Paul was not qualified to be an apostle

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Paul was qualified to be an Apostle, because God PREDESTINED Paul to be one. Eve nbefore the earth was made, God knew Paul would be His apostle to the Gentiles.

The ONLY "thing" that qualifies ANY person is the Holy Spirit of God. ALL the Apostles had only ONE SPIRIT IN THEM.... ONE SPIRIT. And they were ALL in ONE Body. IN GOD!

If a person has not the Holy Spirit of God in him, HE IS NONE OF GOD! Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.

Did Paul have the Spirit of Christ? Do you have the Spirit of Christ.... God says ....And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them.

Every person that has the Spirit of God in them DOES WHAT GOD WANTS HIM TO DO... AND SO DID PAUL!!! Is that not he NEW MAN? The NEW MAN is GOD LIVING A LIFE IN US!!!!!That life is EXACTLY WHAT GOD WANTS IT TO BE...Read the RED and believe it...
 
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Was Judas predestined or did he make a choice?
 
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cfultz3 said:
Where these verse overlooked in reading Scripture as concerning Paul being an apostle? There are nine (9) verses which say he was an apostle.....

Rom 1:1 Paul, a servant of Jesus Christ, called to be an apostle, separated unto the gospel of God,

1Co 1:1 Paul, called to be an apostle of Jesus Christ through the will of God, and Sosthenes our brother,

2Co 1:1 Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the will of God, and Timothy our brother, unto the church of God which is at Corinth, with all the saints which are in all Achaia:

Gal 1:1 Paul, an apostle, (not of men, neither by man, but by Jesus Christ, and God the Father, who raised him from the dead; )

Eph 1:1 Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the will of God, to the saints which are at Ephesus, and to the faithful in Christ Jesus:

Col 1:1 Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the will of God, and Timotheus our brother,

1Ti 1:1 Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the commandment of God our Saviour, and Lord Jesus Christ, which is our hope;

2Ti 1:1 Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the will of God, according to the promise of life which is in Christ Jesus,

Tit 1:1 Paul, a servant of God, and an apostle of Jesus Christ, according to the faith of God's elect, and the acknowledging of the truth which is after godliness;
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Ah, I just want to point out that what you have here are all quotes by Paul saying that Paul is an apostle. Paul also calls other people Apostle also. He kind of throws that idea around loosely. Nobody else calls Paul an apostle.

There were 12 apostles, and Judas was one of them. To my definition of apostle, it was just those 12. But everyone runs around calling themselves elder, deacon, apostle. So, in that sense, anyone is an apostle.
 
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Kerry said:
Was Judas predestined or did he make a choice?
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20“For it is written in the book of Psalms,
‘LET HIS HOMESTEAD BE MADE DESOLATE,
AND LET NO ONE DWELL IN IT’;
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‘LET ANOTHER MAN TAKE HIS OFFICE.’
 
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Okay was Satan predestined or did he make a choice?
 
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Was I predestined? What unrighteous God would say I will save this one and not that one. I don;t know what bible yall read but mine says whosoever will. Paul willed and so do I.
 
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Tintin said:
Wrong. The Lord does care about the flesh, otherwise why would he come to earth as God/man? Also, we're not just floating spirits in the New Heaven and New Earth, we'll have new, sinless bodies. Anything else isn't biblical but more akin to Eastern Mysticism.
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I guess this is basic christianity. Utter confusion.

John 6:63

Jesus stating in the flesh that it profits NOTHING.

1 Corinthians 15:5

This states that NO FLESH AND BLOOD SHALL ENTER THE KINGDOM OF GOD. Neither does corruption inherit incorruption.

And you got 2 likes for this.
 
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oldhermit said:
We are not told, but just because something may be predestined does not do away with choice.
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We are told. God made the destroyer to destroy. Thus satan was a murderer from the beginning, as God has purposed.
 
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oldhermit said:
We are not told, but just because something may be predestined does not do away with choice.
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Then why would God lie and say whosoever will. If we are predestined, we have no choice. God has already decided who goes to heaven and who goes to hell. Why did He place the tree of knowledge in the garden knowing that they would eat it. He could have stopped it. Yet He allowed Adam to make a choice.
 
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Kerry said:
Then why would God lie and say whosoever will. If we are predestined, we have no choice. God has already decided who goes to heaven and who goes to hell. Why did He place the tree of knowledge in the garden knowing that they would eat it. He could have stopped it. Yet He allowed Adam to make a choice.
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To subject all to vanity for the purpose of saving all whom He loved and declared to be VERY GOOD in Genesis.
 
