Neat discovery about 12,000

[dcontroversal]

What's so special about 12,000 and why is it the key measurement of Heaven?

Rev 21:16 And the city lieth foursquare, and the length is as large as the breadth: and he measured the city with the reed, twelve thousand furlongs. The length and the breadth and the height of it are equal.

In Revelation ch 7, why are the 144,000 split into divisions of 12,000?

Lets see if we can answer those questions.

First lets start with something interesting I found.

Three days and three nights equals 4,320 minutes.
That's 72 hours times 60 minutes per hour equaling 4,320 minutes.

3 days and 3 nights was the great prophecy that Jesus gave us about His death and resurrection.
Mat_12:40 For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.

Now whats interesting is if you divide 144,000 by 4,320 you get 33.333333333333..... on you calculator
33.333333333..... is an interesting number. We know Jesus was 33 years old when He was crucified, but could this be His exact age of 33.333333333... years? Could there be more to this interesting equation?

It is well established that a prophetic years is 360 days. Lets multiply 33.333333333... years by 360 days per year to find out how many total days are in 33.333333333... years

33.333333333... X 360= 12,000 days!

The 144,000 is a choir, it is arranged into groups of 12,000 to harmonically resonate a song about Christ and His perfect life here on earth.
Rev 14:1 And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Sion, and with him an hundred forty and four thousand, having his Father's name written in their foreheads.
2 And I heard a voice from heaven, as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of a great thunder: and I heard the voice of harpers harping with their harps:
3 And they sung as it were a new song before the throne, and before the four beasts, and the elders: and no man could learn that song but the hundred and forty and four thousand, which were redeemed from the earth.


This is also why Heaven is 12,000 furlongs, His perfect life is what gets you in.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rMcoRb34laA

I like math as math can be a universal language and without a doubt the master mathematician "God" used math in the casting down of creation. I like what you said and I only have two questions about the song itself. If no man can learn that song and we have not heard that song, then how can we know what the song is about? Concerning the song also, how does the math tells us what the song is about? Not being confrontational as I am really asking as I worked 10 grade algebra in third grade and am a retired machinist by trade, and as a machinist by trade we had to use math a lot.

 

[miktre]

I like math as math can be a universal language and without a doubt the master mathematician "God" used math in the casting down of creation. I like what you said and I only have two questions about the song itself. If no man can learn that song and we have not heard that song, then how can we know what the song is about? Concerning the song also, how does the math tells us what the song is about? Not being confrontational as I am really asking as I worked 10 grade algebra in third grade and am a retired machinist by trade, and as a machinist by trade we had to use math a lot.

Thank you for your reply sir, I'll do my best to answer. I like your background in math and machining, as I have a somewhat a similar one.
I believe one can come to the logical conclusion on the theme before you even insert the math equations.

These 144,000 were redeemed through the perfect and sinless life of Christ:

Rev 14:3 And they sung as it were a new song before the throne, and before the four beasts, and the elders: and no man could learn that song but the hundred and forty and four thousand, which were redeemed from the earth.

Rev 14:4 These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, being the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb.

You could even call it the song of redemption. There is no greater subject matter ever spoken of, no greater victory ever won, no greater reward received, than that of eternal life in our Father's kingdom through our Lord Christ's blood. I believe it's safe to say this is the Major theme of the song. The redeemed glorifying the Redeemer. I'm not claiming I've learned the song neither can I sing it, but as far as subject matter is concerned, I am confident.
Thoughts?

 

[lydever91]

Thank you for your reply sir, I'll do my best to answer. I like your background in math and machining, as I have a somewhat a similar one.
I believe one can come to the logical conclusion on the theme before you even insert the math equations.

These 144,000 were redeemed through the perfect and sinless life of Christ:

Rev 14:3 And they sung as it were a new song before the throne, and before the four beasts, and the elders: and no man could learn that song but the hundred and forty and four thousand, which were redeemed from the earth.

Rev 14:4 These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, being the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb.

