they overcome now ?

Rev 2:26-27 see also Mat 25: 20-21
[SUP]26[/SUP]And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give power over the (wicked )nations:
[SUP]27[/SUP]And he shall rule them with a rod of iron; as the vessels of a potter shall they be broken to shivers: even as I received of my Father.

Will the overcomers reign with Christ in heaven or on the earth?
Rev 5:9-10 see also Ma 5:5
[SUP]9[/SUP]And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation;
[SUP]10[/SUP]And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.( from Jerusalem) Isaiah 2

How long will the overcomers reign ?

Revelation 20:6
Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years

 

[Isdaniel]

The short answer is yes. The church will return with Christ and reign with Him for the millennial period. Then satan is loosed from the pit and he with all those who follow him are judged and cast into the lake of fire for eternity. God makes a new heaven and a new earth free from sin where we live with Him forever and ever and ever.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

the true church from all over the world is caught up in the air and the goes to jerusalem to reign with Jesus on the earth for a 1000yrs

Matthew 24

29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

Isaiah 24

23 Then the moon shall be confounded, and the sun ashamed, when the Lord of hosts shall reign in mount Zion, and in Jerusalem, and before his ancients gloriously.

 

[Isdaniel]

Who will reign with Christ when they overcome now ?

Rev 2:26-27 see also Mat 25: 20-21
[SUP]26[/SUP]And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give power over the (wicked )nations:
[SUP]27[/SUP]And he shall rule them with a rod of iron; as the vessels of a potter shall they be broken to shivers: even as I received of my Father.

Will the overcomers reign with Christ in heaven or on the earth?
Rev 5:9-10 see also Ma 5:5
[SUP]9[/SUP]And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation;
[SUP]10[/SUP]And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.( from Jerusalem) Isaiah 2

How long will the overcomers reign ?

Revelation 20:6
Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years

Will there be other people in this kingdom ? Dan 7:13-14 also Ps 72: 6-11
[SUP]13[/SUP]I saw in the night visions, and, behold, one like the Son of man came with the clouds of heaven, and came to the Ancient of days, and they brought him near before him.
[SUP]14[/SUP]And there was given him dominion, and glory, and a kingdom, that all people, nations, and languages, should serve him: his dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away, and his kingdom that which shall not be destroyed

Would all the wicked nations be destroyed at Armageddon? Is 24:6,21-22

[SUP]6[/SUP]Therefore hath the curse devoured the earth, and they that dwell therein are desolate: therefore the inhabitants of the earth are burned, and few men left.( wicked nations )

What will happen to these nations that will not serve Christ during the 1000yr? Zac 14:16-17 1Cor 15:24-25 Ps 110

[SUP]16[/SUP]And it shall come to pass, that every one that is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, and to keep the feast of tabernacles.
[SUP]17[/SUP]And it shall be, that whoso will not come up of all the families of the earth unto Jerusalem to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, even upon them shall be no rain.

 

[Isdaniel]

Could these wicked nations be saved during the 1000yr?
Isa 65:20, Heb 6:8

[SUP]20[/SUP]There shall be no more thence an infant of days, nor an old man that hath not filled his days: for the child shall die an hundred years old; but the sinner being an hundred years old shall be accursed
Where will Satan be during the 1000yr ? Rev 20:3
[SUP]3[/SUP]And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the (wicked) nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.
What will some nations be doing during the 1000yr Micah 4:3

[SUP]3[/SUP]And he shall judge among many people, and rebuke strong nations afar off; and
they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruninghooks: nation shall not lift up a sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more

What will happen after the 1000yr reign?

Revelation 20:7
[SUP]7[/SUP]And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,

 

[Isdaniel]

What does Satan do when he is loosed?
Rev 20:8
8And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog, and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.


What did Satan and his followers do ?
Revelation 20:9 1st part
9And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city


Note :these nations are the same wicked people that were not destroyed during the battle of Armageddon and were ruled with a rod of iron by Christ and his saints during the 1000yr period . This is an opportunity for them to wage war on the camp of the saints which is on the EARTH at Jerusalem.

What did God Almighty do ?
Revelation 20:9 last part
and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.
What is the final Judgment on Satan? Revelation 20:10
10And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.