I like to drink.

[homwardbound]

Can I make a small suggestion that one of your limitations is that you don't have the ability to expound the scriptures. What you are doing is eisegesis, not exegesis.

Exegesis and eisegesis are two conflicting approaches in Bible study. Exegesis is the exposition or explanation of a text based on a careful, objective analysis. The word exegesis literally means “to lead out of.” That means that the interpreter is led to his conclusions by following the text.

The opposite approach to Scripture is eisegesis, which is the interpretation of a passage based on a subjective, non-analytical reading. The word eisegesis literally means “to lead into,” which means the interpreter injects his own ideas into the text, making it mean whatever he wants.

Obviously, only exegesis does justice to the text. Eisegesis is a mishandling of the text and often leads to a misinterpretation. Exegesis is concerned with discovering the true meaning of the text, respecting its grammar, syntax, and setting. Eisegesis is concerned only with making a point, even at the expense of the meaning of words.

What was prohibited in 9/10 was not drinking. It was getting drunk. The fact that there was a delineation shows that there is a difference and it is quite wrong to suggest otherwise.

Paul said he refused to let anything have control over him (v12). It was obvious that all things were lawful to him but he was not going to let anything have control over him. If drinking was a problem to him he would have deemed it not to be expedient, bearing in mind that drinking was no different to us drinking water as wine was the standard drink at the meal table.

These verses do not give any hint as to drinking being a sin. It is very obvious that it is referring to getting drunk, so making a case for not drinking from these verses is dishonest.

Sorry you misinterpret me, and it is okay, we all have what we see and a ,ot is useful while some is not
I have things you can not do, and you have things I can not do, together whether right or wrong we can help iron to sharpen iron.
Bottom line it is God that gives the increase to any and all watering and or planting
Have a great day and thanks for your admonishment in your post as to how you see it

 

[cnewsom]

Have you studied up on how many people die as a result of driving a car? Must be a good reason not to drive.

You are comparing an act (driving) that is a necessity of life today to an act that is strictly choice and pleasure (drinking) as if they are the same thing. Sounds like somebody prefers to rationalize their lifestyle choices and then find justification for it afterwards.

You should first shape your habits to fit what you know is right, and then your habits will help you perpetuate that lifestyle. Don't find excuses to do whatever you want to do and then grasp at straws to justify it. Be honest with yourself.

It sounds from some of your other posts that you also subscribe to the belief that being drunk is only considered so after you reach a certain published blood/alcohol content. Every drop of alcohol affects you. Every drop goes through your system and has its affect. Studies have found that a thimble of alcohol placed under the tongue is traceable in blood drawn from the arm in 20 seconds. Drinking and driving is not just about being so drunk you can't hardly walk.

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

who's to say that when Jesus talked about "drinking the fruit of the vine" that He wasn't talking about grape juice?

Jesus said that in the spring of the year; grapes are harvested in the fall. Unrefrigerated grape juice doesn't last very long. Turning grapes into wine was a way of preserving the fall's harvest.

 

[4enlightment]

Jesus said that in the spring of the year; grapes are harvested in the fall. Unrefrigerated grape juice doesn't last very long. Turning grapes into wine was a way of preserving the fall's harvest.

Honey, while appearing to be a liquid, actually has a very low water content. It therefore can keep the growth of water-preferring bacteria at bay. There has been some scientific research indicating that honey creates what is known as a viscous barrier against bacteria and infection. This means that it creates a sticky barrier between itself and other ingredients in the product. This barrier traps bacteria and prevents it from penetrating through to the ingredients that may be liable to spoil with air and water-based bacteria.
Why is Honey Considered a Preservative?