You could even call it the song of redemption. There is no greater subject matter ever spoken of, no greater victory ever won, no greater reward received, than that of eternal life in our Father's kingdom through our Lord Christ's blood. I believe it's safe to say this is the Major theme of the song. The redeemed glorifying the Redeemer. I'm not claiming I've learned the song neither can I sing it, but as far as subject matter is concerned, I am confident.
Thoughts?

If you think about it, it's not only the key subject matter of the song, but of the Bible also.

 

[VCO]

. . .
These 144,000 were redeemed through the perfect and sinless life of Christ:

Rev 14:3 And they sung as it were a new song before the throne, and before the four beasts, and the elders: and no man could learn that song but the hundred and forty and four thousand, which were redeemed from the earth.

Rev 14:4 These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, being the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb.

. . .

You do not even understand the Festival of Firstfruits and what it symbolized do you? I suggest you watch Zola Levitt's video on that.

 

[fasalkhan]

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[VCO]

hi ppl i m new here...i m from india..i m muslim...i would like to make sum gud frnds here

You do know we are all Christians here, and most of us whole-heartedly believe in the Holy Trinity, which means that we believe the ONLY GOD that exists is made up of three personages, the Father the Son and the Holy Spirit, YET there is ONLY ONE GOD and the THREE ARE ONE GOD. Most of us also believe the BIBLE is entirely the Word of GOD, and as such it is the ultimate and final authority. There is a Forum on this site that most of those posting there are Christians from India. It is called Indian Christian Forum: http://christianchat.com/indian-christian-forum/ If you are seeking to understand what we Christians Believe and why we believe what we believe, you will be welcomed. If you are seeking to present Muslim beliefs or put down Christian Beliefs, that is against the Forum Rules, and they actively ban those who do not go by the rules.

 

[miktre]

hi ppl i m new here...i m from india..i m muslim...i would like to make sum gud frnds here

Welcome to Christian chat Fasalkhan! let me know if I can answer any questions.
Have you ever heard of or have you seen this video before? What is your opinion of it?
[video=youtube;dM4ftlzLJiw]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dM4ftlzLJiw[/video]

 

[VCO]

Welcome to Christian chat Fasalkhan! let me know if I can answer any questions.
Have you ever heard of or have you seen this video before? What is your opinion of it?

VERY GOOD Video. I wish that mormon add would not pop up like that on YouTube. The Deceivers (wolves in sheep's clothing) seem to be much more active in these last days.

 

[dcontroversal]

Thank you for your reply sir, I'll do my best to answer. I like your background in math and machining, as I have a somewhat a similar one.
I believe one can come to the logical conclusion on the theme before you even insert the math equations.

These 144,000 were redeemed through the perfect and sinless life of Christ:

Rev 14:3 And they sung as it were a new song before the throne, and before the four beasts, and the elders: and no man could learn that song but the hundred and forty and four thousand, which were redeemed from the earth.

Rev 14:4 These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, being the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb.

You could even call it the song of redemption. There is no greater subject matter ever spoken of, no greater victory ever won, no greater reward received, than that of eternal life in our Father's kingdom through our Lord Christ's blood. I believe it's safe to say this is the Major theme of the song. The redeemed glorifying the Redeemer. I'm not claiming I've learned the song neither can I sing it, but as far as subject matter is concerned, I am confident.
Thoughts?

Well I like some of what you have to say and only a few points contradict my view, but over all what we believe could overlap and compliment what we teach. Below is my thoughts concerning the 144,000. Any thoughts you might have are appreciated as Iron sharpenth iron and it seems we can both glean a little from each other on this subject.

I, like everyone else has probably heard all of the "truths" that have been applied to the 144,000 in the book of Revelation and without a doubt this number has been applied to numerous "religious groups" through out the ages. I will say though, that a careful study of all the facts that are applied unto them as well as a few verses from Genesis, Matthew and the book of Ephesians will reveal a group of people that can actually fit the 144,000 as found in Revelation.

Revelation 7:1-8 reveals the "sealing" of the 144,000 and what amazes me is that there is one major fact that is often over looked when this is taught behind the pulpits and that is
1. Who is doing the sealing
2. What the one sealing has done before he seals the 144,000
My bible teaches me that that the sealing of a born again child of God is done by the HOLY SPIRIT of promise as found in the book of Ephesians in 1:13 and 4:30 not by an angel of the Lord.

