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Hizikyah

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The OP pits Yahweh against Himself, which is impossible...

If you are a part of the Covenant ratified in the blood of the Messiah Yahshua, you will keep Yahweh's Law.

Yeremyah 31:33, "After those days, says Yahweh: I will put My Law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; minds, and I will be their Father, and they will be My people."
8451. torah
torah: direction, instruction, law
Original Word: תּוֹרָה
Part of Speech: Noun Feminine
Transliteration: torah
Phonetic Spelling: (to-raw')
Short Definition: law

Revelation 12:17, "And the dragon was enraged with the woman, and went to make war with those who forsook her seed; her seed being those who keep the Laws of Yahweh, and have the testimony of Yahshua Messiah."

1785. entolé
Definition: an ordinance, injunction, command, law.

Revelation 14:12, "In this manner are the saints purified--by keeping the Laws of Yahweh, in conformity with the faith in Yahshua Messiah."

1785. entolé
Definition: an ordinance, injunction, command, law.

Romans 3:31, "Are we then doing away with the Law through the faith? By no means! Rather, we establish the Law!"

the word Law is: 3551. nomos
nomos: that which is assigned, hence usage, law
Original Word: νόμος, ου, ὁ
Part of Speech: Noun, Masculine
Transliteration: nomos
Phonetic Spelling: (nom'-os)
Short Definition: a law, the Mosaic Law
Definition: usage, custom, law; in NT: of law in general, plur: of divine laws; of a force or influence impelling to action; of the Mosaic law; meton: of the books which contain the law, the Pentateuch, the Old Testament scriptures in general.

Mattithyah 7:23, "But then I will declare to them; I never knew you. Get away from Me, you who practice iniquity."

iniquity is:#0458 ἀνομία anomia {an-om-ee'-ah} from G0459

Greek Word Study (Transliteration-Pronunciation Etymology & Grammar)
1) the condition of without law
1a) because ignorant of it
1b) because of violating it
2) contempt and violation of law, iniquity, wickedness

Thayer's (New Testament Greek-English Lexicon)
From G0459; illegality, that is, violation of law or (generally) wickedness:—iniquity, X transgress (-ion of) the law, unrighteousness.

Strong's (Greek Dictionary of the New Testament) #458.
α᾿νομι´α anomia; from 459; lawlessness:— lawless deed, lawless deeds, lawlessness
 
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2. At least you made some attempt. Jesus told his followers, who were to spread his message to the gentiles, to learn from those in the seat of Moses. They were still following the law while preaching.

Then Jesus said to the crowds and to his disciples: [SUP]2 [/SUP]“The teachers of the law and the Pharisees sit in Moses’ seat. [SUP]3 [/SUP]So you must be careful to do everything they tell you. But do not do what they do, for they do not practice what they preach. [SUP]4 [/SUP]They tie up heavy, cumbersome loads and put them on other people’s shoulders, but they themselves are not willing to lift a finger to move them.
First, Jesus never told the disciples to take anything to the gentiles.
Second, you have no evidence that the disciples taught anyone to keep the law. Peter himself called bondage to the law an unbearable burden.
Third, Jesus told the disciples to go into all of the world and proclaim the gospel, not the law.
 

Hizikyah

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Romans 3:31, "Are we then doing away with the Law through the faith? By no means! Rather, we establish the Law!"

the word Law is: 3551. nomos
nomos: that which is assigned, hence usage, law
Original Word: νόμος, ου, ὁ
Part of Speech: Noun, Masculine
Transliteration: nomos
Phonetic Spelling: (nom'-os)
Short Definition: a law, the Mosaic Law
Definition: usage, custom, law; in NT: of law in general, plur: of divine laws; of a force or influence impelling to action; of the Mosaic law; meton: of the books which contain the law, the Pentateuch, the Old Testament scriptures in general.
Looks like Shaul taught obedience to Yahweh's Law.
 
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If you are a part of the Covenant ratified in the blood of the Messiah Yahshua, you will keep Yahweh's Law.
If you are a part of the Covenant ratified in the blood of the Messiah Yahshua, you will believe the good news (gospel).
 

Hizikyah

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If you are a part of the Covenant ratified in the blood of the Messiah Yahshua, you will believe the good news (gospel).
This is certainly true.

We have been forgiven our transgressions, a mercy none are worthy of, yet we have been given this mercy.

We have not been givein this mercy so we may now trample all over the blood of Messiah and continually transgress against Yahweh.

We have been forgiven now let us all as obedient children of Yahweh turn to Him in obedience, and if we slip, to ask forgiveness and get back up and do the will of Yahweh.

Acts 20:28, "Therefore, be on guard for yourselves and the whole flock over which the Holy Spirit has made you overseers, to feed the called out ones of Yahweh, which Yahshua has purchased with His own blood."
 