[h=1]Why Are Some Foods Preserved in Vinegar?[/h]

[h=2]Answer[/h]Certain foods are preserved in vinegar in order to deter bacteria or fungi growth. These organisms may result in food poisoning if they develop on these foods. Examples of these foods include: raw vegetables and pickle meat.
Why Are Some Foods Preserved in Vinegar - Ask.com

Jewish "KASHRUT" [hygiene] tradition and law, involves the dehydration of meat for its preservation. The practice of preserving food can be traced to prehistory, when fruits and vegetables were dried, cereal grains were parched, and fish and game were salted and dried. These age-old methods developed very slowly and were purely empirical--fermentation, drying, smoking, and curing with salt being the principal techniques. As the biological causes of food spoilage became better understood, rapid advances followed, and appropriate methods were soon developed for dealing with the causative agents. The requirement in ancient times, and to this day, was to prevent the meat from deteriorating, so that it could be kept long enough, to allow its gradual consumption over a period of time after the slaughter (or sacrifice) of the animal. This basic law , to ensure the hygienic distribution and consumption of the meat, was also a central theme in many other religions. The ritual of sacrifice, and salting, which was the basis for a healthy, life sustaining meat and protein diet, at the same time fulfilled critical physiological needs.
"Sacrificing" and salting meat - the origin of most religions

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

Honey, while appearing to be a liquid, actually has a very low water content. It therefore can keep the growth of water-preferring bacteria at bay. There has been some scientific research indicating that honey creates what is known as a viscous barrier against bacteria and infection. This means that it creates a sticky barrier between itself and other ingredients in the product. This barrier traps bacteria and prevents it from penetrating through to the ingredients that may be liable to spoil with air and water-based bacteria.
Why is Honey Considered a Preservative?

[h=1]Why Are Some Foods Preserved in Vinegar?[/h]

[h=2]Answer[/h]Certain foods are preserved in vinegar in order to deter bacteria or fungi growth. These organisms may result in food poisoning if they develop on these foods. Examples of these foods include: raw vegetables and pickle meat.
Why Are Some Foods Preserved in Vinegar - Ask.com

Jewish "KASHRUT" [hygiene] tradition and law, involves the dehydration of meat for its preservation. The practice of preserving food can be traced to prehistory, when fruits and vegetables were dried, cereal grains were parched, and fish and game were salted and dried. These age-old methods developed very slowly and were purely empirical--fermentation, drying, smoking, and curing with salt being the principal techniques. As the biological causes of food spoilage became better understood, rapid advances followed, and appropriate methods were soon developed for dealing with the causative agents. The requirement in ancient times, and to this day, was to prevent the meat from deteriorating, so that it could be kept long enough, to allow its gradual consumption over a period of time after the slaughter (or sacrifice) of the animal. This basic law , to ensure the hygienic distribution and consumption of the meat, was also a central theme in many other religions. The ritual of sacrifice, and salting, which was the basis for a healthy, life sustaining meat and protein diet, at the same time fulfilled critical physiological needs.
"Sacrificing" and salting meat - the origin of most religions

Well that's true. Grapes would have been preserved as raisins. But it's silly to think that they also weren't preserved as wine.

 

[2Tim3vs16]

Who said you smoked? Don't be a Dope.

I was speaking of whatever an individuals personal weakness is, doesn't mean it's the same for everyone. You may be a liar, that doesn't mean everyone struggles with being honest; You might be sexually active and not married, that doesn't mean that everyone has a weakness with Fornication; You may have a weakness for over drinking or enjoying your prescribed medications a little too much, that doesn't mean that everyone has a weakness with alcohol and drugs. You may have a weakness for selfishness, that doesn't mean everyone is greedy.

I know the medical evidence. I've done A LOT of research on it's history. I've also taken the time to research the sort of toxins the FDA allows for consumption as well. I am not an ignorant consumer and I know propaganda when I see it. Therefore, I make informed choices with the realization that nothing is perfect on earth. You can't judge people for the way they seek to heal illness and cope with pain.

Do you drink alcohol? How do you judge that with it's extensive track record for addiction abuse? I like in a small neighborhood and I counted nine sources for alcohol within a block and a half. That seems excessive to me. Especially, when there are so many children going to school so close by.
Propaganda is started when someone takes it to the next level to incite intolerance for people exercising their freedom. I could easily make a case that when people drink alcohol they become sexually lustful and out of control. A drunk person coming out of a neighborhood bar will probably be inclined to rape someone passing by.... Or they'll start hanging out at schools that are close to bars and places that sell alcohol.' All people who drink wine are "Winos"; all beer drinkers are lazy couch potatoes; all people who drink soda and coffee are Caffeine Addicts, who are likely to go off in fits of anger and road rage....Does that sound right or does that sound like propaganda?

