Can you love your enemy
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The devil has many names
[h=3]Ezekiel 28[/h]King James Version (KJV)
1 The word of the Lord came again unto me, saying,
2 Son of man, say unto the prince of Tyrus, Thus saith the Lord God; Because thine heart is lifted up, and thou hast said, I am a God, I sit in the seat of God, in the midst of the seas; yet thou art a man, and not God, though thou set thine heart as the heart of God:
3 Behold, thou art wiser than Daniel; there is no secret that they can hide from thee:
4 With thy wisdom and with thine understanding thou hast gotten thee riches, and hast gotten gold and silver into thy treasures:
5 By thy great wisdom and by thy traffick hast thou increased thy riches, and thine heart is lifted up because of thy riches:
6 Therefore thus saith the Lord God; Because thou hast set thine heart as the heart of God;
7 Behold, therefore I will bring strangers upon thee, the terrible of the nations: and they shall draw their swords against the beauty of thy wisdom, and they shall defile thy brightness.
8 They shall bring thee down to the pit, and thou shalt die the deaths of them that are slain in the midst of the seas.
9 Wilt thou yet say before him that slayeth thee, I am God? but thou shalt be a man, and no God, in the hand of him that slayeth thee.
10 Thou shalt die the deaths of the uncircumcised by the hand of strangers: for I have spoken it, saith the Lord God.
More names for the devil
[h=3]Ezekiel 28[/h]
11 Moreover the word of the Lord came unto me, saying,
12 Son of man, take up a lamentation upon the king of Tyrus, and say unto him, Thus saith the Lord God; Thou sealest up the sum, full of wisdom, and perfect in beauty.
13 Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God; every precious stone was thy covering, the sardius, topaz, and the diamond, the beryl, the onyx, and the jasper, the sapphire, the emerald, and the carbuncle, and gold: the workmanship of thy tabrets and of thy pipes was prepared in thee in the day that thou wast created.
14 Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire.
15 Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee.
16 By the multitude of thy merchandise they have filled the midst of thee with violence, and thou hast sinned: therefore I will cast thee as profane out of the mountain of God: and I will destroy thee, O covering cherub, from the midst of the stones of fire.
17 Thine heart was lifted up because of thy beauty, thou hast corrupted thy wisdom by reason of thy brightness: I will cast thee to the ground, I will lay thee before kings, that they may behold thee.
18 Thou hast defiled thy sanctuaries by the multitude of thine iniquities, by the iniquity of thy traffick; therefore will I bring forth a fire from the midst of thee, it shall devour thee, and I will bring thee to ashes upon the earth in the sight of all them that behold thee.
19 All they that know thee among the people shall be astonished at thee: thou shalt be a terror, and never shalt thou be any more.
[h=3]Ezekiel 28[/h]
11 Moreover the word of the Lord came unto me, saying,
12 Son of man, take up a lamentation upon the king of Tyrus, and say unto him, Thus saith the Lord God; Thou sealest up the sum, full of wisdom, and perfect in beauty.
13 Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God; every precious stone was thy covering, the sardius, topaz, and the diamond, the beryl, the onyx, and the jasper, the sapphire, the emerald, and the carbuncle, and gold: the workmanship of thy tabrets and of thy pipes was prepared in thee in the day that thou wast created.
14 Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire.
15 Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee.
16 By the multitude of thy merchandise they have filled the midst of thee with violence, and thou hast sinned: therefore I will cast thee as profane out of the mountain of God: and I will destroy thee, O covering cherub, from the midst of the stones of fire.
17 Thine heart was lifted up because of thy beauty, thou hast corrupted thy wisdom by reason of thy brightness: I will cast thee to the ground, I will lay thee before kings, that they may behold thee.
18 Thou hast defiled thy sanctuaries by the multitude of thine iniquities, by the iniquity of thy traffick; therefore will I bring forth a fire from the midst of thee, it shall devour thee, and I will bring thee to ashes upon the earth in the sight of all them that behold thee.
19 All they that know thee among the people shall be astonished at thee: thou shalt be a terror, and never shalt thou be any more.
C
In response to:
You replied:
Not quite understanding the connection.
evil = to do harm
wicked = one who does evil
sinner = one who does evil
You corrected that and said: what God thinks [is] evil and is Love.
I agree that evil thoughts is also evil...sinful...contrary to God's will...
Yes, God is Love and thinks no evil......
evil = harmful....hurt....ill...
Hatred destroys....ask the Jews, ask Jesus......
So, are you saying that God does not hate, seeing that hate destroys?
You replied:
wow you are a tough cookie okayyy pleas explain this
1 John 4:8
King James Version (KJV)
8 He that loveth not knoweth not God; for God is love.
1 Corinthians 13:5Doth not behave itself unseemly, seeketh not her own, is not easily provoked, thinketh no evil;
God is love and think no evil right
okayyy here is something else to think about
Jeremiah 18:6-8
King James Version (KJV)
6 O house of Israel, cannot I do with you as this potter? saith the Lord. Behold, as the clay is in the potter's hand, so are ye in mine hand, O house of Israel.
7 At what instant I shall speak concerning a nation, and concerning a kingdom, to pluck up, and to pull down, and to destroy it;
8 If that nation, against whom I have pronounced, turn from their evil, I will repent of the evil that I thought to do unto them.
what God thinks evil and is Love
1 John 4:8
King James Version (KJV)
8 He that loveth not knoweth not God; for God is love.
1 Corinthians 13:5Doth not behave itself unseemly, seeketh not her own, is not easily provoked, thinketh no evil;
God is love and think no evil right
okayyy here is something else to think about
Jeremiah 18:6-8
King James Version (KJV)
6 O house of Israel, cannot I do with you as this potter? saith the Lord. Behold, as the clay is in the potter's hand, so are ye in mine hand, O house of Israel.
7 At what instant I shall speak concerning a nation, and concerning a kingdom, to pluck up, and to pull down, and to destroy it;
8 If that nation, against whom I have pronounced, turn from their evil, I will repent of the evil that I thought to do unto them.
what God thinks evil and is Love
evil = to do harm
wicked = one who does evil
sinner = one who does evil
You corrected that and said: what God thinks [is] evil and is Love.
I agree that evil thoughts is also evil...sinful...contrary to God's will...
Yes, God is Love and thinks no evil......
evil = harmful....hurt....ill...
Hatred destroys....ask the Jews, ask Jesus......
So, are you saying that God does not hate, seeing that hate destroys?
C
If I said that I do not see the connection, then I DO NOT see the connection. I am a little more mature than that, Daniel.
You are now saying that not only does God hate, but that He also thinks evil.
What is the logical conclusion of saying that God hates and thinks evil:
1) If His eyes are to pure to even look upon sin, how can He think evil? You would yet say that He does think evil and therefore, saying that God would judge us for the evil we do, yet He Himself will do what He commands us not to do because it is contrary to His will. Don't you see how you are making God out to be a two-faced hypocrite?
2) You say that God hates, yet He commands us to love and not to hate. Yet again, you are making God a two-faced hypocrite. Take the time to think what you are saying concerning God and how He commands us to do one thing while He yet does another.
3) You have made God no better in nature than a human. You say that He hates the person who goes against His will. Yet, in His perfect Love, He lets the sun rise on both the evil and the good. He lets the rain fall on the unjust and the just. There is no partiality in His Love. You are making His love darkened to the extent that a human could love better than Him.
Ponder this from the very mouth of the Lord Jesus Christ:
Do you dare to tell us that Jesus would say something that He Himself will not uphold?
He says to love your enemy. You say to hate them. Who to believe?
He says to not curse your enemy. You have said to curse them. Who to believe?
What reward will you have if you love only those who love you? How could God be justified in having judged those publicans
as acting contrary to God's will?
You have already said that God hates, He thinks evil. What will you say next?
You are now saying that not only does God hate, but that He also thinks evil.
What is the logical conclusion of saying that God hates and thinks evil:
1) If His eyes are to pure to even look upon sin, how can He think evil? You would yet say that He does think evil and therefore, saying that God would judge us for the evil we do, yet He Himself will do what He commands us not to do because it is contrary to His will. Don't you see how you are making God out to be a two-faced hypocrite?
2) You say that God hates, yet He commands us to love and not to hate. Yet again, you are making God a two-faced hypocrite. Take the time to think what you are saying concerning God and how He commands us to do one thing while He yet does another.
3) You have made God no better in nature than a human. You say that He hates the person who goes against His will. Yet, in His perfect Love, He lets the sun rise on both the evil and the good. He lets the rain fall on the unjust and the just. There is no partiality in His Love. You are making His love darkened to the extent that a human could love better than Him.
Ponder this from the very mouth of the Lord Jesus Christ:
Mat 5:43 Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy. But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you; That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust. For if ye love them which love you, what reward have ye? do not even the publicans the same? And if ye salute your brethren only, what do ye more than others? do not even the publicans so? Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.
Do you dare to tell us that Jesus would say something that He Himself will not uphold?
He says to love your enemy. You say to hate them. Who to believe?
He says to not curse your enemy. You have said to curse them. Who to believe?
What reward will you have if you love only those who love you? How could God be justified in having judged those publicans
as acting contrary to God's will?
You have already said that God hates, He thinks evil. What will you say next?
Deuteronomy 32:39See now that I, even I, am he, and there is no god with me: I kill, and I make alive; I wound, and I heal: neither is there any that can deliver out of my hand.
Deuteronomy 7:15And the Lord will take away from thee all sickness, and will put none of the evil diseases of Egypt, which thou knowest, upon thee; but will lay them upon all them that hate thee.
- 1 Samuel 16:15And Saul's servants said unto him, Behold now, an evil spirit from God troubleth thee.
- 1 Samuel 16:16Let our lord now command thy servants, which are before thee, to seek out a man, who is a cunning player on an harp: and it shall come to pass, when theevil spirit from God is upon thee, that he shall play with his hand, and thou shalt be well
Jeremiah 16:10And it shall come to pass, when thou shalt shew this people all these words, and they shall say unto thee, Wherefore hath the Lord pronounced all this great evil against us? or what is our iniquity? or what is our sin that we havecommitted against the Lord our God?
Jeremiah 18:11Now therefore go to, speak to the men of Judah, and to the inhabitants of Jerusalem, saying, Thus saith the Lord; Behold, I frame evil against you, and devise a device against you: return ye now every one from his evil way, and make your ways and your doings good.
C
Just so there's no misunderstanding I was asking the question not saying Lucifer must not be Satan.
That said, from what I read from Ezekiel, he's Hiram and was just a king.
From what I read from Job, 2 Sam, 1 Kings & 1 Chronicles, God's in control of Satan who was among His holy assembly.
That said, from what I read from Ezekiel, he's Hiram and was just a king.
From what I read from Job, 2 Sam, 1 Kings & 1 Chronicles, God's in control of Satan who was among His holy assembly.
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C
Yes....All authority over live and death is in His hands. But, does that mean that He hates, and as was newly introduced by another, think evil?
Where you answering the last question of, "You have already said that God hates, He thinks evil. What will you say next?" Did you add to that list with, He kills?
So now, we are at the point of a humanistic God who hates, thinks evil, and kills. Do you think He would be justified in judging those who do the same thing?
Let us look at the Sovereignty of God:
God can bring death to anyone, but He is not a killer.
God can love others less, but He is not the Originator of hate (opposite of Love), seeing that He is Love.
God does not think evil, but He permits evil (harm) to come to the wicked. Did you know that evil has 'hurt/harm' as its pinnacle definition? Did you know that God did not create evil during Creation, but that He can cause destruction.
What can now be added to that list?
Where you answering the last question of, "You have already said that God hates, He thinks evil. What will you say next?" Did you add to that list with, He kills?
So now, we are at the point of a humanistic God who hates, thinks evil, and kills. Do you think He would be justified in judging those who do the same thing?
Let us look at the Sovereignty of God:
God can bring death to anyone, but He is not a killer.
God can love others less, but He is not the Originator of hate (opposite of Love), seeing that He is Love.
God does not think evil, but He permits evil (harm) to come to the wicked. Did you know that evil has 'hurt/harm' as its pinnacle definition? Did you know that God did not create evil during Creation, but that He can cause destruction.
What can now be added to that list?