Are spirits (ghosts) demons?

[WomanLovesTX]

IMO yes, and I believe any doctrine of an immortal soul is the key and gate giving permission to demons to impersonate a deceased person. Mediums, spiritist, channeling, seance, Oije boards, etc. A person who believes in an immortal soul is more likely to accept a ghost in their presence.

Those who hold to a doctrine of immortal soul believe immediately after death the soul goes to another place, such as paradise, or heaven or hell separated from the body, yet capable of feeling pain if one goes to hell to be eternally tormented.

As for me, should I die before Yeshua returns, I will know nothing until the First Ressurection and receive my immortal body and soul and then be like Yeshua' s resurrected body. My new immortal body will never know corruption. My place of service will be on earth and not up in the clouds somewhere.

 

[Wanderers]

Hmmmm....interesting one.

What do you make of NDEs then (Near Death Experiences)?

As for me, I have seen a ghost as the house we lived in was I was a nipper was haunted.

 

[John_S]

There aren't any ghosts.

 

[Wanderers]

There aren't any ghosts.

Well what I saw definitely wasn't an intruder from next door or outside.

 

[Isdaniel]

Hmmmm....interesting one.

What do you make of NDEs then (Near Death Experiences)?

As for me, I have seen a ghost as the house we lived in was I was a nipper was haunted.

Wat did the wich of Endor saw ? was it samuel ?

 

[4enlightment]

IMO yes, and I believe any doctrine of an immortal soul is the key and gate giving permission to demons to impersonate a deceased person. Mediums, spiritist, channeling, seance, Oije boards, etc. A person who believes in an immortal soul is more likely to accept a ghost in their presence.

Those who hold to a doctrine of immortal soul believe immediately after death the soul goes to another place, such as paradise, or heaven or hell separated from the body, yet capable of feeling pain if one goes to hell to be eternally tormented.

As for me, should I die before Yeshua returns, I will know nothing until the First Ressurection and receive my immortal body and soul and then be like Yeshua' s resurrected body. My new immortal body will never know corruption. My place of service will be on earth and not up in the clouds somewhere.

Proverbs 4:16 For they cannot rest until they do evil;
they are robbed of sleep till they make someone stumble.

Matthew 26:75Then Peter remembered the word Jesus had spoken: “Before the rooster crows, you will disown me three times.” And he went outside and wept bitterly.

Mark 3:4Then Jesus asked them, “Which is lawful on the Sabbath: to do good or to do evil, to save life or to kill?” But they remained silent.

The Pharisees couldn't rest until they had finished what they desired to do. If the wicked soul cannot make no one fall, but surrounded by the fallen souls in this realm, I guess there isn't going to be any rest and relaxation for them forever. To them that will be like living in a hellish place because there will be no one to push around or to make someone stumble.

 

[MaggieMye]

There are no ghosts, except for the Holy Ghost/Holy Spirit. But there are demons manifesting AS deceased humans. They are liars, remember!
NDE....it a GREAT LIE from the kingdom of Darkness. Remember that satan comes AS an angel of light and when an unsaved person goes towards that light, they will die UNSAVED!!
Christians that have seen Jesus in NDE ALWAYS have a choice as to go toward HIM (not just a bright light, but a recongnizeable JESUS Christ). The light in NDE is a deception geared toward stealing those created in God's image away from Him and taking them to hell.

 

[Wanderers]

Wat did the wich of Endor saw ? was it samuel ?

Yes it was, Isdaniel.

The fact that God forbids dealing with the mediums suggests there is more to it than the fact they do not exist.

In 2 Cor 12:2. St Paul writes that 'he knew a man' who was caught up in a third heaven and heard 'inexpressible' things that man is not allowed to utter. Could this be an early account of a NDE? Scholars wonder whether this man was St Paul himself.

There are things that we are not allowed to delve into but it doesn't mean they do not exist.

 

[J-Kay-2]

There are no ghosts, except for the Holy Ghost/Holy Spirit. But there are demons manifesting AS deceased humans. They are liars, remember!
NDE....it a GREAT LIE from the kingdom of Darkness. Remember that satan comes AS an angel of light and when an unsaved person goes towards that light, they will die UNSAVED!!
Christians that have seen Jesus in NDE ALWAYS have a choice as to go toward HIM (not just a bright light, but a recongnizeable JESUS Christ). The light in NDE is a deception geared toward stealing those created in God's image away from Him and taking them to hell.

Good answer Maggie. I think there are far too many jumping on the bandwagon
when one person comes out with a book saying they went to Heaven. I will not
say it can't happen ~ I do not know what God would want to do. But I do think
there are some books out that not true incidents.

I have had the presence of evil and after becoming Christian I learned what I
had experienced was demonic. God help those who open doors to that belief.