Note that the angel of the Lord who will seal the 144,000 is ASCENDING FROM THE EAST WHILE TELLING the 4 ANGELS WHO STAND UPON THE EARTH NOT TO HURT THE EARTH nor sea until the 144,000 have been sealed.
The word "ascend" is the same word applied to Jesus, David, the two witnesses, and used to describe their ASCENT INTO HEAVEN.

Revelation 14:1-5 lists the facts about the 144,000 and are as follows.
1. They are standing on Mount ZION when the LAMB is standing on mount ZION
2. They have their FATHER'S name written upon their foreheads which is indicative of the above sealing
3. The 144,000, accompanied by heavenly music sing a new song that no man can know or sing BEFORE THE THRONE, THE FOUR "CREATURES", and Before the ELDERS who by the way are all IN HEAVEN.
4. They have been "redeemed' from the earth. I.E. Had been dead
5. They have not BEEN DEFILED WITH WOMEN. I.E. They are virgins
6. THEY FOLLOW THE LAMB WHERE EVER HE goes. I.E. The Lambs train
7. They were REDEEMED FROM AMONG MEN. I.E. They had lived at one time
8. They are called THE FIRSTFRUITS "plural" unto GOD and the LAMB, which is same word applied unto JESUS
9. There was NO DECIET OR GUILE found in their mouths. I.E. Never lied, nor any deceitful statement out of their
mouths.
10. They are WITHOUT FAULT BEFORE THE THRONE

So, here we have a group of boys, who are virgins, never spoke a lie or anything deceitful, the only two physical locations mentioned are before the throne and on Mount Zion when the LAMB is on mount Zion, they follow the Lamb where ever He goes, they have been alive and dead "redeemed from among men and the earth, they are the FIRSTFRUITS unto GOD, they are without fault and learn a song no man can learn but them which means they are a unique group.

Genesis 29:18, 30 teach that Jacob loved Rachel more than Leah
Genesis 46:19 attributes all the children of Jacob unto Rachel?
Matthew 2:16-18 Teaches about Herod's attempt to kill Jesus by killing all boys under 2

I believe the 144,000 Jewish boys listed in Revelation are the first "Christian" martyrs in the particular place of Jesus and represent the offering of Jesus as the first fruits unto the God of heaven. Jesus offered his atoning sacrifice and then offered the wave offering of the first fruit of the harvest . Talk about a perfect offering unto God...a 144,000 unblemished Jewish males that were murdered in the place of Jesus.

For those who read things in, I am not saying that men, women and boys were not martyred in the O.T. for the cause as there were many, but I am saying these listed above would have been the first killed in the place of and for Jesus.

Just a few points to ponder mi amigos

 

[Stephen63]

Numerology is any study of the purported divine, mystical or other special relationship between a number and some coinciding observed (or perceived) events. It has many systems andtraditions and beliefs. Numerology and numerological divination by systems such as isopsephy were popular among early mathematicians, such as Pythagoras, but are no longer considered part of mathematics and are regarded as pseudomathematics or pseudoscience by modern scientists.[SUP][1][/SUP][SUP][2][/SUP][SUP][3][/SUP]
Today, numerology is often associated with the paranormal, alongside astrology and similar divinatory arts.[SUP][4][/SUP]
Despite the long history of numerological ideas, the word "numerology" is not recorded in English before c.1907.[SUP][5][/SUP]
The term numerologist is also used derogatorily for those perceived to place excess faith in numerical patterns (and draw scientifically unsound inferences from them), even if those people do not practice traditional numerology. For example, in his 1997 book Numerology: Or What Pythagoras Wrought, mathematician Underwood Dudley uses the term to discuss practitioners of theElliott wave principle of stock market analysis.
Some remarks on the purported or commonly perceived numerological significance of specific numbers may be found at their respective articles, as at 77

It's a shame that we have the scriptures to believe, & someone wants to depend on numerology in addition to scripture.

Revelation 22:18-19 (KJV) [SUP]18 [/SUP]For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book: [SUP]19 [/SUP]And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.