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What exactly was the "gospel" that Jesus told them to preach?
The good news of the kingdom is that GOD has forgiven mankind through his son's death of all its sins, and has raised Christ from the dead and made him lord of the kingdom; who gives eternal life to all who believe in GOD's gracious gift.
 
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We have not been givein this mercy so we may now trample all over the blood of Messiah and continually transgress against Yahweh.

We have been forgiven now let us all as obedient children of Yahweh turn to Him in obedience, and if we slip, to ask forgiveness and get back up and do the will of Yahweh.
Not believing and abiding in GOD's grace is trampling the blood of Christ and transgressing against GOD.
 

Hizikyah

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Not believing and abiding in GOD's grace is trampling the blood of Christ and transgressing against GOD.
He who believes will do.

Hebrews 4:2, "For this message was preached to us, as well as to them; but the word which they heard did not benefit them, because they did not share in the faith of those who obeyed."
 
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He who believes will do.

Hebrews 4:2, "For this message was preached to us, as well as to them; but the word which they heard did not benefit them, because they did not share in the faith of those who obeyed."
Do what? Works of law? What nonsense.
 

Hizikyah

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Do what? Works of law? What nonsense.
You preach a false message devoid of submission to Yahweh, it is horrendous. You do your best to make the Laws of Yahweh appear as filthy.

Isayah 42:21, "Yahweh is well-pleased, for His righteousness' sake, to magnify the Law, and make it honorable"

Mattithyah 5:19, "Whosoever, therefore, will break one of the least of these Laws, and will teach men so, he will be called the least in the Kingdom of Yahweh; but whosoever will do and teach them, the same will be called great in the Kingdom of Yahweh."

Mattithyah 22:37-40, "Yahshua said to him: You must love Yahweh your Father with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your might. This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: You shall love your hneighbor as yourself. On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets."

Yahchanan 14:15, "If you love Me, keep My commandments."

Mattithyah 5:18, "For truly I say to you; Unless heaven and earth passes away, one yodh--the smallest of the letters--will in no way pass from the Law, until all things are perfected."

Luke 16:17, "But it is easier for heaven and earth to pass, than one yodh of the Law to fail."

Revelation 22:12-15, "And behold, I come quickly, and My reward is with Me, to give every man according as his work will be. I am the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End. Blessed are those who keep His Laws, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city. For outside are dogs, and sorcerers,
and whoremongers, and murderers, and worshipers of gods and everyone who professes to love, yet practices falsehood."

Yahchanan 8:31, "...If you continue in My doctrine, then you are truly My disciples."

Isayah 42:21, "Yahweh is well-pleased, for His righteousness' sake, to magnify the Law, and make it honorable"

Mattithyah 5:20-30, ""For I say to you: Unless your righteousness exceeds the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, you will certainly not enter into the Kingdom of Yahweh. You have heard that it was said by the people of ancient times: You shall not murder, and iwhoever murders will be in danger of the judgment; But I say to you: Whoever is angry with his brother will be in danger of the judgment! Again, anyone who says; Raca! insulting your brother, will be in danger of the Sanhedrin, but whoever says: Nabel! desiring them to fall away, will be in danger of the fire of Gehenna. Therefore, if you are offering your gift at the altar, and there you remember that your brother has something against you; Leave your gift there before the altar, and go first and be reconciled with your brother; then come and offer your gift. Settle a controversy with your accuser quickly, before he gets you into court; or your adversary may deliver you to the judge, the judge deliver you to the officer, and you be put into prison. Truly I say to you: You will never come out of there until you have paid the last penny. You have heard that it was said by the people of ancient times: You shall not commit adultery; But I say to you: Whoever looks on a woman with lust for her, has already committed ladultery with her in his heart. So if your right eye causes you to offend; sin, gouge it out and throw it from you! For it is better for you that one of your members perish, than for the whole body to be cast into Gehenna. Or if your right hand causes you to offend, cut it off and throw it from you! For it is better for you that one of your members perish, than for the whole body to be cast into Gehenna."

You preach half the message of the Messiah, and in reality you pervert it and make it a trampling mat. Your doctrine is the exact doctrine condemned by Yahdah (Jude), for you speak in direct oppisition to Yahweh and Yahshua but in line with garden of eden temptation, "disobey Yahweh and you will still have life":

Yahdah 1:4, "For there are certain men who have secretly crept in, who were before of old ordained for this condemnation, unholy men, who turn the undeserved pardon of our One Supreme Savior Yahweh into licentiousness, and deny Yahshua our Messiah."

The spirit that leads the Lawless is not the Spirit of Yahweh but another spirit.