The struggle is doing the right thing for the right reasons. It seems to be a struggle to not give ourselves the liberty to judge others for the choices they make.

 

[Gjolll]

Who said you smoked? Don't be a Dope.

Dope, not Islam, drove Lee Rigby's killers

Back in May, I pointed out that at least one of the Woolwich killers had wrecked his brain with cannabis from an early age.

Now we know that both of them had done so.

My point was this – that the murderers of Fusilier Lee Rigby were among the large number of British criminals sent mad by this terrible drug.


Michael Adebolajo and Michael Adebowale both acted like drugged madmen on the day of the killing. For instance, Cheralee Armstrong said in a statement read in court on December 2 that Adebowale ‘looked mad, like he’d escaped from a mental hospital’.

We now know that, for a week before the murder, Adebolajo was living in a house where there was a cannabis farm. Both men were habitual users of cannabis, and had been since their teens. The correlation between the use of this drug and severe, irreversible mental illness is very strong, especially in the young.

Many violent criminals, most of them having nothing to do with politics or Islam, are long-term cannabis users.

The important element in this case is not the religion. It is the dope.

Many young men become militant Muslims but never kill. Many young men never embrace any religion, but take to skunk and become mad and violent. What, then should we be worrying about more? Skunk? Or Militant Islam?

But cannabis has so many friends and secret users in the political, legal, and media establishment that this crucial connection is repeatedly ignored.

Rather than indulge in secret police fantasies about somehow guarding against ‘extremism’, we should treat cannabis as the menace it is, and severely punish all those found in possession of it.

Dailymail

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

Dope, not Islam, drove Lee Rigby's killers

Back in May, I pointed out that at least one of the Woolwich killers had wrecked his brain with cannabis from an early age.

Now we know that both of them had done so.

My point was this – that the murderers of Fusilier Lee Rigby were among the large number of British criminals sent mad by this terrible drug.
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Michael Adebolajo and Michael Adebowale both acted like drugged madmen on the day of the killing. For instance, Cheralee Armstrong said in a statement read in court on December 2 that Adebowale ‘looked mad, like he’d escaped from a mental hospital’.

We now know that, for a week before the murder, Adebolajo was living in a house where there was a cannabis farm. Both men were habitual users of cannabis, and had been since their teens. The correlation between the use of this drug and severe, irreversible mental illness is very strong, especially in the young.

Many violent criminals, most of them having nothing to do with politics or Islam, are long-term cannabis users.

The important element in this case is not the religion. It is the dope.

Many young men become militant Muslims but never kill. Many young men never embrace any religion, but take to skunk and become mad and violent. What, then should we be worrying about more? Skunk? Or Militant Islam?

But cannabis has so many friends and secret users in the political, legal, and media establishment that this crucial connection is repeatedly ignored.

Rather than indulge in secret police fantasies about somehow guarding against ‘extremism’, we should treat cannabis as the menace it is, and severely punish all those found in possession of it.

Dailymail

This is some of the silliest stuff I've heard. Shades of Reefer Madness.

 

[Gjolll]

This is some of the silliest stuff I've heard. Shades of Reefer Madness.

Man killed in cold blood by zombie killers hooked on dope and you say "no connection?"

You're living in cloud cuckoo-land. Go bury your head in the sand then. Peter Hitchens has studied and commented on drug use for many years.

 

[mustaphadrink]

Have a great day and thanks for your admonishment in your post as to how you see it

But that is not how I see it. That is how the scripture sees it. And you are still shouting.

 

[mustaphadrink]

You are comparing an act (driving) that is a necessity of life today to an act that is strictly choice and pleasure (drinking) as if they are the same thing. Sounds like somebody prefers to rationalize their lifestyle choices and then find justification for it afterwards.

What I was doing and you failed to understand was to make a comparison to illustrate the point which was that what you do with something that makes it good or bad.

You should first shape your habits to fit what you know is right, and then your habits will help you perpetuate that lifestyle. Don't find excuses to do whatever you want to do and then grasp at straws to justify it. Be honest with yourself.

What I was doing but you failed to understand it was that I was being honest with myself in that I did not let interpretations of scripture dictate what I knew to be the truth and contrary to what was being said. I don't need to find excuses or grasp at straws. My passion for the truth does not allow me to do that.