 

[Stephen63]

I looked this up on Google. It was easy to find. Leaves no excuses for error.

https://www.google.com/search?q=num..._sm=93&espv=210&q=Is+numerology+of+the+devil?

 

[KJV1611]

I understand these 2 verse and many others by understanding how God uses the number ten in the bible. Does this mean I'm evil lol.

Mat_25:1 Then shall the kingdom of heaven be likened unto ten virgins, which took their lamps, and went forth to meet the bridegroom.

1Sa_1:8 Then said Elkanah her husband to her, Hannah, why weepest thou? and why eatest thou not? and why is thy heart grieved? am not I better to thee than ten sons?

 

[miktre]

Lets go over the list of facts and some of the statements you provided and see how it compliments or contradicts the major theme being that of redemption. I'll comment in red.

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Revelation 14:1-5 lists the facts about the 144,000 and are as follows.
1. They are standing on Mount ZION when the LAMB is standing on mount ZION
Complimentary: but I don't think the major theme would be "we are standing on Mt. ZION"

2. They have their FATHER'S name written upon their foreheads which is indicative of the above sealing
Complimentary: You don't have the Father without being redeemed through the Son.

3. The 144,000, accompanied by heavenly music sing a new song that no man can know or sing BEFORE THE THRONE, THE FOUR "CREATURES", and Before the ELDERS who by the way are all IN HEAVEN.
Complimentary: same as above

4. They have been "redeemed' from the earth. I.E. Had been dead
Complimentary I.E. Redeemed through the blood of Christ would be a better description. He is the redeemer from sin.
Tit 2:13 Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ;
Tit 2:14 Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works.

5. They have not BEEN DEFILED WITH WOMEN. I.E. They are virgins
Complimentary: However it seems you are indicating that they are physical virgins when this is clearly a spiritual teaching taught over and over about the spiritual wedding of Christ and His bride i.e. those who are not in bed with the false messiah during the tribulation when our true Lord arrives. One example:
Rev 2:20 Notwithstanding I have a few things against thee, because thou sufferest that woman Jezebel, which calleth herself a prophetess, to teach and to seduce my servants to commit fornication, and to eat things sacrificed unto idols.
Rev 2:21 And I gave her space to repent of her fornication; and she repented not.
Rev 2:22 Behold, I will cast her into a bed, and them that commit adultery with her into great tribulation, except they repent of their deeds.
6. THEY FOLLOW THE LAMB WHERE EVER HE goes. I.E. The Lambs train
Complimentary
7. They were REDEEMED FROM AMONG MEN. I.E. They had lived at one time
Obviously complimentary: Redeemed through the blood of Christ reiterated for emphasis
8. They are called THE FIRSTFRUITS "plural" unto GOD and the LAMB, which is same word applied unto JESUS
Complimentary: the last shall be first
9. There was NO DECIET OR GUILE found in their mouths. I.E. Never lied, nor any deceitful statement out of their
mouths.
Complimentary. However it it doesn't imply they have never lied. Washed clean with the blood of Christ can give one this very same result.
Rev_1:5 And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood,

10. They are WITHOUT FAULT BEFORE THE THRONE
Same as above

So, here we have a group of boys, who are virgins, never spoke a lie or anything deceitful, the only two physical locations mentioned are before the throne and on Mount Zion when the LAMB is on mount Zion, they follow the Lamb where ever He goes, they have been alive and dead "redeemed from among men and the earth, they are the FIRSTFRUITS unto GOD, they are without fault and learn a song no man can learn but them which means they are a unique group.

Genesis 29:18, 30 teach that Jacob loved Rachel more than Leah Not sure where you are going here but Christ came through Leah
Genesis 46:19 attributes all the children of Jacob unto Rachel?
Matthew 2:16-18 Teaches about Herod's attempt to kill Jesus by killing all boys under 2

I believe the 144,000 Jewish boys listed in Revelation are the first "Christian" martyrs in the particular place of Jesus and represent the offering of Jesus as the first fruits unto the God of heaven. Jesus offered his atoning sacrifice and then offered the wave offering of the first fruit of the harvest . Talk about a perfect offering unto God...a 144,000 unblemished Jewish males that were murdered in the place of Jesus.
I disagree or am misunderstanding you here. There is only one perfect sacrifice and that was Christ.Though He was murdered, Christ offered up His Life willing as a perfect sacrifice. Those babies were not willingly offered up unto God. God always rejected unwilling sacrifices in the O.T.

Thank you for your input and I suppose we will agree to disagree on some points.
Nice meeting you

 

[miktre]

It's a shame that we have the scriptures to believe, & someone wants to depend on numerology in addition to scripture.

You might as well say it's a shame God put numbers in the Bible. No one is saying to depend on numbers but it is amazingly beautiful the way they compliment the scriptures.

 

[VCO]

You might as well say it's a shame God put numbers in the Bible. No one is saying to depend on numbers but it is amazingly beautiful the way they compliment the scriptures.

Actually it is shocking how easily Satan can use numbers to get some sidetracked from studying the Word to chase after made up hidden meanings in the Numbers.

 

[miktre]

Actually it is shocking how easily Satan can use numbers to get some sidetracked from studying the Word to chase after made up hidden meanings in the Numbers.

It can be part of studying the Word also, God put the numbers in there not me. You warn about numbers but the Bible doesn't it does the opposite.

Psalms 111:2 The works of the LORD are great, sought out of all them that have pleasure therein.

 

[VCO]

It can be part of studying the Word also, God put the numbers in there not me. You warn about numbers but the Bible doesn't it does the opposite.

Psalms 111:2 The works of the LORD are great, sought out of all them that have pleasure therein.

1 Thessalonians 5:22 (KJV)
[SUP]22 [/SUP] Abstain from all appearance of evil.

Numerology is an cult practice associated with astrology: Free Numerology Readings - Astrology.com

Isaiah 47:10-14 (ASV)
[SUP]10 [/SUP] For thou hast trusted in thy wickedness; thou hast said, None seeth me; thy wisdom and thy knowledge, it hath perverted thee, and thou hast said in thy heart, I am, and there is none else besides me.
[SUP]11 [/SUP] Therefore shall evil come upon thee; thou shalt not know the dawning thereof: and mischief shall fall upon thee; thou shalt not be able to put it away: and desolation shall come upon thee suddenly, which thou knowest not.
[SUP]12 [/SUP] Stand now with thine enchantments, and with the multitude of thy sorceries, wherein thou hast labored from thy youth; if so be thou shalt be able to profit, if so be thou mayest prevail.
[SUP]13 [/SUP] Thou art wearied in the multitude of thy counsels: let now the astrologers, the star-gazers, the monthly prognosticators, stand up, and save thee from the things that shall come upon thee.
[SUP]14 [/SUP] Behold, they shall be as stubble; the fire shall burn them; they shall not deliver themselves from the power of the flame: it shall not be a coal to warm at, nor a fire to sit before.

 

[miktre]

1 Thessalonians 5:22 (KJV)
[SUP]22 [/SUP] Abstain from all appearance of evil.

Numerology is an cult practice associated with astrology: Free Numerology Readings - Astrology.com

Isaiah 47:10-14 (ASV)
[SUP]10 [/SUP] For thou hast trusted in thy wickedness; thou hast said, None seeth me; thy wisdom and thy knowledge, it hath perverted thee, and thou hast said in thy heart, I am, and there is none else besides me.
[SUP]11 [/SUP] Therefore shall evil come upon thee; thou shalt not know the dawning thereof: and mischief shall fall upon thee; thou shalt not be able to put it away: and desolation shall come upon thee suddenly, which thou knowest not.
[SUP]12 [/SUP] Stand now with thine enchantments, and with the multitude of thy sorceries, wherein thou hast labored from thy youth; if so be thou shalt be able to profit, if so be thou mayest prevail.
[SUP]13 [/SUP] Thou art wearied in the multitude of thy counsels: let now the astrologers, the star-gazers, the monthly prognosticators, stand up, and save thee from the things that shall come upon thee.
[SUP]14 [/SUP] Behold, they shall be as stubble; the fire shall burn them; they shall not deliver themselves from the power of the flame: it shall not be a coal to warm at, nor a fire to sit before.