Revelation 22:12-15, "And behold, I come quickly, and My reward is with Me, to give every man according as his work will be. I am the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End. Blessed are those who keep His Laws, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city. For outside are dogs, and sorcerers,
and whoremongers, and murderers, and worshipers of gods and everyone who professes to love, yet practices falsehood
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You preach a false message devoid of submission to Yahweh, it is horrendous. You do your best to make the Laws of Yahweh appear as filthy.
You're an accuser of the brethren and a teacher of another gospel. You can only conceive of submission to GOD in terms of law. You are devoid of the holy spirit.
 

Hizikyah

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You're an accuser of the brethren and a teacher of another gospel. You can only conceive of submission to GOD in terms of law. You are devoid of the holy spirit.
There is no submission to Yahweh that dosent include following His instructions, believeing His prophets, accepting His Passover Lamb, and being subject to His Law.

The Messiah Himself saysHe will tell people to get away from Him for not being subject to Yahweh's Law.

PERIOD.

Mattithyah 7:23, "But then I will declare to them; I never knew you. Get away from Me, you who practice iniquity."

iniquity is:#0458 ἀνομία anomia {an-om-ee'-ah} from G0459

Greek Word Study (Transliteration-Pronunciation Etymology & Grammar)
1) the condition of without law
1a) because ignorant of it
1b) because of violating it
2) contempt and violation of law, iniquity, wickedness
Revelation 15:3, "And they sing the Song of Mosheh, the servant of Yahweh, and the Song of the Lamb, saying: Great and marvelous are Your works, Father Yahweh Almighty! Just and true are Your ways, O King of saints!"

Revelation 14:12, "In this manner are the saints purified--by keeping the Laws of
Yahweh,
in conformity with the faith in Yahshua Messiah."


 
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There is no submission to Yahweh that dosent include following His instructions, believeing His prophets, accepting His Passover Lamb, and being subject to His Law.

The Messiah Himself saysHe will tell people to get away from Him for not being subject to Yahweh's Law.

PERIOD.
If you believed Moses and the prophets, you would believe Jesus. But you really don't believe any of them. You have set up your own religion that denies the reign of the spirit and grace (that Moses and the prophets spoke of), and exalts the law that you cannot keep.

Do not think that I will accuse you before the Father! The one who accuses you is Moses, in whom you have put your hope! For if you had believed Moses, you would believe me, for that one wrote about me. But if you do not believe that one’s writings, how will you believe my words?” John 5:45-47​
 

Hizikyah

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If you believed Moses and the prophets, you would believe Jesus. But you really don't believe any of them. You have set up your own religion that denies the reign of the spirit and grace (that Moses and the prophets spoke of), and exalts the law that you cannot keep.

Do not think that I will accuse you before the Father! The one who accuses you is Moses, in whom you have put your hope! For if you had believed Moses, you would believe me, for that one wrote about me. But if you do not believe that one’s writings, how will you believe my words?” John 5:45-47​
Luke 16:31, "But he said to him; If they will not listen to Mosheh and the Prophets, they would not be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."

Luke 16:17, "But it is easier for heaven and earth to pass, than one yodh of the Law to fail."

How well you claim Messiah while rejecting His words.

I speak accepting of the true Passover Lamb, Yahshua the Messiah AND obedience to Yahweh's Instructions.

Revelation 14:12, "In this manner are the saints purified--by keeping the Laws of
Yahweh, in conformity with the faith in Yahshua Messiah."

 
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Luke 16:31, "But he said to him; If they will not listen to Mosheh and the Prophets, they would not be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."

Luke 16:17, "But it is easier for heaven and earth to pass, than one yodh of the Law to fail."

How well you claim Messiah while rejecting His words.

I speak accepting of the true Passover Lamb, Yahshua the Messiah AND obedience to Yahweh's Instructions.

Revelation 14:12, "In this manner are the saints purified--by keeping the Laws of
Yahweh, in conformity with the faith in Yahshua Messiah."

But one did rise from the dead and His apostles preached his word and thousands were saved. When the law was given some 3,000 people died and when the gospel was preached some 3,000 souls were saved and filled with the Holy Ghost. Show me one verse where law saved a person. The law condemns the cross saves.
 

Hizikyah

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But one did rise from the dead and His apostles preached his word and thousands were saved. When the law was given some 3,000 people died and when the gospel was preached some 3,000 souls were saved and filled with the Holy Ghost. Show me one verse where law saved a person. The law condemns the cross saves.
Revelation 22:12-15, "And behold, I come quickly, and My reward is with Me, to give every man according as his work will be. I am the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End. Blessed are those who keep His Laws, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city. For outside are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and worshipers of gods and everyone who professes to love, yet practices falsehood."
 
