A question for mature Christian men

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sonofjay817

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My question is for Christian men who have been addicted to pornography and have been successfully broken the addiction. I apologize that this is not an actual Bible question but I figure this is where the more serious and mature Christians are. I hope my question is not deleted because of this. I read an article that said men generally go through a state of depression when they stop viewing the stuff. He even said men may suffer permanent changes in the brain from prolonged use. I'm wondering, do you suffer any lingering effect? Can you enumerate the stages you went through and approximately how long they lasted. If you feel you got completely back to normal, how long did it take?
 
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Topher

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Hey sonofjay,

That's a really good question you've asked. Believe it or not, almost all of the guys I've met have had the same problem, so you're not alone (if you're struggling with that addiction). For as many guys I know that are slaves to their flesh (and it's a lot), there are just as many that wrestle with their lust and hungers to stay on the straight and narrow.

Now, to start answering your questions. First, pornography and/or masturbation will not change your brain or cause you to be depressed when you stop using it. That's just crazy. You won't go blind, grow hair in crazy place, get acne, or die. People make that crap up just to scare you, and it's a bad idea. Being addiction to porn is scary enough without having all kinds of made up stuff to worry about as well. The only biological change that I, or anyone else have gone through while addicted was to become pretty depressed. It sucks to be addicted, and it sucks even worse to debase and demean yourself on a regular basis. You feel helpless, hopless, and worthless. That gets you pretty down after a while.

The worst part of all of it isn't getting depressed, it's how it messes up your relationship with women. That hunger and lust inside you will lead you to get into bad relationships with shady girls, or screw up awesome relationships with Godly girls. Porn creates/awakens this whole sexual-beast side of you, and you'll find yourself being played like a puppet. You'll look at the things you're doing to and with people, and think "Man, this sucks. This crap is terrible", but you'll keep doing it. You won't really get any satisfaction or happiness from it, but you can't stop.

I only broke out from under that harness by executing a drastic set of maneuvers with the help of the G-man and his son. First off, I gave away my awesome computer to a needy family. It's hard to look at porn with no computer. Subsequently, I moved away out an awesome apartment with a smoking hot roomate (female type), because we were dragging each other straight into the fiery maw of destruction. I then moved into a tool shed behind a freaking mobile home. This was during a South Dakota winter. It really sucked.

God was with me the whole time though, and still is. They say at Alcoholics Anonymous that one of the first things they tell you is no matter what you do, you're still an alcoholic. You've just got to work on not drinking. You'll might slip, but you've just got to pick yourself back up and keep trying every time. That's kind of the way it is with porn. You never get completely back to normal, and you never stop being addicted. You just stop watching the stuff, try to have normal relationships with women, and seek to be close to God.

In the end, I was under the yoke of a mind-twisting hunger and compulsion for probably close to 8 years. Over about five or six years I ruined two relationships with Godly women, and got involved with two shady girls. I struggle daily with staying clean, and always worry about future relationships with women. I'm far better than I ever was before, and have been blessed and carried by God for quite some time. God is good.

Did I answer your question?
 
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sonofjay817

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First of all, I'm very impressed with you and your drastic measures to break the addiction. That says a lot. I've recently put Netnanny on my computer and it seems to me that could work and not necessitate giving my computer away. I appreciate your words of support. However, you say pornography will not change your brain in your opening paragraph, but then later in your letter you say you never get back to normal and you never stop being addicted. It seems to me that this at least hints there is some change of the brain (of course there's also the spiritual component). This was the exact point this researcher was making. He said the brain chemicals can get conditioned to the powerful cocktail of endorphins that is generated and it can cause permanent changes that result in an ongoing perceived need of that stimuli, and a certain deadened response to normal, healthy sexual contact. This has put fear in my heart. Its even made me wonder if the best way God can use me at this point is to keep me single.... yet I do have a strong desire for a family.

All that being said, I certainly acknowledge I could be wrong about this, but I don't think I agree with AA's assessment that once an alcoholic, always an alcoholic and the best one can hope for is to become an alchoholic who simply doesn't drink. I feel this assessment comes as a result of good intentions and may surely be true in a secular sense, but it underestimates the transforming, renewing, and cleansing of the blood of Christ. I think its I Corinthians 6:9-12 that says, "Do not be deceived neither fornicators, nor idolaters, not adulters, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals, nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers shall inherit the kingdom of God. Such were some of you; but you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and in the Spirit of our God.

The lesson here is that one cannot remain these things and enter the kingdom of God. There wont' be drunkards in heaven and there won't be porn addicts there either and through Christ we can cease to be these things here on earth, in fact, we must. I'm sorry if I'm confusing your with my fearful paranoia one minute and my ecstatic words of hope and promise the next. This is the conflict that is going on in me. In a human sense I'm afraid I've done irreparable damage, but from a standpoint of faith, I know Christ can completely heal me, I'm just not sure if He'll allow me to suffer from some lingering effects of it in line with the principle of sowing what you reap. I know if I give myself brain damage snorting coke and then get saved, He won't necessarily heal my brain just because He's forgiven me, but I do know that He could if it was His will.

What's your thoughts on all of this?
 
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Shawn

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All that being said, I certainly acknowledge I could be wrong about this, but I don't think I agree with AA's assessment that once an alcoholic, always an alcoholic and the best one can hope for is to become an alchoholic who simply doesn't drink. I feel this assessment comes as a result of good intentions and may surely be true in a secular sense, but it underestimates the transforming, renewing, and cleansing of the blood of Christ. I think its I Corinthians 6:9-12 that says, "Do not be deceived neither fornicators, nor idolaters, not adulters, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals, nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers shall inherit the kingdom of God. Such were some of you; but you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and in the Spirit of our God.
As a former alcoholic I agree with that 100%. Not to say that some people won't continue to struggle with addictions for a long time after being saved, because they will! But I just agree that the power of Christ can set you totally free and change you in such a way that you truly will not desire the things you were once addicted to anymore.
 
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Derek

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Theres a really awesome christian book called, "When Good Men Are Tempted" by Bill Perkins. It deals with alot of those quetions and addictions on this subject. It also gives alot of good answers on getting past sexual lust. Its a very good read and I think this is a topic just about every guy struggles with.
 
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christiancanadian

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I've been addicted to porn for years. I mean literally on a daily basis. I've been doing better than before. I've been able to go for weeks without anything (but the help of Jesus), and then I'll have a relapse..Like the alcoholic example used on here. Do I think it can be overcome? Yes. Is there permanent damage? God can do all things...so of course it's possible to have no damage whatsoever and be completely healed. However, I don't think this is the case with most of us. I think we can be healed, but if we have a relapse...the difference is...YOU START OFF RIGHT WHERE YOU LEFT OFF...JUST LIKE SMOKING OR DRINKING!
 
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christiancanadian

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One thing I forgot! Please please please say a prayer for me if you wouldn't mind. Jesus knows I'm really battling with this. In fact, this is my most serious battle I've ever had with pornography. When people talk 'slave to sin', it is soooo true. I want to beat it (no pun intended)! So please say a prayer for me if you don't mind so that I can overcome this. I know what it means to overcome addictions. I was addicted to gambling...I overcame that years ago. I had the beginnings of OCD behaviour...I overcame that. I smoked cigarettes...I overcame that. These were all serious problems. But the worst one I've ever had and have not had victory...yet is porn. It's a drug. It is a full fledged addiction. I've been gaining some ground..but...thanks for your prayers in advance. God bless you!
 
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Derek

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Christiancanadian, When you are in Jesus, the bible says you have died to sin and it no longer reigns over you. You do have the help of the Lord and with the Lord anything is possible. I hate hearing the promblem your facing and think a good study of the book of Romans could help you. Gods word has power. Ill pray for you and please, ask Jesus for strength.
 
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Derek

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The word says, if your eyes cause you to sin, gouge them out, if your hand causes you to sin, cut it off. Dont do that but if you have porn on tapes, throw them out. If you get it from your PC, get rid of that. Going without a computer is better than sinning and disobeying God.
 
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Baptistrw

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There are some good books on this topic, Every Mans Battle and Every Young Mans Battle. You may find some helpful advice in either or both. Keeping your eyes off things that are visually stimulating will help. You are flesh and spirit, the one you feed the most will win out ultimately. If you have a problem with the internet, getting a site blocker would help and I can recommend a free one if you want, and if it's a problem in any other way, having accountability will work. If you struggle with flashbacks or whatever, just confess it as sin and don't let it play in your mind. Start thinking of Jesus being crucified for your sin or something along those lines.
 
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christiancanadian

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Christiancanadian, When you are in Jesus, the bible says you have died to sin and it no longer reigns over you. You do have the help of the Lord and with the Lord anything is possible. I hate hearing the promblem your facing and think a good study of the book of Romans could help you. Gods word has power. Ill pray for you and please, ask Jesus for strength.

Thanks. I appreciate the prayer. I know I'm not alone with this battle, many Christians are having problems with it. I know Jesus will give me the stength to overcome it. It just doesn't seem to happen like the "flick of a switch". God Bless.
 
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well ill tell ya this much as a man & addiction,,,u can fight being one & both @ the same time ,,cuz it seems that the only response u get is from men
..that being said fi that is a pic of u then good for u ,,u r cute,,,,but the natural fact of any cenario is that it all comes down to u & the way u were raised & the natural way u feel about things...& presonally how u feel religously i feel dont make a diff.

addiction is a mental thing & it has been proven just ask william h macey..think that s how u spell his name...its the diff of knowing right from wrong & how u act....compulsion ...as they say..i guarentee theres been times u know u shouldnt & u did..& always felt sorry for it...but as long as noone knew it didnt feel that bad...from steelin a 2cent piece of gum to almost walkin back to return it...it doesnt matter cuz ur mind was already made up b4 u even got there...
 
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sonofjay817

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ChristianCanadian, I will make it a special point to pray for you. Sometimes we say that and it becomes such a cliche. "I'll pray for you brother" and then sometimes we don't even remember to do it; I've even said that before and it hit me later that I never even really intended to do it; it was just words. I've really realized that prayerconnects us with the most powerful force in the universe; God Himself, and it is VERY powerful. When your willpower is completely broken down and you're typing in the URL of 'that' website, prayer may be the reason you have a sudden indignation for what you're about to do and suddenly have the power to shut the computer off (I've had that happen). Of course we know the power behind that prayer is Jesus Christ.

Christian Canadian, I'm becoming more aware as time goes on that we are certainly not alone. I think Christian men that DON"T struggle with this are the minority if they make much use of the internet. I read a statistic that something like 50% of PASTORS have an ongoing struggle with this. I don't say this to make it seem less serious. On the contrary, its just as heinous as ever. I tell you in this age, I believe this may be the one most powerful weapon Satan is using to make us almost if not totally impotent as Christian men and leaders of the home that we're called to be. Satan is getting us at the 'grassroots' level and that carries over and affects all areas of our lives. How many people are there who we could've witnessed to, but didn't because we didn't feel worthy or didn't feel like the Holy Spirit would aid us in such a tainted state? How many christian marriages have been damaged or destroyed from this?

Having personally experienced the way this thing rots one's soul, it really scares me to know that it has spread in such a vicious way. We must all pray for one another. Let us draw strength in knowing we're in a spiritual battle and we're in it together. In our weakest moment when our desire is at a fever pitch and we have this assumption devils are putting in our head that we have to fulfill that desire, say "wait a second! My desire is completely irrelevant. Its all about Christ." I think Satan convinces us that once desire reaches a certain point, we are helpless and must fulfill it; that we are still slaves to it. We must remember this is a lie. Tell the devil he's a liar, and you're no longer a slave. The devil's lies manifest themselves in us as feelings and notions and it helps that we recognize that. I've tried so many psychological tricks to overcome this and they all end up failing. At the end of the day our battle is fought on two fronts, resisting the enemy and running to Christ. This is how the battle will be won. He fights for us. If we do the fighting, we WILL lose.
 
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godzman

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I truly believe that pornography is something that can be beaten, many times i have woken up in the middle of the night with a craving for it but through prayer it can be beaten. Once you are free you must continue to pray to stay free
Galations 5 states: Stand fast therefore in the liberty by which Christ has made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of Bondage.
[I underline the word again because i once struggled with it for years and got free, but fell back into it again because of the type of people i kept around me. But in the end though it was much harder i was set free again glory be to God.
Verse 16 says: Walk in the spirit and you shall not fulfill the lust of the flesh.
You are not alone it can and will be broken through prayer, i will be praying that you be set free from this stronghold. I am a firm believer that the affectual fervrent prayer of the righteous availth much.
Be blessed man of God.
 
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lovespeace123

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Two verses about what may happen:

1 Corinthians 7:1 - Now for the matters you wrote about: It is good for a man not to marry.[a] 2But since there is so much immorality, each man should have his own wife, and each woman her own husband.

The culture may become inflamed with lust and lust may then creep into your daily business and into your churches. If you react naturally and godly-ly, you may sense a strong need to get married and to house sex in a godly 'house'.

1 Corinthians 7:9 - But if they cannot control themselves, they should marry, for it is better to marry than to burn with passion. <--lack of self-control (masturbation/porn/lust, etc.)

You may become overwhelmed by personal lust and burn with passions. Maybe you are in the mainstream too much or attract desire (good looking woman/man/incredibly godly - such as an articulate, single preacher). Here again, if you react naturally, you will seek a spouse. We will not debate the dynamics of that search, but it is reasonable to seek.

Lust has to be put in perspective. Some lusts are NATURAL, though you do well to flee from sexual immorality. If you have an issue with lust and you still order SI swimsuit catalogs and go to clubs, then you err! However, even being spiritually minded, it is not so easy to escape natural attraction. The new weapon of the devil is innuendo in everything people do, and it is effective if you are not wise.