I do abstain from all appearance of evil, you might as well be telling God that for puting the numbers in the Bible in the first place. As for abstaining from all appearance of evil, you are a hypocrite since you use the heart symbol in your avatar and use perverted versions of the Bible like the NKJV that have occult symbolism all over it.

PEDOPHILE SYMBOLS AND CODES: An Update

 

[VCO]

I do abstain from all appearance of evil, you might as well be telling God that for puting the numbers in the Bible in the first place. As for abstaining from all appearance of evil, you are a hypocrite since you use the heart symbol in your avatar and use perverted versions of the Bible like the NKJV that have occult symbolism all over it.

Yet another KJV ONLY believer, I assume. Do you really believe the KJV was Inspired? And Now you even think love for Country is not in the Bible. I take it you did not serve in the Military? As He said, "Give unto Caesar that which is Caesar's." That certainly includes Military Service and Patriotism. Patriotism certainly is Biblical.

John 3:16 (ASV)
[SUP]16 [/SUP]For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth on him should not perish, but have eternal life.

Luke 13:34 (NKJV)
[SUP]34 [/SUP]"O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, the one who kills the prophets and stones those who are sent to her! How often I wanted to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her brood under her wings, but you were not willing!

1 Chronicles 21:5 (HCSB)
[SUP]5 [/SUP] Joab gave the total troop registration to David. In all Israel there were 1,100,000 swordsmen and in Judah itself 470,000 swordsmen. {Even the Draft is Biblical}

Psalm 33:12 (ASV)
[SUP]12 [/SUP] Blessed is the nation whose God is Jehovah, The people whom he hath chosen for his own inheritance.

Psalm 106:5 (ESV)
[SUP]5 [/SUP] that I may look upon the prosperity of your chosen ones, that I may rejoice in the gladness of your nation, that I may glory with your inheritance.

Luke 7:5 (NASB)
[SUP]5 [/SUP] for he loves our nation and it was he who built us our synagogue."


AS FOR SYMBOLS, they come and go, BUT THEY MEAN what the current user MEANS by them, NOT what ancient people meant by them in the dead past. So NELSON Publishing used the CHRISTIAN TRIQUETRA to symbolize their belief in the HOLY TRINITY.

There are many symbols of the trinity in Christianity. The Triquetra is a three-part interlocking fish symbol that symbolizes the Christian Trinity.

http://christianity.about.com/od/symbolspictures/ig/Christian-Symbols-Glossary/Trinity--Triquetra-.htm

Now since the fish symbol and the cross symbol have also been used by pagans, are you going condemn them also? And are your going to rip the covers off any Bible that uses them because you personally don't approve of the symbols being there.

Here is a KJV with a cross on it, since the pagans used that symbol too, you had better rip the cover off of it: Giant Print Holy Bible King James Version Thomas Nelson Publishers Leatherette | eBay

Here is a KJV with Camo cover on it, I suppose you will rip the cover off it thinking it symbolizes pagan duck hunters: Mossy Oak Ultraslim Bible KJV by Thomas Nelson 2011 Imitation Hardcover 1418546747 | eBay

Oh and you certainly would condemn the Antique Family Bibles of the distant past, with all the symbols in them, including Celtic designs: C1885 Holy Bible Leather Salesman Sample Antique Gustave Dore Victorian Family | eBay

The Triquetra symbol of Christianity ONLY means the HOLY TRINITY, and has been used as such for nearly two hundred years. The KJV Bible that I received at my Lutheran Confirmation when I was between the 8th and 9th grade had that symbol on the binding. So my advise is try to understand the motive and Christian heart of the NELSON Publishers. Also you need to realize that GOD who was powerful enough and holy enough to answer the prayers for Spiritual guidance for the KING JAMES TRANSLATION TEAM, also remained powerful enough and holy enough to answer the prayers for Spiritual guidance of all other Translation Teams who whole heartedly believed in the Holy Trinity. You are talking about YOUR PERSONAL PREFERENCE of Bible Translations. Shame on you for speaking evil of other Translations, who had the same SPIRITUAL GUIDANCE that KJV Translators prayed for too. I have 9 Translations open on my Bible Software "WORDsearch 10", and I have NO problem teaching from any one of them. BECAUSE I know it is what it MEANS by what it says, and NOT the KJV English print on the page that is the WORD of GOD.