It sounds from some of your other posts that you also subscribe to the belief that being drunk is only considered so after you reach a certain published blood/alcohol content

. Like the previous two comments, you have read into what I wrote something that is not there.

Every drop of alcohol affects you

.I never said it didn't.

Studies have found that a thimble of alcohol placed under the tongue is traceable in blood drawn from the arm in 20 seconds.

But it not going to make you drunk.

Drinking and driving is not just about being so drunk you can't hardly walk

.I never said it was. Above .05 is illegal.

 

[homwardbound]

But that is not how I see it. That is how the scripture sees it. And you are still shouting.

I am chuckling, chuckling and chuckling more and more. Have it your way I am okay with that and yet as God does I do too, just love you deeply, deeper that you might realize and that is okay too
Love from God through me to you unconditionally.

 

[just-me]

Have I sinned by drinking? If so, write it in my heart, lead me to repentance, and guide me by scripture to be whole by virtues.

I drink a class of wine most every day. I don't get drunk. There is a difference.

Exodus 29:40 (KJV)
[SUP]40 [/SUP]And with the one lamb a tenth deal of flour mingled with the fourth part of an hin of beaten oil; and the fourth part of an hin of wine for a drink offering.

1 Timothy 5:23 (KJV)
[SUP]23 [/SUP]Drink no longer water, but use a little wine for thy stomach's sake and thine often infirmities.

Proverbs 20:1 (KJV)
[SUP]1 [/SUP]Wine is a mocker, strong drink is raging: and whosoever is deceived thereby is not wise.

Ephesians 5:18-20 (KJV)
[SUP]18 [/SUP]And be not drunk with wine, wherein is excess; but be filled with the Spirit;
[SUP]19 [/SUP]Speaking to yourselves in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing and making melody in your heart to the Lord;
[SUP]20 [/SUP]Giving thanks always for all things unto God and the Father in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ;

 

[john832]

Jesus said that in the spring of the year; grapes are harvested in the fall. Unrefrigerated grape juice doesn't last very long. Turning grapes into wine was a way of preserving the fall's harvest.

Exactly. Furthermore, the word oinos cannot mean grape juice.

 

[mustaphadrink]

I am chuckling, chuckling and chuckling more and more. Have it your way I am okay with that and yet as God does I do too, just love you deeply, deeper that you might realize and that is okay too Love from God through me to you unconditionally.

If that is the case, perhaps you can stop shouting as I and others do not see that as loving.

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

Man killed in cold blood by zombie killers hooked on dope and you say "no connection?"

You're living in cloud cuckoo-land. Go bury your head in the sand then. Peter Hitchens has studied and commented on drug use for many years.

Sorry, no connection. I know a lot of people who smoke, and they are very mellow. Those muslims were under the violent influence of something other than pot.

Reefer Madness for those who haven't seen it.

[video=youtube;Azf320JDdqU]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Azf320JDdqU[/video]

 

[Karraster]

Sorry, no connection. I know a lot of people who smoke, and they are very mellow/QUOTE]

This explains a lot.

 

[Apostol2013]

I personally don't drink I used to drink but was told by God not to have anymore strong drink or speak filthyness from my mouth the I should be consecrated separated for His glory I obey ..

 

[Gjolll]

Sorry, no connection. I know a lot of people who smoke, and they are very mellow. Those muslims were under the violent influence of something other than pot.

Reefer Madness for those who haven't seen it.

[video=youtube;Azf320JDdqU]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Azf320JDdqU[/video]

The issue is with your blanket denial that there's anything wrong with dope.

It's just simply not true. It's a really silly position to take. There is a proven link between adolescent dope smoking and mental illness.

The same applies with alcohol. There exists young people today, especially women, who have literally destroyed their bodies through excessive alcohol drinking by an early age due to liver cirrhosis
'Liver cirrhosis from binge drinking made me look pregnant' | Mail Online

The binge drinking girl who suffered liver failure at just 14 | Mail Online


Pointing to elderly alcoholics and saying, "they drink the same quantity with no ill effects" is just to change the argument. Older people can absorb more poisons in their body.

 

[homwardbound]

If that is the case, perhaps you can stop shouting as I and others do not see that as loving.

please tell me how is it that I am shouting. There are no facial expressions here. No hearing here.
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