Sam
 
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JDHills

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This is a really difficult one. For me it starts with seeing a good looking girl and being like " wow, shes beautiful". And then ill be like : "No... seriously....shes fine." shortly after ill be like : " I would like to __ ___ ___ ". Then ill go home and be thinking about how fine she was and look at my computer and think about typing in something I shouldnt. Instead ill flip on the christian t.v. or radio station and 9/10 times its something really encouraging and I realize that satan doesn't own me. And every time I let my will power break down I know Im giving him a victory and the lord kinda shakes his head. When I backslide and make a mistake, its after a lond period of "holding out" when i feel like I cant take it anymore and I need to release tension. Immedietly I regret it and I can feel the spirit leaving me because god hates sin and he cant be around it. Its only when I repent and fall to my knees that the lord replenishes my joy, wisdom and understanding. Thats the beauty of christ. We already have the victory through him. So when we give satan these insignificant victories, he feels like hes won. All we really do is dissapoint the lord. Take pride everytime you deny satans temptation and you will see how the lord starts working in your life again. So try what I mentioned about switching the media. You can flip to CBN just as fast as you can type in that URl. Choose the victory.
 
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Baptistrw

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This is a really difficult one. For me it starts with seeing a good looking girl and being like " wow, shes beautiful". And then ill be like : "No... seriously....shes fine." shortly after ill be like : " I would like to __ ___ ___ ". Then ill go home and be thinking about how fine she was and look at my computer and think about typing in something I shouldnt. Instead ill flip on the christian t.v. or radio station and 9/10 times its something really encouraging and I realize that satan doesn't own me. And every time I let my will power break down I know Im giving him a victory and the lord kinda shakes his head. When I backslide and make a mistake, its after a lond period of "holding out" when i feel like I cant take it anymore and I need to release tension. Immedietly I regret it and I can feel the spirit leaving me because god hates sin and he cant be around it. Its only when I repent and fall to my knees that the lord replenishes my joy, wisdom and understanding. Thats the beauty of christ. We already have the victory through him. So when we give satan these insignificant victories, he feels like hes won. All we really do is dissapoint the lord. Take pride everytime you deny satans temptation and you will see how the lord starts working in your life again. So try what I mentioned about switching the media. You can flip to CBN just as fast as you can type in that URl. Choose the victory.
Amen, good stuff!
 
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EconGrad

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I'd suggest you guys check out this website:

http://www.lightedcandle.org/r/

A friend of mine works for this group that studies the effects of pornography and fights against the pornography industry.

Pornography drastically alters the male brain in destructive ways. A good rule of thumb is that your brain doesn't break out of these patterns unless you replace the unhealthy desires with healthy ones.

It is not enough to resist temptation. To overcome this habit you need to focus those desires elsewhere.
 
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lovespeace123

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If you break out into lust fits, you need to get married. Clean yourself up and go to some singles events and college cells. If you want to approach sex the purest way, marriage is the option.

I personally struggle with women and marriage; there are a lot of lies about it. It is actually harder than single life. Married people know it, but the seed of lust is a powerful one. Sadly and somewhat naturally, some women build spiritual houses and dreams on courtship and in finding the perfect spouse. They shouldn't, but they are the women the Lord has allotted for us to marry. Life is not the doldrums, but it actually increases in terms of (trouble) after marriage as scripturally recorded.

Paul realized the truth though. He realized that lust is powerful and that it was better to get married than to burn with lust. Paul added that sometimes a culture or city becomes inflamed with lust and because of so, you might be engulfed in lust. He said in a situation like that...be married.

So after realizing the problem, I wish you good luck on finding a spouse. Men used to buy women from their dads with cattle, in the New Testament times, men made a pledge to a virgin (i think they chose) and married that virgin. Today, you have to work the field, pray, have wisdom, and be pure within being surreptitious to find your perfect mate.

Then good luck, because women have a lot of things in the culture talking to them, and those voices are telling them to be everything other than fully submitted to their husbands.

That is a man's side. Get to know a woman and you will hear her full side and you will say 'wow'. At the end, you see a breakdown in the marriage relationship, one that is sad. I personally and often regrettably think the women are more to blame than the men. The wife is the glory of the husband as the church is the glory of Christ and if patterns hold constant, Christ chose his wife as a man should chose his bride. Christ died for his bride and requires submission from her as a man should love and lay down his wife for his bride and require submission from her.

The more you look at it, the more you see trouble. Both sides know what each other should be doing and know what the perfect 'other' should be, but the men get it because woman though not independent of man and bringing forth sons, WERE CREATED FOR MAN!

Sam
 
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