 

[miktre]

Yet another KJV ONLY believer, I assume. Do you really believe the KJV was Inspired? And Now you even think love for Country is not in the Bible. I take it you did not serve in the Military? As He said, "Give unto Caesar that which is Caesar's." That certainly includes Military Service and Patriotism. Patriotism certainly is Biblical.

John 3:16 (ASV)
[SUP]16 [/SUP]For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth on him should not perish, but have eternal life.

Luke 13:34 (NKJV)
[SUP]34 [/SUP]"O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, the one who kills the prophets and stones those who are sent to her! How often I wanted to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her brood under her wings, but you were not willing!

1 Chronicles 21:5 (HCSB)
[SUP]5 [/SUP] Joab gave the total troop registration to David. In all Israel there were 1,100,000 swordsmen and in Judah itself 470,000 swordsmen. {Even the Draft is Biblical}

Psalm 33:12 (ASV)
[SUP]12 [/SUP] Blessed is the nation whose God is Jehovah, The people whom he hath chosen for his own inheritance.

Psalm 106:5 (ESV)
[SUP]5 [/SUP] that I may look upon the prosperity of your chosen ones, that I may rejoice in the gladness of your nation, that I may glory with your inheritance.

Luke 7:5 (NASB)
[SUP]5 [/SUP] for he loves our nation and it was he who built us our synagogue."


AS FOR SYMBOLS, they come and go, BUT THEY MEAN what the current user MEANS by them, NOT what ancient people meant by them in the dead past. So NELSON Publishing used the CHRISTIAN TRIQUETRA to symbolize their belief in the HOLY TRINITY.



Now since the fish symbol and the cross symbol have also been used by pagans, are you going condemn them also? And are your going to rip the covers off any Bible that uses them because you personally don't approve of the symbols being there.

Here is a KJV with a cross on it, since the pagans used that symbol too, you had better rip the cover off of it: Giant Print Holy Bible King James Version Thomas Nelson Publishers Leatherette | eBay

Here is a KJV with Camo cover on it, I suppose you will rip the cover off it thinking it symbolizes pagan duck hunters: Mossy Oak Ultraslim Bible KJV by Thomas Nelson 2011 Imitation Hardcover 1418546747 | eBay

Oh and you certainly would condemn the Antique Family Bibles of the distant past, with all the symbols in them, including Celtic designs: C1885 Holy Bible Leather Salesman Sample Antique Gustave Dore Victorian Family | eBay

The Triquetra symbol of Christianity ONLY means the HOLY TRINITY, and has been used as such for nearly two hundred years. The KJV Bible that I received at my Lutheran Confirmation when I was between the 8th and 9th grade had that symbol on the binding. So my advise is try to understand the motive and Christian heart of the NELSON Publishers. Also you need to realize that GOD who was powerful enough and holy enough to answer the prayers for Spiritual guidance for the KING JAMES TRANSLATION TEAM, also remained powerful enough and holy enough to answer the prayers for Spiritual guidance of all other Translation Teams who whole heartedly believed in the Holy Trinity. You are talking about YOUR PERSONAL PREFERENCE of Bible Translations. Shame on you for speaking evil of other Translations, who had the same SPIRITUAL GUIDANCE that KJV Translators prayed for too. I have 9 Translations open on my Bible Software "WORDsearch 10", and I have NO problem teaching from any one of them. BECAUSE I know it is what it MEANS by what it says, and NOT the KJV English print on the page that is the WORD of GOD.

Thomas Nelson publishing is owned by Zondervan who also publishes porn.

Before 1979 when the NKJV came out, Led Zepplin was using this occult symbol on their pagan records:



It's an old occult symbol like the heart you use


Don't be a hypocrite: Abstain from all appearance of evil

Besides you should know this:
Act_17:29 Forasmuch then as we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Godhead is like unto gold, or silver, or stone, graven by art and man's device.