 

[Wanderers]

There are no ghosts, except for the Holy Ghost/Holy Spirit. But there are demons manifesting AS deceased humans. They are liars, remember!
NDE....it a GREAT LIE from the kingdom of Darkness. Remember that satan comes AS an angel of light and when an unsaved person goes towards that light, they will die UNSAVED!!
Christians that have seen Jesus in NDE ALWAYS have a choice as to go toward HIM (not just a bright light, but a recongnizeable JESUS Christ). The light in NDE is a deception geared toward stealing those created in God's image away from Him and taking them to hell.

Hmm..well, many people who have NDEs return with a greater sense of love for their fellow man (or woman). There are those who also have experiences of God, of having to give account of their lives, meeting a figure they later believed to be Jesus. Of course, there are those in other cultures who say they have seen their own prophets and gods, which adds fuel to the fire of neurologists who say it is 'all in the brain'.

What cannot be refuted is those who do have a NDE return with different outlook on life. In fact, someone once commented that if God allowed all humans to have an NDE experience then all would then know that He is real, that Christ lives and they can then make a truly informed choice. A bit mystical I would say but I got the point.

 

[rabel]

Hey everybody new here just wanted to say hello

 

[J-Kay-2]

Hey everybody new here just wanted to say hello

Hello rabel.

 

[Agricola]

So what do you make of Jellyfish man, a non-beleiver who until he died met Christ and was given a second chance.
Ian McCormack - Heaven Hell and the Box Jellyfish

Yes "ghosts" are demons, I have even got rid of them, one pesky critter messing around at my work place, but when enough was enough and it wasn't going it was time to tell it to.

 

[alan68]

I don't know enough about it to say definitively that there is no contact with the departed dead. However, in our current material bodies, we are unable to determine the difference between a departed spirit and a demon posing as one. For this reason, God's Word urges us to stay away from these things altogether. When in doubt, test all things against Scripture.

 

[J-Kay-2]

It appears the issue about people lying on graves to receive the impartation
of the dead person was mistakenly thought I wanted to over take this Thread.
Not so. I don't feel it fits here but I do think it is important people know the new
wave of people and I am saying some Christian leaders are misleading people.
So I will post a little paragraph here to prove it is going on and it doesn't belong
here but maybe some will learn what is happening.

Crowder, kneeling at the grave of Alexander Dowie and speaking to the camera says:

"And we've just come to the grave today to release to you an impartation of healing revival, of city building, restoration city-taking anointing, master-building apostolic anointing, and so we just rip it right out of the ground, we just suck it right off his dead bones, in Jesus name, and loose it to you., a healing-revival-glory-master-building-apostolic anointing glory..."​

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Other have commented on this, bringing up the shortcomings of Alexander Dowie. Quite frankly, this would be just as wrong if it were the grave of the Apostle Paul. There is no biblical basis for this practice and it leads people into error.

 

[WomanLovesTX]

My daughters have had experiences with ghost spirits in their homes. But they opened themselves up to this deception by going to a medium to tell them their futures. Not just once, but for several years they sought her out. The medium died last year. She was 40 years old. I didn't know about all of this until the medium died and then my youngest daughter opened up to me about things the medium had told them. I told her the ghosts are demons and that God hates all pagan practices.

 

[SpaceCowboy]

Ghosts/Spirits and demons are two different types of entities. Both evil.

 

[WomanLovesTX]

As for as NDE, IMO it is brain chemical balance/imbalance related. We are complex beings, and our minds can be very delusional to the point we are convinced the mind experience was a reality, either spiritually or physically. Mental/Mind experiences are just as real as fully awake/aware experiences. I know, because my brain chemical balance/imbalance sent me strong delusions. I take captive of every thought and hold it to the light of scriptures. If it is contrary to the Word, then it is generally, a delusional lie and not to be taken seriously. Also dreams must be put to the test of the Word.

 

[WomanLovesTX]

Ghosts/Spirits and demons are two different types of entities. Both evil.

So do you think that Ghosts/Spirits are dead humans? My point in OP is that those who have a belief system/doctrine that all humans have an immortal soul are opening themselves up to the delusional lie that they can see and/or hear from their departed "loved" ones.

 

[Isdaniel]

Ghosts/Spirits and demons are two different types of entities. Both evil.

[h=3]Psalm 104[/h]King James Version (KJV)

104 Bless the Lord, O my soul. O Lord my God, thou art very great; thou art clothed with honour and majesty.
2 Who coverest thyself with light as with a garment: who stretchest out the heavens like a curtain:
3 Who layeth the beams of his chambers in the waters: who maketh the clouds his chariot: who walketh upon the wings of the wind:
4 Who maketh his angels spirits; his ministers a flaming fire: