There Are Many Scriptures That Disprove The Trinity
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The doctrine of the Trinity means that there is one God who eternally exists as three distinct Persons--the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. Stated differently, God is one in essence and three in person. These definitions express three crucial truths:
(1) The Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are distinct Persons,
(2) each Person is fully God,
(3) there is only one God.
The Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are distinct Persons. The Bible speaks of the Father as God (Phil. 1:2), Jesus as God (Titus 2:13), and the Holy Spirit as God (Acts 5:3-4).
(1) The Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are distinct Persons,
(2) each Person is fully God,
(3) there is only one God.
The Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are distinct Persons. The Bible speaks of the Father as God (Phil. 1:2), Jesus as God (Titus 2:13), and the Holy Spirit as God (Acts 5:3-4).
The earliest scripture found in the Bible on this matter is found in Genesis.
Genesis 2:7
And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and the man became a living soul.
So Yahweh Elohim formed the man's body and breathed into this body his spirit (the breath of life). This scripture is clear that there are 2 parts that make up the soul of man, 1) the body, and 2) the spirit.
Now through the centuries, prophets of God, translators, and scribes have used the terms "soul" and "spirit" interchangeably, and it has caused some confusion, and there are times when body parts are mentioned in an allegorical way that should be taken in that way.. For example in Hebrews 4:12 it says that the word of God is...a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart. Well I look at that statement allegorically, not absolutely. The hearts function as formed by God is to pump blood throughout the body, that's its function, it certainly does not have a mind and will of its own, for if it did, it certainly would sooner or later conflict with the mind and will of the body and cause major problems as the argument takes place, perhaps ending in death. So, I believe that the "soul" = "the body" and "the spirit" as per Genesis 1:7.
I also believe there is a 3rd element and that is the "mind and will" of man. I believe that the "mind and will" are part of the "spirit" that God places into each man sometime in the birth process.
So there are 2 elements that make up the "soul of man", "the body" and "the spirit" (including our mind and will)
Genesis 2:7
And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and the man became a living soul.
So Yahweh Elohim formed the man's body and breathed into this body his spirit (the breath of life). This scripture is clear that there are 2 parts that make up the soul of man, 1) the body, and 2) the spirit.
Now through the centuries, prophets of God, translators, and scribes have used the terms "soul" and "spirit" interchangeably, and it has caused some confusion, and there are times when body parts are mentioned in an allegorical way that should be taken in that way.. For example in Hebrews 4:12 it says that the word of God is...a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart. Well I look at that statement allegorically, not absolutely. The hearts function as formed by God is to pump blood throughout the body, that's its function, it certainly does not have a mind and will of its own, for if it did, it certainly would sooner or later conflict with the mind and will of the body and cause major problems as the argument takes place, perhaps ending in death. So, I believe that the "soul" = "the body" and "the spirit" as per Genesis 1:7.
I also believe there is a 3rd element and that is the "mind and will" of man. I believe that the "mind and will" are part of the "spirit" that God places into each man sometime in the birth process.
So there are 2 elements that make up the "soul of man", "the body" and "the spirit" (including our mind and will)
I'm having a hard time believing you actually made the above statement.
The bible never refers the heart as a physical thing that pumps blood though your body. It is not the physical heart the bible is talking about, but the spiritual heart of man. Even as, I believe, Jesus to be the heart of the Father.
Jer 17:9 The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it? Could anyone in their right mind say this about the thumper in your chest?
Think spiritual, not physical.
If the body is part of the soul of man then what happens to the soul when the physical body dies? Jesus did not take His body to hell when He died, it was still in the grave. Notice how Jesus told the man on the other cross, 'Verily I say unto thee, To day shalt thou be with me in paradise.' If His soul was in the grave for three days, how was He in the belly of the earth for those same three days?
Psa 16:10 For thou wilt not leave my soul in hell; neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption.
Mat 10:28 And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.
I hope you can see clearly, the distinct separation between the body and soul, through the above verse in Matthew.
You are not the body and the body is not you. When you leave the body, it will die and fall to the ground as James stated.
Jas 2:26 For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.
Exo 35:21 And they came, every one whose heart stirred him up, and every one whom his spirit made willing, and they brought the LORD'S offering to the work of the tabernacle of the congregation, and for all his service, and for the holy garments. Note the how the heart did the stirring and the man's spirit made him willing. They are separate, with different functions, as well as abilities.
Job 34:14 If he set his heart upon man, if he gather unto himself his spirit and his breath; Also notice the separation between the spirit and breathof man. The word 'breath', is the same word used in Gen 2:7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul. And as you pointed out, the breath of life is the soul of man.
However, I think there is a slight problem with your theory of man being made like God when you include his physical body. When the body dies and decay, the man ceases to be a three part being, as you say we are. Therefore, at best we would onlyhave two parts to our being, no longer made in the likeness of God.
Question, if God is three persons in one, with three minds, wills, and personalities of their own, how are we made in the image of God, after His likeness, having three parts in one person? It would stand to reason, that if we were made like God, we too would have to have three beings in one, rather than three parts, which is not made like God. Logically speaking.
Psa_4:4 Stand in awe, and sin not: commune with your own heart upon your bed, and be still. Selah. Have you ever communed with your heart?
Question, at night when you are in bed asleep, who is talking through you, if the conscious part of you is no longer able to function?
(GNB) While I slept, my heart was awake. I dreamed my lover knocked at the door...
What the world calls, the conscious and subconscious, the bible calls it the soul and heart, respectively.
The bible never refers the heart as a physical thing that pumps blood though your body. It is not the physical heart the bible is talking about, but the spiritual heart of man. Even as, I believe, Jesus to be the heart of the Father.
Jer 17:9 The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it? Could anyone in their right mind say this about the thumper in your chest?
Think spiritual, not physical.
If the body is part of the soul of man then what happens to the soul when the physical body dies? Jesus did not take His body to hell when He died, it was still in the grave. Notice how Jesus told the man on the other cross, 'Verily I say unto thee, To day shalt thou be with me in paradise.' If His soul was in the grave for three days, how was He in the belly of the earth for those same three days?
Psa 16:10 For thou wilt not leave my soul in hell; neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption.
Mat 10:28 And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.
I hope you can see clearly, the distinct separation between the body and soul, through the above verse in Matthew.
You are not the body and the body is not you. When you leave the body, it will die and fall to the ground as James stated.
Jas 2:26 For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.
Exo 35:21 And they came, every one whose heart stirred him up, and every one whom his spirit made willing, and they brought the LORD'S offering to the work of the tabernacle of the congregation, and for all his service, and for the holy garments. Note the how the heart did the stirring and the man's spirit made him willing. They are separate, with different functions, as well as abilities.
Job 34:14 If he set his heart upon man, if he gather unto himself his spirit and his breath; Also notice the separation between the spirit and breathof man. The word 'breath', is the same word used in Gen 2:7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul. And as you pointed out, the breath of life is the soul of man.
However, I think there is a slight problem with your theory of man being made like God when you include his physical body. When the body dies and decay, the man ceases to be a three part being, as you say we are. Therefore, at best we would onlyhave two parts to our being, no longer made in the likeness of God.
Question, if God is three persons in one, with three minds, wills, and personalities of their own, how are we made in the image of God, after His likeness, having three parts in one person? It would stand to reason, that if we were made like God, we too would have to have three beings in one, rather than three parts, which is not made like God. Logically speaking.
Psa_4:4 Stand in awe, and sin not: commune with your own heart upon your bed, and be still. Selah. Have you ever communed with your heart?
Question, at night when you are in bed asleep, who is talking through you, if the conscious part of you is no longer able to function?
(GNB) While I slept, my heart was awake. I dreamed my lover knocked at the door...
What the world calls, the conscious and subconscious, the bible calls it the soul and heart, respectively.
Not sure about this:
God breathed into Adam, man, and man became a living Soul. This was before the fall and before any eating of the tree of evil of the knowledge of good and evil.
Man became aware of the flesh, alive to flesh, knew he was naked and tried to cover that up and went and hid.
Man at that time had not eaten from the tree of life yet (Jesus Christ)
God placed an angel to guard the tree of life, for if man at that time had eaten from it, would have gotten eternal life on the flesh side and been evil for eternity. The Garden was blocked off until the Christ came, died, rose back to life and the Holy Sprit of God came to give life and we can today, those that believe eat freely from the tree of life here today in the Spirit not the flesh.
For he came to give us life not in flesh, rather in Spirit where today is the only way Father is worshiped per John 4:23-24
God breathed into Adam, man, and man became a living Soul. This was before the fall and before any eating of the tree of evil of the knowledge of good and evil.
Man became aware of the flesh, alive to flesh, knew he was naked and tried to cover that up and went and hid.
Man at that time had not eaten from the tree of life yet (Jesus Christ)
God placed an angel to guard the tree of life, for if man at that time had eaten from it, would have gotten eternal life on the flesh side and been evil for eternity. The Garden was blocked off until the Christ came, died, rose back to life and the Holy Sprit of God came to give life and we can today, those that believe eat freely from the tree of life here today in the Spirit not the flesh.
For he came to give us life not in flesh, rather in Spirit where today is the only way Father is worshiped per John 4:23-24
Tree of life is Christ and is where one becomes alive in the Spirit. The tree of death is where man became alive in the flesh. And the soul is alive either way as to what one believes to flesh or the Spirit of God For:
John 10:10 The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly.
John 10:10 The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly.
You're a good egg. 
If there isn't three identities of our Father in heaven, then why does this verse suggest three pure identities?
Isaiah 6:3 (KJV)
[SUP]3 [/SUP]And one cried unto another, and said, Holy, holy, holy, is the LORD of hosts: the whole earth is full of his glory.
The Bible does not disprove the Trinity. It does more to prove it than disprove it. The only reason this thread was started was to prove a religion rather than the truth. I strongly suggest to let this thread fall into oblivion for the sake of the unlearned.
If there isn't three identities of our Father in heaven, then why does this verse suggest three pure identities?
Isaiah 6:3 (KJV)
[SUP]3 [/SUP]And one cried unto another, and said, Holy, holy, holy, is the LORD of hosts: the whole earth is full of his glory.
The Bible does not disprove the Trinity. It does more to prove it than disprove it. The only reason this thread was started was to prove a religion rather than the truth. I strongly suggest to let this thread fall into oblivion for the sake of the unlearned.
You're a good egg.
If there isn't three identities of our Father in heaven, then why does this verse suggest three pure identities?
Isaiah 6:3 (KJV)
[SUP]3 [/SUP]And one cried unto another, and said, Holy, holy, holy, is the LORD of hosts: the whole earth is full of his glory.
The Bible does not disprove the Trinity. It does more to prove it than disprove it. The only reason this thread was started was to prove a religion rather than the truth. I strongly suggest to let this thread fall into oblivion for the sake of the unlearned.
If there isn't three identities of our Father in heaven, then why does this verse suggest three pure identities?
Isaiah 6:3 (KJV)
[SUP]3 [/SUP]And one cried unto another, and said, Holy, holy, holy, is the LORD of hosts: the whole earth is full of his glory.
The Bible does not disprove the Trinity. It does more to prove it than disprove it. The only reason this thread was started was to prove a religion rather than the truth. I strongly suggest to let this thread fall into oblivion for the sake of the unlearned.
How can Jesus be God when he is only a joint-heir of all that God has, divided between Jesus and billions of other worthy children of God? (Romans 8:17) God has everything in the universe, but Jesus was the instrument in God's hand to create everything. Because of this great work with God in the beginning, there is no question that Jesus is Divine and stands next to God in power and authority. But he is still not God. Jesus will receive an inheritance of what God chooses to give him, pretty much like the rest of us who are worthy to receive an inheritance from God. If Jesus were really God, he would not be an heir of anything and he would especially not be a joint-heir with billions of other worthy mortals. It just would not be.
First of all I quoted scipture right from the Bible in Genesis. If you don't believe it that's ok with me. It is just what I believe.
When Jesus died, the body part of his soul was laid to rest in the tomb. The spirit (including his mind and will) part of his soul continued to live, being an eternal entity. As you have said, in the spirit, he first went to *Paradise with the thief on the cross. He then went to preach unto the spirits in *prison (1Peter 3:18-19). The spirits in the spirit prison were those who since the beginning of the earth had died and found themselves in that spirit prison. I believe that he was in prison to preach the gospel, and those who would receive him, and believe on him, would have an opportunity to leave the prison.
Three days later his spirit was reunited with his body and his soul was made whole again and he became a resurrected being, the spirit and body never to be separated again.
* At death our soul is separated, the body lies in the grave and our spirit lives on. The spirit will either enter into a spirit Paradise or a spirit Prison, depending on our deeds done in the flesh. You will remember the story of Lazarus and the rich man. When Lazarus died he went into the bosom of Abraham and was comforted (Paradise). The rich man went to Hell (Prison) and the rich man in his torment called to have Lazarus bring him a drop of water to cool him. Abraham said he could not send Lazarus because there was an impassable gulf between Paradise and Prison. I believe Jesus in effect built a bridge over that gulf and those that believed in him were able to go out of prison and into paradise.
At the time of resurrection our spirits and bodies will reunite and create a whole soul again for ever.
When Jesus died, the body part of his soul was laid to rest in the tomb. The spirit (including his mind and will) part of his soul continued to live, being an eternal entity. As you have said, in the spirit, he first went to *Paradise with the thief on the cross. He then went to preach unto the spirits in *prison (1Peter 3:18-19). The spirits in the spirit prison were those who since the beginning of the earth had died and found themselves in that spirit prison. I believe that he was in prison to preach the gospel, and those who would receive him, and believe on him, would have an opportunity to leave the prison.
Three days later his spirit was reunited with his body and his soul was made whole again and he became a resurrected being, the spirit and body never to be separated again.
* At death our soul is separated, the body lies in the grave and our spirit lives on. The spirit will either enter into a spirit Paradise or a spirit Prison, depending on our deeds done in the flesh. You will remember the story of Lazarus and the rich man. When Lazarus died he went into the bosom of Abraham and was comforted (Paradise). The rich man went to Hell (Prison) and the rich man in his torment called to have Lazarus bring him a drop of water to cool him. Abraham said he could not send Lazarus because there was an impassable gulf between Paradise and Prison. I believe Jesus in effect built a bridge over that gulf and those that believed in him were able to go out of prison and into paradise.
At the time of resurrection our spirits and bodies will reunite and create a whole soul again for ever.
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God the Father is talking about his Son Jesus Christ (who by the way God the Father calls Jesus a God, vs 8)
When God says in vs 9, "therefore God, even thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil......
it is a strong, definite statement by God the Father that He is Jesus's God, even though Jesus is a God too.
When God says in vs 9, "therefore God, even thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil......
it is a strong, definite statement by God the Father that He is Jesus's God, even though Jesus is a God too.
If Jesus is God, why did he utter from the cross, "my God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me." (Mark 15:34) God had to let his son Jesus go through this awful crucifixion by himself, so God abandoned Jesus completely at this time. It is a class A scripture to show their true relationship as separate beings. If Jesus were God, he would not die in the first place, and even if he were, he would not have uttered these words.
As a note of interest: When Jesus called out to God, he called His name. And the name he called his God was Eloi. To make this point the translators actually left the Hebrew words in our English translation, Eloi, Eloi, lama sabachthani, meaning my God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me. The name Eloi is very interesting because it is the singular form of the name Eloihim which is the Hebrew name of God in Genesis chapter 1 that is translated into English as "God".
The name of Jesus is clearly associated with the name of "Yahweh" in the Old Testament. However, many associate the name of "Yahweh" with the Father also. They have to do this to preserve the "one" God motif in the OT. But in Mark 15:34 we can clearly see that Jesus/Yahweh is calling to his God and Jesus is using the name of "Eloi" which is short for "Elohim", a completely different person than Yahweh. Look at the Hebrew and see only Eloihim in Genesis chapter 1 and then see that Eloihim rests in Genesis chapter 2 and another person takes over, and person is Yahweh. Yahweh goes on to form everything in Genesis chapter 2. Then all the way to NT times and on the cross Yahweh/Jesus is calling Eloihim/God and asking why He has abandoned him. Just an interesting side note of this scripture.
As a note of interest: When Jesus called out to God, he called His name. And the name he called his God was Eloi. To make this point the translators actually left the Hebrew words in our English translation, Eloi, Eloi, lama sabachthani, meaning my God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me. The name Eloi is very interesting because it is the singular form of the name Eloihim which is the Hebrew name of God in Genesis chapter 1 that is translated into English as "God".
The name of Jesus is clearly associated with the name of "Yahweh" in the Old Testament. However, many associate the name of "Yahweh" with the Father also. They have to do this to preserve the "one" God motif in the OT. But in Mark 15:34 we can clearly see that Jesus/Yahweh is calling to his God and Jesus is using the name of "Eloi" which is short for "Elohim", a completely different person than Yahweh. Look at the Hebrew and see only Eloihim in Genesis chapter 1 and then see that Eloihim rests in Genesis chapter 2 and another person takes over, and person is Yahweh. Yahweh goes on to form everything in Genesis chapter 2. Then all the way to NT times and on the cross Yahweh/Jesus is calling Eloihim/God and asking why He has abandoned him. Just an interesting side note of this scripture.
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If Jesus is God, then God is not a Spirit. Jesus has a resurrected body of flesh and bone (Luke 24:39 and 41-43) He let his apostles touch his resurrected body and he ate fish and honeycomb to prove to his apostles that he really had a body of flesh and bone. Jesus took this same body to heaven (Acts 1:11) and sits on the right hand of God today, waiting his second coming in which he will return in like manner.
So it is either Jesus is God and God has a body of flesh and bone. or
Jesus is not God and God is a spirit.
You can not have it both ways.
By the way, all people of earth will also be resurrected and have a perfect, powerful, glorious resurrected body just like Jesus has.
(Philippians 3:21) Jesus will take our vile body and fashion it like unto his glorious body. I look forward to that day.
So it is either Jesus is God and God has a body of flesh and bone. or
Jesus is not God and God is a spirit.
You can not have it both ways.
By the way, all people of earth will also be resurrected and have a perfect, powerful, glorious resurrected body just like Jesus has.
(Philippians 3:21) Jesus will take our vile body and fashion it like unto his glorious body. I look forward to that day.