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No man comes to father except through me. I am the truth the way and the life. Why did law require the sacrifice. Because it was a symbol of the cross. Why did Noah need a boat? God can cause people to walk on water as Peter did. It was a symbol of the cross. Why was Rahab saved by a scarlet thread? A symbol of the cross. Law provides no remedy. It only provides condemnation and reveals sin and does nothing to redeem one from it and we all have it being born of Adam. The cross is the only way and adhering to law. However, one that has their faith in the cross will adhere to law and try their best to obey it. The problem comes when our faith is placed in the keeping of law and not the cross. Because without the cross we cannot keep law. Explain, why was the cross necessary if we could keep law?
 

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You preach a false message devoid of submission to Yahweh, it is horrendous. You do your best to make the Laws of Yahweh appear as filthy.

Isayah 42:21, "Yahweh is well-pleased, for His righteousness' sake, to magnify the Law, and make it honorable"

Mattithyah 5:19, "Whosoever, therefore, will break one of the least of these Laws, and will teach men so, he will be called the least in the Kingdom of Yahweh; but whosoever will do and teach them, the same will be called great in the Kingdom of Yahweh."

Mattithyah 22:37-40, "Yahshua said to him: You must love Yahweh your Father with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your might. This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: You shall love your hneighbor as yourself. On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets."

Yahchanan 14:15, "If you love Me, keep My commandments."

Mattithyah 5:18, "For truly I say to you; Unless heaven and earth passes away, one yodh--the smallest of the letters--will in no way pass from the Law, until all things are perfected."

Luke 16:17, "But it is easier for heaven and earth to pass, than one yodh of the Law to fail."

Revelation 22:12-15, "And behold, I come quickly, and My reward is with Me, to give every man according as his work will be. I am the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End. Blessed are those who keep His Laws, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city. For outside are dogs, and sorcerers,
and whoremongers, and murderers, and worshipers of gods and everyone who professes to love, yet practices falsehood."

Yahchanan 8:31, "...If you continue in My doctrine, then you are truly My disciples."

Isayah 42:21, "Yahweh is well-pleased, for His righteousness' sake, to magnify the Law, and make it honorable"

Mattithyah 5:20-30, ""For I say to you: Unless your righteousness exceeds the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, you will certainly not enter into the Kingdom of Yahweh. You have heard that it was said by the people of ancient times: You shall not murder, and iwhoever murders will be in danger of the judgment; But I say to you: Whoever is angry with his brother will be in danger of the judgment! Again, anyone who says; Raca! insulting your brother, will be in danger of the Sanhedrin, but whoever says: Nabel! desiring them to fall away, will be in danger of the fire of Gehenna. Therefore, if you are offering your gift at the altar, and there you remember that your brother has something against you; Leave your gift there before the altar, and go first and be reconciled with your brother; then come and offer your gift. Settle a controversy with your accuser quickly, before he gets you into court; or your adversary may deliver you to the judge, the judge deliver you to the officer, and you be put into prison. Truly I say to you: You will never come out of there until you have paid the last penny. You have heard that it was said by the people of ancient times: You shall not commit adultery; But I say to you: Whoever looks on a woman with lust for her, has already committed ladultery with her in his heart. So if your right eye causes you to offend; sin, gouge it out and throw it from you! For it is better for you that one of your members perish, than for the whole body to be cast into Gehenna. Or if your right hand causes you to offend, cut it off and throw it from you! For it is better for you that one of your members perish, than for the whole body to be cast into Gehenna."

You preach half the message of the Messiah, and in reality you pervert it and make it a trampling mat. Your doctrine is the exact doctrine condemned by Yahdah (Jude), for you speak in direct oppisition to Yahweh and Yahshua but in line with garden of eden temptation, "disobey Yahweh and you will still have life":

Yahdah 1:4, "For there are certain men who have secretly crept in, who were before of old ordained for this condemnation, unholy men, who turn the undeserved pardon of our One Supreme Savior Yahweh into licentiousness, and deny Yahshua our Messiah."

The spirit that leads the Lawless is not the Spirit of Yahweh but another spirit.

Revelation 22:12-15, "And behold, I come quickly, and My reward is with Me, to give every man according as his work will be. I am the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End. Blessed are those who keep His Laws, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city. For outside are dogs, and sorcerers,
and whoremongers, and murderers, and worshipers of gods and everyone who professes to love, yet practices falsehood
."
Those are the sweetest words I've ever heard. It seems every time they sneer and poke at Yah's Words, we get to shout it out one more time. Thank you for posting and re-posting and re-posting. There blood will not be on our hands. We have sounded the alarm as watchmen on the tower.
 
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How can someone read the new testament and still hold to the law is beyond me. It is clearly shown that it is by faith and not works even in the old testament. Explain, what law did Abraham, Isaac and Jacob keep, Yet throughout the bible He is described as the God of Abraham, Issac and Jacob. But there was no law, Explain.