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I am sure that the humble APOSTLE Paul is the first to confess, "I am not worthy of the less of Gods favors; but I am what I am by the GRACE of GOD. And DON'T any one try to say anything bad about God's work in my life, Because it is GOD who does the Work, not me ,but what I do ,I do, and I do it by the power of God in me, GOD gets all the glory, but ,if those I work with, done start giving me a little credit, they are about to lose me, for good!" I think any suffering servant of God would say this . I have left all to follow God's leading to the Philippines ,and I love my work here, But some don't like my work, and they may lose me forever, soon. contradicting trues, should be seen as the whole truth. WE must smell the roses or we may lose them! Love and peace to men of good will. Hoffco
 
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Kerry said:
Then why would God lie and say whosoever will. If we are predestined, we have no choice. God has already decided who goes to heaven and who goes to hell. Why did He place the tree of knowledge in the garden knowing that they would eat it. He could have stopped it. Yet He allowed Adam to make a choice.
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This is getting off the OP. I really not sure you are understanding the idea of predestined correctly. Perhaps we can take a look at this together some time.
 
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When you don't like one side of the truth turn the diamond a little and view the other sides of the truth; soon, you will love the WHOLE truth. Hoffco
 
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In addition to my posts on the topic, also responding to some comments;

God established qualifications AND criteria for apostleship in Scripture, I did provide an area of a couple verses in Acts 1 earlier. Here are a couple more, pls use kjv so we are sharing in the same words,;

Matthew 19:27 they have forsaken all,

Luke 22:28 they that have continued w/Christ & have been appointed a kingdom,

John 15:27 they have been w/Him from the beginning,
being identified from the time of John's ministry & call to repent & be water baptized.

The Messianic ministry in Acts does not deviate in any form from the instruction of Matt-John, this includes the replacement of Judas of the 12 apostles. The 12 apostles have a calling, position & vocation.

Paul "called to be an apostle", God is separating him to something, the great change in Scripture.
 
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Tintin said:
Wrong. The Lord does care about the flesh, otherwise why would he come to earth as God/man? Also, we're not just floating spirits in the New Heaven and New Earth, we'll have new, sinless bodies. Anything else isn't biblical but more akin to Eastern Mysticism.
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Really, we must be reading different stuff:
Romans 7:18

[SUP]18 [/SUP]For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find notRom 8:8
Rom 8:9
Romans 8:9

[SUP]9 [/SUP]But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.

Romans 8:13

[SUP]13 [/SUP]For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.
1 Corinthians 1:29
[SUP]29 [/SUP]That no flesh should glory in his presence.
Galatians 3:3
Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh?

Galatians 4:23
But he who was of the bondwoman was born after the flesh; but he of the freewoman was by promise.
Galatians 5:16
[SUP]16 [/SUP]This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.

Philippians 3:3

[SUP]3 [/SUP]For we are the circumcision, which worship God in the spirit, and rejoice in Christ Jesus, and have no confidence in the flesh.

Well there was more I just didn't have time.
 
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Hello,

// I am sure that the humble APOSTLE Paul is the first to confess, "I am not worthy of the less of Gods favors; but I am what I am by the GRACE of GOD//

Paul is not using self depreciating language here as some form of humility. There is a word, "meet" it has to do with measuring up, it has to do with qualification. Paul is meet to be a partaker in something, the free gift.

There is a term, "faith of Christ", the righteousness of God which is by the faith of Christ, we have access to grace by the faith of Him, this is what eternal love between the Father & the Son is revealing from "faith to faith" grace, being justified "freely by His grace".

For by grace are ye saved, through faith*and that *not of yourselves, it is the gift of God. Paul was First to stand in the gospel truth for today, the gospel of our salvation. He is to be as a pattern, Phil 3:9, 1 Tim 1:16 kjv.
 
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Wow, lol, last post tonight, I promise!

Christ was the one predestinated. God was in Christ reconciling the world unto Himself. God is good.
 
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Was Paul hand picked by Jesus to become an apostle?
Did the holy spirit give Paul and the other apostles permission to peach to the masses about God through the tongues of fire?

Isn't using the bible to try and derail Jesus's choice, an odd move?

Or maybe this is just one of the bible's many contradictions: Jesus, the son of God, picked Paul to become an apostle, yet Paul wasn't qualified to become an apostle?
I get it, lets all stop worshiping Jesus Christ! The son of God doesn't even know how to pick qualified people to peach and teach in his name!

Ladies and gentleman: Tender blessings!




 
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